User talk:Mjroots/Archive/Places

Cher communes

Hi, this is just the first phase, in which we make sure each commune has (at least) a stub article. There's more to come, eventually. Markussep ^Talk 18:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Somme is department nr. 80, I'm working on nr. 25 right now, so that will take a while. But you can create Ault, Somme if you like. Markussep ^Talk 22:32, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Ault, Somme

Ault, Somme now exists. It wasn't a redlink because of the dab. Thanks Dickie (talk) 10:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Noyelles-sur-Mer

..now has an entry, if you want to add to it, Thanks Dickie (talk) 14:04, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
and I've added my stuff to your Forest-l'Abbaye changes Dickie (talk) 14:20, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Blackpool

Yes indeed I read it, I've been past the entrance many times, but never seen any pictures of inside before, so it was interesting to read about it's history and see a picture! I wasn't sure if it was notable enough but I suppose a short addition is ok? ♦Tangerines♦·Talk 14:06, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Michigan Logging Wheels

Thanks for catching that red. It went so fast I didn't even notice it. I was just notified that Michigan logging wheels and Silas C. Overpack were selected as a double DYK. Yesterday my new article on the Blue Ridge Parkway tunnels was also selected as a DYK. I believe the Cone sisters also has an excellent chance. Previously their brother Moses H. Cone and his country estate Flat Top Manor with Moses H. Cone Memorial Park were selected as DKYs. Also the adjacant property Julian Price Memorial Park and the owner Julian Price were DYKs. Thanks for all your help on these articles.--Doug ^talk 11:38, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: 50p Building

Thanks for the note. It looks to be up at the moment, congratulations! Espresso Addict (talk) 14:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Waunakee

Congratulations on the resolution of that situation. (But I expect that the issue will return.) --Orlady (talk) 01:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Canterbury

Sorry about that and thank you. I had both Canterbury pages open and was obviously not paying close enough attention to which one I was editing. --Tearanz (talk) 03:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Stanmer Church

Hi Mjroots, and thanks for your note. Unfortunately I didn't get a pic of the wellhouse or donkey wheel when I was down at Stanmer; it's in a bit of an awkward position, and isn't in the best condition at the moment. There's some controversy at the moment about the city council's apparent reluctance to restore it. If I get another chance to go to Stanmer, I'll have another go. (It's rather difficult to get to for non-drivers like me, although there is a summer-weekend-only bus!) Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:15, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Wormshill

Hi. Thanks for the tip about Hasted. I think I've plundered that source already for info on Wormshill but am always keen to hear of more sources. Thanks for stopping by Dick G (talk) 07:38, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Cranbrook

 DoneClemRutter (talk) 10:13, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Tolleshunt Knights

• Apologies, I've replied on my talk page but in case you miss it, I was using AWB so I'm not sure what went wrong. Apologies again.Paste ^Talk 13:10, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

RNAS Grain

Thanks for the suggestion about the Kent group. I may get in touch with them about the location and various establishments on the Isle of Grain, but for aviation input Nigel Ish has taken up the challenge and has already created articles for three of the Port Victoria aircraft. The hole is being plugged! --TraceyR (talk) 21:18, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Middlesbrough

Hi. Well done with all your work on SS Empire Amethyst. I hope you do not mind my pointing out, in case it comes up again, that Middlesbrough is spelt thus, and not Middlesborough, which is in Kentucky. Cheers! DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered (talk) 10:48, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Franks Hall

Hello, I am coming to you directly instead of going to anyone else, because I believe that, under AGF, this is an error and not intentional. The original page was deleted as a copyright violation. This prompted me to see if there was anything still that could be considered such. I noticed a few lines that were too similar for comfort and should be addressed. In particularly:

• From Wiki: "He used the building more like a barn than a house"
• From Reference: "He used the ground floor more as a barn than a house"

Please go through and make sure to change this. If you like the wording, please place it in quotes and attribute it directly. However, wording as in the above would be too similar. I hope this makes sense and I hope you can do this quickly. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:54, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I will check it again later. Just make sure that there isn't any major duplications of phrases, or more than a four or five words in a sentence that looks the same. Accusations of plagiarism are nasty around here and I mostly want to protect you from that headache. Later, I will pass it through, but just make sure to protect yourself. Ottava Rima (talk) 15:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Stansfield

I deleted it because it was an essay about the moral merits of the name "Stansfield". Feel free to tag it. DS (talk) 11:48, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Westerham Brewery

What was wrong with the article as a stand-alone article. The section in the Westerham article says less than the article itself did. Mjroots (talk) 20:51, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I normally put merge to *#* per WP:Company and WP:Breweries when merging a small and problematic brewery article to a new location. The article flagged up on Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer/Cleanup listing, and when I went there I didn't find much of value, so I redirected to the most appropriate place. I like Westerham beers, and considered writing an article on the brewery for either CAMRA or RateBeer shortly after it opened, and Robert Wicks invited me down to have a look around, but then I got too tied up in other matters. However, I wasn't motivated enough when looking at the material to tidy it up and build it into a meaningful article, so I did the quick fix, and redirected it. Also, I am unsure of the notability. I don't feel we should delete it, but I'm not entirely convinced that it's notable enough for a stand-alone. So - redirect for now. See if the material builds, and then split it out from Westerham in WP:Summary style when there is enough meaningful content. SilkTork *^YES! 21:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Lakanal fire

You should find I've sourced all my material. If there's something wrong with the links i've given, please let me know. Jpmaytum (talk) 13:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Wormshill

I think most of the new content is referenced where possible. The only difficulty I see is the statement about disconnecting the phone box. This isn't actually verifiable by print sources yet but will be soon - I have returned to live in the village after a brief spell overseas and noticed an announcement to this effect on the village noticeboard.

As to the East Kent / West Kent division, I had always colloquially understood the line to be that of the River Medway however Hasted referred to the boundaries relevant to the Quarter Sessions and the administration of the two regions - the line of which runs through the village. I'll take out the reference to Men of Kent/Kentish Men as that appears to be separate from the administrative regions of East/West Kent and the demarcation aligned with the Diocese of Rochester. For what it's worth, I am also a Man of Kent. Dick G (talk) 14:34, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Dutch settlement infoboxes

It will be migrated to that presently. Rich Farmbrough, 13:37, 28 September 2009 (UTC).

Hamilton Road Cemetery, Deal, Kent

Thanks for your interest and the advice on referencing for a wikipedia newbie.. I'll ensure this gets sorted in the next week or two :-) Kbaughan1 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:40, 29 September 2009 (UTC).

Thanks for pointing that out. I've corrected the referencing :-) Kbaughan1 (talk) 09:26, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks also for info on citeweb. Looks fiendish, but I'll start converting all the references next week. Cheers! Kbaughan1 (talk) 09:33, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK

Okay, I added it to the prep area for a future DYK update. It was missing the tag to say where the information was from at the point the information is given. Shoemaker's Holiday ^{Over 209 FCs served} 17:38, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Glynde's only female teenager.

As a piece of trivia, it highlights the sheer tininess of the small village of Glynde. For readers looking up the famous Glyndebourne, it is a pretty wonderfull footnote. And I'm fairly confident that it is true. Please do not be so prudish in removing it.

It is interesting to note the allowance of implying an ex-[spunge] member is a member of the BNP as acceptable and relevant, but not something harmless and interesting like this.

I appreciate the good faith given to me and believe me when I say it is not vandalism. I genuinely feel that it helps to give an understanding of the sort of community this village is. It is also worth noting that what you'd consider to be Glynde ends at the station, beyond it is Beddingham. This is the only reason for this claim. If I was to rephrase my addition to become more suitable, would this be fair?

