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Cartoons in the Censored Eleven as redirects?

Not sure this is the best way to go about things. I'd like to think these cartoons will have their own pages one day; many little-known cartoon shorts do already. If necessary, we can make stubs for them. I'd prefer that to redirecting them and removing the wikilinks from the article. BrianSmithson 00:21, 15 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We should really write articles for each of these cartoons. If we don't this endless cycle of linking and delinking the list will continue ad infinitum . . . . — BrianSmithson 21:14, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I will be more than happy to post about each cartoon, but it won't let me, Please remove the redirects

What you need to do is click on the cartoon title you want to write about. You will got to the Censored Eleven article, but at the top, it will say "Redirected from [cartoon title]". Click on the cartoon title again, and you will go to the redirect page. Then you can edit the redirect and convert it into a proper article. — BrianSmithson 06:17, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the re-directs need to be removed ASAP.

Little Pygmy?

Perhaps that should be "Half-Pint Pygmy (1948)" cf. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040415/ ?

Tokio Jokio

I seem to recall hearing about some other censored cartoons, mostly World War II depictions of the Japanese that have since fallen out of style. Palm_Dogg 05:49, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There are many cartoons that are no longer seen today, not just the Censored 11. This article isn't censorship in animated cartoons, though, so they don't really belong here. Someone should probably write a broader article on the topic, for sure. — BrianSmithson 12:38, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What about Bugs Nips the Nips? I'm pretty sure something like that would have been censored and I can assure you it's a WB cartoon. --Thaddius 14:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're right; that has also been removed from TV circulation. However, it is not part of the 11 cartoon group that is discussed in this article, so would be better discussed in something like censorhip in animated cartoons or another appropriate article. -- BrianSmithson 14:28, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Screencaps

I have the entire Censored 11 collection. I'd be willing to write up some summaries and take some screen caps if anyone is interested. Would that fall under free-use or copyright? 70.25.46.159 16:41, 27 May 2006 (UTC)Karla[reply]

Some of them are public domain(i'm not sure if they all are), I think you can post screen caps of those ones. TJ Spyke 22:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Perhaps you could post them on You tube & link them here, that'll be coolXD

I'd really be interested in seeing these cartoons. There are already some on Youtube, just search "Censored Eleven".EAB 00:15, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to burst your bubble, but none of them are in the public domain. Since they were copyrighted in America, American copyright takes precedent over any other country's. How do I know? They were each pulled off of Youtube because of copyright infringement, something that requires the actual owners of the copyright to submit proof. And I'm pretty sure they won't get released until Mickey Mouse does. -- trlkly 09:04, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to burst your bubble, but many ARE in the Public Domain: http://looney.goldenagecartoons.com/DVDvideo/PD/

See also, for a possible reference to help establish proof: http://www.loc.gov/rr/mopic/pubdomain.html

Re: Information courtesy of Film Superlist: Motion Pictures in the U.S. Public Domain, 1894-1939, Film Superlist: Motion Pictures in the U.S. Public Domain, 1940-1949, and Film Superlist: Motion Pictures in the U.S. Public Domain, 1950-1959 all by Walter E. Hurst. ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 20:03, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

International distribution?

This article appears only to relate to the USA, and doesn't mention overseas distribution of these cartoons. Does anyone know anything about this?

For one thing, I could have sworn I saw All This and Rabbit Stew on British television in the 1980s, but it may just be a case of faulty memory. (It could have been on a pirate VHS tape, come to think of it.) AdorableRuffian 21:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

All I know is it is technically now illegal to show them overseas, just like it is in America. Whether that concerned British TV in the '80s, I don't know. -- trlkly 09:07, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Problem with a link. Is "classiccartoons.blogspot.com" just evil ?

