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please guied and help me. You don't answer my request probably cus your busy or for holiday. Anyway I hope you be well.Best.—Patricia (Talk) 11:03, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
@LizPeace & Salutations of Gratitude! Thank you for your invite to the teahouse (I am looking forward to learning how that section, works, exactly), and for the stellar contributions made herein. Very interesting stuff! Love and LightHumanWritesBook (talk) 21:45, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Following a motion, the Arbitration Committee rescinded the restrictions on the page name move discussions for the two Ireland pages that were enacted in June 2009.
On 25th October 2023 (of last year) you deleted a draft titled One Air. The deletion notice says to contact you if I am unsure that I am creating the same article. What was that deleted draft about? Thanks Njsky (talk) 04:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
I apologize for this delayed response. This User talk page gets a lot of traffic and I often fall behind in responding to queries. Luckily, I have some very helpful editors who watch this page and sometimes step up to offer assistance.
I'd be happy to help you but you need to provide me a link to the exact page you are concerned about. Then I can see why it was deleted which will determine what I can do about it. Again, I'm sorry for the wait. LizRead!Talk!02:06, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
On further reflection, I do think these should be considered project categories, as we are constantly receiving new uploads of biographical images, which should be categorized by year of publication if the data is available. Therefore, there is reason for the categories to exist, even if empty. BD2412T23:41, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
I just go by the Empty Categories list, if there is an {{emptycat}} tag on a category, the bots ignore it completely. It's what is used on most WikiProject categories which are sometimes empty. Sorry for my delay in replying to you. LizRead!Talk!02:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
I didn't do a careful analysis but at first glance, this current version is much more expansive and detailed. The version that was deleted was very short and had a lot of charts regarding elections which this article doesn't have. But I'll review it again tomorrow morning when my eyes are fresh. I don't think it's an automatic CSD G4 though. THe previous version was written by an editor who was later blocked. Is there any indications of sockpuppetry here? LizRead!Talk!03:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Is it a kind of promotion on Wikipedia?
Hi Liz, I have always seen that you are one of Wikipedia's active administrators. And thank you so much for your contributions to Wikipedia. Please include this matter in your note. I'm writing to you because I didn't get a satisfactory response on Teahouse. Note that I'm not criticizing anyone in particular. I would just like to know if that is correct or incorrect.
I have to ask, what is the status of Bollywood Hungama on the list of reliable sources, especially the list of ones from India? Sush150 is a longtime editor and I would guess familiar with the rules of adding external links and sources. I glanced at a few of their edits and they used other sources as well. Typically, in these types of complaints, the editor in question is a brand new editor who is trying to promote a media source or who is not familiar with sourcing guidelines but that doesn't seem to be the case here. If you think they are overusing this source, you could pose them a question or query about it on their User talk page. Or, if you have questions about whether or not this is a reliable source, it would be worth starting a discussion on the Reliable Source noticeboard. But I don't see anything immediately that would warrant admin action. LizRead!Talk!21:11, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Can someone please tell me why my article got deleted? They say too soon but the same reviewer also reviewed my 2027 Netball World Cup page and that was fine, despite it being almost 2 years after the 2025 Women's World Floorball Championships would've ended. So, in my opinion, I think that it's a bogus excuse. Then you could say that the article was not very good, but I heavily improved it with many Czech articles giving me very useful information for the article. I'm sick of people making bogus arguments about this article and not giving a proper reason for its deletion. To me, it comes across as one of the reasons for the article being deleted is simply because it's Floorball, a relatively niche sport, and that if it was football, it would've been kept. Once again, can people please give me a proper answer? ILoveSport2006 (talk) 11:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
It's very hard to overcome an AFD delete decision, the only way I know is to create a draft version and submit it to WP:AFC for review. The AFC reviewer will see if the new draft has overcome the problems pointed out at the AFD discussion. But since it is a 2025 event, it might just be TOOSOON for this article to be in main space. At least, the article was moved to Draft space instead of being tagged for CSD G4 speedy deletion. I don't think taking this route through Draft space is a "waste of time", it's how articles that have been deleted through AFD discussions are recreated.
One last thought though, if it is too soon for an article about an 2025 event, you might keep a draft in your User space like a sandbox, then you don't have to worry about it being deleted through CSD G13 speedy deletion. I realize this is not the answer you wanted to hear but it's what I know from working on this project and seeing many, many articles and drafts deleted through the CSD, PROD and AFD processes. LizRead!Talk!20:24, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for responding and thanks for giving me advice, but you didn't really answer my question. I'm asking why it was deleted, I can't see it being too soon, because the same reviewer didn't tag my 2027 Netball World Cup for deletion. The article meets all the requirements. It has numerous reliable sources, multiple sections and many primary and third party references. Also, I made it a draft, to make sure that my hard work it didn't get all deleted. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 21:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi sorry to disturb, i'm new on wikipedia can you help me recovering data from the page: world rafting federation - i need to move it into my sandbox but i'm learning how - at the moment i don't have a draft.
Thanks for your time! Serioushaha (talk) 18:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi! Thanks for your quick answer: it was this article here: User:World Rafting Federation.
this is the message i received:
This page does not exist. The deletion, protection, and move log for the page are provided below for reference.
18:17, 4 January 2024 Liz talk contribs deleted page User:World Rafting Federation (U2: Userpage or subpage of a nonexistent user) Tag: Twinkle (thank)
18:17, 4 January 2024 Liz talk contribs moved page User:World Rafting Federation to Draft:World Rafting Federation (Moving to Draft space, not a User) (revert) (thank) Serioushaha (talk) 20:31, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Serioushaha, I see you've posted this request in a few different places. Your deleted article was restored earlier by Ritchie333, and since then it has moved a few times but is now live at Draft:World Rafting Federation. You can work on it there. If you would like to move it anyway, the move dialog works like this: below the "new title" line are two boxes. The first is a drop-down where you select a "namespace" (the part of the title before the colon). All Wikipedia pages live in one of these namespaces, including articles (which the dropdown indicates by "(Article)", since the titles of articles don't include the namespace). The second box is for the rest of the title. Right now, the page is in the "Draft:" namespace, and has the title "World Rafting Federation". Your sandbox is located at User:Serioushaha/sandbox - if you wanted to move the page to your own sandbox, you would select the "User:" namespace, and enter the title "Serioushaha/sandbox". Sorry if that's confusing but that's how it works. You can always ask for help, too! Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Thank you so much. So if i've doin correct now i moved it to the sandbox where i can work on without any problems right? Cause it's not published yet? Serioushaha (talk) 21:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
Done Restoring a draft deleted by the request of the page creator is an easy thing for an admin to do! But there is an AFC tag from a submission in August 2023 that you might want to remove unless you want it to be reviewed immediately. I hope this helps. LizRead!Talk!21:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
I see you reverted the renaming of Embassy of Angola, Ottawa. That name is incorrect, so fixing it is a major part of keeping the article. Could you point to the policy that articles cannot be renamed mid-AFD? It seems counter the spirit of AFD which is to give an opportunity to fix flawed articles to avoid deletion. - SimonP (talk) 02:51, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
I don't know if I can locate a line in policy but at this point, I've closed hundreds if not thousands of AFD discussions and I'm in line with practice. Articles are not supposed to be moved to different page titles in the middle of an AFD discussion primarily because it messes up the relisting and closing process which uses XFDCloser. It doesn't understand when the article is at a different page title than the AFD page title and it takes extra time to clean up the mess.
I assume that this is what started this practice and I can only guess that in your admin career, you haven't closed many deletion discussions since we moved to using XFDCloser. That's where the practice has come from and when pages are moved during an AFD discussion, admins and participating editors routinely moved them back to their original location. This is not just a quirk I follow. But I'll look into whether or not it has been mentioned anywhere in official policy. Like I said, if the article is Kept, feel free to move the article to a more appropriate page title. Thanks. LizRead!Talk!04:21, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I remember !voting an RfC on this issue, Template talk:Article for deletion#RFC: Add Instruction Not to Move. It closed with consensus that "moving a page within mainspace is a perfectly possible way to improve an article while it is being nominated for deletion". The XFDCloser issues are real, though, so I'd encourage anyone who does move a page during an AfD to write in bold "Note to closer: this page has recently been moved, so please make sure the closure was carried out correctly" or something like that. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Extraordinary Writ, that's my memory, too, that it isn't "forbidden" but it is discouraged. I'm sorry if my actions left the impression that some violation had occurred, I was just trying to make things easier for the AFD closer. LizRead!Talk!05:14, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
I'm sorry that you're "appalled". You disagreed with my nomination and removed the PROD tag. That's how the system works. As for me, no one is perfect. LizRead!Talk!04:15, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
I've never heard of a Double Pendulum of determination but I'll take it as a compliment. I don't put in as much time at AFD as Daniel does but I try to do my part when I have time. Thanks for the acknowledgment! LizRead!Talk!07:24, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Looking at that kitten picture reminds me that I just weighed my two cats this morning to see if they are gaining weight...Rusty is over 20 lbs and Ginger is a lighter 16 lbs. Compared to previous cats I've had, they are enormous but I hear that can happen with orange tabbies. But I do remember when they were the size of this kitten 3 years ago! LizRead!Talk!22:42, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
World Jewish Relief AfD
Hi, FYI I was in the process of unstriking the comments when you closed. I assume it wouldn't have changed your close even if they were struck/unstruck, but if it would, please feel free to revert my edit. Cheers, Daniel (talk) 22:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Since we both patrol the AFD daily log, often at the same time at the end of the UTC day, it's inevitable that at times we would be editing the same open discussions at the same time! I had added a comment about how inappropriate it was for a nominator to strike the comments of a participating editor they disagreed with and just removed the scolding once I saw you had "unstruck" the remarks. I wish I had noticed that this had happened before I relisted the discussion and I would have commented about it then. Thanks. LizRead!Talk!22:39, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
No problems at all - I have left some pretty pointed comments at the user's talk page, hopefully to prevent it from happening again. The first striking out of comments is some of the poorer behaviour I've seen at AfD in a while...! Daniel (talk) 22:41, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Recent PROD of Farad,_California
Hi Liz,
I maintain the Farad, California Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/farad.california) which has a link to a page here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farad,_California) that you appear to have deleted for a few reasons you listed:
(ExpiredPROD, concern was: Non-notable location. GNIS does not establish notability; reference 2 is a trivial mention as a site of river data collection; reference 3 is an unreliable GNIS regurgitator, and reference 4 is both broken and unreliable (WordPress). This appears to have just been a railway point beside the hydroelectric station; no other information found.)
I had not visited the Farad wiki page in a very long time and hadn't been aware that some of its information or links were considered too stale, unimportant, or unreliable for the page to stay published. Several of the recent visitors to the Farad FB page had alerted me to the absence of the Wiki page we linked to. Could you please undelete it for a while so I may attempt to fix these issues and add some new relevant information about it?
For instance, the history of the Farad power house (It was the first working hydroelectric power station on the east side of the Sierra mountain range, and was built to provide reliable power to Virginia City, NV and the equipment used in silver mining operations around the city), presence of a public, unmaintained hot spring-fed soaking pool, the maintained hiking trails, and that it's a good fishing spot. The location, sometimes referred to as Mystic, has a marked and well-maintained set of ramps along Interstate 80. It hosted a small settlement of men who were involved in building and maintaining the power station and its related upstream infrastructure for several years. People visit the place every day to explore, rest, hike, fish, and learn about its history from maintained information kiosk. I assure you, it's more than an unremarkable spot along a railway.
Since the last time I visited the Wiki page and created my own page for Farad on Facebook, I've found many more articles and pages with valuable and verifiable information about Farad's history and things it provides, and hope to update the wiki page accordingly. Many thanks of you could help us out. Erik Schorr (talk) 10:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
This only points to the need for an article about the power plant and the amenities available there, because the notable subject is that power plant. Notability of the power plant doesn't transfer to the populated place if there ever was one. And, this is the reason people want to delete the article as it's masquerading as a populated place, and it isn't. Why don't you just write the appropriate article and let this populated place article die.James.folsom (talk) 23:55, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
You would not be knowing me but I know you even before I myself started editing wikipedia. I had nominated 2 articles previously for Afd namely Shivalik Public School and Darshan Singh Sur and both were ultimately deleted by you. So first, thanks for that. And the question that how do I know you before even joining wikipedia personally would most probably be the question due to which you would be reading till here. Once my dad also joined wikipedia but for some other reason and out of lack of knowledge of wikipedia's policies was going to make a wikipedia article about his own book and which was surely removed by admins but you were the one who told him about the policies and he told me that and I was feeling nostaglic.