I shall return with a census as proof. We can work out time frames from that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.123.82 (talk) 21:26, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Pix in Listed buildings in Worthing

Hi Mj. My preferred method would be having a 75px or 100px image column in the main table itself (like here) w/ an image for each building. That won't be possible, because a lot of the buildings are on private land or are otherwise very difficult to photograph. Accordingly I've gone for the strip down the side as a compromise. I'm less keen on a gallery, as the images would be collected at the bottom (when they run down the side, they help to break up the block of text in the table a bit) and it might feel like image overload in one place. I'm open to suggestions though ... I can't visualise your ideas, so if you get a moment could you just put something together really quickly in one of my sandboxes? Just copy a few rows from the table and use a few random images, if you like. I'd be interested to see some alternative ideas! You can use this sandbox. Thanks, Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:44, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Problem with an image column within the list is that I won't be able to get pictures for quite a number of the buildings; it wouldn't look great to have lots of blank spaces in the column. Maybe I'll take a look at the gallery idea... Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 12:56, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I'll play around with various possibilities. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 13:21, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Somme edits

Hi, my edits to articles for communes in the Somme department are really minor: I remove an obsolete map of France from the infobox, and as a result the default map of France is used. I didn't add an edit summary out of laziness (it slows down my replacement rate), but I can add "map" if you like. Markussep ^Talk 09:44, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Contributing about aerodromes

Further to your comments in the discussion about Middenmeer_Aerodrome, I finally created a beginning of Former aerodromes of Belgium as a table. I'll be glad to have your comments/suggestions! BTW as you are into mills, make sure to check www.mot.be - and drop me a line if ever you come along! Jan olieslagers (talk) 16:09, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Bradford City Hall

Hi. Thanks for your question. I'm ashamed to say I've never been to Bradford City Hall, even though I wrote the article on it. I'd love to go. I did speak to a local journo who said that it was OK to take photos in there, though. (Some town halls are a bit weird about photos; no-one has told them about panoramafreiheit.) Anyway, what I could do for you is to phone Bradford Council tomorrow and if I'm lucky I'll get some bored employee who would just love to leave their desk and look at the windows. People never look at anything, and you can bet your life someone is working beneath your window day in, day out, and hasn't noticed it. If I forget, keep reminding me until I do it. It would be a fun job to go and photograph it. I need to do a winter photo of Bradford Industrial Museum, anyway - you can't see the jolly thing for trees in summer.--Storye book (talk) 21:09, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Update: I rang Bradford City Hall, and they had not heard of any such memorial window. Someone kindly investigated for me, and they rang back today and said that it's a mistake, and there is no architectural feature such as a memorial window dedicated to this lady. There is a movable installation within the building, incorporating a display dedicated to her and to other local heroes. I'm told that this is in a public place and that I can visit it. I shall photograph that for you when I can - hopefully during the next couple of weeks - but I'm sorry there is no window to photograph. I guess that there is a slight possibility that there may be a memorial window in a church somewhere, and that could explain the error, but I don't know how to investigate that.--Storye book (talk) 11:05, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I've just heard that I may be able to visit the City Hall tomorrow. I'll see what I can do.--Storye book (talk) 12:10, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Update: Just letting you know that because Coronation Street is filming in the building for the next two weeks, it will not be permissible for me to get into the building to see the display which includes B.J. Harrison. The staff have tried to fix it for me today, but cannot. I'll try to do it in two or three weeks' time, though. If I appear to be delaying or forgetting, please kindly give me a reminder. Thanks.--Storye book (talk) 10:42, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Churches in Friesland

I’am pretty sure they all are but the website is kinda slow and searching seems difficult somehow on my pc. So I won’t be adding the numbers.(at least for now). Pindanl (talk) 15:13, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Tudeley and treacle

Hi there.

The problem with the treacle mine entry is that although it is amusing it does not add much to the general content of the page.

If you were to expand the Tudeley article to include a lot more information about the place, and then add your (quite amusing) treacle mine ref for good measure I would have no problem.

But when the article is just 120-odd words in length, to devote 10% of them to treacle mines seems disproportionate to me.

Best wishes

TT20 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tishtosh20 (talk • contribs) 15:12, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Hamilton Road Cemetery

Hiya,

No, I didn't..what a time to be on holiday and not see the 'frickin' article on BBC! Thankfully they've posted the piece on the web. As far as I know, they think, with some justification, that it's a D017, but there doesn't appear to be a definite identification of it being THE D017 in my article, although the circumstantial evidence seems strong. Being local, I'm hoping to talk to the guys featured and see if I can find out some specifics. I'll pass on what I can but as this would constitute original research, I guess I can only point interested readers to other external content like the BBC Kent page :-( Bummer! Kbaughan1 (talk) 22:19, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

List of museums in Kent

Hi, thank you for adding to the list, but I am working on it as well and we seem to be overlapping. Please leave the type "mill" for all grinding mills, including windmills and watermills, as this is the category name for Category:Mill museums in England. The type of mill can be noted in the summary. Also, Down House is located Downe in what is now the London Borough of Bromley and is not considered to be in Kent. I will continue to update the museum listings with complete information. Jllm06 (talk) 20:21, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Hobart 2020 Bid

So please allow me to clear something up. It is ok for other users to edit pages with no knowledge at all of the material that is posted on the page, yet when somebody with the knowledge edits it with relevant sources to back the information up, it gets deleted and that is ok with that user then being threatened? The information on the 2020 Summer Olympics page was vandalised by somebody claiming it to be an April Fools joke then it was removed completely due to this (check the edits) and then it is falsely claimed by another user to be illegitame and 'not taken seriously' despite the obvious references to it being a legitimate bid? Brisbane has no intent to bid for the 2020 Olympics yet it remains on the page, so tell me, where is the fairness in this involved?

NYC 55david (talk) 12:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I suggest you get your facts right NYC 55david! I never said it was an April Fools joke nor did I vandalise the article, I also have given you a very good reason in the edit summary why it shouldn't be added and I have better things to do then reverting self promotional crap. Bidgee (talk) 14:33, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

(Posted also to Australia and Tasmania project talk pages)

Ahah legitimacy - a few people in Tasmania are capable of creating a semblance of legitimacy by having a web page presence, facebook page and a few newspaper articles on an item - I would suggest information is never particularly straight forward - the actual proposal was in fact an april fools joke (the state of Tasmania has less than 500.000 population - the prospect of an isolated state on the outer side of the planet being capable of attracting either the money, facility or infrastructure for such a bid is close to absurd) - to give credence to the gullible - facebook, and newspaper cites alone may look 'good' and 'valid' - but ahh, I used to live in a part of Tasmania that had the marvellous total population of less then 5,000 people at any one time in the last 50 years.

