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Administrators' newsletter – January 2024
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2023).
Administrator changes
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Arbitration
- Following the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been appointed to the Arbitration Committee: Aoidh, Cabayi, Firefly, HJ Mitchell, Maxim, Sdrqaz, ToBeFree, Z1720.
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Lex Fridman protection
[edit]You are mistaken. The editors being shut out are the ones trying to fix what they consider BLP violations. My opinion is that they should be heard because there haven't been substantial discussions on the talk page, and so what they want removed, though they come with inline citations, don't come with solid prior consensus for inclusion. You can still shut them out if you so choose, but it is factually incorrect to say they are committing BLP violations. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 05:12, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the assessment. I'll give this another look. BusterD (talk) 05:17, 6 January 2024 (UTC)
Jimmy Saville talk page
[edit]I recently removed several comments from Talk:Jimmy Saville and requested page protection for repeated requests that are already explained by the FAQ. I was rejected and my edits were reverted on the basis that my actions were not in line with WP:TPO. While some of the comments I originally removed were legitimate good-faith requests this restored section strikes me as not really meaningfully different from trolling or WP:FORUM. As for page protection I don’t really get why that was rejected in the first place— making repetitive edit requests that are explicitly and clearly stated to be non-actionable, even if in good faith, is disruptive because it wastes editor time and could be solved non-intrusively with simple page protection. I was wondering on whether you could give a second opinion on this situation. Dronebogus (talk) 08:08, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for your question and I appreciate your bringing it to me. I'm wondering why you aren't having this discussion with the admin who disagreed with you, but I'm always willing to help you with feedback, Dronebogus. I know you're trying to be helpful. I suspect User:Jauerback would say something much like I will: 1) protecting talk pages is something I do rarely and when doing so, always with regret, 2) in general clerking talk page discussions is something most editors should avoid, 3) once reverted by any admin (or by any editor for that matter), it is usually a mistake to reinstall your edit without discussion especially when you are certain of the correctness of your position. For my part, if any user wants to say something which makes them look unserious on talk, I'm inclined to let other talk page readers make their own personal assessment. Sysops aren't here to enforce opinions, merely civility. The talk thread which troubled you is borderline, I agree. But if I'd been the admin responding to your request for page protection, it's likely I would have made the same moves as Jauerback. BusterD (talk) 12:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for explaining it better than I could have. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 13:39, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Because I do care about retaining a contributor like yourself, and since you brought this issue to me, I'm going to expound about my approach, purely as constructive feedback. Dronebogus, I think you are useful contributor. You comprehend what we're trying to do here and you care about how readers might see the pedia. You have good eyes and a healthy sense of humor. Thank you. We need more editors like you. Seriously.
- Let me explain from my point of view how you hurt your own cause: WP:BOLD is all about pagespace. On articlespace, it's important to allow even the newest editors to edit boldly. In pagespace new editors bring us a couple of irreplaceable values: 1) a fresh approach, not hamstrung by many years of dealing with disruption, and 2) an entirely new human being who might become a longterm editor like yourself. We want a clash of their ideas on the page, because there are lots of smart people out there who might have something unique to say. I want to hear their ideas, even if twisted and totally wrong. Reversion is cheap. Editors like you and I will come behind and cleanup any misdeeds or misinterpretations in articles. But I want new folks to edit pagespace BOLDLY.
- In talkspace I also expect BOLD. I'd rather allow the user to say how they feel, what they're thinking. I almost never edit another in talkspace because rarely do such edits rise to such a level where they must be changed by another. PLUS, I want others to follow the discussion (perhaps years after) as it occurred, so the reader may follow the outcome and the process. When we choose to hat, close, or blank talk discussions, we are changing what the future reader might see. (and we're steering discussion, which is usually a bad idea) Administrators might need to see the individual edits in order to make a determination or assessment. It is easier to follow an unedited discussion as opposed to reading each diff. An edited discussion throws up many red flags for me, and I trust the discussion less when somebody has tried to clean it up. IMHO, this is why striking through is often superior to blanking, because the striker gets to decide what the reader will see unstruck.
- As a sysop on English Wikipedia, I'm responsible for moving disagreement forward; that's what I am expected to do. Smart people often disagree. In pagespace, I'm counting on contributors' agency and willingness to solve most problems. I don't have to be everywhere, somebody like you will solve the problem without my help. In talkspace, BOLD has a lesser application. We don't normally edit anybody's talk contributions; we want to read about each editor's full opinion (even when foolish or disqualifying).
- There's a scene in The Matrix where Cypher talks to Neo about the display, "You get used to it, I don't even see the code, All I see is blond, brunette, redhead". This is what an admin does. There are too many decisions by others going on; you can't look at it all without being overwhelmed. I have to trust all editors are all working like I am (like you are) for a positive outcome. It becomes simple to identify most bad doers quickly, because you've got eyes where I'm not looking, I trust you, and you will say something. BusterD (talk) 15:05, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for explaining it better than I could have. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 13:39, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
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Request for undeletion
[edit]Hello. I'm the new Wikimedian-In-Residence for m:AfroCreatives WikiProject. We're reworking the campaign and would love to restore this Portal:African cinema/Selected picture/Layout part of the African cinema which you deleted at 16:00 on 11 July 2023. Thank you. Ceslause (talk) 14:06, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
Thanks...
[edit]for the correction at the User:Worm That Turnedtalk page regarding the EOTW award. You are most kind. It's good to know that I have developed from being incorrigible to being inimitable. Buster Seven Talk (UTC) 06:15, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
- I see nothing incompatible between them, brother Buster7. BusterD (talk) 13:27, 15 January 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:2024 administrative elections proposal – could use some feedback :)
[edit]I've been working on a draft RfA elections proposal – I opposed when this came up in 2021, but I've come to feel differently about why RfA doesn't work and how it can be fixed. I wonder if you might have any ideas on how to make it better :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the invite and I have done some reading. Will discuss. BusterD (talk) 12:48, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- Has there been a prior discussion about victory conditions? What is a healthy number of admins? How many a year is an appropriate number to expect? Twenty a year? Eighty? Our pass/fail rate? I know we've had a bunch of prior talk. Answer this for me. What would a happy situation for the community look like? I'm talking specifically about appropriate staffing. What do we need? Somebody at the Foundation has surely been talking about this, min-maxing the numbers. The internet has changed and through our inaction we have inadvertently made adminship a big deal. Rainbow & jellybeans allowed, what would the wiki-world look like, admin-wise? BusterD (talk) 13:03, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
- I have two end goals in mind, either of which would be a win. The first would be reversing the downward trend of the number of admins. The second goal, which also serves as a threshold goal for the first, would be to make an RfA envrionment that is more focused, civil, and encouraging. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 01:22, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
- Has there been a prior discussion about victory conditions? What is a healthy number of admins? How many a year is an appropriate number to expect? Twenty a year? Eighty? Our pass/fail rate? I know we've had a bunch of prior talk. Answer this for me. What would a happy situation for the community look like? I'm talking specifically about appropriate staffing. What do we need? Somebody at the Foundation has surely been talking about this, min-maxing the numbers. The internet has changed and through our inaction we have inadvertently made adminship a big deal. Rainbow & jellybeans allowed, what would the wiki-world look like, admin-wise? BusterD (talk) 13:03, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
Antietam
[edit]Not sure why I didn't let you know earlier but - if you're seeing a ton of heavy editing on the Antietam article - Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Battle of Antietam/1 was opened and I'm leading an effort to try to save GA status. Hog Farm Talk 14:30, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- It was a longtime FA. You just showed why it needs help; it has 2000's-era sourcing. Made me perform a search on necrometrics.com. 90 appearances. The author Matthew White is a published author but his website is merely an aggregator of other known reliable sources. This has no place in our sourcing. I'm going to take a weed whacker to all those links in pagespace (about half) right now. BusterD (talk) 14:38, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
- This may take longer than I hoped. While the source may be quickly removed from some pages, it's apparently an anchor for some mass-casualty pages, with twenty or more uses in the article. I'll find something else I can utilize. Got me doing page work, though, so that's good. BusterD (talk) 16:15, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
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Administrators' newsletter – February 2024
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2024).
