Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Andy Duncan (musician)

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The result was redirect to OK Go. Sandstein 19:01, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Duncan (musician)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Was considering whether this fails as a speedy delete under G12, because the text is identical to that in the one reference provided, but the reference suggests that it is taken from Wikipedia, so we have a circular referencing situation. Either way, there's a complete lack of independent sourcing for this biography. Outside of his work with OK Go, I can find one passing mention in a Wired article [1]. A redirect to OK Go is possible here, but it's already been redirected and recreated once before, and given the large number of other Andy Duncans and Andrew Duncans (he seems to call himself Andrew Scott Duncan now) with Wikipedia pages, I wonder if it's a feasible search term. Richard3120 (talk) 21:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 21:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 21:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

He's listed at OK Go as Andy Duncan, so I think that a redirect to there is appropriate. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 22:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
He would pass as notable if a second notable group of his could be found, using WP:MUSICBIO, but this page is such a mess I'm having trouble honing in on that yet. Redirect, definitely not a deletion, would be appropriate if no luck, or better sources than the two I added can't be found. Am adding a few facts as I find, maybe enough that a merge instead of a simple redirect would work. JamieWhat (talk) 22:19, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~Keep~~ per MUSICBIO, after finding him listed as a full if short-lived member of Frodus as well as OK Go. JamieWhat (talk) 22:29, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

His entire contribution to that band was playing on a non-notable cassette album limited to 1000 copies, but if that's considered enough to pass the "part of two notable bands" criterion, so be it. And was he actually their full-time bassist at any point? There are two bass players listed on that album – it's quite possible that the two main members used two session bass players. There's still so much unreferenced stuff in the article though, it still basically boils down to "he was in OK Go" once you take out everything that still needs a citation. Richard3120 (talk) 22:41, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, I agree his involvement was short-lived, but he is listed as a member. I see that Musicbio clause as existing so we don't have to make one destination for topics would be useful redirecting to several places, so this fits that criteria and it would be useful that way. Concerning content, I'll look around to see if I can find more than those two mentions as well, for sourcing. I'm tempted to remove the old crap for being original research, but useful as a research guide for now.JamieWhat (talk) 22:47, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm skeptical of this keep rationale unless coverage of Duncan's work with Frodus (and other bands that are not OK go) meets GNG on its own terms. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 23:06, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@JamieWhat: where is he listed as a member of Frodus? I agree that he played bass guitar on one of their early albums, but that doesn't make him a band member, especially when there was another bassist involved. The original reference for this article simply states that he "played bass" on the album, not that he was part of the band. Frodus's website and Bandcamp page don't mention him at all in their history of the band. AllMusic doesn't mention him either. The only place that does is Frodus's Wikipedia page, and that's not reliable as a source – the band members section seems to have been compiled from the credits on their various records. Richard3120 (talk) 23:22, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Change vote to merge. I couldn't find diddlysquat in my last round of research. JamieWhat (talk) 22:43, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The above mentioned part of MUSICBIO say a reasonably prominent member, we have no evidence of that for the second band. duffbeerforme (talk) 02:51, 22 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 11:57, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect or Delete OK Go already has the useful info on this person. There is nothing in this bio that could be added to it really apart from maybe the picture. Membership of Frodus doesn't look like much, it looks like they couldn't make up their minds which bass player they wanted. Mattg82 (talk) 17:34, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Mattg82: I should point out that even the picture has now been removed from Wikipedia for copyright reasons. Richard3120 (talk) 22:12, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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