The interesting thing is it did start out as a joke - see http://www.gamesbids.com/eng/olympic_bids/future_bids_2016/1216135135.html - and like chinese whispers and good media stories that run beyond the original intent and take on a life of their own - there are people who move it up a rung to try to keep the story going - I would suggest that any inclusion of such an item needs to be qualified specifically as to what it started out as - and that the probability of anyone in Australia being prepared to support the bid as being next not nothing and not even something a betting person could even start to make odds on - Tasmanians cannot even vote on a clear majority government Tasmanian state election, 2010 due to the Hare-Clark voting system, I suspect they will be preoccupied with many other things other than finding the finance for Olympic bids in the near future SatuSuro 13:52, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

B&H template

Stations: tempting, but people might think I'd gone mad! I decided to keep them in the other Brighton and Hove template (Template:Brighton and Hove) because their transport function is more relevant than their status as a building (although Portslade is, admittedly, Grade II-listed). All the redlinks should fill up over the next few weeks, all being well! Cheers, Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 17:11, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Tsk, I misread my source... thanks for spotting that! Maybe I was subconsciously thinking about my local windmill, which I visited on Sunday... Incidentally, the New Encyclopaedia of Brighton (just published, hence my rush of Brighton-ish articles) identifies almost 20 past and present mills in the present city area. Could be worth a "Windmills in Brighton and Hove"-type article in future, so look out for that (if I ever get a chance!). Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 18:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Spitsbergen, yet again

Hello, it’s this again. The RfC has gone quiet, and I’m not sure how these things are supposed to resolve, so I’ve been bold and posted the draft section.
I’m mindful I didn’t acknowledge your comment on the sandbox draft; were you suggesting that Spitzbergen is currently a common alternative spelling, or that it has been in the past? If the first, I’d agree, personally, but I get the impression it’s a minority opinion, so for the sake of neutrality I left it out. If the second, I’d hoped I’d said that by saying Sp z "became the English spelling thereafter", but I can firm it up.
Anyway, we shall see what happens...Xyl 54 (talk) 23:54, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

This seems to have flared up again; your input would be appreciated. Xyl 54 (talk) 13:15, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Re: Panchkhal

What? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 21:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I consulted the original source, and it verified what you predicted. Thanks for pointing that out. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 22:04, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Mediterranean location map

Hi. You'll be pleased to know I've created Template:Location map Mediterranean. I envisage this map being used on naval battles/Roman/Ancient battle marker locations and shipwrecks in the Mediterraean. Please introduce it to articles. Dr. Blofeld 18:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Paddlesworth

I think its OK at present - but worth putting it on your watchlist please.— Rod ^talk 10:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Wormshill

Hi, and sorry I had to revert your edit with the geobox. Easy to miss these things when scrolling through. No harm done though. As for the template, I think it may be a little too involved for somewhere as small as Wormshill. I'm pretty sure it's not a high-traffic page and the related content links probably don't need to be collated in a template. Not sure if it would jeopardise its FA status either as the powers that be can be a bit tetchy about these kinds of things. I'll hold off for now. I do think it's quite a neat little feature for some of the larger towns and cities though and thanks for your continuing input/interest. Dick G (talk) 15:46, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Herne, Kent

Thanks for tidying up my work on the above - but please could you kindly explain why you changed "Commons category" to "commonscat" in the template? I always used to write it as commonscat, too, but then various tidy-uppers and bots came round and changed them all to "Commons category", so I'm trying to fit in with whatever is the current requirement. Have they changed it back again? Thanks. --Storye book (talk) 08:04, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. If I had left the pipe at the end, that was accidental - I had been attempting to add "inline", to try to get it to appear as a text line instead of a box, then I would have put it under "See also" subheading. However I couldn't remember how to do that. So far, none of my non-Wikipedian friends and acquaintances have been able to see or find the commonscat box in a Wiki article, even when I tell them it's at the bottom right of the article page. It seems to be invisible to them all; I don't know why. I was hoping that the public might notice it as a line under "See also".--Storye book (talk) 08:59, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Re postcards of windmills and watermills. I do have an interest in windmills and watermills, but so far I only have my own photos of those, and have uploaded all that I have, except for Thwaite Mills. The Thwaite photos will take a lot of editing and other work, so it's still not done. However I did use it in a series of Russian music films, and you can see Thwaite waterwheels working here: 006, 007, 008, 011, 015. --Storye book (talk) 09:25, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Lists of abbeys and priories in England

Thanks for your suggestion. The reason for the current format is the limitation of the Wikipedia formatting which limits the number of references which can be used in a single page. I have considered alternatives (such as excluding some details from the England page so that they are only visible in the county pages, but that does not remedy the shortcomings to any great extent given the number of references). At one time the England page was made by one contributor into virtually just a list of counties with links to the county lists - which really just undermined the subject and purpose of the page, which is to provide a list of all the establishments in England. JohnArmagh (talk) 20:39, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually the List of windmills in the Netherlands illustrates precisely what I mean - it isn't actually a list of Windmills in the Netherlands, but a list of lists of windmills in the Netherlands. In the List of abbeys and priories in England there are in fact no duplicate lists to be deleted - the individual county lists are each transclusions in the England list - the problem comes because Wikipedia limits the total number of transclusions and references, meaning the one page had to be split alphabetically by county. JohnArmagh (talk) 19:10, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Each of the counties in England has a sufficiently large list to warrant an individual list for that county, and it is that list, rather than a duplication of it, which is transcluded into the main page. JohnArmagh (talk) 19:40, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

The red links in List of abbeys and priories in England – Counties B-K demonstrate what happens when more references are included on a page than the Wiki software can currently cope with. That is why I had to split the page in the first place, and why I had to limit List of abbeys and priories in England to just the counties from B to D instead of B to K. JohnArmagh (talk) 19:55, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

On what page is there a red link to List of abbeys and priories in Kent? I am unaware of ever using that page name. (If you scroll down page List of abbeys and priories in England – Counties B-K you will see a large number of red links where the pages exist. There is nothing wrong with the syntax, as the page suggests, rather it is (as I have diagnosed) that there are simply too many references on the page, and the syntax is not being correctly interpreted by the software.) JohnArmagh (talk) 21:10, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

The way around that is to have individual reference lists for each section, rather than one big one at the end. You don't need any fancy group stuff, just put

{{reflist|close=1}}

at the bottom of each section, and it'll gather together all undisplayed references, display them, then "close" the list so that the ref sequence starts again at ^[1]. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:10, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

As I said before, the redlinks are caused by limitations of the software which makes the software read the syntax as a page which does not exist.

Yes, the redlink page does not exist, but that is because the software is misreading the name of the page, not because the name of the page it should be reading (given that the syntax itself is correct) does not exist.

This is how the syntax which transcludes the Kent list appears on this (your talk page (because the limit of references has not been exceeded):-