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- An RfC about increasing the inactivity requirement for Interface administrators is open for feedback.
Technical news
- Pages that use the JSON contentmodel will now use tabs instead of spaces for auto-indentation. This will significantly reduce the page size. (T326065)
Arbitration
- Following a motion, the Arbitration Committee adopted a new enforcement restriction on January 4, 2024, wherein the Committee may apply the 'Reliable source consensus-required restriction' to specified topic areas.
- Community feedback is requested for a draft to replace the "Information for administrators processing requests" section at WP:AE.
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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:American Revolutionary War portal
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A tag has been placed on Category:American Revolutionary War portal indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.
If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz Read! Talk! 01:23, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Philippine Airlines fleet page issue
[edit]Hey mate, it's me! Look, I think I'm gonna made an edit war but this user still making disruptive edit behavior. I already left the talk message about this issue. Hoping to help me to resolve this issue. Thanks!! Cornerstone2.0 (talk) 17:15, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue 214, February 2024
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Paula Vennels Talkpage
[edit]Thank you for your reversion. I do think that IP, and the other(s?) they are using is going to need a block. When they were just ranting about the supposed illegitimacy of the king’s marriage, they were merely a nuisance, but they are now ramping up their disruptive activity. Thanks and regards. KJP1 (talk) 13:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- Appreciate your stopping by. Doing this reading right now. I didn't understand the sudden escalation. There's unnatural chatter around this page. BusterD (talk) 13:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
- If one was in a sympathetic frame of mind, I’d say they were unwell. But they are also becoming rather disruptive. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 13:44, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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Request to Restore Previous Version of Operation Valuable Page
[edit]Dear Buster D,
I hope this message finds you well. I'm writing to request your assistance regarding theOperation Valuable page.
Recently, there have been some edits made to the page by a user who is suspected sockpuppet. These edits have significantly altered the content and may not accurately reflect the original information or consensus of the community.
Before any further action is taken, I kindly request that the previous version of the page, before the sockpuppet's edits, be restored. This will help maintain the integrity of the page until a resolution is reached regarding the disputed edits.
I understand the importance of maintaining accuracy and neutrality on Wikipedia, and I believe that restoring the previous version of the page will help uphold these principles.
Thank you for your attention to this matter. Please let me know if you need any further information or assistance.
Best regards, Azphalt (talk) 15:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
- Azphalt - you are extensively restoring edits from your previous sock NormalguyfromUK. You were blocked for these last year - including your efforts to move the page to a completely OR title in line with the first line you're trying to restore now. You're removing extensive additions of academic sources. You're adding completely speculative captions and badly sourced POV info in the infoboxes 2.48.50.195 (talk) 15:14, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
Hello!
[edit]Hi, BusterD,
I am not as busy closing AFDs as I used to be (I got a little burned out) but I use to see you there, contributing a valuable and thoughtful opinion and I haven't seen you much lately in AFDland. I hope you are well and busy, doing something interesting and engaging. I just thought I'd say "Hi!". Take care, Liz Read! Talk! 03:01, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Just letting you know that I'm logging this protection of yours as a contentious-topic action. Daniel Case (talk) 04:29, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
A Barnstar for you!
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- This is an unexpected honor. I hope are all just keeping the peace because we agree this is a better way of living. Thank you, truly. BusterD (talk) 14:59, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – March 2024
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2024).
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The Bugle: Issue 215, March 2024
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I am serious, don't let Soeterman remove the cast of Disney Magic Kingdoms game.
[edit]Look up the "Voice Talent" in https://www.mobygames.com/game/77907/disney-magic-kingdoms/credits/android/ (Disney Magic Kingdoms), and I'm sure Soeterman will understands that, ok?
The cast:
- Tim Allen as Buzz Lightyear
- Tony Anselmo as Donald Duck
- Jeff Bennett as Merlin
- Jim Cummings as Pete and the opening cutscene narrator
- Joan Cusack as Jessie
- R. Lee Ermey as Sarge
- Bill Farmer as Goofy and Pluto
- Jim Hanks as Woody
- Bret Iwan as Mickey Mouse
- Tress MacNeille as Daisy Duck
- Annie Potts as Bo Peep
- John Ratzenberger as Hamm
- Wallace Shawn as Rex
- James Patrick Stuart as Zurg
- Russi Taylor as Minnie Mouse
2600:1700:4210:2450:E729:DF35:2BF8:AC89 (talk) 15:18, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- If you want it to stay in, you'll need a better source. Moby games, like Wikipedia is user generated content and cannot be considered independent or reliable. You're getting entirely the wrong message here: User:Soetermans doesn't care one way or the other if the cast list is inserted, so long as the list is supported and cited to WP:Reliable sources. BusterD (talk) 15:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- Well, not entirely, generally a cast list is not appropriate for a video game article. See WP:VGSCOPE point No. 11:
Cast lists: Generally speaking, a list of the actors providing voices, likenesses or motion capture acting performances for video game characters is not appropriate. If mention of an actor has received substantial coverage in independent reliable sources, typically the actor will be mentioned in the prose of the development section.
So we shouldn't have a cast list at all. And if is significant coverage by reliable sources on the actors' voiceover work, reused apparently I might add, it should be incorporated into a development section. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 18:17, 13 March 2024 (UTC)- The edit protection was just lifted and they're back up to doing the same thing. I've requested a longer edit protection this time. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 15:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Ok, I promise I won't do the same edit again, Soetermans. 2600:1700:4210:2450:DAAF:B482:3CC6:E712 (talk) 15:47, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- So, Soetermans. Why did you not care one way or the other if the cast list is inserted, so long as the list is supported and cited to WP:Reliable sources? 2600:1700:4210:2450:1A64:848F:1F1F:CA1B (talk) 15:13, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- The edit protection was just lifted and they're back up to doing the same thing. I've requested a longer edit protection this time. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 15:44, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Well, not entirely, generally a cast list is not appropriate for a video game article. See WP:VGSCOPE point No. 11:
- I don't follow. I clearly stated it is not appropriate. You can see the manual of style bit I copy-pasted. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 15:58, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
- User:Soetermans has now made clear their position. WP:VGSCOPE states such lists are inappropriate, EVEN IF reliably sourced. BusterD (talk) 01:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
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A barnstar for you!
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- I'm proud of you, dude. Thank you! BusterD (talk) 15:15, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – April 2024
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2024).
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- An RfC is open to convert all current and future community discretionary sanctions to (community designated) contentious topics procedure.
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New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024
[edit]Hello BusterD,
Backlog update: The October drive reduced the article backlog from 11,626 to 7,609 and the redirect backlog from 16,985 to 6,431! Congratulations to Schminnte, who led with over 2,300 points.
Following that, New Page Patrol organized another backlog drive for articles in January 2024. The January drive started with 13,650 articles and reduced the backlog to 7,430 articles. Congratulations to JTtheOG, who achieved first place with 1,340 points in this drive.
Looking at the graph, it seems like backlog drives are one of the only things keeping the backlog under control. Another backlog drive is being planned for May. Feel free to participate in the May backlog drive planning discussion.
It's worth noting that both queues are gradually increasing again and are nearing 14,034 articles and 22,540 redirects. We encourage you to keep contributing, even if it's just a single patrol per day. Your support is greatly appreciated!
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The Bugle: Issue 216, April 2024
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Administrators' newsletter – May 2024
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- Phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship review has concluded. Several proposals have passed outright and will proceed to implementation, including creating a discussion-only period (3b) and administrator elections (13) on a trial basis. Other successful proposals, such as creating a reminder of civility norms (2), will undergo further refinement in Phase II. Proposals passed on a trial basis will be discussed in Phase II, after their trials conclude. Further details on specific proposals can be found in the full report.
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Suspected sockpuppet Elephantmario
[edit]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ElephantMario seems a lot like the banned alt user https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/BalloonMario who is an alt of the puppet master https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Rayanmou07. Could you please take a look? Thanks. 2604:2DC0:101:200:0:0:0:1B1D (talk) 01:13, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
A brownie for you!