Hello
Sorry to waste your time.
Thanks!
Hi Liz, Thanks for cleaning up my extra Mildred Barnes Royse page. I knew I had messed it up, but wasn’t sure how to fix it.
Hello. I see you've nominated empty categories such as 1950 Australian films for deletion. I found Category:1959 Australian films, which is populated but probably shouldn't be as it seems to be our only remaining "yyyy Countrian films" category. I'm not a film or categorisation expert, but please get rid of it if appropriate. Thanks, Certes (talk) 20:11, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) @Chandrakant Kannake (Actor): user renaming is a public action, meaning that people will be able to see that you changed your name from "Chandrakant Kannake (Actor)" to whatever your new username is. If you are looking for privacy, you would be better advised to retire this account entirely and start a new account under a newly created username. This is permissible as long as you don't use the new account in a way that deceives editors into thinking that multiple people are, for example, commenting in favor of an outcome in a discussion. BD2412T16:42, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
I never got a reply to this question that I posted here back on 18 December. So I'm reposting it:
I just want to know the name of the editor who created the article at Draft:L Dee Fink that you deleted here a couple of years ago. And while you're at it, can you also tell me when that draft was posted?
I certainly don't mind you reposting a talk page message that I haven't gotten to. I can get behind on responding to messages. I'm sorry if that was frustrating to you.
In regard to your questions, that draft editor was User:ECA-F20. It was their only edit in October 2020 and they posted a full article on this subject in their draft. When that happens, it often means that the content was cut and pasted from another source but since it wasn't submitted to AFC, it was never checked for possible copyright violations. As for the date, drafts that are deleted via CSD G13 have their last edit to the page 6 months prior to the deletion date if that helps you in the future.
Vannet Kun is mine, but i still don't understand why i was a sockpuppet. I didn't intend to destroy anyting. I just created account to create an article related to The Miss Planet International organization, which has already been held three times. However, there is no article related to it yet. That's why I created an article related to it. I have not created Draft:Miss Planet International 2019 yet, but I have created:
There is enough information that you can check on Google and other websites. You can also check the official Facebook page of Miss Planet International. Lastly, please don't try to block me, as I have no ill intensions. I will read the Wikipedia Guidelines and learn from my past mistakes. I want to be a positive contributor to Wikipedia. If you want to know more about me, you can contact me on my User talk page. Vankasida (talk) 10:32, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
@Vankasida: when your account is blocked, and you just go ahead and create another one and continue editing, that is pretty much the definition of sockpuppetry; how is that difficult to understand? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz; I don't pay much attention to categories, unless I see obvious disruption e.g., addition of categories that aren't sourced in the article, etc, or addition of top-level categories already covered by more granular categories. I noticed this large scale creation of new categories; I have no doubt it's in good faith, but the first thing I'm wondering is surely there's a reason these categories didn't exist before? I'm wondering if they are too "intersectional" as defined in WP:CATDD. OhNoitsJamieTalk13:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
Village Enterprise Wikipedia page
Hi Liz,
I hope you are doing well. My name is Brett and I work for the nonprofit Village Enterprise that is working to end extreme poverty in rural Africa. I'm reaching out because I believe you moved Village Enterprise's Wikipedia page into draft mode (see here), and I believe it may be deleted in the next week or so. I'd be more than happy to work with the editorial team at Wikipedia to answer any questions about the organization to get the page reinstated and more current.
In case it is of use, I thought I would point out several articles that could be of use to updating the page. Village Enterprise received a Fast Company World Changing Ideas Award for their DREAMS for Refugees project with Mercy Corps in May of 2023. They also received a $7 million donation from MacKenzie Scott in 2023. That same year, Dianne Calvi, Village Enterprise's CEO and President, was honored with the President's Award for the Advancement of the Common Good from Stanford University, and she had an op-ed published in Fortune on World Refugee Day. In 2022, IDinsight published the results of their independent randomized controlled trial of the Village Enterprise Development Impact Bond (see report here), and the Village Enterprise Development Impact Bond was featured in a 2022 Brookings event.
Please let me know if I can be of assistance in any way to having the page reinstated.
Hi @BrettSlezak I made an edit to re-set the deletion clock. Have a read of WP:ORG to understand the kind of sourcing needed if Village Enterprise is going to become an article. Feel free to be in touch if @Liz or I can be of help in any way. StarMississippi02:45, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Star Mississippi thank you for making an edit to re-set the deletion clock—I really appreciate it.
I've read WP:ORG to better understand the sourcing needed for Village Enterprise to become an article. I believe the following articles are significant, independent, reliable, and secondary sources proving Village Enterprise's notability: Devex's coverage of the results from the Village Enterprise Development Impact Bond (the first impact bond for poverty alleviation in Africa), Fast Company's World Changing Ideas Award for Village Enterprise, Mercy Corps, and IDinsight for their joint DREAMS initiative to serve refugees living in extreme poverty, coverage of Village Enterprise's business and saving group model and the impact it is having on an entrepreneur named Salome Lodis in Kenya in Nation, and coverage of Village Enterprise's poverty graduation model and results in an article on the poverty graduation approach in Vox (this article features multiple organizations and studies but significant attention is paid to Village Enterprise. The organization is also written about in this SSIR article from 2013. There was also a Brookings event on the Village Enterprise Development Impact Bond results — multiple stakeholders from the project were part of a panel, including Village Enterprise's Taddeo Muriuki.
With those articles in mind, what is needed to get the Village Enterprise Wikipedia article back up? I'm happy to look at the draft and provide suggested edits here with sourcing for yourself to review. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. BrettSlezak (talk) 23:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
While I'm not sure that sourcing is sufficient, others may disagree. In order to make this sourcing stand out, I'd remove things like the founders' pledge and charity newswire which add to volume of sourcing but don't add to notability. You'd then be welcome to re-submit it through WP:AFC for review. You're not required to, but since you noted you're an employee (and thank you for doing so) it's best practice to do so. Let me know if you need help with that. Happy to as I can. StarMississippi03:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Star Mississippi, thanks for all of your help. Is the best way for me to submit my edits for review to directly edit the Draft: Village Enterprise and then to submit it through WP:AFC? Just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly. I've re-written and re-sourced the entire article in a Google Doc for the time-being, so once if this is correct, I should be able to update it soon. Thanks again. BrettSlezak (talk) 22:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the ping and apologies for missing your prior note @BrettSlezak. Yes, you can add your re-write to the existing draft and re-submit it. I'd note on the Talk that you have done so in order for a large edit not to concern folks about a copyright/copy paste which isn't the case here. StarMississippi01:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Star Mississippi, thanks for all of your help. I just wanted to update you that I have submitted my rewrite of Draft:Village Enterprise through WP:AFC. I've also noted my rewrite on the Talk so hopefully it doesn't cause any concerns.
Hi @Star Mississippi, thanks again for all of your guidance as I was working on the Draft: Village Enterprise. One other question I wanted to run by you — is there anything I can do to help the page be reviewed? It's been about 4 weeks since it was submitted, but I understand it could take 8 weeks or so. Are drafts reviewed in the order they are submitted, so that we are moving to the top of the queue? BrettSlezak (talk) 02:24, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi @Liz and @Star Mississippi, I hope that you are both doing well. I wanted to check back in to see if there's anything I can do to help the Draft: Village Enterprise be reviewed. It's been a little over 2 months since the draft was submitted. I've also added tags to try to increase the chance of a quicker review. Any insights you have would be appreciated! BrettSlezak (talk) 04:07, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
Apologies for missing your prior @BrettSlezak. Feel free to ping me on my Talk page if I do in the future. There is no queue, the ~2,400 drafts are reviewed in a semi random manner which I know can be frustrating, but hopefully it will be reviewed soon. I'm not certain about tags speeding up review. StarMississippi12:49, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
User:CiceroHunter
Hi, Liz. Based on the discussions on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:CiceroHunter could the discussion be closed and could the userpage and subpages be redirected to my main account as the last comment suggested if possible I'd be happy if they were to be redirected to my main current userpage and account. Is this doable? Regards. ShadowWarfare21:26, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
I should have read this message more carefully before running over to MFD to check out the status of the discussion. I relisted the discussion since it had such low participation so I don't think I can immediately close it now. This discussion had no consensus so unless there is a new rush of editors to offer their opinion, it is likely to close as "No consensus" and then you can redirect the pages yourself. But please wait until it closes which should be in a day or two.
I really apologize for how long this discussion has been open, we don't have as many admins and NAC editors closing discussions on MFD and, in fact, I've only closed 2 or 3 myself. I'm sorry that you find the atmosphere on Wikipedia toxic. Over the 10 years I've been editing the project, I've taken two breaks, early on for 6 months and later for 2 years until I returned in 2018. I found myself involved in disputes with editors that looked like they would last a lifetime but when I returned both times, those editors had moved on from editing. Sometimes you just need a WikiBreak. But don't worry, we'll get this resolved for you. LizRead!Talk!01:09, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks done, I'll leave my email address on the account preferences because I may come back in the future as I'm not ruling it out but for now I'm not happy with editing the site . Thanks for the help though. ShadowWarfare22:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hibaq Jama until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.
Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.
I made one small edit to this article over 2 years ago. Why are you giving me this notice? It typically goes to the page creator and other major contributors. LizRead!Talk!00:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. Apologies for the intrusion, but I thought I would try to engage some of the article's most recent contributors, particularly those who have had previous involvement in the deletion proposals. The original creator appears to have been banned from editing English Wikipedia and any other substantive edits have been thin on the ground as you might imagine.
Sorry once again for sending you this, however- this is my first AFD nomination and I realise I might have overcooked it on the courtesy notifications.
I was more curious than upset because we have an ongoing problem with deletion nominators not informing ANY content creators when they nominate articles for deletion. So, for you to go beyond the necessary to consider other editors who might be interested is admirable, I think. I'll check out the discussion as it progresses. LizRead!Talk!01:11, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
Would it be possible to undelete Jest (framework) ? My understanding is that it is one of the leading testing frameworks in the Computer science industry with multiple sources:
The AFD was closed as a Soft Delete so the answer is "Yes". However, I'd like to ask you where you would like it to be restored. If I restore it to Draft or User space, then you'd be free to work on improving the article at your leisure. If I restore it to main space, you run the risk of it being renominated at a second AFD where, according to our guidelines, it can't be Soft Deleted again so if it was a Delete closure, it would be very difficult to restore it again. But it's your choice. Let me know. LizRead!Talk!02:30, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Could you look at this and advise me on whether I'm correct that this is mis-use, and what to do next? Possibly open a MfD? ☆ Bri (talk) 19:50, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
I didn't check all of those pages but I'm assuming they are copies of main space articles posted in User space? That is definitely discouraged. So far, the editor has not responded to your message.