Foundation	Image	Communities & Provenance	Formal Name or Dedication & Alternative Names
Aylesford Priory *		Carmelite Friars founded 1242 by Richard de Grey, Lord of Cudnor (Richard, Lord Grey); conventual church built 1242–1248; rebuilt 1348–1417; dissolved 1538; granted to Sir Thomas Wyat 1541/2; church demolished, conventual buildings converted for private residence; rebuilt after fire 1930; Carmelite Friars from 1949	'The Friars'
Badlesmere Priory		Augustinian Canons Regular founded 8th century
Badmonden Priory		Augustinian Canons Regular (?)alien house: cell dependent on Beaulieu, Normandy dissolved 1414; granted to St Andrew's Priory, Rochester; dissolved 1540; granted to the dean and chapter of Rochester
Bilsington Priory ^		Augustinian Canons Regular founded 1253 by John Mansell (Maunsel), Lord Chief Justice of England; dissolved 28 February 1536; granted to the Archbishop of Canterbury 1538/9; used as a farmhouse through post-medieval period; remains now incorporated into a house
Blakwose Priory		Premonstratensian Canons cell of Lavendon, Buckinghamshire founded before 1158; transferred to St Radegund's after 1203–4; retained as a grange of the abbey; dissolved c.1377	Blackwose Priory
Boxley Abbey ^		Cistercian monks daughter house of Clairvaux; founded 23 October 1143 (1143/46) by William de Ipre, Earl of Kent; dissolved 21 January 1538; granted to Sir Thomas Wyat 1540/1; part of remains now incorporated into a private house	The Priory Church of the Blessed Virgin Mary, Bilsington
Brockley Abbey	Historical county location. See entry under London
Canterbury Austin Friars, earlier site		Augustinian Friars founded 1318 by Richard French, baker (licence granted to Walter Reynolds, Archbishop of Canterbury by Edward II to alienate part of the former Friars of the Sack site to the Austin Friars); transferred to new site (see immediately below) 1324
Canterbury Austin Friars		Augustinian Friars (community founded at earlier site (see immediately above) 1318); transferred here 1324; rebuilt 1408; dissolved December 1538; granted to G. Harper 1541/2
Canterbury Blackfriars ^		Dominican Friars (under the Visitation of London) founded c.1236 (c.1221) by Henry III; church built 1237 to after 1244; dissolved 1538; granted to Thomas Wiseman 1559/60; frater currently in use as a church of the Church of the First Church of Christ Scientist
Canterbury Cathedral Priory +		secular canons possibly collegiate founded c.600 (598): Roman church restored by St Augustine with the aid of Æthelberht, King of Kent; episcopal diocesan cathedral founded c.600; extant; Benedictine monks founded 997; rebuilt 1070 under Archbishop Lanfranc; dissolved 1539;	The Cathedral and Abbey Church of Christ, Canterbury, The Cathedral Church of Christ, Canterbury
Canterbury Friars of the Sack		Friars of the Sack founded before 1274; some friars apparently transferred to new site at Cambridge before 1289; dissolved after 1314
Canterbury Greyfriars, earlier site		Franciscan Friars Minor, Conventual (under the Custody of London) founded 1224; transferred to new site (see immediately below) c.1268
Canterbury Greyfriars		Franciscan Friars Minor, Conventual (under the Custody of London) (community founded apparently on a site north of the hospital (see immediately above) 1224); transferred here c.1268: founded 1270 by John Diggs, an Alderman of the city; Observant Franciscan Friars transferred 1489; dissolved 1534; Franciscan Friars Minor, Conventual transferred from Observants 1534; dissolved 1538; granted to Thomas Spilman 1539/40
Canterbury — St Augustine's Abbey		Benedictine monks (assumed) founded (598-605) 598 by Æthelberht, King of Kent on the advice of St Augustine; Benedictine monks (re)founded c.960; dissolved 30 July 1538; (EH)	St Peter and St Paul St Peter, St Paul and St Augustine (978) The Abbey Church of Saint Augustine, Canterbury
Canterbury — St Gregory's Priory		secular monastery founded by 1087 (before 1086) by Lanfranc, Archbishop of Canterbury; Augustinian Canons Regular refounded c.1123; church destroyed by fire 1145, rebuilt; dissolved 1536 (1537); granted to the Archbishop of Canterbury 1536/7	St Gregory's Hospital
Canterbury — St Mildred's Monastery		purported early Saxon monastery; probable minster 8th century
Canterbury — Priory of St Sepulchre		Benedictine nuns founded c.1100 by Anselm, Archbishop of Canterbury; dissolved 1536; granted to James Hale 1546/7	St Sepulchre's Nunnery
Canterbury — St Mary of the Angels Friary *		Franciscan Friars Minor involved in running the Franciscan International Study Centre; extant	Friary of St Mary of the Angels
Cliffe Cell		Cluniac monks
Combwell Priory #		Augustinian Canons Regular abbey founded c.1220 by Robert de Turneham; reduced to priory status c.1220 due to endowment shortfall; disputed between Augustinian and Premonstratensian — found in favour of Augustinians c.1230; dissolved 1536; granted to Thomas Culpepper 1537/8; granted to Sir John Gage 1542/3	Cumbwell Priory; Combwell Abbey
Darenth Priory		Benedictine monks cell, apparently dependent on Rochester founded after 971: Archbishop Hubert granted the manor of Darent; dissolution unknown
Dartford Blackfriars		Dominican Friars (under the visitation of London) founded 1356; attached to the nunnery (see immediately below); prior and friars recorded 1373; dissolved 1539
Dartford Priory		Dominican nuns (or Augustinian Canonesses) subject to King's Langley, Hertfordshire founded 1346 by Edward III in the buildings of a former royal palace; dissolved after Elizabeth Cressener died and after 1 April 1539; Henry VIII built a manor house on the site; granted to Edmund Mervyn 1540/1, afterwards becoming the property of the Earl of Salisbury; Dominican nuns — from King's Langley refounded 1558; dissolved after 1559; granted to Anne of Cleves by Edward VI; later used by Queen Elizabeth; alienated by James I; J & E Hall's engineering works built on part of site	St Mary and St Margaret ____________________ Dertford Priory; Dartford Nunnery
Davington Priory +^		Benedictine nuns founded 1153 by Fulk de Newenham; dissolved 1535; granted to Sir Thomas Cheney 1546/7; church in now parochial use — priory buildings in private ownership; restored as a private residence 19th century; since 1982 owned by Bob Geldof	The Priory Church of Saint Mary Magdalen, Davington; (parochially also dedicated to St Lawrence)
Dover Priory, earlier site		Saxon minster, secular canons founded 640 by Eadbald, King of Kent; transferred to St Martin's c.696 (see immediately below) by King Wihtred; church apparently rebuilt 10th century; repaired 1582, but practically unused thereafter and in ruins by 1724; in use as a Fives' Court early-1790s; in use as a garrison coal store during Napoleonic Wars (1793–1815); restored 1862 by Sir George Gilbert Scott and 1888 by William Butterfield	St Mary in Castro (St Mary in the Castle)
Dover Priory ^		secular canons transferred to from site within the castle (see immediately above) c.696 by King Wihtred; (?abbey 697); Augustinian Canons Regular refounded 1131 by Henry I and William de Corbeil, Archbishop of Canterbury; Benedictine monks — from Canterbury (who forced withdrawal of Augustinians) 1136; monks apparently withdrawn; Benedictine monks — sent from Canterbury by Theobald of Bec, Archbishop of Canterbury 1139; cell dependent on Canterbury; dissolved 1535; remains now incorporated into a private school: Dover College	The Priory Church of Saint Mary the Virgin and Saint Martin of the New Work, Dover
Dover Minster		Saxon minster founded 691; rebuilt 1070s; in parochial use as the Church of St Martin-le-Grand, from 16th century; demolished 18th-19th century; remains destroyed during World War II
Dover Preceptory (?)		Knights Templar founded c.1128(?) apparently transferred to Temple Ewell before c.1185; (EH)
Eastry Monastery (?)		a monastery purportedly founded before 673 by King Egbert — existence doubtful
Elfleet Monastery (?)		founded by Domneva  — probably Ebbsfleet possible duplication of Minster in Thanet Nunnery
Erith Franciscan Friary *		Capuchin Franciscan Friars founded 1902; present church opened 1963; extant
Faversham Abbey		Cluniac monks — from Bermondsey, Surrey founded 1148 (1147) by King Stephen and his queen Maud (Matilda) (apparently only nominally Cluniac from the outset); Benedictine monks 13th century (before 1207: by the reign of Henry III); dissolved 8 July 1538	St Saviour
Folkestone Priory, earlier site		Saxon minster and Benedictine? nuns founded before 640 by Eadbald, King of Kent — built in the castle precinct; destroyed in raids by the Danes before 927 (before 924); Benedictine monks alien house: dependent on Lonlay founded 1095: church granted to Lonlay by Nigel de Munevilla and his wife; abandoned 1137: transferred to new site (see immediately below)	St Mary and St Eanswith
Folkestone Priory		Benedictine monks alien house: dependent on Lonlay; (community founded at earlier site (see immediately above) before 640); transferred here 1137, permission granted to William de Albrinsis; became denizen:independent from 1399; dissolved November 1539, when priory was ruinous; leased to Edward, Lord Clinton; granted to him 9 January 1539	Falkstone Priory
Greenwich Friary	Historical county location. See entry under London