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Thanks for the advice on my talkpage about making some edits of my own. I've taken it to heart, and am now starting to look down some rabbit holes I've fallen down to go and make some contributions. I like Astatine (Talk to me) 15:20, 7 May 2024 (UTC) |
- You're very welcome, and thanks for the treat. It's very easy to go down any path on Wikipedia, and I can see you're dipping your toes in. I encourage you to read the pedia. Just read. Find some things which delight you. Policing others is one way to contribute, but I urge you to edit articles boldly, knowing somebody will come behind, (perhaps years later) to further improve the work. The article count on Wikipedia will continue to rise for many years. Take part. Help us. Don't be shy. Be bold. BusterD (talk) 15:58, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue 217, May 2024
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Draft article at AFC for John Greaton
[edit]Hi! I'm a new editor who decided to write an article about a Revolutionary War brigadier general named John Greaton. I'd love to have some collaborators on the article. I found a lot of sources, but freely admit that the article needs more sources relating to the specific campaigns and battles that Greaton fought in. MurmuringRock(talk) 15:59, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- For the record, some might not approve of you approaching a prospective reviewer directly. Just FYI. For my part, I admire the WP:BOLD action. Plus you gave me an easy task. I've approved your draft and assessed its current quality as start class. Welcome! Pretty good for a newcomer and starting from scratch. Welcome again! You are under no obligation to join, but I'd like to introduce you to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history. This is a well-established group of like-minded lay historians. Looking at the assessment link in the the nested Military history WikiProject template, you might see how this one wikiproject assesses articles for quality, giving examples of pages at various stages of improvement. Other wikiprojects have slightly different assessment strategies. WikiProject Biography may be another useful group for John Greaton. In my opinion, a B-class article roughly corresponds to well-written high school term paper. Good Articles, A-class, and Featured Article pages (in order to quality from good to best) have experienced a vetting from other editors. It's helpful to have other sets of eyes. What sorts of subjects do you enjoy reading about? BusterD (talk) 22:28, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the helpful warning and the breakdown between the different article classes! I enjoy reading about history, art, animation, and food. MurmuringRock(talk) 23:08, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – June 2024
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2024).
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- Phase II of the 2024 RfA review has commenced to improve and refine the proposals passed in Phase I.
Technical news
- The Nuke feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, will now correctly delete pages which were moved to another title. T43351
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The Bugle: Issue 218, June 2024
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Please, undelete Natalia Esquivel
[edit]Good morning, BusterD. Sorry for popping up. Days ago I created the article Natalia Esquivel. All of a sudden, one day I saw the article had been deleted. Too late, I didn't even have the chance to just see the "request for deletion" template. By the way, that same day there was at least another article created by me whose deletion was requested, but hopefully it was still extant, then I had the opportunity to correct references and wording, afterwards the template "request for deletion" was removed. So, if you don't mind, please, undelete Natalia Esquivel, and I will do my best to rewrite it (by the way, if you take a look here, she does have meaningful references in the field of music). Best regards and thanks for your time. Fadesga (talk) 10:08, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have restored the page but moved to draftspace. I'd like you to develop the page further and then submit it to me or another reviewer for approval. I can't argue the artist exists. The speedy deletion tag was applied by another editor who felt the page was overly promotional. Based on a cursory assessment I agreed. I am restoring on the good faith you will not try to take undue advantage of my attention. BusterD (talk) 13:54, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I should have researched entire situation further before I responded here. I did not notice User:Fadesga is an editor of very, very, very long experience. I am sorry if my responses to that person to this point have seemed adversarial or unnecessarily defensive of the pedia. I am happy to cooperate with Fadesga in good faith, like any editor in good standing. I still see a coi issue with the subject in the thread below. For this reason I'm choosing not to undelete that page at this time. BusterD (talk) 14:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your email. I very much enjoyed hearing from you. I better understand what I see now. Neither of the articles were egregiously promotional, which is one of the reasons we're talking. I will send you a reply email describing the issue which I red flagged. You did make a serious error, but I can see now it's a good faith one that can be corrected in another draft. BusterD (talk) 15:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- I should have researched entire situation further before I responded here. I did not notice User:Fadesga is an editor of very, very, very long experience. I am sorry if my responses to that person to this point have seemed adversarial or unnecessarily defensive of the pedia. I am happy to cooperate with Fadesga in good faith, like any editor in good standing. I still see a coi issue with the subject in the thread below. For this reason I'm choosing not to undelete that page at this time. BusterD (talk) 14:16, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
Please, undelete Gabriela Franco
[edit]Good morning, BusterD. Sorry for coming up once again. Days ago I created another article, Gabriela Franco. Some days after that, the article had been deleted. Too late, I didn't even have the chance to just see the "request for deletion" template. So, if you don't mind, please, undelete Gabriela Franco, and I will do my best to rewrite it (further, this artist has meaningful references in the field of music). Thanks again! Best regards, Fadesga (talk) 10:10, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm going to decline this request UNTIL you get the other page past review. There is an undeclared WP:COI issue. I don't know whether you've been paid but you have many red flags of a connected editor. I'm be happy to explain this privately to any interested admin but have no intention of educating others further on how to avoid detection next time. BusterD (talk) 14:05, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- Done and draftified. Get a review before republishing please. BusterD (talk) 15:28, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]and a slightly larger event in early August. Looking forward to seeing many fellow wikipedians at WikiConference North America 2024! Anybody else I know going? BusterD (talk) 15:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – July 2024
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2024).
Administrator changes
Technical news
- Local administrators can now add new links to the bottom of the site Tools menu without using JavaScript. Documentation is available on MediaWiki. (T6086)
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- The Community Wishlist is re-opening on 15 July 2024. Read more
Precious anniversary
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--Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:07, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Very sweet to think of me. On July 22, my account turns 19! 12:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC) BusterD (talk) 12:56, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Impressive! A few days later, mine will be 15 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Some of our younglings are making an impression, aren't they? BusterD (talk) 13:43, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Impressive! A few days later, mine will be 15 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
Happy Adminship Anniversary!
[edit] | Happy adminship anniversary! Hi BusterD! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of your successful request for adminship. Enjoy this special day! The Herald (Benison) (talk) 10:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC) |  |
- Thanks, User:The Herald! Nice of you to think about me. A celebration of dubious significance, but another successful turn round the old fiery thing in the daytime sky. BusterD (talk) 23:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
A cookie for you!
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Thank you for encouraging new editors to edit, even if their content is promotional. Also thanks for your reply on my talk page. Myrealnamm (💬pros · ✏️cons) 21:35, 9 July 2024 (UTC) |
- The person was hired to do a job. They may be quite a good writer. Writing encyclopedically is challenging; easy to imitate but hard to capture. Both noms for speedy were within range. Probably should have deleted it. But here we have new editor, and if they are willing to follow our policies and guidelines, I'm not going to bite them just because they are trying to do the job. BusterD (talk) 23:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
Presidency Navigation Templates vs. Biography Navigation Templates discussion
[edit]Hello, BusterD! Since you are listed as an active member of the United States Presidents WikiProject, would you mind leaving a comment at a project talk page discussion about a series of templates that I created for the presidencies of Lyndon B. Johnson, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, and George W. Bush? Another editor and myself disagree about whether there should be a separate navigation template for each Presidency apart from the biographical navigation template. Thanks! -- CommonKnowledgeCreator (talk) 22:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]to hell with your bot Chris denny 4840 (talk) 11:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
- I tried to be nice... BusterD (talk) 11:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue 219, July 2024
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Explaining rationale of RFC close
[edit]Hi, I see that you closed the RFC here: [1], but besides making the claim that there is strong consensus, you haven't included any rationale as to how you determined that this consensus exists, and that it is strong. You mentioned WP:UNCENSORED, but haven't said why it is a stronger than the counter-arguments that were given to address this concern. Could you please elaborate more on this? spintheer (talk) 20:06, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Discussions on Wikipedia are determined by consensus usually applied by an editor who has no direct interest in the subject under discussion. In the RFC, about a half dozen contributors referred to WP:UNCENSORED. An opposing argument was MOS:VULGAR, but your italicized quote of the section omits a key section (quotes should always be used verbatim) which a number of Option 1 proponents mentioned. One editor (Birdelephant) changed their opinion away from Option 2 specifically because of your interaction with them over verbatim language. While consensus is not generally derived from majority, when twelve editors who make reasonable arguments oppose five editors with reasonable arguments, the twelve will usually prevail. In this case, the RFC was started on June 5 by somebody whom advocated option 3. By June 13, eleven editors had contributed. By that date I see four for Option 3, five for Option 1, and two for Option 2. After June 13, six editors came along, read the previous discussion and chose Option 1. None advocated another option. When the trend of the discussion is so obviously pointing towards a single outcome, a closer is wise to choose that outcome. IMHO, if we had let the discussion run longer, it would have been closed the same. BusterD (talk) 11:26, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I understand. Thank you for responding. spintheer (talk) 07:28, 2 August 2024 (UTC)
Recently closed Donald Trump RfC
[edit]Hello. You recently closed a RfC on the Donald Trump talk page, citing MOS:CONTENTIOUS i.e. the avoidance of contentious labels.