Honestly, I don't think it's worth you pursuing this matter even though you are probably right. WP:MFD has its own unwritten rules and regulars and what I've noticed is that they frown on editors who patrol other editor's User pages and judge it to be unproductive busywork. They usually Keep nominated User pages unless they are clear violations of CSD G5 or they have content that violates BLP guidelines or has racist or other offensive content. We have millions and millions of User pages that probably merit deletion for being abandoned and useless but it's extremely difficult to get them deleted unless they can be CSD G5'd or have objectionable content. It's to the point where no one even proposes their deletion through a new CSD criteria any more, I imagine because veteran editors would argue against it. But this is all just my observation, not based in any policy. LizRead!Talk!02:26, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
I don't know if you've noticed but I think about 5% of the time, XFDcloser screws up the relisting of AFD discussions. It happened to me last night. XFDcloser either a) doesn't remove the AFD from the current day's AFD daily log (1/3/23) or b) it doesn't repost the AFD on the future AFD daily log (1/10/23) or c) the worst, it removes the AFD from the current daily log and doesn't post the AFD on the future daily log. We used to have one or two editors who used to hunt down AFD discussions that fell through the cracks like this and just disappeared from the daily logs but I think they've moved on to other tasks. Unless the nominator keeps track of them, AFD discussions can linger on, unclosed for months if they are not reposted to the future AFD daily log. Luckily, this doesn't happen that often. I've meant to post about this at Wikipedia talk:XFDcloser but questions there often go unresponded to so I guess the developers are AWOL. LizRead!Talk!02:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Confirming I didn't make any edits there - I was just running through the daily log page and because something was breaking the shading of the discussion, the daily log was a mess. I've also found that the relist function sometimes fails, I've now started checking to make sure it edits the new log to paste it on to avoid having debates end up in the void. Daniel (talk) 02:19, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for letting me know. It sure looks like the same editor. They maintain a high level of activity when they do edit. Unfortunately, they seem persistent so they might frequently create new accounts. You have become very skilled at filing SPI cases which makes things easier for checkusers and SPI clerks. LizRead!Talk!00:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
I was just wondering why you deleted my page on William Macintyre, and wasn’t just left as a draft so I could improve it. Is there something that I have done wrong? If so, how can I retrieve information to improve the page whilst it still being a draft?
As pages created before the earliest block/ban on any account are ineligible for WP:CSD#G5, I ask that you revert your recent G5 deletions of pages created by the Miyera20 sockfarm. I'm unware of any more significant abuse and those pages are mostly sitting around harmlessly. Cheers, Complex/Rational00:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
I checked the SPI case but it looks like I made a major mistake here. I replied to you on the user talk page of the editor who tagged all of those pages. It looks like I'll be spending a good amount of time tonight restoring pages and reverting tagging. I'm sorry for this inconvenience and I'm grateful that you are holding me accountable to be more careful in my admin responsiblities. LizRead!Talk!00:39, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
No worries, I've done the same thing before. (And we were typing our respective messages at the same time, so I didn't see the ping until I finished writing here.) Complex/Rational00:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Liz, remember when I told you how much time Twinkle's batch-undelete feature can save? Now you can see for yourself! I put the list of deleted userboxes at User:Extraordinary Writ/sandbox7, so if you go to that page, choose "Und-batch" from the Twinkle menu, and enter your reason, it should undelete all 92 pages for you in short order. It unfortunately doesn't remove the deletion tags, but you should be able to do that fairly quickly by just rollbacking the relevant edits. Let me know if you run into any issues. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Oh wow, Extraordinary Writ, I have never done a batch undelete before. Thanks for showing me how. I'm working on another task right now and I hope those pages do not get re-deleted before I can remove the CSD tags.
By the way, is it possible to use Twinkle to tag a list of pages? I see some editors/admins to mass tagging of pages, all occurring at the same minute, and the only way I can guess that they are able to do this is by using Twinkle. Or is it AWB? Thanks again so much for creating this list for me. Much appreciated. LizRead!Talk!01:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Happy to help. I don't think Twinkle can mass-tag pages. AWB is definitely a possibility, or they could just be opening pages in multiple tabs and tagging them all at once, or there could be some other script I'm not familiar with. If there's a particular example you're thinking of, let me know and I can try to figure it out. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Well, they are instances like the one here that I responded to incorrectly, editors/admins mass-tagging pages CSD G5 or mass-tagging empty categories CSD C1. I am intimidated by AWB and afraid to doing any mass-editing projects just in case another mistake like this one happens. But I know there are plenty of editors like BD2412 or BrownHairedGirl who used AWB without problems. LizRead!Talk!01:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Looks like the userboxes were all tagged manually. Usually the diff will tell you if Twinkle, AWB, JWB, etc. were used, although that isn't foolproof. I certainly understand the hesitancy to use AWB; I've had my share of problems with it and try not to use it unless I have to. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 02:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Oh, I know AWB wasn't used this time but I've seen a mass page tagging in the past. Always wondered how this was done. Maybe if I get some free time (hah!) I'll look into AWB and give it another try. I don't take on mass-editing projects like moving commas or fixing references so I'm not sure how useful it would be for the regular tasks I take on. LizRead!Talk!02:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
I used massRollback to undo some of the CSD taggings from the user contributions page. I found it very effective (though it does carry a risk of misfiring) – maybe you'd like to use it as well. Complex/Rational03:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
I've never tried that, thanks for the suggestion. Is there a way to "Mass roll forward" an edit and mass tag, just like mass rollback only in reverse? I'm almost done with reverting these CSD G5 edits. But I got halfway through doing it and thought, why isn't the editor who placed the CSD tags reverting themselves? Why am I doing this?! But it needs to be done and I'm online so be it. LizRead!Talk!04:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz. I had someone message me on instagram and say they will publish my site for 200. They published it and deleted it. Can you help me? Thanks! Ravenhockey10 (talk) 22:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
What is the article? Do you know the editor's name? You shouldn't pay for Wikipedia services, no one can guarantee that an article won't be deleted. LizRead!Talk!22:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
AlexHardy20 was the user who edited my original submission to publish it and deleted it. I thought I did everything correct that’s why I agreed to talk with him. Very convincing! Ravenhockey10 (talk) 22:59, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
I have blocked User:Alexhardy20 because they violated Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure guidelines. I believe your article is still available in Draft space at Draft:Henry Gendus. You can always go to your User page and look at your Contributions (in the left-hand column of the page). For your information, an editor, especially a very new editor, can not get a page deleted. They can "tag" a page to be considered for deletion but all tagged pages are reviewed by an administrator first. I'm not sure how they even came across your draft and tracked you down. It might be because you use the same username across platforms. Any way, all they did was move your unapproved draft article to main space, they didn't edit it so it's still in the state that you left it.
I was mistaken! This draft has never been reviewed before so I submitted it for you, I hope that is okay. These days, drafts are often reviewed quickly so hopefully you will hear something back in the near future. LizRead!Talk!01:02, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
Well, the important thing to know is that there are resources (some much much better than me!) that you can go to for help. Wikipedia has an awful lot of pages about policies and guidelines, plus a Manual of Style and it is a lot to absorb for new editors. What you don't want to do is to move a draft to the main space of the project too soon, that is what Alexhardy20 did and that can result in an article deletion. Draft space is a safe space you can work in to improve the article. The only reason it would be deleted is if it is seen as advertising or too promotional. LizRead!Talk!02:14, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
WikiProject Vital shortcuts
Hello! Just noticed you deleted the shortcuts of the WikiProject Vital articles of the level 5 subpages, I had just created them, not sure I follow the reasoning provided that they didn't exist. Cheers. The Blue Rider22:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
They were orphaned talk pages which are deleted according to CSD G8 guidelines. Unless they are exempt from deletion because the page itself contains content that we want to keep, we delete orphaned talk page (with no accompanying article or project page). If there was a project page redirect, then there can be a talk page redirect. LizRead!Talk!22:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz, I'm giving Drmies the evening off--maybe you can help. This is in awful shape since being commandeered by an editor with WP:COI: [1]. Claims like this are just bizarre [2]. My take is that the article can revert to its last stable version [3], but someone will have a fit, and it may be construed as vandalism if I do it. Perhaps there's something salvageable in that mess, but is it worth picking through? Thanks, 2601:19E:4180:6D50:FC5D:2927:11BD:DF5 (talk) 03:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Why was the page 'Sadaqah Jariyah' deleted, and how can it be restored? It is a crucial page in 'Islam,' providing a neutral explanation of the topic supported by appropriate references. Why was it removed? مستر (talk) 11:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
@مستر: It was not deleted, but it was sent to draft space for further improvements. I will suggest you replace blogs with WP:RS. If you don't have it already, here is your link to your draft. Thanks. Maliner (talk) 12:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Request for guidance and possibly your action
Hi liz Let me thank you again for reviving the draft Draft:Mehdi Mirza Mehdi Tehrani for me. I updated the draft a lot and consulted with experienced editors and some managers.see this: here and here Currently, there are two detailed comments above the draft. I would be very happy and honored if you have time or if you would like to take a look at this draft. Assuming good faith, I'll make it clear that I don't want to take up your valuable time, but I'd greatly appreciate your guidance and possibly your action. —Patricia (Talk) 14:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Maliner (I apologize to liz the owner of the page) Sources that appear to be interviews are independently subjected to an unbiased review of the subject's work. They are in English. You definitely didn't feel like reading. I had explained in detail in the comment above the draft. You deleted it. I strongly object to the rejection of the draft. —Patricia (Talk) 15:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Done I didn't notice that the two most recently expressed opinions occurred right before my closure. So, I restored the article and relisted the AFD discussion. I will let another administrator close this discussion. LizRead!Talk!00:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
I created the "User mns" categories for people who speak the Mansi language per request of another user. The reason the categories might be empty is because I created the pages six hours before you marked them empty. I think this may have been a misunderstanding on my part, and I'm not sure if I was even supposed to create those categories and rather only the ones that were currently in use. Thanks, UrbanVersis32KB ⚡ (talk / contribs)14:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Yes, we have a policy about not retaining empty categories, ones that are not being used, on the project. There are a few exceptions to this policy guideline including category redirects, category disambiguation pages and categories associated with WikiProjects that are empty at some times but might be used in the future. Those WikiProject categories are tagged {{emptycat}} to mark that the categories might be occasionally empty.
I have seen some User language categories that have the "empty cat" tag on them but please only use it for categories that realistically will be occupied by a User page. Not every level of language proficiency for every obscure language should have its own category page if it's unlikely that we will see new editors coming in with that specific language fluency. So, it's a judgement call and I ask that you not overuse the tag and to be realistic. I hope this helps explain how we handle empty categories on the project. Thank you. LizRead!Talk!00:50, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Of course, you are right, I don't know why I didn't recognize it was a bot. I'll cease notifications but we have gotten two recent floods of empty categories and I doubt we'll have another one in this same subject area. Any way, thanks for bringing this oversight to my attention. LizRead!Talk!00:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Hey Liz, any chance you can drafity the page Mahmoud Al Aswad that I believe was deleted per consensus? The player is in a major tournament right now, and I think I found enough coverage to satisfy GNG. Let me know. Cheers!--Ortizesp (talk) 00:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for coming back, I lose track of my user talk page messages regularly, it's terrible, I know. I can restore Mahmoud Al Aswad to Draft space but you need to submit it to WP:AFC for review and, hopefully, acceptance. If it gets moved right back to main space, it likely will be tagged for CSD G4 speedy deletion. This is standard practice when restoring articles that have been deleted through AFD and this was an easy Delete decision based on the participation.
Okay, no problem Liz I've recreated the above with more references. However, may I request the draft article for Samer Jundi? Same situation as the above, was called up to a major tournament so now has significant coverage. Thanks!--Ortizesp (talk) 20:08, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
Entries for deleted articles in DOY articles
Hi Liz, I'm sure you're really busy, but this is just a wee tip ;). When an article is deleted (e.g. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saúl Lara (footballer)), the corresponding entry/ies on the relevant DOY articles should be removed in their entirety, not just have the wiki link removed. You can see the style guide for DOY articles here. Thanks a lot! Kiwipete (talk) 07:23, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
I've been taking a brief break from PRODPATROL but noticed the effects of this deletion in my watchlist. I've requested a refund. I see that you've deleted incoming links to this. If I find a more productive solution to this, we're going to want to undo all that. Non-trivial incoming links are a flag indicating a poor PROD candidate. ~Kvng (talk) 13:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
The redirect of List of The Southern Vampire Mysteries characters was literally done yesterday, and I've undone it citing your closing rationale as a reason it needs to at least be looked at before being redirected. Would you mind restoring the subject fictional element as a redirect to the now-unredirected list? Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 21:27, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Delete a page in my domain
Why did you refuse to delete a page in my personal domain, knowing that it does not contain many links and is more than two years old? مستر (talk) 23:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
User:مستر The term you are looking for is userspace, and it is within your, now former, userspace, but WP:U1 contains an exception for user talk pages. Please read WP:CSD before tagging any additional pages for deletion, especially WP:U1 and WP:U2. If you still find yourself confused afterword then start a thread at the WP:TEAHOUSE asking for additional explanation with a link back to this discussion, thank you. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:7186:1FB7:1CA:90A5 (talk) 23:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
DoneCategory:A-Class Weather articles had been blanked and treated as a regular CSD C1 empty category. Empty categories can always be restored if they are needed and this one shouldn't have had the "Empty category" tag removed from it. Glad I could help. LizRead!Talk!21:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Is WP:WPWX's consensus to deprecate the A-class rating invalidated as a result of a move to push ratings away from wikiprojects? We had deprecated A-class last year since there wasnt a working, consistent review process for it. Noah, AATalk22:03, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
I closed that discussion as merge, then I listed it on WT:CFD/W for the bot to take care of. Processing times there are 1-2 days usually as only a few admins process requests there. It would have been merged, eventually. Seawolf35T--C22:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
Apologies @BeanieFan11, I forgot about this. I've draftified the one that's closed since it was a soft delete.