Higham Priory		Benedictine nuns alien house: dependent on St-Sulpice-la-Forêt; founded c.1148(?) (1551) by King Stephen; became denizen: independent from after 1227; dissolved 1521–2; granted to St John's College, Cambridge by Henry VIII 1522	Lillechurch Priory; Littlechurch Priory; Heyham Priory
Hoo Monastery		Benedictine? monks founded c.(686-)687: land on the island (later Hoo St Werburgh) and adjoining granted tn Ecgbald and his familia monastery under an abbot 716; destroyed in raids by the Danes 9th century?
Horton Priory ^		Cluniac monks alien house: cell dependent on Lewes, Sussex; founded c.1142 by Robert de Vere; became denizen: independent from 1351–74; dissolved 1536; granted to Richard Tate 1338–9; thereafter granted to --- Mantell; remains now incorporated into a private house	The Priory Church of St John the Evangelist, Horton ____________________ Monk's Horton Priory; Monkshorton Priory
Hythe Monastery		uncertain order and foundation
Leeds Priory		Augustinian Canons Regular founded 1119 by Robert de Crevecoeur (Croucheart/Crepido Corde), Kt.; dissolved c.1540 (1539); granted to Sir Antony St Leger 1550–1	St Mary and St Nicholas ____________________ Leedes Priory
Lesnes Abbey (Westwood Abbey)	Historical county location. See entry under London
Lewisham Priory	Historical county location. See entry under London
Lossenham Friary		Carmelite Friars founded c.1242-7; destroyed by fire 1275; rebuilt; dissolved 1538	Lossenham Whitefriars
Lydd Monastery +		Saxon minster possible monastic house founded after 774: land granted to the Archbishop of Canterbury; destroyed in raids by the Danes 893; Anglo-Saxon remains incorporated into All Saints' parish church
Lyminge Abbey +		Benedictine? nuns founded c.633 by Ethelburga, daughter of Æthelberht, King of Kent, on the site of a possibly Roman villa; monks and nuns refounded before 736 under Abbot Cuthbert; ravaged in raids by the Danes, but continued to after 964 (the time of Archbishop Dunstan); Saxon church, rebuilt c.965, incorporating remains of abbey church	Liming Abbey
Maidstone Friary		Carmelite Friars 13th century Allington Castle site sold to Carmelites 1951; in private ownership early-21stC
Maidstone Franciscan Friary		Franciscan Friars licence obtained 13 May 1331 by John atte Water to alienate in mortmain to the minister and Friars Minors of England property and land in Maidstone to build an oratory and dwelling-place; establishment never implemented
Minster in Sheppey Priory +		Benedictine? nuns founded c.670; destroyed in raids by the Danes before 900 (855); Benedictine nuns founded before 1087; Augustinian Canonesses? refounded 1123 (1130?, 1150) by William de Corbeil, Archbishop of Canterbury; Benedictine nuns refounded 1186?; Augustinian Canonesses refounded 1396; dissolved 1536; granted to Sir Thomas Cheiney (Cheney) 1537/8; remains of conventual church incorporated into parochial church	St Sexburga St Mary and St Sexburgha ____________________ Shepey Priory
Minster in Thanet Priory, earlier site		Saxon minster and Benedictine? nuns founded 669, granted by King Egbert to his niece Domneva to found a monastery; destroyed in raids by the Danes 1011; transferred to new site (see immediately below) secular collegiate Benedictine monks granted to St Augustine's Abbey 1027 by King Cnut; refounded as a grange of St Augustine's; 11th-13th century parochial church of St Mary reputedly built on site	St Domneva
Minster in Thanet Priory		Benedictine nuns transferred from earlier site (see immediately above)	St Mary Virgin St Mildred
Minster Abbey *		Benedictine nuns founded 1937; built on site of the earlier abbey (see immediately above); extant
Minster in Thanet Nunnery		Benedictine nuns founded c.750, built by Ermengitha, sister of Domneva destroyed? in raids by the Danes 980
Minster in Thanet Priory		Benedictine monks founded c.670, granted to Domneva by King Egbert, her uncle; destroyed in raids by the Danes 980; dependent on St Augustine's, Canterbury; granted to St Augustine's by Cnut 1027;	St Mary Virgin
Moatenden Priory		Trinitarian monks founded 1224 by Sir Michael de Ponynges; dissolved 1538; granted to Sir Antony Aucher 1538/9; site now occupied by a house named 'Moatenden Manor'	Mottenden Priory; Headcorn Priory; Muttiden Friary
New Romney Priory		Cistercian monks and nuns — double house alien house: grange dependent on Pontigny; founded 1264; dissolved c.1414	St John
New Romney Greyfriars		Franciscan Friars Minor, Conventual (under the Custody of London) founded before 1241; dissolved c.1287	Romney Greyfriars
Newington Priory		Benedictine nuns foundation unknown; transferred to Minster before 1087(?) secular canons from between 1154 and 1170; possible secular college, probably dissolved before 1179
Ospringe Crutched Friars		Crutched Friars founded before 1234; dissolved c.1470; became a secular hospital
Patrixbourne Priory		Saxon minster Augustinian Canons Regular alien house: cell dependent on Beaulieu, Normandy; founded c.1200; dissolved 1409; restored 1849 by Mr Marshall of Canterbury and 1857 by Sir George Gilbert Scott; church in parochial use as the Parish Church of St Mary	St Mary
Reculver Abbey		Benedictine? monks founded 669, granted to Bass (Bassa), priest, by Egbert, King of Kent; destroyed in raids by the Danes; annexed to Canterbury 949 by King Eadred: abbot and Benedictines probably removed; under a dean until c.1030	Raculfe Abbey
Rochester Cathedral Priory +		secular canons founded 604; dissolved 1080; episcopal diocesan cathedral founded 604; extant; Benedictine monks refounded 1080 by Æthelberht, King of Kent; dissolved 1540	The Cathedral and Priory Church of Saint Andrew, Rochester
St Mildred's Monastery		purported early Saxon monastery; probably a minster 8th century
St Radegund's Abbey		Premonstratensian Canons daughter house of Prémontré; founded 1193; dissolved 1536; now in private ownership	Bradsole Abbey
Salmstone Priory		Benedictine monks residential grange and manor with chapel dependent on St Augustine's, Canterbury
Sandwich Whitefriars		Carmellite Friars founded before 1268 (before c.1272) dissolved 1538
Sittingbourne Austin Friars		hospital, hermitage and chapel Silvester, the superior, apparently became a member of Austin Friars and received a grant to alienate the foundation; Austin Friars founded 1255; dissolved 1256?, Silvester apparently lapsed and the foundation ceased to be an Austin establishment	Shamele Austin Friars
Shoreham Minster		Saxon minster founded before 700; present church on site, the Parish Church of SS Peter and Paul, built between 1230 and 1270 (during the reign of Edward III) on the site of an earlier church
Strood Hospital		hospital founded 1192-3 Benedictine monks founded 1330: required master to be a Benedictine monk; dissolved c.1402; continued as hospital to 1539	St Mary
Strood Preceptory		Knights Templar
Sutton-at-Hone Preceptory +		hospital founded before 1199; Knights Hospitaller granted 1214; preceptory established; lapsed before 1338 and farmed out; evidently revived shortly afterwards; dissolved 1358; remains in use as chapel and private residence; (NT)	St John's Jerusalem
Swingfield Preceptory		Sisters of the Order of St John of Jerusalem cell foundation unknown; transferred to Sisters of St John Priory, Buckland, Somerset c.1180; Knights Hospitaller founded before 1180; dissolved 1540	St John's Commandery St John's Chapel
Temple Ewell Preceptory +, Ewell		Knights Templar founded c.1185, benefactors William, brother of the King, and William Peverelle; dissolved 1308–1312; Knights Hospitaller refounded 1312; dissolved 1540; remains incorporated into parochial church
Thanington Nunnery		St James's hospital founded before 1164; apparently became nunnery or sisterhood before 1343, with regular priests or brethren to after 1415; possibly ceased to be a hospital, at least for a time; dissolved 1551; granted to Robert Dartnall 1551/2	Tanington Hospital
Throwley Priory #		Benedictine monks alien house: cell dependent on St Bertin, St Omer; founded c.1150 by Hugh de Chilham and William de Ipra; dissolved 1414; granted to Syon Abbey; house named 'Glebe Cottage' built on site	Thurleigh Priory
Tonbridge Priory #		Augustinian Canons Regular founded before 1192 (late in the reign of Henry II) by Richard de Clare, Earl of Hartford (confirmed by the Pope 1192); dissolved 8 February 1525; became ruinous between 1753 and 1780; site later occupied by a railway goods station	St Mary Magdalen
West Langdon Abbey #		Premonstratensian Canons daughter house of Leiston; founded 1189 (1192) by William de Auberville; dissolved 1535; granted to the Archbishop of Canterbury 1538/9; site now occupied by 16th-century farmhouse currently in use as a holiday cottage	St Mary and St Thomas Martyr of Canterbury ____________________ Langdon Abbey
West Malling Abbey		nuns founded 688(?); no further reference until: Benedictine nuns transferred from Twickenham founded c.1090 (during the reign of William II) by Gundulf, Bishop of Rochester; transferred to Milford Haven; dissolved 1538; granted to Henry Cobham, alias Brook 1569/70	The Abbey Church of Saint Mary, West Malling
West Peckham Preceptory		Knights Hospitaller founded 1337 by Sir John Culpepper; dissolved 1540; granted to Sir Robert Southwell 1543/4;	West Peccham Hospital; West Peckham Camera

