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While you are welcome to potter through the archives the meaning of life is not there.'' {{Clear}} == Decline of Quantium Solutions (draft) == Hi Timtrent, would like to clarify that for the university report, it is a published case under Institutional Knowledge(InK) by a reputable university in Singapore (SMU) and its contents are available on many OAI-POH platforms such as Google Scholar. I think this source qualifies as a reputable one? Please advice, thanks! [[User:Fuzzster87|Fuzzster87]] ([[User talk:Fuzzster87|talk]]) 06:37, 16 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Fuzzster87}} I wonder why you have not linked to the article. It is at [[Draft:Quantium Solutions]] :But I asked if it had been peer reviewed, not who had published it. Peer reviewed or not, you need more references from [[WP:RS]] for the article to go forward. If you do not it will be challenged there and, potentially, deleted. Being asked to edity now is much more plesant than having to defend against deletion. :Find more references. We require sourcing from significant coverage about the entity, and independent of it, and in [[WP:RS]] please. Then resubmit it after removing any doubtful ones. I try very hard not to re-review articles. You need more eyes than my own, so I am unlikely to re-review it. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 07:32, 16 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Timtrent}} Firstly would like to thank you for taking the time and effort to discuss on each individual source and on its credibility. It has been really helpful. I am trying to find at least one more justifiable source to make this article substantial enough. Will notify you when I have resubmitted it. Just for information, it is alright for me to label this article as a stub so that others can work on it in future - ie. when Quantium Solutions undergo new developments etc. Let me know thanks! [[User:Fuzzster87|Fuzzster87]] ([[User talk:Fuzzster87|talk]]) 02:33, 20 June 2014 (UTC) ::{{Ping|Fuzzster87}} The stub flagging is really an esoteric way of saying "This is a short article." and it is fine if you label it. It does not mean that anyone will work ion itr for ages. But they will, sooner or later. Label with pleasure. Good luck with your reference hunt. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 06:25, 20 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Timtrent}} Hi, I have found 2 more references for Quantium Solutions, and resubmitted my article. Do let me know if the article is substantial enough, many thanks for the assistance thus far![[User:Fuzzster87|Fuzzster87]] ([[User talk:Fuzzster87|talk]]) 04:01, 24 June 2014 (UTC) ::{{Ping|Fuzzster87}} It looks as if it has been a hard, hard search. If I were to re-review the article now I would have a problem with http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/21/ny-payoneer-idUSnBw216463a+100+BSW20140121 since it is a press release. http://postandparcel.info/31135/news/singpost-“cautiously-optimistic”-after-3q-results/ is fine for me, but ok. It has the look and feel of PR material, but seems to be a report of the formal annual report. If you want to remove the press release one and resubmit and let me know I would feel able to accept it. BUT there is no guarantee that others will feel the same once it is an accepted article, and you should keep seeking and adding references that are independent of Quantium. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 06:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Timtrent}} Hi, yes it has been indeed a hard search. I have removed the press release from the article. Just out of curiosity though, would the following reference http://finance.yahoo.com/news/payoneer-partners-quantium-solutions-inc-180000180.html be regarded as a press release as well? Thanks for the help thus far, I've resubmitted the article as well. Many thanks![[User:Fuzzster87|Fuzzster87]] ([[User talk:Fuzzster87|talk]]) 07:51, 24 June 2014 (UTC) ::It would. The clue is in "NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--" among other things. I have tried to accept the article, but there is something in the way. Please remind me in a few hours when I hope the something will be gone. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 07:55, 24 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Timtrent}} Hi, thanks for the update. Was there something wrong with the article format?[[User:Fuzzster87|Fuzzster87]] ([[User talk:Fuzzster87|talk]]) 02:29, 25 June 2014 (UTC) ::{{Ping|Fuzzster87}} Nothing wrong with the format. We have an issue harder to solve. The admin who protected [[Quantium Solutions]] against re-creation has been asked to unprotect it but has offered an alternate opinion on the new article. I have placed his comment there. He has chosen, as is his right, not to unprotect it, so I cannot move it to the final name. Wikipedia is not, as you are finding, a simple place to write articles. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 07:55, 25 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Timtrent}} It is indeed hard to write articles in this space when things are seen subjectively. So the conclusion is this article cannot pass? Can you explain what he meant by the subject would go better within Singapore Post article with a redirect from QS? What can I do on my end? Thanks for the assitance![[User:Fuzzster87|Fuzzster87]] ([[User talk:Fuzzster87|talk]]) 09:37, 25 June 2014 (UTC) ::{{Ping|Fuzzster87}} You are suffering from multiple creations of the same article. Normally it is not this hard. Normally one creates a draft, fixes most things, and it is accepted, even if there is some way to go towards perfection, even if the reviewer you meet is as pedantic as am I. ::What he is suggesting is that you merge the information into the other article, adding a section if necessary. Now he may not be right. None of us needs to be right. I suggest the route forward is to consider his suggestion and to open a dialogue with him. As you know, were it not for the history, I would have accepted the article. However, a thing to know is that, once an article, ''anything'' can happen to it, including someone else merging it into the other article. I would have not objected had it been merged subsequently. ::Wikipedia can be subjective, yes. The concept is a mixed blessing and the alleged wisdom of crowds can result in moronic stupidity. ::That is not the case here at all, that is a general remark, born out of frustration with seeing it at times. {{U|RHaworth}} is a careful and considered admin, and what he says is well worth weighing and discussing, much like you and I are discussing matters. Approach him for advice on his talk page and acknowledge to yourself that either he or you, or neither of you may be correct. There is a route forward. The finding of it is the fun of the chase. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 09:48, 25 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Timtrent}} Hi, thanks for the reply. I have actually initated a talk with him previously when I first submitted the article, but at that time I submitted it directly (was not aware of this submit a draft first option). However instead of getting advice the talk became a heated discussion as archived here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:RHaworth/2014_May_22#Deletion_of_Quantium_Solutions. I will still try to initiate a conversation as I have very much improved on the article compared to my previous submission, thanks to your help. Just wanted to clarify what you meant as "merge"? I'm wondering if I add a few liners on Singapore Post wikipedia about QS, and link it out as a stub for others to add on it, will that be plausible? Once again, thanks! [[User:Fuzzster87|Fuzzster87]] ([[User talk:Fuzzster87|talk]]) 02:52, 26 June 2014 (UTC) ::{{Ping|Fuzzster87}} What I would do if I had spent as much time ofnm the QS article as you have is to take a hard look at the SP article, and create a section for QS. I would then edit QS 'into it' in such a form that it looks and fees appropriate to be a section not a main article. I would take it with all references intact, and copy and paste it into the new section. ::Having done that I would place a message on the SP talk page with a heading <nowiki>==Quantium Solutions==</nowiki> and make a statement that I have added the text for QS into SP after spending some time and [[WP:AFC]] where a reviewer determined that this was an appropriate route to follow. Then I would walk quietly away and absolutely ignore any further editing to it. ::A final act would be to ask RH to create [[Quantium Solutions]] as a redirect to the ''section'' of SP, something he can do because he has the power to alter the protection on the QS page. ::At this point it is "Job Done". There is nothing left to do. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 07:36, 26 June 2014 (UTC) == regarding recent submission rejection == Hi there Thanks for the quick review. I made some edits to the language and added a couple more references and hope the tone is neutral and acceptable. - Brent <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bbrookler|Bbrookler]] ([[User talk:Bbrookler|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bbrookler|contribs]]) 17:52, 18 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :{{Ping|Bbrookler}} A great deal better in my eyes. The opening para about 'leading', though. You need to think "Dull but worthy" as of you were sitting suffering the most tedious powerpoint presentation of all time. Let me try: :We have "''Flowboard is a leading interactive presentation app and platform built first for the iPad and web. Flowboard allows users to create, publish and share presentations through their cloud-based SaaS system. Flowboard is the first presentation software to allow embedding of PDFs, video and gallery objects in easy linkable screens, defining modern interactive presentations. Flowboard grew out of Treemo Labs.''" :Now here's my go at it: :"''Flowboard is an interactive presentation app and platform for the iPad and web. It allows users to create, publish and share presentations through their cloud-based SaaS system. Flowboard is the first presentation software to allow embedding of PDFs, video and gallery objects in easy linkable screens, defining modern interactive presentations<boy does that 'is the first' stuff need a reference, otherwise you have to lose the "is the first" element>. Flowboard is also the new name for Treemo Labs"'' :Not much different. A few subtle changes can remove advertorial and peacock words and render it dull and lifeless, or, as we say, [[WP:NPOV]]. And yes, I know precisely how hard this is. My career was in sales and marketing! If you can wrote for Wikipedia then your bullshit and hype (oops, "Marketing") will be far easier to write. A paradox, but it works. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 18:56, 18 June 2014 (UTC) Thanks again! I made edits per your advice here. I seem to have made a mistake, I meant to have the page be /wiki/Flowboard_Presentation_Software but it looks like it is /wiki/Flowboard - how do I remedy this? Thanks again! <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Bbrookler|Bbrookler]] ([[User talk:Bbrookler|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bbrookler|contribs]]) 21:12, 18 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :{{done}} [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 21:34, 18 June 2014 (UTC) Any idea how I can get this article reviewed again, it's been another week? Thanks! [[User:Bbrookler|Bbrookler]] ([[User talk:Bbrookler|talk]]) 19:39, 25 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Bbrookler}} I fear there is no way of hastening a review. Since I have effectively participated in the article by offering very specific advice I don't feel able to re-review it myself, as I'm sure you appreciate. Whatever you do, do not re-re-resubmit it. As far as I can tell that changes the submission date to the day you do it and will ''delay'' the review. Most reviewers work from the oldest to the newest, though there are exceptions. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 19:48, 25 June 2014 (UTC) Thanks for the lightning fast reply! Do you know of any other reviewers who could look at this? [[User:Bbrookler|Bbrookler]] ([[User talk:Bbrookler|talk]]) 20:04, 25 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Bbrookler}} Many, but none would accede to a request to accelerate matters. This is one area where squeaky wheels tend to receive less oil than any of the others. I'm afraid Wikipedia is an exercise in patience. What I suggest is that, apart form improving the article as you find more references, you ignore it completely. I know Flowboard is your beloved child, but a wikipedia article is truly irrelevant to its commercial success. Treat it as "Job done" until it is reviewed :By the way, as soon as it ''is'' accepted, leave it ''alone'' because at that point your [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] will become important. In Draft space it is far less so. There are mechanisms for asking for edits to a real article, and they avoid your doing it yourself. :Let me suggest you have some fun. Edit other articles that interest you and improve them. Writing for WIkipedia is a huge challenge and will most definitely improve your own professional copywriting. I speak as a long term, now retired, specialist in bullshit and hype (Marketing!). Editing here meant I was better in real life. I was able to detach myself from the topic and produce what was needed in the tone required. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 20:15, 25 June 2014 (UTC) Thanks for the calm, measured advice. I will consider it done until I get an acceptance or rejection :) I will look into some other articles to edit as well. Thanks again! [[User:Bbrookler|Bbrookler]] ([[User talk:Bbrookler|talk]]) 20:32, 25 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Bbrookler}} It can become quite an interesting hobby, in a geeky sort of way {{Smiley}}. It also teaches us an awful lot about non face to face communication and how fast that can go wrong. Think of your last poor email experience and you have it in spades! [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 20:38, 25 June 2014 (UTC) ==Elizabeth Taylor== I guess I don't understand this yet. I submitted a correction on a factual error regarding Elizabeth Taylor, her contract with MGM, her free agency, etc. The info. is wrong in the article, Suddenly, Summer was a Columbia Picture, but MGM was still calling the shots. She couldn't appear in another studio's film without MGM agreeing to loan her out. My info. is correct. Robert L. Brunelli <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sunfighter1|Sunfighter1]] ([[User talk:Sunfighter1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sunfighter1|contribs]]) 00:03, 23 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :{{Ping|Sunfighter1}} So, as I am sure I suggested, please ''correct the article''. WIkipedia is the encyclopaedia ''anyone can edit''. Go to the relevant article and click the 'edit' tab, and take it from there. Even when your information is correct you still need references. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 08:18, 23 June 2014 (UTC) == Polystar article - comments on declined submission == Hi Timtrent, I saw that you edited my article, which is great. Thanks for doing it so soon after submission. This is my article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Polystar You left some comments which I'm not sure I fully understand. I think it would be beneficial for you to give specific examples of my issues with sources. I have used all the sources I had available, none of which are related to the subject of my article. I don't mind revising it numerous times, but I need a little more help. Best, Guy <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Guy redmill|Guy redmill]] ([[User talk:Guy redmill|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Guy redmill|contribs]]) 08:55, 23 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :{{Ping|Guy redmil}} Before I go into any more detail, of which there is not much, did you read the specific comment under the 'decline' boxes? It was intended to be as specific as possible, but I am happy to explain further once I know you have read it and the links it gives you. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 08:59, 23 June 2014 (UTC) @Timtrent Yes, I have read those comments and the links. If you were to provide examples using my article it would be easier to understand entirely what I need to change. While I don't mind revising the article numerous times, it would be better to make all necessary changes at once. Please advise. Guy :{{Ping|Guy redmil}} I have done my best with a further comment on the article, this time in detail. Please ask me very specific questions if I have not met your needs. I intend to answer you, I just may not be understanding what you are asking me. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 15:52, 27 June 2014 (UTC) @Timtrent That's fine. Thanks. Is it Timtrent or Fiddle Faddle I'm writing to? Sorry, the 'User' code in your comments show "Timtrent". I intend to fix the broken links or find other sources. I wasn't sure why the 'Frost' reference was unacceptable, but now that you have explained I understand fully. Conclusions: more sources = better and avoid press releases in general. Thanks. Although I find the explanations of the articles you link to slightly difficult to put into practice. Thanks a lot. Guy == Buyer (disambiguation) == I don't understand what you're saying. "The two pages..." There are four pages: [[buyer]], [[buyer (fashion)]], [[Franklin Pierce Buyer]], and [[Steve Buyer]]. All of them are on different topics, and [[buyer]] would appear to be [[WP:PTOPIC|primary]]. There's nothing in my submitted disambiguation page that belongs in the [[buyer]] article, except for the single lead sentence to clarify what the primary topic is, and that's normal. You wouldn't remove "A tree is a perennial woody plant" from [[tree (disambiguation)]] just because it's already in [[tree]]. If I would follow your advice and turn [[buyer]] into a disambiguation page, where would I put its current contents? We'd have to move the page (and then put a disambiguation page there), or we'd have to create a mess by [[Wikipedia:How to fix cut-and-paste moves|performing a copy/paste move]]. [[Special:Contributions/149.160.173.187|149.160.173.187]] ([[User talk:149.160.173.187|talk]]) 14:49, 23 June 2014 (UTC) :Then feel free to resubmit. My opinion may be incorrect. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 14:51, 23 June 2014 (UTC) == ECB == I agree with you - and can't see where DGG got the idea that it was copied from here. I've deleted as a copyvio of a different site which is even less likely to have been copied from here than the livingtemples one. I also reserve the right to be wrong... [[User:Peridon|Peridon]] ([[User talk:Peridon|talk]]) 15:18, 23 June 2014 (UTC) == Regarding my article == I want to change the name of the article from Rajiv Gandhi Rajiv Gandhi Rajiv Gandhi International Cricket Stadium to Rajiv Gandhi International Cricket Stadium (Dehradun). <ref> [http://www.tribuneindia.com/2012/20121116/dun.htm#1]</ref> How can I do it i am getting it. {{Unsigned|2= 16:27, 23 June 2014‎ |1=Harshhussey}} :{{Ping|Harshhussey}} All things cna be changed but you may not yet have the rights to move an article to a new name. May I counsel you against moving an existing article without requesting a consensus on the article's talk page. If it is your own sandbox you speak of, while I can move it to a new name as a draft, I will not because I believe that you need to edit the existing article. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 17:13, 23 June 2014 (UTC) == Question about linking to corporation website == Hi, A draft I submitted ("Vident Financial") was rejected for the following reasons: "The corporation's own web site is invalid as a reference. We require sourcing from significant coverage about the entity, and independent of it" Obviously, I understand why information needs to come from a third party, but in this case it's literally just a description of the company. I've noticed a handful of other similar companies who use references to their own website for non-qualitative, technical descriptions of their operations. Any clarification you can offer on this point would be helpful and appreciated. Thanks in advance. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:TWTCommish|TWTCommish]] ([[User talk:TWTCommish|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TWTCommish|contribs]]) 17:07, 23 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :{{Ping|TWTCommish}} One may use the org;s own site ''sparingly'' as a reference, but you have it as 66.667% of your references. I quote understand why you would compare similar articles, but consider this: If we allow a poor article to set a precedent for accepting a new article the quality will degrade because the precedents degrade in quality. The trick to getting an article accepted here is to get many reliable and independent references. At present Vident is displayed as a run of the mill financial services company. While it does not need to be unique to merit a WIkipedia article it must be [[WP:N|notable]], and nothing in the article nor the references asserts notability. Reading [[User:Timtrent/A good article]] may be beneficial. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 17:22, 23 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Timtrent}} 66.67% seems like a pretty loaded way to say "2 out of 3," especially given that the small number there is a reflection of the fact that it's a simple entry (which is by design, given that it was flagged for being too much like an advertisement when it was more detailed). As for noteworthiness, a perusal of coverage on ETF sites should more than establish that. I'll assume, then, that referencing another of these will suffice and will resubmit shortly. [[User:TWTCommish]] ::I try very hard not to re-revoew articles, so I wish you joy. How is 66.667% different form 2 out of 3? One in three is a good reference in the revision I reviewed. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 17:31, 23 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Timtrent}} It's not technically different, hence the word "loaded." :) It'd be like saying "100%" for 1 out of 1. Nevertheless, I'm editing it now. [[User:TWTCommish]] == Tehanim/sandbox == Not sure how this [[Tehanim/sandbox|article]] shows any evidence of meeting [[WP:GNG]], or why it was moved to this title. Was it just an aberration on your part?! I guess an alternative to speedy deletion would be to move it back to AfC to give the author a chance to improve it. [[User:Sionk|Sionk]] ([[User talk:Sionk|talk]]) 19:17, 23 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Sionk}} Total brain failure on my part. I think I have undone it (though am checking) and also apologised to the author. Thanks for spotting it. Good catch. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 19:28, 23 June 2014 (UTC) == Thank you for the correction == Thanks for the correction. It happens to be that my institution is doing a write-up on our school and the founder Mrs. Kehinde Nwani and most of her works are on the net. I know it is a copyright violation as you have stated it but I didn't think in that direction in the first place being that most of what was written about her where interviews conducted with her. I will go on and interview my boss to get better information for the purpose of this write-up and others which will come up in the future. once again, I thank you for the correction. God bless you. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Chinelonma|Chinelonma]] ([[User talk:Chinelonma|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chinelonma|contribs]]) 13:58, 24 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> == A barnstar for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]] |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Original Barnstar''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thanks for the correction. It happens to be that my institution is doing a write-up on our school and the founder Mrs. Kehinde Nwani and most of her works are on the net. I know it is a copyright violation as you have stated it but I didn't think in that direction in the first place being that most of what was written about her where interviews conducted with her. I will go on and interview my boss to get better information for the purpose of this write-up and others which will come up in the future. once again, I thank you for the correction. God bless you. [[User:Chinelonma|Chinelonma]] ([[User talk:Chinelonma|talk]]) 13:59, 24 June 2014 (UTC) |} :{{Ping|Chinelonma}} I have no deity, but I thank you for the thought. May I counsel you to create the article in a different manner, please. Find references in the media, online or printed or radio or TV, and use the facts they report to build the article. Write the article withouit speaking to the lady at all, just on what is reported about her. You see we can only go on reported facts, not on first hand accounts. This is the way of the encyclopaedia. :For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every fact you assert requires a citation with a reference that is ''about them'', and is ''independent of them'', and is in [[WP:RS]] :You may also find [[User:Timtrent/A good article]] useful [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 14:03, 24 June 2014 (UTC) == Please check new source == '''@Timtrent''' Can you please check new academic study