Since the latter was just relisted, I'm not going to close it but if it doesn't close as draft feel free to ping me and I'm happy to provide as it's a sensible outcome StarMississippi13:31, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Balochistan Youth Action Committee
Hi Liz! I was wondering if you would be able to expand on your rationale for closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Balochistan Youth Action Committee as no consensus? From where I am standing (though I am biased), it seems like there was fairly clear consensus for deleting the article. I do not see anyone arguing for redirecting or merging the article (contrary to the closing statement), and people advocating to keep the article had WP:ITSUSEFUL or WP:ILIKEIT arguments. Best, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:16, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
I am hoping you would comment on or suggest a solution for the AfD Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ziad_Sakr as the dialogue between myself and Namexre does not seem to be producing productive results and the length may be preventing others from weighing into the AfD. Any guidance from you would be appreciated. KeepItGoingForward (talk) 22:05, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
I'll look at it over the next day. I might "hat" some parts of the discussion if it doesn't look productive. I was also thinking, you could choose to withdraw this AFD nomination and redo it at a later date. It's hard to predict how many editors are going to come and participate in a deletion discussion. LizRead!Talk!02:49, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Sounds good on the "hat" of some parts of the discussion.
It appears your relisting the AfD got other editors involved in the AFD nomination process, so I don't believe I need to withdrawal it now. Though, I did not realize one could withdrawal an AFD, unless it is a speedy keep, so what is the process for other reasons? KeepItGoingForward (talk) 07:32, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
@KeepItGoingForward: You can't withdraw this nomination. Already, three different editors voted delete there. So withdrawing this nomination will be a bad idea, at least in this case. Thanks. Maliner (talk) 07:40, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
The answer is more complicated than you might realize. When an admin deletes an article through an AFD discussion, XFDCloser removes links and sometimes the entire mention of the deleted article subject. It's possible to go mention by mention through a list and make individual choices. But admins don't actually go to each article where there is a mention, we are working through the editing tools that were developed to do acts like close deletion discussions and this is how XFDCloser works.
If however, the article was deleted through Proposed deletion or tagged for a CSD criteria, most often Twinkle is used for those deletion. With Twinkle, there is an option to remove red links but not the mentions of the article subject. When I was a new administrator, I was told that I was always supposed to remove red links for deleted articles but it's that's not policy, it's just a practice I was told to do. But other admins do not use the option to remove red links. Or they use the Drop Down menu to select Page>Delete and fill in the reason for deletion and delete a page that way. This old-fashioned method doesn't do anything with broken red links or mentions unless the admin chooses to take the time to see "What links here" but I don't know how often that is done with admins who handle a lot of page deletions.
So, that's the backside of deleting a page. And when your workload invoves deleting dozens or even hundreds of pages each day, it becomes more and more unfeasible to visit each article that has a mention of a deleted article subject. The only realistic change I can imagine is asking do we leave the red links and mentions, or do we remove the red links? LizRead!Talk!01:33, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
I think the situation might be different and we would be handling things the old-fashioned way if we had more admins each helping out a little bit in deletions instead of a smaller number of admins who handle the bulk of them. But given the smaller number of active admins and the tendency of many of us to specialize in certain areas, this is the system that has evolved. I don't think it is optimal but I guess we need to persuade newly minted admins to help out with tasks in the deletion areas, too. LizRead!Talk!02:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Hope you don't mind my .02 here @Liz. @Clarityfiend in addition to what Liz says, I don't think the issue is super settled among the community. As you can see at User_talk:Liz#Deleting_info_from_lists, @FkpCascais sees it differently than you do re: retention. I don't think there's an easy/clear way to act on these. When I close an AfD I try to judge whether it makes sense to retain, but if it's not a subject area I know it's a toss up StarMississippi14:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
My logic is that if you make a list about "People who climbed Everest" you may not find every single entry valid for having an article, but if you make a list, you certainly must include them all, weather deserving a wikipedia article, or not. See my point? This player may not deserve an article by himself, but he played in the mentioned league so he should not be erased from the list. He must be listed, without link then, rather than missinforming reasers ignoring him and not listing him at all. FkpCascais (talk) 21:41, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
No we dont. If the list says "All X people who menaged X" we DO NOT include only the ones with wiki article. We include them all that fit the inclusion criterium and link the ones having articles and leave unlinked the ones that dont. This is not about Wikipedia articles list, this is an online encyclopedia that provides complete information. FkpCascais (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
About to step offline for a few hours but just pointing a pointer here back to the discussion on my Talk. Not sure Liz wants us camped out here, but I'm not sure the best noticeboard for this conversation either. It should be somewhere central as I imagine far more than each of you disagree on what we do/don't do. StarMississippi19:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
(talk page watcher) Unlinking is optimal, imo. Redlinks are for subjects that deserve an article. The fact that it just got deleted shows that's not the case just then, so it needs to be unlinked. Whether to remove entirely is an editorial decision (either could be correct depending on the inclusion criteria being used) that an admin need not get involved in while performing an administrative task. Or you may get yourself involved in hundreds or thousands of content disputes in topics you don't even care about and couldn't possibly handle. Usedtobecool☎️02:10, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
@Star Mississippi, the deletion instructions for AFD come from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Administrator instructions. Analogous instructions are also at WP:CSD and WP:PROD, both of which happen to be policy, making those instructions policy also. AFD instructions page does not have a PAG status. However, I am confident that despite their policy status, CSD and PROD pages inherit those instructions simply from WP:Deletion process which has guideline status. It also happens to have a decent number of watchers. As such, the first discussions should probably be had there. Discussions would only make sense if anybody disagrees with the policies and instructions as they are, or thinks them unclear. Since it would affect established deletion processes, multiple policy pages and presumably multiple automated tools, any change would require a WP:CENT RFC. Usedtobecool☎️06:26, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
I get these messages from you about the Mass Media by town categories every couple of weeks, it seems. It looks like someone has been going through them and systematically emptying them. I've no problem with them being deleted - I've been here long enough to know which battles are worth fighting and which aren't - but I'd like to know who has emptied them all and why. At the time I made them, they each had a minimum of six articles. Grutness...wha?02:22, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Well, in this case, Drmies removed the solitary content of this category which then caused it to become empty. We have a script you can use to see any recent additions or removals from a category but it only goes back about a week or about 20-25 items. As for a concerted effort to empty categories on a particular subject, that actually happens, usually on a small level (like emptying a category that only hold one article) but I think anything of the scale you're thinking about would probably go through a CFD discussion. I doubt that Drmies had anything to do with the other categories that were deleted as empty categories. But you can either install the script yourself so you can see who is emptying these categories or you can bring them to me and I can see if there are any editors are trying to eliminate "Mass Media" categories. LizRead!Talk!02:30, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Need Guidance on Handling a Sensitive AfC Submission
I am writing to seek your advice on a delicate matter I encountered in my role as an AfC reviewer. Recently, I reviewed a submission that was deeply personal and concerning. The submitter, apparently a teenager, expressed feelings of distress and thoughts of self-harm. This submission, while heartfelt, clearly does not meet Wikipedia’s content guidelines as it is a personal essay and not encyclopedic material. - [[4]]
Given the sensitive nature of the content, I am unsure about the best course of action. While the submission should not be accepted(I mean kept even as a draft and I don't know if it qualifies for CSD) on Wikipedia, I am concerned about the well-being of the individual. I understand that Wikipedia is not a platform for personal support, but I feel a responsibility to handle this situation with care and sensitivity. QuantumRealm (meow🦁 • pawtrack🐾) 05:55, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
It looks like Primefac has already responded to this situation. I could only recommend that you report cases like this to Trust and Safety, I'll look for the link. LizRead!Talk!06:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to seek your advice and guidance regarding the draft article on Vxtreme. As I am still learning the intricacies of Wikipedia editing and the process of moving drafts to the main space, I would greatly appreciate your expertise in this area.
I noticed that you have been involved in the discussion page of the Vxtreme draft, and your insights were invaluable. I am keen to understand what steps are necessary to ensure that the draft meets Wikipedia's standards and can be successfully moved out of draft mode. Specifically, I am looking for advice on aspects such as sourcing, neutrality, and any other key elements that are essential for the draft to be considered ready for the main encyclopedia.
As an enthusiast eager to contribute meaningfully to Wikipedia, I am committed to learning and adhering to the best practices of Wikipedia editing. Your guidance on how to improve the Vxtreme draft and what criteria it needs to meet for moving it to the main space would be of great help.
Thank you for considering my request. I look forward to any advice or suggestions you might have.
It's so embarrassing when this happens, Star Mississippi. But considering the hundreds of main space, Draft space, project space and User space, pages I look at every day (between CSDs, PRODs and AFDs), it's almost inevitable that there will be mistakes. I have to do what I tell new editors: "Slow down!". LizRead!Talk!02:46, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
We're all human. And we're not paid unlike NFL refs who seem to take pride in blown calls (Says she, watching NFL playoffs!). You said oops, we saved seven days of bureaucracy and got the right outcome, which is what we all want. I just bombed an AfD nom entirely that I could only explain as "do I know how to read google?". Close and no harm no foul. Don't stress it. StarMississippi02:50, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Reverting my edits on categories
Hi Liz,
I see you are undoing the edits where I removed the merge tags from categories. Sorry about that, it is fine that you are reverting them. v/r - Seawolf35T--C18:32, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Nuvolo (Software Company)
Hi Liz!
I saw your message on my talk page about Nuvolo. I probably shouldn't have moved it back to mainspace, but they only moved it back to draftspace after I AfDed it. They originally moved it to mainspace themselves because it kept getting rejected at AfC (once by me, and also 3 other reviewers). Obviously page creators are allowed to not go through AfC so that's fine. If a page creator moves a page back to draftspace during an AfD, should I close the AfD as draftified or withdraw the nom since it's no longer relevant? BuySomeApples (talk) 04:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello, Liz. You have new messages at User talk:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft. Message added 05:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
You threatened me on my own talk page with this message: "This behavior, coming from a less experienced editor, makes me think that a block is called for."
I don't consider that an "attack", it was a warning that your behavior needed some improvement. Your user talk page is FULL of editors who take issue with your editing and have reverted your edits. You even received a block recently so it's not like I'm alone in noticing your "hostile" behavior as another editor put it. You even complained last month about editors threatening you so you seem to see threats on the part of others but not bad behavior when it comes from you.
I saw the page before it was deleted and have asked the admin who deleted the article and talk page if further action should be taken. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. LizRead!Talk!23:23, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
Hey Liz! Hope you're doing well, and thank you again for everything. I'm popping by because I wasn't expecting to be hit with ten C1 notices for categories I just created? Apparently per WP:C1 it's only for categories unpopulated after 7 days of emptiness. I just wanted to ask and make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong, or if the cats were otherwise grouped in during maintenance, or etc. It's no worries either way, all of these cats came about from fulfilling AFC/R requests, and I didn't realize it'd take more than 30 minutes to populate them... 🫠 Ah well, quite a bit to get through. Thanks again, Utopes(talk / cont)03:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Sorry about that. Several times I day, I run a query to find empty categories and then I tag them CSD C1. I didn't really notice when they were created, all I knew is that they became empty since I last ran the query a few hours ago. If you expect them to not be empty, please revert all of my talk page notices and I'll untag the categories as they no longer are empty. Usually when we have a lot of suddenly empty categories, it's because some articles, categories or templates have been deleted in AFD/CFD/TFD discussions. But it happens all of the time so that didn't seem unusual to me.