(That was using a the precise syntax from the page with the redlink)

However, because of the shortcomings of the software (I'm a programmer, so I do know how to diagnose the nature of an issue, even if I am unable to read the source code) it is reading the name of the page as localurl:List of monastic houses in Kent when it should not be reading "localurl:" as part of the page name. JohnArmagh (talk) 12:31, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Oxen Hoath

Hi, I just approved your hook on the DYK nominations page. I'd just like to note this article has an inordinate amount of red links. Unless you're planning to write articles about all these people, I respectfully suggest that you de-link them. Best, Yoninah (talk) 21:35, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the archiving tip. I'll do it at the end of this month. Yoninah (talk) 21:50, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

British Engineerium

Thanks for spotting the omission; I have corrected. I seem to be leaving books out quite a lot at the moment: that's the third of my recent articles this week in which I forgot at least one in the Bibliography! Cheers, Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 07:42, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Sark

Thanks for locking Sark. It would be of assistance if someone else could look at the sources cited. I've been trying to persuade La.coupee to come up with sources that contradict the Guernsey sources, but for some reason there's something personal creeping in. Man vyi (talk) 07:39, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I agree. Very sensible action on your part. I'd taken a little wiki-break before you took action, anyway, as the situation was becoming too silly to continue, and I'm only coming back today because there's some work I need to do an a completely unrelated topic. Thanks again. Man vyi (talk) 09:43, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I do not know if you really intended to indef fullprotect the page Sark, but could you re-add the move-protection? Thanks. Tbhotch^{Talk C.} 01:09, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

On the administrators noticeboard, section about Sark, you wrote: "A month ago, I fully protected the Sark article due to an edit war between Man vyi and La.coupee. I did not block either editor as I wanted them to work out the issue between themselves. Although there was some discussion at talk:Sark, no concrete agreement has been made between them. Should the article remain locked until the issue has been settled, or is it now time to unlock it, with a note in the edit summary that further edit warring will be dealt with by blocking?" and on the Sark page, you wrote: "Unprotected Sark: Per discussion at WP:AN. Further edit warring will lead to severe sanctions being applied."

I would like to point out that I did take the opportunity to resolve the differences with the other editor, but he stopped responding. Please explain what further steps you think I should have taken to try to resolve the differences with the other editor when I have written a polite, reasoned, dispassionate argument, backed by copious factual information and references (which you are able to read and which I invite you to read) and he has stopped responding.

As for your use of words such as "dealt with by blocking" and "severe sanctions", you might wish to bear in mind that my contributions are made for free, in my free time, on a voluntary basis and that I have many better things to do than to help improve Wikipedia. The use of such inflammatory threats is, may I suggest, not very helpful, particularly against a person wo has been contributing quality edits, in good faith, in his own free time, and has made a best effort attempt, and spent a lot of time, trying to resolve the differences with the other editors using factual, professional and dispassionate arguments, and has done nothing to warrant being abused by such language. I might also add that your threats, apart from being unhelpful, are also empty, since you have no power to impose any "severe sanctions" on me, but of course, if you wish to block or cancel my account, be my guest and I will devote my free time and my knowledge to some purpose where it will be better appreciated.

La.coupee (talk) 22:10, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

St Ronan's School

Hi Mj. It looks like it's worth putting it in the article and the template. There's some more info about it in the Millennium Encyclopaedia of Worthing History, which I will use as a ref. Surprisingly, no other schools appear to have moved out of Worthing (there are 6 pages worth of schools in the book!). Not sure how best to deal with former pupils. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 19:40, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Borneo

I'm not sure, but most likely all were in the Malaysia (Malay Republic of the time) bit. However I committed the cardinal sin of assuming that the original author had His/Her facts straight. I shall see what i can find out, but not tonight.Petebutt (talk) 20:40, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

RAF Labuan was located on the island of Labuan in the Crown Colony of British North Borneo.Petebutt (talk) 20:43, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

RAF Tawau - SarawakPetebutt (talk) 20:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

On Google earth Labuan is now in the Federal territory of Labuan, Federation of Malaysia

RAF Kuching (Sarawak)Petebutt (talk) 20:51, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Brompton, Chatham, Gillingham and Rochester Water Company

I have searched, I have no information at all. I will keep an eye open for any relevant stuff though.--ClemRutter (talk) 10:54, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Somerhill House