I have added to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:FloraQueen#References Does it affect notability? What else is missing in terms of sources. Thanks [[User:Theone net|Theone net]] ([[User talk:Theone net|talk]]) 14:18, 24 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Theone net}} it does not harm it, but the thesis need to have been published and peer reviewed for it to help it. UNreviewed it is an indicator that the organisation has notability, but it is not enough. Reviewed it is better, but not sufficient. I can;t do better than explain what is required. We require sourcing from significant coverage ''about'' the entity, and ''independent'' of it, and in [[WP:RS]] please. See [[WP:42]]. :In addition the tone is advertorial. You need to edit it to be 'dull but worthy'. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 17:00, 24 June 2014 (UTC) {{Ping|Timtrent}} Thesis published where and peer reviewed where? With reviewed peer, do you mean author of this thesis? :{{Ping|Theone net}} The paper needs to have been 'published' in academic terms, and/or 'peer reviewed' in academic terms. The world of academe has mechanisms for papers being published in journals or repute, or of peer review. WHat I suggest you do with this proposed reference is to ask a question at [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard]], showing them the link to the reference and asking if this is a suitable reference. I am not competent to make that call. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 08:22, 25 June 2014 (UTC) == AFD Notice == A draft submission that you had previously declined that was promoted to article space over the suggestions of AFC, [[Kash Gauni]], is now up for deletion. As the commentary from AFC is used as a contributing reason for deletion, please feel free to look in and give your thoughts. [[User:Hasteur|Hasteur]] ([[User talk:Hasteur|talk]]) 15:48, 24 June 2014 (UTC) :{{done}}, and thank you for the notification. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 16:55, 24 June 2014 (UTC) == Please solve my "Oops" == {{Admin help|answered=yes}} I migrated a page to Draft: from a User Page and the User Talk page has come too. Pages concerned are * [[User talk:Ndidi Okonkwo Nwuneli]] * [[Draft talk:Ndidi Okonkwo Nwuneli]] The user talk page is a redirect PLUS an edit, so I am unable to solve the problem. Please would a very kind admin sew this back together such that [[Draft talk:Ndidi Okonkwo Nwuneli]] is empty, and [[User talk:Ndidi Okonkwo Nwuneli]] has the prior commentary merged into it and, presumably, a history merge performed. I'm sure it was all my fault. My apologies [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 17:14, 24 June 2014 (UTC) :Looking into it... [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 17:27, 24 June 2014 (UTC) :Done. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 17:35, 24 June 2014 (UTC) * Darn... You're too fast {{U|PrimeHunter|PH}}... I was going to test a theory of mine that if I was to rollback my semi-automated edit using the actual rollback right, then the only edit on the page would be the move and a [[WP:MOR|MOR]] could be done to move the talk page back... Oh well, I'm sure another opportunity will arise at some point (or I'll force a use case on testwiki). — <span class="nowrap">&#123;&#123;U&#124;[[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]]&#125;&#125; ^{([[Special:EmailUser/Technical 13|e]] • [[User talk:Technical 13|t]] • [[Special:Contribs/Technical 13|c]])}</span> 17:41, 24 June 2014 (UTC) :*Thanks PH. T13, that was beyond me! Well, not really, but let's just say it was! [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 17:46, 24 June 2014 (UTC) :*A rollback leaves another edit in the page history so I'm pretty sure that wouldn't allow a move over redirect but I haven't tried. Thanks for the explanation about the rewrite script. [[User:PrimeHunter|PrimeHunter]] ([[User talk:PrimeHunter|talk]]) 17:48, 24 June 2014 (UTC) ==Symphony Analytics== HI Timtrent. I noticed you declined the article for creation, Symphony Analytics. I can't find where it is now. Could you point to it, and give me a couple of extra pointers as to what I need to do to fix the issues you have? Thanks [[User:PaulinSweden|PaulinSweden]] ([[User talk:PaulinSweden|talk]]) 11:51, 25 June 2014 (UTC)PaulinSweden :{{Done}} message left on your talk page [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 17:01, 25 June 2014 (UTC) ==Appletree Medical Group== This article has references to ten different sources, none of which, as far as I know, have any relationship to the subject. I don't understand how the references could be improved. This operation is being cited in the UK by academics and managers as an example for our NHS to follow. This is a contribution to the WikiProject National Health Service. Can you please make it clearer how you think the article could be improved? [[User:Rathfelder|Rathfelder]] ([[User talk:Rathfelder|talk]]) 19:32, 26 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Rathfelder}} I am not sure how I can make it clearer except for going through each source and explaining with precision what is