I apologize if I overwhelmed your User talk page. It's just a coincidence that you created a whole bunch of categories right before I ran the empty category query and they all got listed. Just undo my notifications or I can take care of that step. LizRead!Talk!03:59, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
You do know, I hope, that empty categories are tagged for 7 days so there is no urgency to fill them. This form of deletion is really not "speedy". LizRead!Talk!04:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Yeah that's fair; while that may be true about C1, it does feel different seeing the notice posted in bold with multiple red exclamations. Certainly put some pep in my step to get it filled ASAP, regardless if there wasn't a time crunch! 😆 Utopes(talk / cont)04:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
(edit conflict)All good, I was just startled a bit haha. Starting going double-time to fill in the cats because I wasn't sure whether they'd be gone by the hour 😅. I've removed the tags and notifs now that the cats are populated, but I appreciate the offer; I think everything seems to be in order :) Cheers, Utopes(talk / cont)04:09, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
No, no, both PRODs and CSD C1 empty categories are tagged for 7 days just in case things like this happen. Many categories are only temporarily empty and then the tag is removed. We really shouldn't even call it "speedy" deletion. Really, don't feel any pressure, nothing is going to happen for a week and I'm sure they won't be empty that long. LizRead!Talk!04:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Can you help me for this? I believe the topic is fairly notable, and supporting reliable sources have not emerged during the discussion, what should I do in this case? Surə🗯14:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
Attention: Help please Liz G Cleary re: Dalai lama wikki page.
hi Liz maybe, you're just the right person:
Dear FMPT member. Please read understand this important message. If I can be of any further assistance, please e-mail.
250124. if you type Dalai Lama age 23 -in search engine Bing MS 10/11. The page that appears is, a different page to the page you open if, you type Dalai lama age (prompt/link - popup window - Dalai lama age. 23) if you click prompt you get:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalai_Lama
The 1st listing too appear - wiki. Dalai Lama. Has a bi-op paragraph that reads:
A February 2023 video shows the Dalai Lama in the city of Dharamshala, India, asking a boy for a kiss on the lips, and then to suck his tongue…. (sic.) 250124
As not using the link/prompt takes you to normal page -no probs.
Though factual, this Wikki post is malicious and, intended to be derogatory. The level of subterfuge involved has me concerned. As a practitioner I was grossly offended and still am.
Further research:
MS 11 Bing search: Dalia lama (prompt) 23 – prompt/ link - once again brings you through to this page.
Google chrome is clean – go figure.
Please comrade, we owe his HH a great debt and the dissemination of such obvious and offensive Hasbara I find concerning.
With a wish that FMPT will act promptly to address this issue please.
Sincerely. Graham RA Cleary.
gclearyoutlookcom
Melbourne. Aus.
Hi Liz - I notice that you have recently tagged around a hundred pages for speedy deletion. As you may be aware, the new Category page recently had a lengthy backlog (I think it was around 300-400, which took several weeks to clear). Tagging a category for speedy deletion within an hour of it being created isn't helpful - by definition there are at least 3 pages that can be added to the category, per the nomination. it could also be that the person nominating the category was away from Wikipedia for a few days, and it would be easy for them to come back and miss the whole thing, so that it's already deleted before they can start work. Please could you consider waiting a while longer before doing this in the future. 92.71.60.62 (talk) 10:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
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I don't understand why the article on Robert B. Martin was deleted. You all do not make things easy to look into. I have been editing it but now it is gone. Please help! SouthernDude67 (talk) 01:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
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I really don't understand how to contact you but can you please explain why the article on Robert B Martin Jr casting director was deleted by you? I've edited it a few times and all of the citations were correct. SouthernDude67 (talk) 01:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean. You deleted it on 1/24 I think. I thought I included the time stamp but doesn't look like I did. I think it was around 22:50 on that date. I'm looking for for the notification I got so maybe I can copy and paste it. It sure is difficult to try to do anything on here! SouthernDude67 (talk) 01:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
What I mean is give me a link to the deleted article. Like this [[Deleted article]]. Once I can get to the page, I can see who deleted it and why. I delete many pages every day, I don't want to scroll through hundreds of pages in my log pages to look for a page that was deleted at a specific time. You must know the name of the page if you are concerned about this. Thank you. LizRead!Talk!01:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
I gave the name of the page, Robert B. Martin Jr. I'm not sure how to find a link to something that isn't there. I was going to make some edits again and it was gone. It's also not easy to navigate or find information. I'm going am still looking for the date I saw that it was deleted. But, I also resubmitted for review on Friday. SouthernDude67 (talk) 01:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Oh, my, this is not that complicated! Given what you said, I looked at Robert B. Martin Jr. page (this is what I was asking for) but it is a redirect to Draft:Robert B. Martin Jr.. I don't see a deleted page, just a deleted redirect. The only content I see is at Draft:Robert B. Martin Jr.. I see no deleted article. If you can give me a link to a deleted article with some version of this name, you can provide it here. LizRead!Talk!01:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Well, yes, that is what I mean. But that is a broken link to a nonexistent page. Go to Robert b Martin Jr and there is no page there so there was never an article here. Go to Robert B. Martin Jr. and you can see in the pink deletion tag that there was an article here that was moved to Draft space and the main space page was deleted. I just realize though that maybe you are seeing this site on a mobile device and you may not be able to see all of this! LizRead!Talk!01:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz,
I'm on a computer. I am a novice at this. I can't find the entire thread I saw on Friday that led me to you, but I see this:
19:20, 25 January 2024 Rosguill talk contribs moved page Robert B. Martin Jr. to Draft:Robert B. Martin Jr. without leaving a redirect (Likely COI, resubmit through AfC Reason/s: possible COI) (revert) Tag: moveToDraft (thank).
I didn't move the page looks like someone else did. I'm not sure why it was tagged COI. A few months ago when it was approved, it was linked to another Robert B Martin ("Robert B. Martin" redirects here. For the American director, see Robert B. Martin (casting director). I sent a request to remove it from that guy so maybe that is what caused the problem? Really sorry if that was the reason. I didn't think it needed a redirect since the names were a different. I thought putting in Robert B. Martin Jr would go to him but it was going to that guy. SouthernDude67 (talk) 02:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Well, it comes down to this. I didn't delete any article with this title that I can see. No content has been deleted, you can find it at Draft:Robert B. Martin Jr.. The next step is to work on the draft, submit it to Articles for Creation when you think it is "ready" and, if you have a Conflict-of-interest, you need to declare it on your User page. It's better to be honest about this, it's not bad to have a COI if you disclose it but being a "undisclosed paid editor" can result in an indefinite block.
Now, if you have questions about working on this draft, I encourage you to visit the Teahouse and work with the helpful editors there and AFC has a Help Desk as well where you can get answers about getting a draft review. LizRead!Talk!02:14, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
OK thank you for the info. I couldn't find the "trail" that led me to you specifically but it was somewhere so perhaps it wasn't a deletion I saw. There were a lot of entries on it. I just assumed I was qualified to edit a lengthier article because I edited several others per the instructions on how to do that. I feared maybe that was the reason. Thanks again! SouthernDude67 (talk) 00:46, 1 February 2024 (UTC)
Restoring newly-deleted Category for re-listing at CFD?
Hi Liz - Could you possibly restore Category:Native American people from the San Francisco Bay Area, which you just deleted a few hours ago, so it can be re-listed at CFD? The reason I'm making this request at all is because I asked the Closing editor (User:Qwerfjkl), a couple of days ago to please re-list the CFD - which had no actual discussion - before it got listed for merging at WP:CFDW. I was dearly hoping to avoid having to go thru Deletion Review.
User:Qwerfjkl was good enough to tell me, "There is no rush; the category can always be restored. I am happy to reopen the discussion if you give a reason why it should be kept." I unfortunately construed that to mean that he/she would hold off putting it into the queue for merging long enough for me to put together a halfway decent explanation/rationale for keeping it. (Which took me longer than expected due to some urgent family issues I needed to attend to.)
Anyhow, I was literally about to share with User:Qwerfjkl the explanatory info that I've put together, when I discovered that, alas! - the category had already/just been deleted. <shakes head in dismay> Is there any way you can reverse this, given the circumstances - or do I have no choice but to go thru the whole bothersome process at Deletion Review??
Regards, Anomalous+0 (talk) 09:48, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
Hi again, Liz - I suspect you already know that User:Qwerfjkl went ahead and re-listed the category for further discussion. But I thought I should leave you a note, just in case... Best, Anomalous+0 (talk) 05:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I hope you are doing well. I would like to bring to your attention that I intended for a technical deletion rather than a redirection. To revert the title from 'Boughezoul–Laghouat Railway' to 'Boughezoul–Laghouat Line,' a move request was required. If possible, could you please remove the redirection and retain only 'Boughezoul–Laghouat Line'? Thank you. Regards. Riad Salih (talk) 05:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)
Could you please take a look at the editing history of this article which you deleted Apr 2023 as an abandoned draft?
It was moved from mainspace without any discussion, IIRC, so there's no trail to follow. I'd like to know the username who moved it, again IIRC, a UK-based editor, and also please check the talk page in case I'm not recalling accurately.
Okay, here's the abbreviated article page history. The draft article was first created in 2018, moved to main space and deleted after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caroline Henry. There was a discussion about a redirect that was deleted via Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 16#Caroline Henry. The last version of an article was created on May 8, 2021 by User:D.j.atherton. It was moved from main space to Draft space on September 18, 2021 by User:Scope creep with the edit summary Not ready for mainspace, incubate in draftspace. Effectively unsourced for a BLP. The last edit to the draft was on October 24, 2022 by User:Moondragon21 and I deleted this abandoned draft six months later on April 24, 2023 which is speedy deletion policy (CSD G13). I have no idea where any of these editors are based. You can make guesses based on the userboxes they display but many times those are out-of-date or reflect an editing interest and not the places where editors live.
But since this article was deleted as a CSD G13, you can go to WP:REFUND and request that it be restored. If it is, you should submit it to Articles for Creation for review and not simply move it to main space as it can otherwise be deleted, CSD G4, as an article recreated that was deleted through AFD. The AFC review will help guide you on how to avoid this outcome. I hope this helps. LizRead!Talk!20:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Many thanks - a bit more involved than I remembered! There is quite an important developing news story in England, and Caroline Henry's involvement (as a publicly-elected official) is just the latest development, so I'll keep an eye on it. There is a mention within an article, you can see it at University of Nottingham#June 2023 stabbings. regards, 82.13.47.210 (talk) 21:59, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
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Hi. I am not sure if this is the correct way to respond or not. On 1 November 2023 you edited my talk page and accused me of using multiple accounts. I am not intentionally doing that, but it appears there are two accounts, Padd13ear and Padd13ear (usurped), the latter of which was renamed from a former name. It seems I have unintentionally made some edits from one account and some from the other. I'm not sure how that has happened. Obviously, when I log in I give "Padd13ear" as my user name and not "Padd13ear (usurped)". Is there any way to merge the two accounts? Because that would be more satisfactory for all concerned. Sorry if I have unintentionally violated some policy, but I am doing my best.
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Hey there Liz, Hope you're doing great. Lately, I've noticed there are some administrators who are cracking down against editors working for Pakistani television series and films. They are assuming every other editor to be a sock of User:Nauman335 which I feel is quite unfair. Just because certain editors are interested in the similar articles that doesn't makes them sock. There should be clear investigation of the matter as they have blocked multiple users just on the basis of suspect. Kindly look into the matter as I'm concerned about the future edits I'll contribute cause eventually they'll be removed. My account has been blocked too the same way. Please look into this, I'll be grateful to you. Thanks ! 182.182.55.176 (talk) 19:23, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Do you have more than one account that has been blocked? If so, then you ARE a sockpuppet. Maybe not of Nauman335 but you are committing block evasion. Be honest and accept that you are responsible for that. In that case, stop editing and take advantage of the Standard Offer.