However, this rule already applied to the article, as it does to others. The previous RfC that was questioned here applied additional editorial protection to the article that goes beyond MOS:CONTENTIOUS.
You have not explained why you thought the there is a consenus for editorial protection beyond that policy, or why such protection is appropriate. Please do so. Cheers. Cortador (talk) 02:14, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- As closer, I'm required to read the discussion and determine what the community had decided to do about the question. Your ostensible objective was to see a previous (2017) consensus overturned (
to see whether there is consensus to cancel it
). You'd have needed strong support for that position, and you didn't get it. There was a fair amount of discussion, but no strong demonstrated agreement for your position. Mostly the folks in the discussion thought using Wikipedia's voice to call anyone a liar was outside of the purpose of an online encyclopedia (MOS:CONTENTIOUS). BusterD (talk) 11:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)- RfC are to be decided on arguments, not number of votes. MOS:CONTENTIOUS already applies to the article - the RfC was about protection beyond MOS:CONTENTIOUS.
- I didn't see anyone bring forward a sound argument for this kind of protection, nor did you mention it in your closing statement. Cortador (talk) 14:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Deletion of Sabrina Brier
[edit]I saw that you were the closer for the speedy deletion of Sabrina Brier, which I created and which was deleted based on WP:A7. The article had multiple reliable secondary sources establishing Brier's notability and even barring this, WP:A7 appears to be reserved for there being no claim of notability regardless of sourcing, so it seemed to me like it was being misattributed. I responded on the talk page to contest the speedy deletion tag but there was seemingly never any response to that and the page got deleted anyway.
Even if one were to argue for the page's deletion, further discussion would definitely be necessary here. I was wondering if you would be willing to review the page and, if you find it to be okay, to restore it. Thanks! benǝʇᴉɯ 23:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have restored the page at your request. While I did read the page prior to my deletion, in the moment I was responding to the A7 tag of an experienced admin I respect highly in the deletion process (User:Liz ). If I read the page in a cursory way before hitting the button, I apologize. If Liz wants to pursue deletion process, she is welcome to nominate in the normal way. I remain neutral as to whether the page should be included on Wikipedia. Thanks for your courtesy and understanding.
- FYI for page stalkers. I rarely edit from my phone but have never used admin actions before from my mobile. If anything was processed incorrectly, please fix it for me. Thanks. BusterD (talk) 14:45, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Happy First Edit Day!
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Neo-Confederate blanking
[edit]Hello! I pushed the "thank button", but also wanted to thank you more directly for making this edit; it was exactly one month ago, but I noticed it only today. — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 19:43, 4 August 2024 (UTC)
- While you and I frequently disagree, I can read in your edits you share with me agreement on many issues as well. Strong and documented disagreement can provide our encyclopedia a basis for the fullest transparency. Your generous thanks are welcome and noted. BusterD (talk) 11:06, 6 August 2024 (UTC)
- User:Sundostund, I'm going to take a liberty and thank you twice as well. Rereading my thank you, it seems so formal. To expand: I find wikipedians' engagement in full-blown arguments sometimes leads to my discovering an inner truth abut myself and humankind. This makes me happy. There are fewer and fewer issues on this planet that require the use of weapons, once people can get access to information and connection. Anyone on the planet can read our conversation on this talk page. And respond. This gives me confidence. Wikipedians' community of good faith but tested trust teaches me that I don't have to be right all the time. Frequently on Wikipedia I'm learning a minor fact (or position) which blows my mind. Often it's because somebody disagreed with me. This happens often enough to give me willingness to listen. None of us can know everything, but I trust your skepticism and you trust mine. That may be enough. You and I now are forever linked by your gratitude. BusterD (talk) 12:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Buster, I can't thank you enough for your more than kind words. Beside fully agreeing with you, I can only add this – I have learned long time ago to accept my (periodical) mistakes and ignorance, and to accept the knowledge of others at the same time. That is the only way to improve myself, and to avoid repeating what I did wrong in the past. — Sundostund mppria (talk / contribs) 22:44, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- User:Sundostund, I'm going to take a liberty and thank you twice as well. Rereading my thank you, it seems so formal. To expand: I find wikipedians' engagement in full-blown arguments sometimes leads to my discovering an inner truth abut myself and humankind. This makes me happy. There are fewer and fewer issues on this planet that require the use of weapons, once people can get access to information and connection. Anyone on the planet can read our conversation on this talk page. And respond. This gives me confidence. Wikipedians' community of good faith but tested trust teaches me that I don't have to be right all the time. Frequently on Wikipedia I'm learning a minor fact (or position) which blows my mind. Often it's because somebody disagreed with me. This happens often enough to give me willingness to listen. None of us can know everything, but I trust your skepticism and you trust mine. That may be enough. You and I now are forever linked by your gratitude. BusterD (talk) 12:03, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – August 2024
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2024).
Technical news
- Global blocks may now target accounts as well as IP's. Administrators may locally unblock when appropriate.
- Users wishing to permanently leave may now request "vanishing" via Special:GlobalVanishRequest. Processed requests will result in the user being renamed, their recovery email being removed, and their account being globally locked.
Arbitration
- The Arbitration Committee appointed the following administrators to the conflict of interest volunteer response team: Bilby, Extraordinary Writ
The Bugle: Issue 220, August 2024
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[edit]Nominations for the upcoming project coordinator election have opened. A team of up to ten coordinators will be elected for the next coordination year. The project coordinators are the designated points of contact for issues concerning the project, and are responsible for maintaining our internal structure and processes. They do not, however, have any authority over article content or editor conduct, or any other special powers. More information on being a coordinator is available here. If you are interested in running, please sign up here by 23:59 UTC on 14 September! Voting will commence on 15 September. If you have any questions, you can contact any member of the current coord team. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:40, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – September 2024
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2024).
Guideline and policy news
- Following an RfC, there is a new criterion for speedy deletion: C4, which
applies to unused maintenance categories, such as empty dated maintenance categories for dates in the past
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Arbitration
- Following a motion, remedies 5.1 and 5.2 of World War II and the history of Jews in Poland (the topic and interaction bans on My very best wishes, respectively) were repealed.
- Remedy 3C of the German war effort case ("Cinderella157 German history topic ban") was suspended for a period of six months.
- The arbitration case Historical Elections is currently open. Proposed decision is expected by 3 September 2024 for this case.
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- Editors can now enter into good article review circles, an alternative for informal quid pro quo arrangements, to have a GAN reviewed in return for reviewing a different editor's nomination.
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The Bugle: Issue 221, September 2024
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Administrators' newsletter – October 2024
[edit]News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2024).
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CheckUser changes
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- Administrator elections are a proposed new process for selecting administrators, offering an alternative to requests for adminship (RfA). The first trial election will take place in October 2024, with candidate sign-up from October 8 to 14, a discussion phase from October 22 to 24, and SecurePoll voting from October 25 to 31. For questions or to help out, please visit the talk page at Wikipedia talk:Administrator elections.
- Following a discussion, the speedy deletion reason "File pages without a corresponding file" has been moved from criterion G8 to F2. This does not change what can be speedily deleted.
- A request for comment is open to discuss whether there is a consensus to have an administrator recall process.
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- The arbitration case Historical elections has been closed.