Talk:Somerhill House/GA1 (I wasn't certain where to put this, hope this is the right place!) I've had a read through the article and offered a review- it's generally excellent. I've raised a couple of issues, and would be happy to promote once they have been resolved. See the review page for more details. Hope you had a great Christmas. J Milburn (talk) 19:28, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi – thanks for your note. I actually found a reference in one of my books – Antony Dale's Fashionable Brighton – confirming the 1896 date, so I substituted that. I did write a long, rather waffling rationale anyway, which concluded that MB&H is on the whole probably not quite reliable enough for GA standards. Have a look at the GA review for my reasoning. Good luck with this submission! Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:20, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Incidentally, Somerhill House must be how Somerhill Avenue, Somerhill Road, Somerhill Lodge and Somerhill County Junior School got their names: all of these are in the middle of that part of Hove where all the streets are named in respect of d'Avigdor/Goldsmid family members! Interesting... Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 21:25, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Admittedly, there is still work to be done if you're looking at FA status, but if feels like a damn good article- I review some articles at GAC and they just don't feel like FAs, but this one does. Some key things to think about in terms of aiming at FA-

• Expansion, with whatever you can find. There must be more sources out there; I see you live locally, so libraries and bookshops covering local history (even the likes of Waterstone's can be very good for that) may be able to shed some light- there's a lot more on Google Books, too. For instance, a good few hits turn up a court case involving the lake.
• Try to cut back on the sources of questionable reliability- people will be brutal at FAC. Concerning the Turner pic, for instance, there must be a better source than Flickr (and, if there isn't, question its accuracy...).
• You mention it was built on the site of a previous mansion- what do we know of this? Again, the grounds- how much is there? How much was there? Was there a garden? Was it used for hunting? Details like that are important.
• Pictures are by no means a must for an FA, and you do have enough, but more would certainly make the article look better.
• More details about the school currently on the site would be good- we talking a private all boys? How many students? What age? Is it a boarding school?
• The location section is very short- perhaps that could be expanded (with the likes of why that location was chosen or something) or the information could be merged elsewhere.

Just a few thoughts; I'd be happy to stick around and offer advice on the article if you think that would be helpful- in the mean time, this is shaping out to be a very nice-looking GA. J Milburn (talk) 10:39, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Trebetherick

Hi there - Cornwall is one of my favourite places. I live in Essex and we we only get dowqn there every few years, it will be a few more before I renew the acquaintance - so sorry :( —Saltmarsh 18:53, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Hungarian names for Romanian places

You made in the past a ruling in the discussion about Hungarian names for Romanian places, so I think you are quite familiarized with this kind of issues.

My question would be: which is recommendation regarding alternative names of places in articles representing biographies of living persons? User:Rokarudi supports their inclusion, whilst User:Iadrian yu supports the non-inclusion

Their arguments, given in the edit summaries, are:

• For the inclusion If the person is ethnic Hungarian, then the Hungarian name is relevant.
• Against the inclusion (WP:PLACE , use modern names). The inclusion would overload the articles; alternative names can be seen at those articles (one click away) if this info is required and at the local wikipedia projects.

So: in an article from country X with the ethnicity Y, should we also add in parentheses place names in language Y? (Iaaasi (talk) 10:22, 7 February 2011 (UTC))

Wikiproject Essex

Hi Mjroots, I have noticed that you are quite active on WikiProject Essex, and I am taking this opportunity to invite you to add you name to our list of participants. I hope you take time to consider this offer.
Thanks, Thomas888b (Say Hi) 17:49, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Borough Green

Moved from User talk:Mjroots2

Please note I am the copyright holder of the main history book for Borough Green, Kent. I note that today I updated the link to the local history site. This had been hosted firstly on freeserve pages, more recently on tiscali. A lionk ( outdated_ to that site was on the wiki page.

Much of the content for the BG page comes from the booklet which is copyright. If you are not going to link to the pages where the history is now hosted I would be grafetul if you would remove the other information. Some of that is in the public domain. Some is copyright.

I fail to see why you have removed the link to the new site hosting anyway without any clear explanation.

Kind regards,

Ian Bangay. son of Frank Bangay who wrote the hsitory of BG , Past and Present — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian48db (talk • contribs) 18:55, 19 February 2011 (UTC) --Ian48db (talk) 19:09, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Request

Hello. I send you this message because I need assistance in one problem. You made in the past a ruling in the discussion about Hungarian names for Romanian places and gave me an advice regarding alternative names of places in articles representing biographies of living persons, so I think you are quite familiarized with this kind of issues.

The thread I am referring is this: [1]. I've tried to prevent an edit war by asking a 3rd opinion from a neutral editor, but the other person replied that "he is not obliged to accept it and and he is not going to". Please intervene in order to defuse this conflict. Thanks in advance (Iaaasi (talk) 12:59, 8 March 2011 (UTC))

While I am respecting Mjroots' person and am appreciating his admin quality, as far as I know the administrators have no authority for resolving content disputes, but of course Mjroots is also welcome to participate in the discussion, but then his status is not that of an anointed admnistrator, but that of a simple user will be there unless there is a violation of policy going on there. And I also made a reply to what Iaaasi brought up here there: [2]--Nmate (talk) 16:30, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Old British buildings

Hi. I noted your interest in old British buildings and heritage. I've requested a bot to draw up a full list of listed buildings in the UK organized by town/county. Please comment Listed Buildings here and offer your views on whether this would be a good idea or not.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:41, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Trinity Theatre

Nice article. It needs an infobox, but which one to use? {{infobox church}} or {{infobox theatre}}, or both? What do you think? Mjroots (talk) 20:49, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Think its better to go with the theatre, as that's what it is now - could do both? Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 21:21, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Ditton

Mjroots, thank you for your comments on my efforts with the Ditton, Kent article. I am fairly new to Wikipedia editing (including writing on Talk pages!), but am willing to give your suggestion a try and - if I fail - I'll contact you again. Your help is appreciated.Panoramaxism (talk) 11:30, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering if you might assess this article again? I know that you looked at it quite recently, on 14 June, but Shaibalalmar and I have done a lot more work since then. Many thanks. Panoramaxism (talk) 15:44, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Mereworth church

I'll start working on this tomorrow; looks like an interesting church. There are some similarities with what happened at Glynde down my way. As it happens, I will be going to Worthing library after work tomorrow; they hold all the Pevsner volumes, so I'll see what comment he made in the Kent edition! Cheers, Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 18:07, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I had a look in the Pevsner volume (actually written by a different chap; Nikolaus Pevsner only wrote the Foreword!) and there was a lot of material in there, so I will add this tonight. It's considered to be easily the best C18 church in Kent: only one at Faversham comes close, apparently. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 07:53, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll keep the GA nom on watch. Should stand a decent chance; the lead might need more, but I can try to add a few sentences. Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:00, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

No problems, but one query. Most Church GAs have "St", not "St.". I seem to remember that contractions that end in the final letter of the full word don't take a full stop, see List_of_English_contractions, but I didn't want to move without consultation. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:39, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Not sure, but the dab page has the full stop. I was taught to use the full stop after a contraction, but it was many years ago when we had to use our brains in class, not computers! Mjroots (talk) 13:29, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

No big deal, just wanted to check that you were at least aware that there was an alternative style. My church article actually began "Saint Nicholas... " which is obviously non-standard, so I moved it to "St" (I prefer to omit the full stop, partly because I don't have it for initials in refs, and partly because it looks a bit American these days, like Mr. and Dr.) Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:43, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

In British English the correct form is to add a full stop to abbreviations, unless the last letter of the abbreviation is the same as the last letter of the word abbreviated, so "St" is the proper abbrev. for "Saint".