If you only have one registered account that is blocked, then please make an unblock request on that account's user talk page. First, read Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks which will tell you what is expected and what a reviewing administrator wants to hear and see from you. But it doesn't help if you are editing logged out. If you have lost talk page access, then try Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System. I hope this helps. LizRead!Talk!19:42, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
Request Undeletion of Saticöy (Musical Artist)
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Hello Liz! Thanks for reaching out to me last week or so about the concern with some of the CSD nominations of pages with incorrect parentheses. I responded a couple hours later at User talk:Utopes#WP:RFD; I'm not sure if you saw this, it's alright if not, but I was in full agreement with you re: the notion that "G6" should not be used as a "catch-all" criteria. To re-emphasize, I am completely with you that using G6 as a deletion-bypass / "just-delete-this-error button" can be a dangerous practice if due diligence is not maintained.
That all being said, I could very well be misinterpreting / poorly explaining this criterion, so hopefully you can help me out to see where things are going astray 😅. I talked about the exact wording of the G6 error message I've used for tagging, but what I was specifically looking at, from Template:db-error, is: "This may meet [the CSD criteria]... as a redirect left over from moving a page that was obviously created at the wrong title". For all of the pages I've put up for CSD in this batch (link), these have specifically been redirects that were created by way of page moves from obviously incorrect titles, moved at the same time as creation, and if the page existed at the title for ANY significant period longer than a day or so, I would nominate it for RfD (alongside the rest of the 50 bundled throughout the last few hours).
Thanks again for the heads-up and alerts about a potential awry situation. It's my absolute goal to ensure that the proper venues are used where appropriate, and wanted to ask about these. At the end of the day, it would have technically been a lot easier for me to mass-nominate at the RfD venue (and I would've been able to finish tonight 🫠), but instead I was thoroughly vetting out four different possibilities for every single redirect, which took me 2+ hours to put together the RfD in question. I've been checking for alternatives to deletion via movement at every juncture, been looking into the page histories and checking to see if G6 or G7 were applicable (many were, to my understanding. and tagged as such), confirming that links aren't breaking, that there's no valuable history (if there was history, I would forgo RfD entirely), and if it was a brand new page-creation at the title, I would nominate for RfD due to it being an intentional creation and NOT an error, meaning G6 wouldn't apply.
I thoroughly appreciate your time and energy for answering 🙏. Perhaps there is a silver lining as it'll simplify my workflow, (as I used to have RfD be a one-stop-shop for disambiguation-error cases like these) but I wanted to get your feedback on this (as well as my response to yours on my talk page) as it would have maybe saved a bit of time, haha. Happy editing! Utopes(talk / cont)07:44, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
Yes, I noticed that they happened at the same moment. I tend to be slow to block editors or, at least, start out with short blocks unless there is just a rampage of vandalism going on. I know many administrators are quicker to block than I am. I'm not going to judge your actions in this case.
But I meant to say "Hello" on your User talk page. I don't think I've run into you on my routine of work tasks on the project. You've been here much longer than I do so I probably have some things I could learn from you. Take care, LizRead!Talk!05:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
I've mostly stayed out of blocking people so far apart from a bunch of spam/promotional editing (I'm very new to the whole admin thing). I think it's worth considering that this specific case might have been a bit different as it wasn't quite as blatant as a lot of the stuff I was seeing in the CSD queue, it could have been a kid that was just obsessed about their favourite Minecraft channels. Maybe a bit more of a cautious approach would've been warranted, y'know? My concern was just the sheer scale and how they weren't slowing down, and there was another editor before you that tried to give similar advice. But I'm always willing to listen to other viewpoints. :)
I protected this article for 3 days. Unfortunately, this prevents you from editing as well. But maybe a cool-off period will stop the edit-warring. LizRead!Talk!05:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Can you file a new case at the SPI page? Or it might be helpful to contact a checkuser who might respond more quickly. I'll try to keep an eye on things when I get done with what I'm working on. LizRead!Talk!06:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello all...this doens't mean that I looked into the sock-issue, I just reinstated the draft to allow an AfC process to start. Lectonar (talk) 08:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
I’ve been pretty good, thank you. My mind has turned to my plans for spring on this warm February day. Hope all is well with you! Thriley (talk) 18:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Approval queue procedure?
Hi Liz -
You were so kind to help me figure out why I wasn't able to resubmit my Draft for review after further editing. I'm confident I have resolved all of the issues and properly cited sources and the subject does definitely meet the notability requirements. Thanks to you I was able to then re-submit my draft for review and when I did a few weeks ago it said it was taking 4 weeks because there were a number of submissions requiring review. Last week I checked again and it said 5 weeks. And now it says 6 weeks. But the number of submissions for review has barely changed? My question is, do the drafts get reviewed in the order that they were submitted? And every time I add/change a minor thing it gets bumped to the bottom? Or is it random selection for review and the time could just become longer and longer? Thanks for clarifying! Laynerosen (talk) 04:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
I assume you're discussing Draft:Romy Fay? I added a category to it that might attract reviewers who work on music articles. That might bring some attention. Unfortunately, there is no way to prompt your draft to the top of any pile because editing is a voluntary action and AFC reviewers pick among drafts they want to review. What interests one reviewer will not be interesting to other reviewers. Any most reviewers will not review drafts upon request.
I have noticed that really bad drafts get reviewed and declined quickly because they are easy to spot and rule on. When a draft has a lot of references that have to be checked, it can take time for a reviewer to get around to it because it will be more time-consuming. But I can say that statement and then come across an AFC reviewer who dives into those drafts. I do know we have a shortage of reviewers which is part of the reason for the long delays. And the fact that your draft has been declined several times already might discourage a reviewer from plunging in.
I don't mean these observations to discourage you. You just need to have some patience. The only action I can think of is to approach past AFC reviewers and DON'T ASK FOR THEM TO REVIEW your draft, just ask if your editing has resolved the problems they saw in their earlier review. They are likely to decline to review it again but they might be able to look it over and offer some helpful advice on whether you have addressed problems they saw. Sorry not to have a "magic pill" that can put your draft at the front of the line but we are all independent editors and to be honest, that line doesn't exist. There are just several dozens of AFC reviewers trying to help when and where they can. Good luck! LizRead!Talk!04:30, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Per your request at ICTF
@Liz. I replied to your request at WT:ICTF#Request about users adding themselves to film casts. I am unsure if you have pings enabled, so wanted to drop you a note here to refer you to my reply. Thank you. — Archer1234 (t·c) 05:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Redirection is prefered over deletion, so i chose to redurect these articles where I beleived it would be uncontroversial. Did you look at the reasons i cited for redirerction l? It would be interesting to hear your rebuttals. Anyways, as part of the unreferenced articles backdrive, I've cited far more articles then redirected, so your framing of the situation is deceptive. I won't try to change any of your reversion but since you believe the articles deserve to be on their own, you could at least help the drive and look for sources. Tooncool64 (talk) 16:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
If you want to redirect them again, I'm not going to stop you, but I'm not sure one person should be the judge, jury, and executioner on these 15+ year old articles. Thanks, ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:10, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
First, although Tooncool64 has recently become more active, they are not a brand new editor (if you are talking about what happened with This Is Pop Music). One of my regular tasks is tagging and deleting empty categories and many of them become empty when articles are converted into redirects and the categories are removed. This is despite the fact that redirects can have categories but typically the whole page is blanked. But it happens fairly regularly, especially by a few active editors. The action is called BLARring and you can find some information about the practice on that policy page.
I don't know any specific guideline against making this change but I do know that if BLARring is challenged by another editor, it should be reverted. Aside from becoming familiar with a few of the editors who regularly BLAR articles, I don't know of a way to track when this happens. My only other observation is that frequently, BLARring is done in response to a Proposed deletion tagging, editors who review PRODs find BLARring is preferable to article deletion, as Tooncool64 mentioned.
The good thing about BLARring is that it can easily be undone. Deletion can be undone, too, under certain circumstances, but you need to go to WP:REFUND or ask an admin for help. So, in one sense, it is better to convert an article to a redirect, at least until more sources can be found, rather than tagged for speedy deletion. All I can advise is to keep tabs on your Watchlist so you are aware when this happens to articles you are "following". I hope this helps. LizRead!Talk!05:18, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
To be honest, I was uncertain about some of these PRODs. Not including page numbers in a reference is not a valid rationale for article deletion. But these articles concerned a specific period of history in an area of the world where we don't have a lot of editors who are knowledgable about the military history to confirm and verify the sources provided, all of which were in old, foreign language books. If the information had been more easily verified, I would have untagged the articles. But, at least with PRODs, we can always restore the articles upon request.
I have wanted to post a notice on the WikiProject Military History talk page to ask about these regional battle articles. We seem to have acquired dozens of them over the past year and we don't have enough editors who can competently review them. This discussion will continue if the few editors who created them return to edit on the project. LizRead!Talk!05:27, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
You are absolutely right about these articles. Just to let you know about the whole process, i was uncertain about at least some of those pages too, that's why i raised my concerns about 4 months ago on my talk page and pinged some knowledgeable editors about that. One of them (HistoryofIran) shared my concerns about these articles. Thus i spent a lot of time in the last 4 months trying to check the sources, their quality, as well as what they say exactly. The lack of page number was not the only issue with those sources, i tried to be concise for the reviewing admin and left a short note in my PROD tag, but as you said, the sources were also exclusively in foreign language (Turkish) and it is a quite well-known fact that Turkish source suffer from some systemic biases, they were old, without page number and, often, misrepresented. That's why, after 4 months, i decided to tag those articles. I have no problem to continue this discussion with the relevant editors. Best.---Wikaviani (talk)(contribs)07:56, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
MfD:Akhand Bharat
Hello, Liz. I want to ask for your input about the (possible) proper course of action at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User Akhand Bharat, since you are completely uninvolved there. I started that MfD nomination on 21 January, and as you can see – the discussion is pretty stalled in recent days. Would it be justifiable to relist it, in order to get clearer consensus and just draw more attention to that discussion? Or maybe you have some other idea? Naturally, being the nominator and therefore an involved party there, I am refraining from taking any action by myself. — Sundostundmppria(talk / contribs)08:05, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
Its alright, Liz. I totally get that you are quite busy at times, being an admin here. So no wories about a latter reply... Yes, the issue is resolved – in the only appropriate way, IMHO. I am glad that we are on the same page, when it comes to userboxes of this kind (at least the majority of them are indeed controversial). — Sundostundmppria(talk / contribs)12:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Bluechair
Hello, I see that you've deleted the article Bluechair which now redirects to Shen (cartoonist). I see that the reason is that it does not contain encyclopedic content. However, there are many other articles about Webtoons that have not been deleted, so I would like to know how to retrieve it/plead my case to you or an admin. 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 16:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
First, I am an admin. Secondly, Bluechair wasn't an article I deleted, it was a simple redirect from main space to Draft space which we regularly delete as CSD R2s. So, no content was deleted, it was just a page with a link. The draft page it directed to, Draft:Bluechair, was deleted but you will have to talk to the admin who deleted that draft about page restoration. Since it was a CSD G13 deletion, you can also go to WP:REFUND and ask for it to be restored. I hope this helps. LizRead!Talk!06:49, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you are requesting for me to do. If you could provide a fuller explanation along with your signature, I'll know how to respond. LizRead!Talk!06:44, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
I can't speak for all administrators but it is not uncommon for an admin to tag an article for speedy deletion rather than deleting it themselves. I know for CSD A7, I like for another administrators to review the article and see if they agree with my assessment. There are some criteria, like G5, G10, G11, G7 or G12 which are straightforward. The pages ovviously meet the criteria. But assessing whether ot not there is a credible claim of significance to a article subject is a bit subjective so I like to get a second opinion. Personally, I think this is a good thing and I've seen other admins, some more experienced than I am, tag articles rather than deleting them. LizRead!Talk!06:43, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Are you sure? I don't see any undiscussed move of the article, and the sources support it being at Maria A.... The recent moves were of redirects with the typo "Eleanora". PamD06:29, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
To be honest, no, I'm not sure. It's just that yesterday I encountered a new editor who was moving a lot of articles to page titles that were shorter versions of the original page name. So, if the individual was named Susannah Abbott Cooper, they'd move it to Susannah Cooper just because it was shorter, not because that's the name that was used in the sources. And when they moved all of these articles, they wouldn't change the content of the article to indicate that a different name was being used. So, I've been looking at some of their many article page moves and if, in the article, the individual is identified as Susannah Abbott Cooper, I've moved it back from Susannah Cooper. But I'm not looking into every single source so there might be a lack of agreement on the subject's name. If you disagree, feel free to move it back. But when I looked over this editor's page moves, it looks like they were just moving articles to eliminate middle names or initials or maiden names when this might be how the subject was identified.