- An arbitration case regarding Backlash to diversity and inclusion has been opened.
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Football League 2025
[edit]It was immediately recreated after you deleted it. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:47, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- It just happened again! I've now also tagged the page for salting. I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 19:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the eyes. Salted. BusterD (talk) 19:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
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Re: Advice
[edit]Hi,
I hope that this message finds you well. I have seen your message on the page concerned. I agree with your advice to recuse myself from editing activities pro tempore. I would pay less attention to the articles for which I have sacrificed a tremendous amount of time and effort rewriting. I may have contributed everything I willed due to my limited capacity. I wish that my initiative could be accepted as a substitute for sanctions to enable a constructive return to relevant topic areas.
Cheers Steven1991 (talk) 14:53, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the response in my talk. I can't know how you feel, but I wrote WP:PACE after I went through an incident of my own many years ago. I found my own voice by not writing for a while. BusterD (talk) 15:13, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Thanks
[edit]I don't know what happened, it was indeed unintentional, so thank you for this. Fram (talk) 18:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- Disagreeing with smart people is always better than the various alternatives. Let's keep that going. I believe you and I both want the best for Wikipedia. I didn't have your experiences with Hawkeye7 and I can't know your feelings. But you and I are only opponents here on the merits, and never as wikipedians. BusterD (talk) 18:30, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
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Deletion review for November 31
[edit]Web-julio has asked for a deletion review of November 31. Because you speedily deleted the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. (April 31 and September 31, too.) —Cryptic 21:35, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Buster, as the deleting admin you get the blame even though I think that more of the responsibility should be on the CSD tagger (me in this case). I will be perusing through our redirect review checklist again after this. I'm still looking askance at these redirects and am definitely taking Apr 31 to RfD. Thanks for your admining and happy editing! -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- No worries. Everybody's trying to do something useful. Thanks for putting the date(s) up for discussion. BusterD (talk) 10:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
Silly MfD
[edit]The person who started the silly MfD has put on my a notice that he withdrew the MfD (as if I didn't already know), and an admonition for both you and I to AGF (!). I just thought you would be interested, I certainly don't want to pursue this any further, just letting you know. Good day and thanks again. rogerd (talk) 22:24, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Well, now that language as been removed a few minutes later. --rogerd (talk) 22:27, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- They misjudged and reconsidered. This looks like an adult to me. We have handled worse. BusterD (talk) 22:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- You are absolutely right we have handled worse. I was never really concerned. Even if the powers that be deleted my silly user box, it wouldn't have been worth losing any sleep. rogerd (talk) 23:43, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- In the last year or so, ragpicking retired users' talk and subpages has been somewhat fashionable. Sometimes they don't notice the editor is still active. BusterD (talk) 00:01, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- You are absolutely right we have handled worse. I was never really concerned. Even if the powers that be deleted my silly user box, it wouldn't have been worth losing any sleep. rogerd (talk) 23:43, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- They misjudged and reconsidered. This looks like an adult to me. We have handled worse. BusterD (talk) 22:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Page protection for User:DGG (NYPL)
[edit]I just noticed the protection you placed on User:DGG (NYPL) was temporary and has expired. Was that intentional? Steel1943 (talk) 22:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Fixed. Thanks again. Lot of distractions in RL. BusterD (talk) 01:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- I understand as I've had a few myself, so I hate to have to ask another question: Is the semi-protection you applied instead of full protection intentional? Steel1943 (talk) 04:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Jeez. Thanks again. BusterD (talk) 10:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! Hope all gets better. Steel1943 (talk) 13:01, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Jeez. Thanks again. BusterD (talk) 10:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- I understand as I've had a few myself, so I hate to have to ask another question: Is the semi-protection you applied instead of full protection intentional? Steel1943 (talk) 04:21, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
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- This is a very nice thing to say. BusterD (talk) 10:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
Appleton Oaksmith's birthplace
[edit]In Shipwrecked, p. 6, in the paragraph about AO's birth, it states, "On the streets of Portland, strangers would stop 'to look at' baby Appleton 'and exclaim at his beauty.'" I leave it to you to decide whether this constitutes an adequate source for his having been born in Maine, and whether the question is important enough to spend time editing. I would let it go. Maurice Magnus (talk) 13:00, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- It does seem "politician" is a poor single word to describe the man. Hope to find a better one. BusterD (talk) 13:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- How about “shipper, possible slave-trader, convicted criminal, blockade runner, and state legislator”? Maurice Magnus (talk) 16:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- All at once, perhaps. If you don't mind I'm going to read further on this guy. Writers for parents. There's a real story here. Not a big one, perhaps, but a really deep one... BusterD (talk) 16:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- I don’t mind, and I won’t edit the article for now. This site states explicitly that AO was born in Maine: digital.lib.ecu.edu Maurice Magnus (talk) 01:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- All at once, perhaps. If you don't mind I'm going to read further on this guy. Writers for parents. There's a real story here. Not a big one, perhaps, but a really deep one... BusterD (talk) 16:40, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- How about “shipper, possible slave-trader, convicted criminal, blockade runner, and state legislator”? Maurice Magnus (talk) 16:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
The OG Bloodline
[edit]Can you please tag The OG Bloodline (professional wrestling) for deletion? It has one source even though the page is 10,000 bytes in length meaning the majority of its contents are unsourced. Lemonademan22 (talk) 00:43, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nevermind, the article has been made into a redirect. Lemonademan22 (talk) 00:58, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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Paleoaficionado
[edit]This user that you blocked is continuing to logout sock as 90.218.17.152 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) (it's very obviously them, given their same agenda, and the fact that the IP has edited Paleoaficionado's comments as if they were themselves). Could you block this address as well. Thanks. Hemiauchenia (talk) 23:18, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Another IP user, likely either a sock or meatpuppet 87.252.56.139 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has continued to pop up with the exact same agenda as Paleoaficionado. Can I request a block? Hemiauchenia (talk) 16:24, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have blocked them, but note the pending changes prevented any disruption to live pagespace. They gave away an ip address but got nothing in exchange. BusterD (talk) 16:44, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
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- But 10+ years? I rarely see a speedy nom on an article that old. You're right of course. I decided the best thing was to measure consensus at a formal process and I'd be shocked if the process doesn't delete. BusterD (talk) 12:12, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hes continuing :/
[edit]@BusterD Hes doing it again despite your warning, and has now been reverted by THREE editors. [2] (Your warning), the page: Third Anglo-Afghan War Noorullah (talk) 01:14, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Blocked. Thanks for the eyes. BusterD (talk) 02:19, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- @BusterD It’s happening again, except it’s an IP. Noorullah (talk) 05:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
Khitans
[edit]please look at the source It's written Turko-Mongol not proto mongol 2A01:5EC0:1004:1BD9:1:0:36C0:DE59 (talk) 07:56, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- In my opinion, the source is wrong and khitans were neither turk or mongol (but distantly related to mongols)2A01:5EC0:1004:1BD9:1:0:36C0:DE59 (talk) 08:00, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- This add with edit:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Khitan_people&diff=prev&oldid=1242310174
- By Turkiishh in 04:14, 26 August 2024 2A01:5EC0:1004:1BD9:1:0:36C0:DE59 (talk) 08:02, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- You should be trying to convince other users at Talk:Khitan people. I'm only acting as a referee. I have no interest in the outcome, other than WP:Civility being maintained. BusterD (talk) 11:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
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Mashiding Lomandong
[edit]Hi BusterD. You deleted Mashiding Lomandong, but the creator moved it User:Mashiding Lomandong before you deleted the other page. I'm not sure if they meant to create a WP:USD or whether they just don't what a user page is, but the page is likely going to end up tagged for speedy deletion per WP:U5 if it remains where it is. There's technically has been no account created with the username Mashiding Lomandong which could become a problem later on if someone did try to create an account. Was wondering whether the page should be moved again to either the draft namespace or to a subpage in the creator's userspace. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads-up. While I was out walking the dogs, our friend (and apparent fellow cheesehead) User:GB fan deleted that as well. Always appreciate the eyes. BusterD (talk) 11:49, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely a cheesehead. ~ GB fan 12:24, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- @GB fan and BusterD. The article has been recreated under the same name by the same user, and it's still basically nothing but citations to Facebook. In addition, another account Rex 97Cavaliers suddenly showed up after not editing for seven years to make this edit to File:Sultan Mashiding Macarimbang Lomandong.png. Please advise as to what if anything should be done here.[-- Marchjuly (talk) 05:38, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Update: Someone else has started Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mashiding Lomandong, and that should take care of the article itself, unless it somehow otherwise qualifies for speedy deletion. Is there any point in checking on whether the two accounts are related in some way? -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Definitely a cheesehead. ~ GB fan 12:24, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
Changing the results
[edit]BusterD can you change the results in the first anglo-afghan war and the third Anglo-Afghan war since the British won militarily both times and your articles confirm that the British won militarily in both wars and in the third war just kept the durand line as it was.