Co.  • abbrev. 1 company. 2 county. (Pearsall 1999, p. 272)

St  • abbrev. 1 Saint. 2 Physics Stokes. 3 Street. (Pearsall 1999, p. 1395)

• Pearsall, Judy, ed. (1999). The Concise Oxford Dictionary (Tenth ed.). Oxford: Oxford University Press. ISBN 0 19 860259 6. {{cite book}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help) --Redrose64 (talk) 17:59, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

• I suppose that was deemed too complicated for us secondary modern pupils to remember. Anyhow, article moved. Mjroots (talk) 18:25, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Oxon CC had merged all the sec. mods with the Grammar schools by the time that I started at a comprehensive. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:11, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

St Nicholas Church, Blakeney

Thanks, all suggestion of blame retracted! You obviously got it spot-on. Two TFAs in less than two weeks, the wikigods are smiling. Any plans to send a church to FAC yourself? Jimfbleak - talk to me? 09:29, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Tunbridge Wells

Hi Mj. More for your interest than anything, since it is local to you: I have started List of places of worship in Tunbridge Wells (borough), my first foray outside Sussex. It will take shape over the coming days and weeks. Feel free to make any improvements or correct any of my non-local faux pas! Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 22:26, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks – that would be great. Hopefully by later tonight I will have finished downloading all those from Geograph that I have already identified, so any gaps left over will be genuine missing ones. I will do the Pemburys (or Pemburies?!...) at some point, but everything else would be a struggle on a day trip. (I was hoping to spend a few days in the area this summer, but that's looking unlikely now!). Cheers, Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 18:17, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

St Leonard's Tower, West Malling

Interesting! I hadn't come across that in my research. John Newman in the Pevsner book says this, inter alia: "In 1198 St Leonard's cemetery is mentioned, and there are later references to a chapel. Yet this is no church tower, but a free-standing keep tower". However, other references (as noted in the article) claim that it could be part of a former church. To reflect the lack of agreement among sources, I'll slip an extra paragraph in the article somewhere - either at the bottom or after the "Overview" para. PS I had a pleasant time in the area 3 weeks ago, taking all the pics; a lot of walking though (too much really!). I stayed in Sevenoaks, and photographed the district extensively, so that will be the next district list I do (I need to "do" Edenbridge and Swanley's pics before I start, really). Cheers, Hassocks5489 (tickets please!) 11:44, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

RfC relating to Vietnamese geo article titles

Since you participated in Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Vietnamese)/Archive 2 you may wish to be informed of Talk:Gia Bình District#RfC: Should non-exonym Vietnam geo article titles have Vietnamese alphabet spellings?. Thank you. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:49, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of October 2013 United Kingdom storm for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article October 2013 United Kingdom storm is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/October 2013 United Kingdom storm until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Oddbodz (talk) 20:27, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

St Jude storm

Suggest you take a look at St Jude storm.Martin451 22:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: Typhoon Haiyan

If/when they get enough information, we'll consider splitting them then. But for now, it's rather silly to have such stubby sections. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:09, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Otham Abbey

I'd be inclined to link it only to List of monastic houses in England (which has already been done); however, if I ever get round to writing an article about St Laurence's Chapel, Otteham Court, I will link that to List of former places of worship in Wealden and Grade II* listed buildings in East Sussex and provide a backlink to Otham Abbey in both cases. (I did come across some useful material on the chapel a while ago, possibly in one of the Sussex Archaeological Collections; it's probably in one of my folders somewhere.) Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:38, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Stanmer Church

Hi Mj. I would not object to it being mentioned briefly (not necessarily under a separate header – just within the Histroy section, as it is now, would suffice), but only if a good reliable source can be found. Until such a source can be found, I would be inclined to move the sentence in question to the Talk page with a note to that effect. (I remember watching that episode again recently and thinking "Ah, that looks familiar" – the last time I saw it was before I'd been to Stanmer Park!) Must dash now – end of lunch break! Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 14:11, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Iran article

Hello, Just as a proposal: If you would agree, can I replace current references with new ones (in particular #1,#2,#3 in conclusion section of talk page that have been confirmed by you) ? Since these new references confirms that Iran and Persia are synonymous and seems to be more clear and more prestigious than current references. I'll do this, Iff you are agreed, otherwise I do nothing. Regards Aidepikiwnirotide (talk) 14:14, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

@Aidepikiwnirotide: Yes, go ahead and edit, but bear in mind my remarks at the talk page re unlocking the article. Mjroots (talk) 17:18, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Aidepikiwnirotide (talk) 17:21, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Dover Strait coastal guns, 1940–1944

Did some cleaning up on the article and changed the title, thought you'd like to know. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 12:17, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

@Keith-264: I already did! Mjroots (talk) 19:13, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

I couldn't fill in the missing cites, sadly. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 19:20, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

2017 Westminster attack

Yes irrelevant, and that it's "standard practice" is a. not true and b. the worst possible argument. What is standard practice? Rutte's comment? Comments in general? Standard expressions of sympathy? You should know better than to insert comment that has no other justification than "being verified". I feel sorry too--perhaps you should add me to the list, or John. My Twitter account can verify. Drmies (talk) 18:33, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

@Drmies: - this is best discussed at talk:2017 Westminster attack so that other interested parties, such as Coffee can give their opinions. Mjroots (talk) 18:35, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Mjroots, I've seen a thousand such discussions, where typically the anti-NOTNEWS editors, who seem to have little better to do, outshout everyone else. Best to nip this unencyclopedic drivel in the bud. Drmies (talk) 18:37, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)*tumbles into the page* - Ah, yes. Well Drmies, there's two reasons I see for keeping it there right now: 1. Some new good faith editors added those, and since they're decently referenced for now I don't see any real harm in keeping it there. 2. Other articles already do this, i.e. 2016 Nice attack#International. Now of course I say these points with the caveat that what's currently on the page can and should be shortened down to a sentence, like the first sentence here, once enough reactions are made. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 18:48, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Actually, Coffee, I added the Dutch reaction. Been a long time since I was called "new" on Wikipedia . Mjroots (talk) 18:54, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Pardon me, I meant the other one and edits I believe that occured to it and to the bit you added (or perhaps just the flag icon was added to yours I can't remember). — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 19:03, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

BoJo Grenfell

Hi Mjroots.

I noticed you added info] re BoJo, to Grenfell Tower fire. The info. you added has since been removed due to concerns re relevance.

However, maybe it's relevant to be included in London_Fire_Brigade#Staffing?

Regards, Trafford09 (talk) 11:43, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

@Trafford09: Thanks for the notice. If you feel that it is appropriate in the article, feel free to add it there. Mjroots (talk) 12:54, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Grenfell Tower and the use of the word martyr

Hi, thanks for inviting me to discuss my edit. My understanding of the word martyr is someone who chooses to die for a cause, but nobody chose to die in that fire. What are your definitions? (Huddsblue (talk) 06:02, 18 June 2017 (UTC))

@Huddsblue: - in the context given, I was thinking of the definition 3 at wikt:martyr - One who suffers greatly and/or constantly, even involuntarily. Mjroots (talk) 06:23, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi and thanks. That's not quite applicable to the victims of the fire though. They just died in a very tragic accident, they didn't 'martyr on', as the prepositional third version of the word suggests they did, (which is another way of saying 'soldiering on'). I strongly believe that martyr is the wrong word to use in these circumstances, as they didn't voluntarily die for a cause. Thoughts? Huddsblue (talk) 08:15, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

@Huddsblue: It is not a word that has been used by a Wikipedia editor, but by a journalist who is being directly quoted. I would say that the definition quoted above fits, due to the and/or clause. The victims "suffered greatly, and involuntarily". If you are still unhappy with the word being used, then I would suggest that the issue is raised at the article talk page, and this thread is copied over. Mjroots (talk) 08:38, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Let's just leave it. Huddsblue (talk) 02:21, 19 June 2017 (UTC)