Does this make sense? I watch the Move log a lot and I've found that many new editors are emboldened by the ability to move articles/pages and go a little overboard without due consideration of whether or not an article should actually be moved. I then see a lot of veterans doing "Revert undiscussed moves" in response. LizRead!Talk!06:38, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
But in this case I can't see any move, undiscussed or other, before yours. The redirects were moved because they used a typo of "Eleonara". PamD06:43, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
But also, someone will always be identified in the lead by their fullest name and there is nothing in an article to indicate which version they commonly used, so the choice of article title isn't obvious from the content but will usually be shorter than what is in the lead. PamD06:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
I've moved it back to the shorter title, but I'm still puzzled because I can't see the move you say you were reverting. PamD07:25, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
Well, PamD, there is some information on the page history of a different redirect Eleonara Amalia Maria Adelborg about that page being moved but it turns out I thought I was reverting a move that actually didn't happen! I know that I was looking at the Move log and saw a new editor moving a lot of articles with moves that didn't seem based in naming guidelines. So, I reverted some of the bad page moves and I guess I mistakenly thought this one was part of that moving binge. I see that you had some history with this article subject so I guess it is one your Watchlist. Thank you for catching my error. LizRead!Talk!01:28, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz, I was watching this Afd but forgot to vote. I think the subject meets notability as an author. Could you put the now deleted article into draft so I can improve it? Thank you, Thriley (talk) 00:58, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
I think you'd have some success if you approached the admin who closed the AFD discussion. I don't feel comfortable restoring the article without you asking them first. See what they say and come back to me if they decline your request. Thanks. LizRead!Talk!01:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Somewhat puzzled about long-standing articles being re-named by a fairly new editor
Title says it all. Some of their renaming might be "according to Hoyle" (and maybe even Wikipedia lol) but some...well, two specifically that I have noticed - the Eliza Park Custis Law article being changed to Eliza Law and Loris Ohannes Chobanian's article being changed to Loris Chobanian...that's a Nope from me, but maybe I'm wrong. I had noticed you recently posted on their user talk about some previous renaming (when I posted on their user talk about Eliza after I posted on the now Talk:Eliza Law). Would welcome your thoughts. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 06:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
I stand by Chobanian change 100% but possibly Eliza Parke Law ([5]) would be better in the other case. In any event, shouldn't this go to ANI if there is a serious question, not a forum-shopped tete-a-tete? Nirva20 (talk) 17:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
I was asking for advice on how to handle something that I was puzzled about. I reserve ANI for serious situations where an editorial consensus seems improbable and working together has come to a standstill. I posted on the article talk and also posted my concerns to your user talk. Sorry you feel that asking here on how to best proceed is forum-shopping. I thought maybe I was missing something and that I could be wrong that's all. Shearonink (talk) 19:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
This will be tricky to reconstruct. I just deleted a whole lot of circular redirects from all of these page moves. It's a bit late here so give me some time to track down the final destination of the page involved in the AFD. Thank you. LizRead!Talk!06:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz - hope you are well. My name is Natalie from Analiize agency and I am representing the Northern Reflections clothing brand. We noticed the brand page was shut down by yourself. I understand your reasoning. The brand has a rich history in the Canadian retail landscape. To avoid further issues with the page, we would like to incorporate the full legal business name which is Northern Reflections Ltd. Would it be possible to restore the page with the legal business name? Please let me know. Thank you in advance. Analiize (talk) 02:49, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
I have removed the {{proposed deletion/dated}} tag from Miss Caraïbes Hibiscus, which you proposed for deletion. (some coverage found in brief search; maybe more available; perhaps notable - needs further checking). If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add {{proposed deletion}} back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! Rupples (talk) 22:08, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Well, thanks for letting me know. I really didn't think there was much supporting this article but I guess you found some sources establishing notability. And, I know not to replace a PROD tag. Thank you. LizRead!Talk!06:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
Yes of course. Guess I should have tailored a personal message, given your experience. Poor form on my part. Haven't noticed you closing so many AfDs recently, well at least the few I contribute to. In the early days of my looking at AfDs you were (and still are) an inspiration in helping me to consider and look for alternatives to deletion> Thank you for that. Rupples (talk) 08:10, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
On 14 January 2023, you deleted Draft:Warren C. Trenchard. I would like to resume working on this draft. Please restore the draft. Thank you.Wctrenchard (talk) 06:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
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I'm only able to see a single revision in the history from you (which has caused the article to be autopatrolled), but I believe the page was draftified at the same time by Pppery, which somehow caused the revision history to split? Anyways, I believe the mainspace page should probably now be deleted under CSD G6. Let me know what you think! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Well, that does look confusing. Going into the page log, I can see that you are right, at the same time I was removing a CSD tag from the page, Pppery was moving the article to Draft space. I guess because I edited and removed the tag, when I saved the page, it resaved the old version of the article that Pppery had moved. This has happened to me a couple of times, where I have edited an article at the same time that another editor/admin had deleted, moved or edited the page. It's confusing when it happens.
I removed the CSD tag because the editor who tagged it was asking for it to be draftified, not deleted, so I advised them to draftify the article which apparently Pppery did for them. I hope these explains things. I often thought if I had a magic power to grant all editors a privilege, it would be to see deleted edits, it would help explain a lot of edits that are made. I hope this helps. LizRead!Talk!06:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Kindly unprotect Bahari Ibaadat
HI @Liz, hope this message finds you well. I have noticed that an article I created few years ago has been deleted and protected by you for repeatedly recreated of the article. I kindly need your help to unprotect the article so that I recreate the article based on the Wikipedia policies and guidelines. FYI I am not sure who and why someone repeatedly tried to recreated the article.
Another administrator, Materialscientist, protected Bahari Ibaadat after the article was recreated again so you'd have to ask them about this. I'd advise you to create a draft article at Draft:Bahari Ibaadat and submit it for AFC review. You will need to do this any way as the article was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bahari Ibaadat (2nd nomination). If you had a main space article that resembled the previous article, it would be tagged for speedy deletion, CSD G4. The only way I know of overcome an AFD deletion decision is to work on a draft and submit it to AFC. The AFC reviewer will make sure it doesn't have the same problems as the article that was deleted through the AFD.
The only other approach you could take if you don't want to go ask Materialscientist, is to go to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection and ask for the page protection to be reduced. While it is a lot more work to craft an excellent draft article, I don't think you wil have success asking for a reduction in page protection unless you have a very good reason for why this should be done. And the admin responding there will probably tell you exactly what I've just told you.
Hello @Liz, Thank you so much for the quick reply and very helpful information and guidance. I will take the first approach and will create a draft article and will submit it for AFC. Kind Regards @ahmadi.afgahmadi.afg (talk) 07:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Poor wording on my part on my ANI case
Sorry about that, and (genuinely) thank you for pointing it out so I could correct it. I didn't think it would be interpreted like that, as I'm not acquainted with any admins personally. It wasn't meant to be read as "I don't know any (admins I can trust)", but rather, "I don't consider myself acquainted with any admins, and therefore I don't know who to go to who would be willing to act." DarmaniLink (talk) 04:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
I'm very sorry about that comment, I clearly took the remark personally which was not very helpful for you and your problem. That is why I removed it immediately so I don't know how you tracked it down in the page edit history.
Regarding your opinion, I don't know if there are any admins you can be sure will act on your complaint. They try to see the big picture and it could be that you are partially responsible for the situation that has developed. There are a few exceptions to this, there are some editors who are experts at spotting sockpupets and they work more closely with admins who are checkusers because their observations have proven to be helpful. But I don't think there are any editors or admins who could come to me and say, 100%, "Block this editor" or "Delete this page" and I would follow their request without investigating it. And, to be honest, I think that is the way things should work. We are, after all, volunteers just like you and work on tasks that appeal to us. When I started editing 10 years ago, there were a lot more admins visiting ANI and responding to problems but things were an absolute zoo back then and while it might take longer for an admin to come by and address your concern, I don't think we should ever go back to the days when a mob of ANI regulars determined what should happen to an editor(s). Things were brutal and cliquish and I'm glad the noticeboards have calmed down enough that we are seeking more participation. When I have a moment, I'll revisit your case and see if there is anything I can do to actually help. LizRead!Talk!05:01, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
(I got a notification for it since I subscribed to the thread.) Really, no big deal at all. I don't hold it against you at all, and given the implication, you had every right to take it how you did.
I asked in the wiki discord for a lighter option, and got told to go to ANI or AE by an on-site admin there and that those were basically my options if I didn't know an admin outright. Basically, the lighter options were there but are long gone, so, that may have contributed. Thank you, as well :) DarmaniLink (talk) 05:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Asking for help
After this discussion with Nirva20 about their recent renaming of Elizabeth Parke Custis Law to Eliza Law - we've reached a consensus about moving the title back. I would like to move ahead and revert this article back to its original title for the reasons I have stated at Nirva20's user talk and also my post at the article talk: Renaming this article. I almost never move articles so this is the thing...is it too much for me to ask you to do all the moves? If you'd rather not, I'll go ahead and perform the moves myself but then I would also ask you to please check my work - Because of my "un-expertise" I am concerned that I will probably miss associated Wiki-bits & pieces. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 14:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
I moved the article back to the original name, per WP:COMMONNAME etc. I think all the redirects tech stuff is taken care of, please check my work if you have time (lol no time I know...) Shearonink (talk) 17:56, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
I noticed you declined the speedy deletion of this article. However, the AFD shows that the author (who I've indeffed for creating another hoax) posted about his hoaxes on a magic forum. Do you mind if this page gets deleted? Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Well, the article has been deleted so the question is moot. Regarding MY handling of this article, it was confusing because it had both a PROD and a CSD tag on the page and I was trying to respond to both. I didn't know anything about other forums. I think there are some problems with analyzing an "obvious hoax", I didn't think it was obvious but clearly another administrator did so they carried out the deletion.
I'm sure it is not comforting to regular editors to know this (if they haven't already observed it), but carrying out or declining CSD requests has an element of subjectivity. I usually don't feel strongly about having a difference of opinion from another administrator but occasionally I challenge a decision that is opposed to what I would do. There is clearly more to this article and situation than I was aware of when I reviewed it so I'm happy to defer to another admin. LizRead!Talk!01:14, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Valid reason to depopulate a category?
Hi Liz, only a few minutes ago you alerted me that a category I created, Category:Noah Kahan albums, had been depopulated and was tagged for speedy deletion. Do you, in your experience creating and managing categories, think this editor's reasoning ("not necessary") is valid? Is there any guideline against having a category for one or two pages, particularly if it's "[artist] albums" and the category has more than one page in it? Ss11221:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
We have a bit of a problem here. It is against policy to empty categories "out of process" but it happens all of the time, every day. Editors who work with categories do it regularly even though it is discouraged. If it's part of a "recategorization", and articles are being resorted, it's understandable but if it's just an editor emptying a category because it's a small category (which is usually the situation), just approach them and challenge their editing decision. If challenged, they should back down, if they don't, then get a third party like me to intervene.