P.s. my block ended since 1 week ended. Panekasos (talk) 04:55, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Apology
[edit]I'm sorry for editing without permission. Can you please change the results for the reasons I stated above? Panekasos (talk) 05:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Deletion review for Category:Beast (Canadian band) albums
[edit]An editor has asked for a deletion review of Category:Beast (Canadian band) albums. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 05:38, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Providing sources
[edit]I can provide all the sources needed in order to change the results in both wars. Can you please allow me? Panekasos (talk) 06:27, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
According to to the guidlines, the previous page violated certain principles regarding pages dealing with the Israel - Palestinian conflict. I reposted a different version containing only the technical details about the series. I hope it's all right now and I hope you will aprove. Thank you. Itamar Sade
- You misunderstand the reason for the speedy deletion tagging. The page is certainly (in its very subject matter) related to the Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Arab–Israeli conflict. One of the basic restrictions is that editors who are not extended confirmed may not edit or create pages related to the contentious topic. Period. See Wikipedia:User access levels#Extendedconfirmed I don't get to make these rules, which are well-established through extensive consensus-bearing discussion. I'm trusted to enforce them. BusterD (talk) 13:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Changing the results
[edit]BusterD can you change the results of the two wars if I provide sources? Panekasos (talk) 02:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
On Jacob Anderson
[edit]The user on Jacob Anderson page continued reverting despite I have explained my reason and requirement if they want to keep that detail. I'm afraid I'm not familiar enough about the award, so I left a question on WikiProject Awards. I have received an answer yet, but maybe you have another solution? Thanks for helping so far. - Yolo4A4Lo (talk) 09:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Results
[edit]BusterD can you change the results for the reasons I stated above ? Panekasos (talk) 13:01, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
- No. There's no reason to pursue this with me. I won't do as you ask. BusterD (talk) 13:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
MaidThis
[edit]Hi Buster I saw you deleted and protect the page I wonder we its not qualified we just same reputation and notoriety of Molly Maids I cited it on the links and we have just the similar citation references — Preceding unsigned comment added by EarlGarvin (talk • contribs) 07:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've restored the page and moved it to draft space. As long as you keep working on it, it's relatively safe from deletion. Your sources are not good. You are looking for multiple and diverse reliable sources independent of the subject which directly detail. I'm seeing nothing like that. By the way, other stuff exists, but we're taking about this article, not that one. BusterD (talk) 07:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- BTW, my edit summary used the phrase "failing corp." This does not intend any characterization of the business, just that the article fails Wikipedia's WP:CORP subject-specific notability guideline. This guide is intended to prevent Wikipedia from turning into the Yellow Pages. BusterD (talk) 07:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Rocksteady Studios
[edit]Persistent vandalism? simply added information supported by reliable sources such as Bloomberg. The latest game is a failure, a costly $200 million failure, Bloomberg also clearly states in the article. and the reasons for this failure were also highlighted but you and someone else say that it is vandalism. When Warner Bros closes the company you will continue to say it is vandalism. And I think I'm a huge fan of Rocksteady Studios, and it was a great studio. Unfortunately the situation with the latest game is a total disaster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.20.123.34 (talk) 13:06, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Results
[edit]I have sources that can prove why the results need to change.Allow me to demonstrate them and you will see . Panekasos (talk) 13:34, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
Results 2
[edit]The First and Third Anglo-Afghan wars were British victories militarily and the wiki articles say the same thing .So let me provide the sources for proof and let me change the results or change it yourself. Also,if readers read the articles they are gonna be misled because the articles say that the British won the wars militarily but the results say another thing. So can you please allow me to change the results of the wars if I provide good sources? Panekasos (talk) 13:36, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- STOP messaging me here on this. You should be having these words with interested editors at Talk:Third Anglo-Afghan War. I am disinclined to help you further. You're obviously pestering me and leaving lots of messages to which I haven't replied. I will consider any further messages from you on this matter as vandalism; while I won't block you myself, you'll find other admins might. BusterD (talk) 13:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ok I won't continue asking but can you tell me please who are these editors and where can I find them because I'm kinda new to Wikipedia. Panekasos (talk) 14:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Talk:Third Anglo-Afghan War. Find them there. BusterD (talk) 14:17, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- OK thanks but can you remove the semi protector from the page in case there is a change ? Or other editors can change it too? Also about the first anglo-afghan war do I ask other editors as well? Panekasos (talk) 14:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- No. BusterD (talk) 14:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- So can other editors edit the page if we decide to change it ? Panekasos (talk) 20:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- No. BusterD (talk) 14:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- OK thanks but can you remove the semi protector from the page in case there is a change ? Or other editors can change it too? Also about the first anglo-afghan war do I ask other editors as well? Panekasos (talk) 14:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Talk:Third Anglo-Afghan War. Find them there. BusterD (talk) 14:17, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Ok I won't continue asking but can you tell me please who are these editors and where can I find them because I'm kinda new to Wikipedia. Panekasos (talk) 14:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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Hello BusterD. Regarding the protection you put on Carlos Lehder's article, I just want to suggest that you not only put it indefinitely but that it be only and exclusively for extended confirmed users. As I said in the article protection requests, this level of protection should be done taking into account the history of the article and how it has generated discussions, discord, fights, intrigues and all kinds of negative actions and emotions that do not contribute in any way to contributing to Wikipedia. As I also said, if that article is not edited by the guy with his sockpuppets, it is better that no one edits it, and as the movies say; and the problem is over. You can answer me anything on my discussion page. JeanMercier90 (talk) 15:35, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- I made my call on protecting the linked article at the time. I still hold to my one year semi-protection as appropriate in length. Your opinions don't convince me to change my action. You are welcome to the this back to WP:RFPP. BusterD (talk) 15:46, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- Very nice way of answering. I suppose that you speak to your family and other close friends in the same way and that you have great friends with that attitude. From what I see, it is your policy to treat others badly and even with apathy. People like you are the ones who cause more problems than they solve. Goodbye, you rude. JeanMercier90 (talk) 17:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]GAH!. It's just so exasperating. Ealdgyth (talk) 19:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
Perth Panthers
[edit]I am confused on this? how do i make the page live? Themarkchristie (talk) 12:58, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- You must improve the page before it will be accepted as an article. In retrospect, I should have deleted this as was requested, since this page has already spent extensive time at draft space. For now, I'm tagging the page for Articles for Creation. There's an enormous amount of stuff which should be done before somebody will review it. I've applied a number of tags requiring sourcing, for example. BusterD (talk) 13:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
On the {{Shkreli Tribe}} Article
[edit]I was blocked just because I asked to add reliable sources. If you look at this page there are barely reliable sources or any sources, and I don't believe I should be blocked by just asking to add reliable sources or sources. Please let me know when the reliable sources are added to this page. As long as there are not reliable sources, or sources cited in that page the [citation needed] should not be removed? Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you! 2600:1700:36D0:9B0:5CA1:EE34:A800:F6E9 (talk) 10:31, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- You haven't been blocked, nor did you receive any messages or warnings. You are correct that Shkreli (tribe) should be improved; however adding unnecessary citation needed tags is considered disruptive and starting two talk page discussions is considered disruptive. BusterD, I strongly believe this IP address is the same person, changing their IP address.Could possibly be a block evasion, but that I can't tell. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 12:25, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
- The /64 was blocked on Oct 31. I've blocked it again for some time both from the page and its talk. BusterD (talk) 13:00, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
Nicolás Atanes Deletion check
[edit]Hey @BusterD,
I'm just following up on this article which you deleted under G5 and G4. I accepted the draft through AfC without looking at the prior history, judging the content on it's own merits, and felt it just about squeaked past our notability threshold.