Hello to all. I found great frames of "Jungle Jitters" toon (and the likes) from http://classiccartoons.blogspot.com/2007/07/censor-this-jungle-jitters.html

I tryed to had the link "Jungle Jitters" frames at ClassicCartoons.blogspot.com but the bot "XLinkBot" rejected it (doesn't like "blog"), despite the fact this one is perfect legal. Is there a chance I can add it to the article ? (IP)--92.135.235.140 (talk) 05:29, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The cartoon is indeed 'Public Domain' (Looney Tunes in the Public Domain), but those particular images might be copyrighted. ~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 19:20, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ted Turner

For some reason Ted Turner's role is omitted from this article. Clearly, his 'Political Correctness' censorship policy is largely responsible. Turner Entertainment owns the Cartoon Network, (and TNT, TBS, etc.) and entire libraries of classic cartoons, including the complete Bugs Bunny collection. In 2001, AOL Time Warner merged Turner Entertainment with the WB broadcast network. Google search can easily turn up reliable sources on this subject; for example, (from CNSNews.com):

According to cartoon expert Jon Cooke ... cartoons deemed offensive are being chopped up, re-dubbed and completely shelved because "Ted Turner refused to allow any of them to be transmitted on television or released on home videotape."

~Eric F 184.76.225.106 (talk) 18:48, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Turner simply continued the policy of the previous syndication rights holder, United Artists, which had gotten them from a.a.p., which in turn had gotten them from Warner Bros. in 1950. Also, your understanding of the entire rights situation is completely incorrect. oknazevad (talk) 02:48, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DVD Release

When are they coming out?--79.69.110.42 (talk) 18:30, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Don't hold your breath. Doyna Yar (talk) 03:41, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nine of the Eleven are available on this DVD at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Banned-Censored-Cartoons-Vol-1-Various/dp/B003XREN0K/ or so it appears. --Seduisant (talk) 04:54, 7 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Mel Blanc...did he also do the racist voices?

One important point left out..while Blanc was doing Bugs in one cartoon,who was the black voice? I can't seem to find any "credit" for who did those voices. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:4100:A1A0:21E0:959A:26D:A5C1 (talk) 05:00, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Better source for assertions in the Michelle Klein-Hass Usenet quote?

The article currently includes this quote:

According to the writer, Michelle Klein-Hass:
some even look at Clampett's Jazz cartoons and cry racism when Clampett was incredibly ahead of his time and was a friend to many of the greats of the LA jazz scene. All of the faces you see in Tin Pan Alley Cats and Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs are caricatures of real musicians he hung out with at the Central Avenue jazz and blues clubs of the '40s. He insisted that some of these musicians be in on the recording of the soundtracks for these two cartoons.
(Michelle Klein-Hass (2002-02-24). "Re: R.I.P. Chuck Jones – 1912–2002". Newsgroup: rec.arts.animation. Usenet: msgeek-2402020908000001@192.168.2.93. Retrieved 2024-11-29.)

It's not clear what makes a Usenet post from some random online writer a source significant enough to quote. Can better sources be found for the assertions that Clampett was ahead of his time, that the cartoon's faces are caricatures of jazz musicians he was friends with, and that those musicians participated in the recording of those soundtracks? 86.172.216.64 (talk) 14:28, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Edits of July 2021

Ok, first off, this article is about a specific set of Looney Tunes/Merry Melodies cartoons that have been largely out of circulation since the 1960s, not all historic cartoons that have been removed from circulation because of concerns of their inclusion of harmful stereotypes. So while some mention of other Looney Tunes cartoons that have also been similarly un-syndicated for similar concerns in the years since is appropriate, inclusion of non-Looney Tunes material is not, even if the rights to those old cartoons now belong to WarnerMedia as well. They're not part of the series.

Also, there was way too much dubious stuff. The message board post quite plainly fails as a reliable source, or in doing anything to establish the relevance or notability of the person being quoted; as such a concern was already voiced above, I just straight up removed it. Also, the completely unsourced claim that all Bosko cartoons are out of circulation is plainly false. They're all on HBO Max and I could watch them right this second. That's definitely not out-of-circulation. I removed it. oknazevad (talk) 03:14, 20 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]