So, there is "policy" and "practice" and they do not always coincide, unfortunately. It's discouraging for me in the past to post warning notices on the user talk page of experienced editors who should know better, knowing that they probably won't change but it takes an awful lot of incontrovertible evidence to warrant a visit to WP:ANI. I've found rather than trying to change the behavior of veteran editors, it's easier to handle each situation as it arises. Are you still getting pushback about Category:Noah Kahan albums? LizRead!Talk!01:04, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello Liz,
I began a draft in 2019 without the full understanding that it could be deleted over the years to free up server space. I recently asked to have it undeleted and the content is no longer there in a draft. Are you at all able to see if Mike Roche TSOl (Musician) has any content left? I'm devasted that everything is lost. Please help in any way you can. Kindly, Tracy TVaughanSoCal (talk) 22:54, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
Can you provide me with a link to the deleted article? Then I can see why it was deleted and provide you with a response. Thank you. LizRead!Talk!00:46, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Ms. Liz. Before I get banned, can I know why those two articles were removed? I know about Draft: The Battle of Kradnohorivka, but why was the article "Alley of Angels" removed, which is why I rained a barrage of insults on this site and all the administrators on the page, and therefore I expect a new ban? — Baba Mica (talk) 00:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
I can see that this is a matter that is very important to you but I'm coming from a place of not knowing anything about your situation. First, can you provide me with links to the article pages of the articles you are concerned about? Don't just give me their name but a link to the page would be helpful. Then I can see why they were deleted and be able to respond to you.
I don't know anything about you being banned but just know that editors can get their share of template messages or warning messages to alert them to problems without being on the verge of actually being blocked. More specifics would help here. Thank you. LizRead!Talk!00:51, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi! Hope you had a great day and weekend if you had a long one. I know you declined this speedy since the CU can't tie the IP to the blocked account. In an effort to stop the incessant disruption and save @CNMall41:'s sanity, I've move protected it. That way if there is a non sock who establishes notability, an AfC or other established editor can process it. Does this work for you? CNM, you'll see I speedied a couple of others that weren't declined and took care of one. Let me know if you think move protection is needed for Draft:Khaie (TV series)? Liz, I temporarily "solved" the latter with rev del. Thanks both! StarMississippi00:09, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks @Star Mississippi:. I believe Liz made the right call on a technical basis. It worked out as the edit history shows some more experienced users invovled which I emailed CU main email about (I am sure it hasn't been checked yet as they seem super busy). I am also not sure if protecting the titles will help as they simply recreate under disambiguations. They also know the "technical" decline of G5 so are creating pages through IP addresses. I am just thankful to stop the flow when we can and put a dent in their business. Appreciate you both and will follow whatever lead you all take in the matter. --CNMall41 (talk) 01:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Yep. That's why I'm just move protecting. Less whack a sock. I think I'm watching enough of the recent targets I should catch them early.
Was about to drop a note on your talk, but since we're here @CNMall41, try G6 for the Talk pages. I think the IP reverting you was a sock anyway, but since Talk pages aren't DABs, I think it's simpler for reviewing admins to use G6/8. That's just my .02, you can of course handle however you please as you're not wrong. I think the SPI backlog hit the US long weekend but should be sorted soon. StarMississippi01:37, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. I'll do whatever is easiest for an admin to see and take action on. I was also thinking of throwing myself on the clerk sword if you think it would help out at SPI but not sure if you are full up or not. --CNMall41 (talk) 01:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
I'm not a CU or clerk, but from what I understand they definitely need more help.
I just followed the SPI when you flagged it somewhere last week and I had a feeling we'd find friends. I'll duck block at times, but that one needed CU eyes. I'm always happy to do the cleanup. I think I got it all and am about to log off for the evening but if you see any lingering feel free to drop a list on my Talk and I'll get them if my fellow TPSers don't by morning. Thanks as always for the eyes on NPP/AfC. StarMississippi02:00, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Sorry I dragged you down the hole. lol. You did great and I appreciate your eyes on it. I will reach out with any DUCKS but I do think the private evidence I emailed will need a CU as it is likely going to yield a ton of accounts, some of which are active AfC reviewers which is quite sad.--CNMall41 (talk) 09:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
You're right. Sometimes they are category redirects of category redirects and I don't correct them like I do other types of broken redirects that are the result of a page move. The other editor I know who also checks for broken category redirects is Explicit so you might share this warning with them as well. I'll try to do better. Thanks. LizRead!Talk!01:26, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks, Liz. Redirects of redirects should also be updated rather than deleted for former names e.g. players by team /alumni by college, since we anachronistically merge /rename these to the current name rather than keep all the historically accurate categories. – FayenaticLondon09:50, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz
I'm sorry about that request I made. I'm not trying to change the genres as a jerk, I'm just trying to change them with help. I've been on Wikipedia for months and I'm still a little confused. The reason why I put sourced genres over the category that doesn't have is because there's no source for the category. Like in my Russians by Sting edit. I'm not trying to disruptive, I'm just trying to be helpful. Sorry about saying that you can't do this to me. Iamthegoat524 (talk) 01:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for the apology. I think what most new editors don't realize is that communicating and working with your fellow editors is almost as important as the edits you are making. Most editors (most but not all!) come to your User talk page to point out problems that need to be addressed, not to just be jerks. And what all longtimers here know is what Wikipedia requires the most is enthusiastic, competent editors. Since there are always editors who decide to move on or get busy with offline life, we have an ongoing need for new editors every year to keep the project going. So, if you are making a mistake, the typical solution is for a more experieced editor is to say, "Please don't do X, we need you to start doing Y and Z". They point out the problem and, hopefully, the policy or guidelines that describes the correct approach. Because what we want is not to block editors but to help editors improve their skills. But if an editor isn't paying attention, sometimes a brief block is imposed just to draw their attention to the problem.
So, it's important to pay attention to User talk page messages even if they are critical. Heck, I've been editing regularly for over 10 years now and I still get editors coming to MY user talk page indicating some mistake I've made or a problem I've overlooked. And you might spot an error that another editor has made! It's not always pleasant to hear but it's how we all improve our skills and make the project better. But it's also why "Civility" is one of the Five Pillars on Wikipedia, when you have so much critique going on, kindness, patience and being articulate is required, not to drop a hammer on an editor...this is a writing project, not law enforcement.
As far as musical genres, there is a long-standing history for years of "genre warriors" arguing about the correct genre a song or artist should be classified as which have resulted in endless edit-warring. So, there is more policy surrounding this style guideline than other stylistic issues. It's an aspect of musical articles that some longtime editors keep tabs on so you kind of wandered into a minefield. I hope the editors who approached you have properly explained the problem to you and how genres work on this project. If you have any questions about editing on Wikipedia or interpersonal problems arise, I recommend taking them to the Teahouse as your first step. Thanks again for the apology. LizRead!Talk!01:23, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. I've left them a note saying that if this didn't stop, they'd receive another block for a week or longer. Consider that a final warning. LizRead!Talk!19:13, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz, I created Draft:Sara Fishko a while ago and it was deleted. A COI editor has recently created a draft for the same subject. Could you restore my old draft so I can consult it for content? Thanks, Thriley (talk) 03:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
Done I'm familiar with Sara Fishko from when I lived in New Jersey, she was a big presence on our local NPR station WNYC. Good luck. LizRead!Talk!03:56, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
and I have protected it since I'm pretty sure this is the same editor who was previously editing as an IP and doesn't quite understand notability. StarMississippi16:41, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
About Poland settlement AfDs
Hi Liz, I failed to give consideration to deletion alternatives for a series of AfDs. I highly doubt that any significant discussion will result from them, and I think straightforward redirects would be more productive (given the lack of any sourceable information or data to add to the pages that a simple list wouldn't resolve). The AfDs without any votes are:
I'll get to it. I try to stay on top of archiving but this User talk page sees more traffic than you might expect. By the way, where can you see that my talk page is over 400K bytes? Can you provide me with a link? Thank you. LizRead!Talk!05:31, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi Liz, I noticed that you removed my CSD tags from Draft:Anders Holmer & Draft:SM Culture Partners, as they are redirects. However, my understanding was that WP:G3 includes redirects created as a result of cleaning up page-move vandalism. For context, these draftspace redirects were created as a result of improper draftifications of established articles ([12], [13]) by an editor who was also creating baseless AfDs at breakneck speed (all of which have since been nuked - see ANI thread for reference). These articles have never been in draft-space, so I believed it would be in keeping with WP:DENY to tag the redirects created by reverting their moves for deletion.
Hello Liz, that redirect has now been deleted by JBW. Because of this, I was wondering if you would mind if I retagged the remaining two redirects for speedy deletion. All the best, —a smart kitten[meow]18:02, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello Liz, The deleted draft article was formerly included as a section of the Datalog article. It was deleted on 2 March 2023, and started as a separate draft article. I would like to restore the section, but including and changes made by the author of the draft. If you can restore the draft, I will copy it and add it back to the main Datalog article, where it can be further improved. Many thanks. Robert Kowalski (talk) 12:51, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
I have gone back into the history of edits to the Datalog article, and restored the deleted material, without the edits in the separate, deleted draft article. Robert Kowalski (talk) 12:33, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
Thanks. I had seen it, and felt that the requestor's of course. settled the issue. I thought the G4 was not warranted, but I agree with your point about article and draft duplication. Jay 💬06:34, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Unsourced page in mainspace
Hey there, Liz. The page which you moved to draftspace, Draft:Chung Shu-ming, had no sources. Apparently, the user who created that page decided to add another one, Chung Shu-ming, to the article mainspace, which I feel is technically a cut-and-paste since they decided to add the page there. Can you delete that page on the mainspace? NoobThreePointOh (talk) 14:07, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
Please see the message that I placed on your User talk page. I retagged one of the drafts but I'm not sure that I did so properly. LizRead!Talk!03:31, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
Hey, I've retagged them now. Turns out you were right, {{db-gs}} does support the CTOP topic code, so I've added that one instead with the correct code. Sideswipe9th (talk) 03:38, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
International Women’s Day Wikipedia Edit-a-Thon, Sunday, March 10
The Oregon Jewish Museum and Center for Holocaust Education (OJMCHE), in partnership with social practice artist Shoshana Gugenheim and as part of the Art+Feminism Project, will host an International Women's Day Wikipedia Edit-a-thon to edit and/or create Wikipedia articles for Jewish women artists. The event will be held at the museum on Sunday, March 10 from 11am-3pm PDT. Pre-registration is preferred but not required. Members of the public are invited to come to the museum to learn about the editing process, its history, its impact, and how to do it. We aim to collaboratively edit/enter Jewish women artists into the canon. An experienced regional Wikipedian will provided will be on site to teach, support, and guide the process. Participants can select artists ahead of time or on site.
Hello everyone, and welcome to the 24th issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter, covering all our favorite new and updated user scripts since 24 December 2021. Uh-huh, we're finally covering the good ones among the rest! Aren't you excited? Remember to include a link in double brackets to the script's .js page when you install the script, so that we can see who uses the script in WhatLinksHere! The ScriptInstaller gadget automatically does this. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
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Hi Liz, the issue is not that a page needs to be moved to that title, but rather that the article space page should be deleted because a much more developed draft already exists here. I tried to draftify the existing one-line stub but it wouldn't let me because of the other draft. The only other option would be to perform a round-Robbin move but when one version is clearly far superior like here I thought it would just be easier to delete the one-liner (and merge it into the preexisting draft if applicable/appropriate). Taking Out The Trash (talk) 03:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Sorry for the belated response. Admins differ on how they handle these situations but, for me, I won't delete a main space article for the reasons of CSD G6 until I view the page an editor wants to move to that article title and see that it is an improvement over the existing article. That's why I untagged the page which looks like it has now been deleted. However, as I think I said in my edit summary, just use Twinkle and select CSD>G6 Move and put the article/draft title you want moved in the field for that criteria. Then, an admin can quickly view both pages and act on the request or decline it with an explanation. I have seen instances where a draft creator requested CSD G6 page deletion of a main space page for a draft that has only received AFC declines and in that case, deletion would not be appropriate until the draft has been acceptance or approval. LizRead!Talk!01:14, 2 March 2024 (UTC)
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Done Restoring a draft deleted by the request of the page creator is an easy thing for an admin to do! But there is an AFC tag from a submission in August 2023 that you might want to remove unless you want it to be reviewed immediately. I hope this helps. Liz Read! Talk! 21:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
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