I am not sure if it meets G5 criteria, unless the IP editor who created the draft (who says they have no COI) is the same as the banned editor.
Did it meet G4? My sense from the author was that it was a new draft so not based on the original deleted article from 2022.
Best, qcne (talk) 15:57, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Qcne: See the LTA at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Remitbuber, with 100 or so CheckUser-blocked IPs/socks over the years using strategies like this one. — MarkH21talk 19:05, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm preparing a response at the review now. Looking back through all the previous deleted versions and recreations. IMHO it's much worse than it seems at first glance (and my speedy was based on quick look at the versions). For example, by 2021, this page had already been deleted six times at es.wiki. All of these creators were proven socks or ips, claiming no awareness. I'd like to assume good faith, but this is the pattern on this article. I am not in the slightest surprised an ip editor filed this review. BusterD (talk) 19:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's disappointing that I got fooled, thanks @BusterD and @MarkH21. qcne (talk) 19:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm only disappointed I didn't save my reply to the DRV, it was dry and ironic. BusterD (talk) 19:48, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- User:Qcne, in the future please check deleted edits on any article you are reviewing, especially if there was previous sockpuppetry. I loathe not assuming good faith. I hate to assume the worst. But several G4's should have signaled the need to ask any friendly admin for help. BusterD (talk) 20:05, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- The original draft was at Nicolas Atanes (without the accent), so it didn't have any of the G4 history when I accepted it. But I should have realised something was up when I saw the Talk page was salted. Sorry. qcne (talk) 20:19, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- No worries. I have just salted that spelling (and Draft:Nicolas Atanes), so thanks twice again. Makes sense now. Socking. It always makes sense in retrospect. This was an interesting one and I appreciate your reviewing it, even passing it, since your action totally moved the pedia forward (and gave us both a lesson to remember). BusterD (talk) 22:44, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- The original draft was at Nicolas Atanes (without the accent), so it didn't have any of the G4 history when I accepted it. But I should have realised something was up when I saw the Talk page was salted. Sorry. qcne (talk) 20:19, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- User:Qcne, in the future please check deleted edits on any article you are reviewing, especially if there was previous sockpuppetry. I loathe not assuming good faith. I hate to assume the worst. But several G4's should have signaled the need to ask any friendly admin for help. BusterD (talk) 20:05, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm only disappointed I didn't save my reply to the DRV, it was dry and ironic. BusterD (talk) 19:48, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- That's disappointing that I got fooled, thanks @BusterD and @MarkH21. qcne (talk) 19:36, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm preparing a response at the review now. Looking back through all the previous deleted versions and recreations. IMHO it's much worse than it seems at first glance (and my speedy was based on quick look at the versions). For example, by 2021, this page had already been deleted six times at es.wiki. All of these creators were proven socks or ips, claiming no awareness. I'd like to assume good faith, but this is the pattern on this article. I am not in the slightest surprised an ip editor filed this review. BusterD (talk) 19:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Deletion review for Nicolás Atanes
[edit]An editor has asked for a deletion review of Nicolás Atanes. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.77.39.132 (talk) 18:37, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
How did that work out for you, Nicolás?BusterD (talk) 19:47, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
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- How very jolly of you! Nice of you to think of me. No white this Christmas, but perhaps safer travel weather. Our family wishes yours joy and peace, and the kindest of new years. BusterD (talk) 16:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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Mistaken deletion of 15.ai
[edit]I rewrote the article from scratch all of last night and submitted it to AfC per User:Liz. I was told that if the deletion review was endorsed, I could resubmit in good faith since the article was not salted. Please GregariousMadness (talk to me!) 18:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- I did not have the back story. Undeleting for now. BusterD (talk) 18:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- Many thanks BusterD, it is all getting confusing now. I'll make a new comment at DRV. Are you able to confirm that the new article is substantially different from the deleted version? From what I could see, the references and arrangement were very similar, but I take the creator's comments on good faith that they attempted a reformulation. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:16, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
- I did recommend to the editor that they submit a new version of a draft to AFC but I didn't expect them to do so in the middle of a Deletion review so soon after the article had been deleted in an AFD. I was expecting this would happen months from now. I think the timing for all of this is bad but that is not due to any mistakes on your part. Liz Read! Talk! 02:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- Many thanks BusterD, it is all getting confusing now. I'll make a new comment at DRV. Are you able to confirm that the new article is substantially different from the deleted version? From what I could see, the references and arrangement were very similar, but I take the creator's comments on good faith that they attempted a reformulation. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 20:16, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks for taking care of that. Just wanted to let you know that the null edit wasn't necessary to perform revdel, as you don't need to apply revdel to the edit that removes the content, only to revisions where the content existed. Thus, revdelling reversion commits where the content has been completely removed is unnecessary. --Chris | Crazycomputers (talk) 16:21, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
- I appreciate your noticing. Thanks for saying something! BusterD (talk) 23:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Dear @BusterD,
I hope this message finds you well. I wanted to bring to your attention the actions of User:Kriji Sehamati, who has been engaging in disruptive editing and appears to be acting in bad faith.
Some of the key concerns include:
• Unjustified nominations of verified articles for deletion.
• Ignoring Wikipedia guidelines like WP:NPOL, WP:V, and WP:RS.
• Repeatedly making edits without reliable sources or proper consensus.
Despite warnings, the user continues this behavior, which is impacting the quality of multiple articles.
I believe your experience could help address this issue effectively. Please let me know your thoughts or if you could guide me on the best way to handle this situation.
Thankyou! 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 15:55, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- I cannot help you with such a request. You seem to be in a dispute with the editor over Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rudraneil Sengupta. You have provided me with no evidence, only your opinions. You have not provided diffs or even a link to the disputed article (which I found myself). If you find another editor is misbehaving, apply to the appropriate noticeboard. It is not only poor form to approach an admin directly about a content dispute, it causes any reasonable sysop to wonder why you did so. I encourage you to keep your discussions on the talk page or at the deletion procedure. BusterD (talk) 16:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
Merry Christmas!
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Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:Flaming/MC2008}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
I'm wishing you a Merry Christmas, because that is what I celebrate. Feel free to take a "Happy Holidays" or "Season's Greetings" if you prefer. :) BOZ (talk) 18:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you brother. All my best to you and yours in this new year. BusterD (talk) 22:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
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Want to defend myself but am scared to do so
[edit]I want to defend myself in the AfD but I am honestly too scared to do so because I feel like I'm going to be sent to the admin noticeboard. But I want to let you know I am highly neurodivergent and that's what causes my hyperfixation on things that I think I can fix. It also causes my bad habit of editing the same comment I made in quick succession, so I don't think I have 52 comments in the AfD. Please, I can explain everything if you give me the chance, but I feel so scared right now. GregariousMadness (talk to me!) 10:50, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm sorry you feel scared about an article on Wikipedia. This is a serious problem, I agree. It certainly says something we all should notice. I'm sympathetic. But this is a problem of proportion, not editing on Wikipedia. We don't commonly keep articles at AfD because the page creator is upset. Everybody suffers. You are not the only neurodivergent person in this thread. A human must make a better argument than that on Wikipedia. See WP:PACE, which I wrote myself. BusterD (talk)
- I'd really appreciate it if you could point out exactly where I went wrong so I can learn from my mistakes. I'm sorry for the trouble but I am still a new editor, so if you could please take some time to be patient with me, I'd be very grateful. GregariousMadness (talk to me!) 11:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Here's your behavior (as illustrated in the comment immediately above):
I'd really appreciate it
(implying you'd be happy if I did you a favor)if you could point out exactly where I went wrong
(if you would spend even more time on this favor)so I can learn from my mistakes
(so I can get my way in this).I'm sorry for the trouble
(I'm not going to stop asking)but I am still a new editor
(who created this page in 2020)so if you could please take some time to be patient with me
(even MORE patient with me),I'd be very grateful
(I'll stop bludgeoning everyplace). Please see WP:Competence is required. This is self-hostage taking behavior, dude. I'd appreciate it if you'd stop making me part of it. BusterD (talk) 11:59, 26 December 2024 (UTC)- I'm so confused by what's happening. I'm asking about what exactly my "precipitous actions" were. You said that I was arguing in the AfD over using sources to support my statements, but these have nothing to do with that. That's just how I write online so that I can be polite. And if you check my edit history, I left the 15.ai article as a poorly sourced stub (which wasn't accepted into AfC at the time, this is what it looked like [3]) and only came back a few months ago. I am a new editor… GregariousMadness (talk to me!) 12:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- I am choosing NOT to help you further. I have explained my actions abundantly. Please do not post here. I will not communicate with you on my talk page again. BusterD (talk) 12:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm so confused by what's happening. I'm asking about what exactly my "precipitous actions" were. You said that I was arguing in the AfD over using sources to support my statements, but these have nothing to do with that. That's just how I write online so that I can be polite. And if you check my edit history, I left the 15.ai article as a poorly sourced stub (which wasn't accepted into AfC at the time, this is what it looked like [3]) and only came back a few months ago. I am a new editor… GregariousMadness (talk to me!) 12:05, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
- Here's your behavior (as illustrated in the comment immediately above):
- I'd really appreciate it if you could point out exactly where I went wrong so I can learn from my mistakes. I'm sorry for the trouble but I am still a new editor, so if you could please take some time to be patient with me, I'd be very grateful. GregariousMadness (talk to me!) 11:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
Vandal help
[edit]Hey @BusterD, Thanks for quickly responding to my CSD noms at User:Gradnary and User:SomyaGupta08. Based on them adding the exact same content to their userpages, should they be blocked as socks? First time noticing sock accounts, hence the post. Thanks for your time! ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Done. If you'd like to create a sock puppetry report, this would allow others to make the same connection you noticed. I can't imagine this person is done. BusterD (talk) 13:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Can I file a report using twinkle for SPI now, after you blocked it as well? Asked this cause twinkle warns me that they have already been blocked. Sorry if this sounds silly, my first time at SPI. Thanks! ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not an expert at SPI, but since this is a slam-dunk, it would be good to practice your reporting with this one. I've assigned SomyaGupta08 as the master since it's the first version I deleted (11:36). Others are Gradnary (11:44)
and ListingBazar (12:15), blocked by DoubleGrazing. Each of these userpages appears to contain identical content. BusterD (talk) 13:32, 27 December 2024 (UTC)- Filed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SomyaGupta08. Thanks for the advice! ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for your eyes, your tagging and your following up. Only so much BusterD to go around. BusterD (talk) 13:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- Filed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SomyaGupta08. Thanks for the advice! ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:37, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not an expert at SPI, but since this is a slam-dunk, it would be good to practice your reporting with this one. I've assigned SomyaGupta08 as the master since it's the first version I deleted (11:36). Others are Gradnary (11:44)
- Can I file a report using twinkle for SPI now, after you blocked it as well? Asked this cause twinkle warns me that they have already been blocked. Sorry if this sounds silly, my first time at SPI. Thanks! ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 13:24, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
D'oh! BusterD (talk) 13:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue 224, December 2024
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Michael Beint moved to draftspace
[edit]Thanks for your contributions to Michael Beint. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because of the result of the AfD. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.
Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit for review" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. asilvering (talk) 01:42, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- What a pleasant and unexpected outcome. I will start adding sources as I find them. Thank you. BusterD (talk) 13:34, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Thanks
[edit]for deleting the template. I wanted to test something on betawiki and had too many tabs open – thank god I only created a test template instead of accidentally putting test content in the enwiki article namespace 😅 Best wishes --Johannes Richter (WMDE) (talk) 11:53, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- I left a message on your talk too. Nice to meet you. BusterD (talk) 11:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'll confess, shortly after I got the sysop tool set I went to the en.wiki's main page and hit the edit button to see if I was enabled to delete it. Looking around me in absolute wonder, as from the top of an active volcano, I hit the back button and have never tempted fate like that since. BusterD (talk) 11:59, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Nice to meet you too :) I felt the same curiosity when my volunteer self got steward permissions, but WP:Don't delete the main page convinced me not to click any buttons, even though it shouldn't be possible to actually delete the enwiki main page today ;) Johannes Richter (WMDE) (talk) 12:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hope somebody in development is looking at ways of more easily recognizing patterns of ai-using contributors. Our efforts could all go badly in a hurry. BusterD (talk) 16:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- You'll be interested to hear that the gptzero devs have created a free version for Wikipedia: https://wikipedia.gptzero.me/. -- asilvering (talk) 16:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. If I'm acting a bit distressed this am, it's looking at the way everything below this thread has gone. This is just the tip of the iceberg. BusterD (talk) 16:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- As far as I'm concerned, LLM-generated text should be pdel'd for unverifiability. There's also Template:uw-ai1 and family for you to express your displeasure in as little time as the editor needed to generate their slop in the first place. -- asilvering (talk) 16:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- To add some personal context to that statement: my (off-wiki) research involves AI. I am in fact a committed AI believer and see huge potential for machine learning applications in all kinds of contexts. Releasing LLMs to the public internet for free with no intended use case (beyond "acquire investor funding", I guess), and no concern for the obvious chaos this would engender, is quite possibly the stupidest thing anyone has ever done in this discipline. And I can tell you that AI researchers have done a lot of truly stupid shit. -- asilvering (talk) 16:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- I'm very much looking forward to your novel... BusterD (talk) 16:50, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Please keep me apprised. The template doesn't really handle talk pages well, IMHO. LLM usage like this on talk pages is naked trolling. I also strongly believe in the future of the modeling (and agree largely with your stated attitudes about them). With the village pump thread needing closing soon, I'm almost sorry I expressed a position there (but my attitude is not mistakable). I'm hoping for a speedy closure at 30 days. BusterD (talk) 16:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- To add some personal context to that statement: my (off-wiki) research involves AI. I am in fact a committed AI believer and see huge potential for machine learning applications in all kinds of contexts. Releasing LLMs to the public internet for free with no intended use case (beyond "acquire investor funding", I guess), and no concern for the obvious chaos this would engender, is quite possibly the stupidest thing anyone has ever done in this discipline. And I can tell you that AI researchers have done a lot of truly stupid shit. -- asilvering (talk) 16:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- As far as I'm concerned, LLM-generated text should be pdel'd for unverifiability. There's also Template:uw-ai1 and family for you to express your displeasure in as little time as the editor needed to generate their slop in the first place. -- asilvering (talk) 16:35, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. If I'm acting a bit distressed this am, it's looking at the way everything below this thread has gone. This is just the tip of the iceberg. BusterD (talk) 16:31, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- You'll be interested to hear that the gptzero devs have created a free version for Wikipedia: https://wikipedia.gptzero.me/. -- asilvering (talk) 16:24, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Hope somebody in development is looking at ways of more easily recognizing patterns of ai-using contributors. Our efforts could all go badly in a hurry. BusterD (talk) 16:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
- Nice to meet you too :) I felt the same curiosity when my volunteer self got steward permissions, but WP:Don't delete the main page convinced me not to click any buttons, even though it shouldn't be possible to actually delete the enwiki main page today ;) Johannes Richter (WMDE) (talk) 12:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
Henry I
[edit]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Pipera#Still_December_2024
Awaiting your response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pipera (talk • contribs) 23:34, December 31, 2024 (UTC)
- My response is that once again you've chosen NOT to sign your posts, after being a wikipedian since 2006. I have no interest in your content dispute. I'm becoming very interested in your continued disruptive behaviors. BusterD (talk) 02:51, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
You've got mail
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- In order to prevent my email address being disseminated around the planet I rarely reply to personal email. On the merits, I have no interest in jumping in the middle of what appears to be a content dispute. Normally you should take such disagreements to a board designed to help, like the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard, but I see a case is already filed there. Why do you need my personal help when you have already applied at the appropriate place? It appears to me the concerned editors are represented. My remit is not about taking sides, instead to help with bad behaviors. I see no reason to intrude myself unduly with working processes. BusterD (talk) 23:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)