wrong with it. Have you looked in detail at each yourself? [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 19:37, 26 June 2014 (UTC) ::{{Ping|Rathfelder}} I have now analysed each reference and commented on the draft. If I have not achieved clarity I will be more than happy is you ask for other eyes, perhaps at the AFC help desk? [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 22:54, 26 June 2014 (UTC) == Aristedes Metallinos - rejected draft == Dear Timtrent. Thanks for your swift response on my latest draft on the laic (lay) sculptor Aristedes Zacharias Metallinos. Publications about this man are in Greek. I have been striving to arrive at accurate translation, hence the time I am taking. So far as I can discover only one of the references I quoted is on-line - the one by [[ http://www.gbip.gr/book/95557|Eurydice Antzoulatou-Retsila]]. This link refers to an edited compilation containing the relevant article about the subject, rather than the original article about Metallinos by the same author in 1985. Eurydice Antzoulatou-Retsila (1985) ‘The folklore of Corfu in the art of the laic stone-sculptor Aristidi Metallinou’, article in ''Miriovivlos Periodical'', issue 7, pp. 37-47 [http://vikiretsila.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/evrydiki-antzoulatou-retsila.html Dr. Antzoulatou-Retsila's] reputation as a student, researcher and writer on the study of Hellenistic folklore is established. I am striving to contact her to see if there is an on-line transcript of her 24 page article (with images) about Metallinos. I'm relieved you say this is not essential to establish the artist's notability, but that more of what is written in this and the other article by Mari should be in my submission. Have I understood you correctly? I will work, as you kindly suggest, on the Mari biography. This is a mere 130 words long (in Greek) containing a rather rough photo of the man's face as a young man and images of some of his sculptures. I can find no on-line record of this book, though I have held Mari's publication - a collection of biographies - in my hands. I will work on weaving this short biography more effectively into the Wikipedia draft. Metallinos is an interesting man - an artisan who took to sculpture in stone and marble in the last 12 years of his life producing at least 250 works; worthy in my view, and I hope yours, of an entry in Wikipedia. Outside the academic articles I have found, Metallinos' work is almost unknown, being contained in a closed museum, where I have viewed them, in the village of the artist's birth. Your continued tutelage would be valued. I have made several contributions to Wikipedia, but I am finding this the most challenging. Best wishes [[User:Sibadd|Simon Baddeley]] ([[User talk:Sibadd|talk]]) 08:05, 27 June 2014 (UTC) [[User:Sibadd|Simon Baddeley]] ([[User talk:Sibadd|talk]]) 08:11, 27 June 2014 (UTC)[[User:Sibadd|Simon Baddeley]] ([[User talk:Sibadd|talk]]) 09:57, 27 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Sibadd}} There is every reason to have references in Greek, they are allowed. However that does not help when one attempts to assess an article. IT will simply delay matters, but that is fine. Time we have. What we want to achieve is for the raft to be good enough to accept with small risk of nomination for deletion. :{{Find sources|Aristedes Zacharias Metallinos}} :{{Find sources|Aristedes Metallinos}} :{{Find sources|Άριστείδη Μεταλληνοῦ}} :Both of those may help you. :Fundamental to any wikipedia article is knowing in the very first sentences why the topic, in this case the gentleman, is notable. We need something like "''Aristedes Metallinos produced over 250 sculptures, one of which sold recently for $1,.5m, and is acknowledged as the premier sculptor of Greece''" This is patently untrue, but has the notability one requires that one requires :Find any media coverage about him. :Read [[User:Timtrent/A good article]] :Have good luck! [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 13:00, 27 June 2014 (UTC) It looks as if 'my' article on Metallinos has been accepted, but I believe with you that the subject needs and deserves further verification in line with your advice above, i.e entry on Greek wikipedia, translation of available academic reference material woven into the piece and images of the artist's work that support the key concept of 'notability'. Thank you for your continued interest. I am encouraged to persevere with the article by Wiki's trust in my good faith in an untrustworthy world. [[User:Sibadd|Simon Baddeley]] ([[User talk:Sibadd|talk]]) 10:46, 28 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Sibadd}} I'm not sure that what I see as premature acceptance has done you any favours, unfortunately. If someone nominates it for deletion at present, something I hope will not happen, it will limit your time to work. I prefer the quiet of the draft process to let people work unhindered by pressure. After all, time is a thing we all have. Go to it with a will, but not with a panic. You might want to open a dialogue with the editor who accepted. I usually trust his judgement. This time I am mildly concerned about the extra pressure he is putting you under. However, ''he'' may be intent on improving the article as well, of course, which would be an ''excellent'' outcome. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 10:55, 28 June 2014 (UTC) ::It surprised me but temperamentally I don't expect 'nice' surprises, and fully intend to continue working along the lines you advise. So - yes - it is a favour, but as you say 'it may not be' - not least because I know you will be watching to see that the article is improved. I am puzzled at the moment as to how to upload an indicative image that at present I have on my blog - among other examples of the sculptors work on the lost pastoral life of a Greek village. He made ten reliefs of this kind, i.e. [http://democracystreet.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/ano-korakiana-in-relief.html Ano Korakiana in relief]. I have permission from the Metallinos family to display these on the internet. I have also had permission from Angeliki Metallinos, grand-daughter pf the sculptor, to place images of her grandfather's work in the public domain, available as 'creative commons' material in any article that might appear in Wikipedia. The sculptor intended his work to be a gift to the village of Ano Korakiana, leaving specific instructions that his work not to be divided or sold. It is this condition which I deeply respect but which makes establishing the sculptor's notability especially difficult. I have run photos of the work by members of the British Council and by other critics - Greek and British. They are intrigued and impressed by the work of the laic sculptor and believe it would be good if his achievements were known. Again many thanks for your tutelage.[[User:Sibadd|Simon Baddeley]] ([[User talk:Sibadd|talk]]) 11:35, 28 June 2014 (UTC) ::I published the article, and I did so because it clearly meets [[WP:GNG]] (which says nothing about your imagined "first sentences" requirement). You are, of course, welcome to test that at AfD, where I look forward to making the case in its favour. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 11:50, 28 June 2014 (UTC) :::Why so combative, Andy? There really is no need. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 12:00, 28 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Sibadd}} There is a procedure for the donation of copyright materials. I suggest the Wikimedia Commons procedure is followed, which wil distrubute the pictures wider because they become immediately available in all the WMF projects. [[Commons:Help_desk]] should be able to put you on the right track. Whatever the process is you will need evidence in the form they suggest from the estate of the artist in order to upload them. :Again, good luck. And let me know how I can help you. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 11:55, 28 June 2014 (UTC) == Margaret Catherine Alice Hyson article == Hello, Timtrent, I rewrote parts of the article on Margaret Catherine Alice Hyson, and gave additional references. Could you kindly review it again to see if it is ready to be published on Wikipedia? I was participating in the GLAM Wiki - Wiki Pride event yesterday and had hoped to have this article included. Thanks so much! <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:TJentzsch|TJentzsch]] ([[User talk:TJentzsch|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TJentzsch|contribs]]) 13:23, 27 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :{{Done}} {{Accepted}} [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 13:44, 27 June 2014 (UTC) == Margaret Catherine Alice Hyson article == Thank you for your assistance with this article! This really is a learning process, and it helps to have the guidance of great editors. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:TJentzsch|TJentzsch]] ([[User talk:TJentzsch|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/TJentzsch|contribs]]) 13:53, 27 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> == Tsogo Sun AfD == You're right, of course. I'll admit I was somewhat irritated at the time, mainly because my request to respeedy the damn thing had been declined, and thought it was probably better to just ping other people than to risk saying something out of line. Also, JamesBWatson had already expressed it far better than I ever would, and I fully expected that the people who had previously flagged or deleted this would speak up. In case you didn't catch what he said.... {{quote|That left me with question "are there no suitable sources, or are there plenty of sources, but Alison, lacking experience of how Wikipedia works, has failed to provide them?" so, as I have said already, I made my own searches for sources. Unfortunately, I found very little that was at all helpful. For example, in a Google search for "Tsogo Sun", the first couple of pages of hits included the following: 11 pages at www.tsogosunhotels.com (clearly not an independent source); Wikipedia, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube (all of them not independent or not reliable or both); a page at www.bloomberg.com merely giving statistics relating to stocks and financial issue, not substantial coverage; a pdf file at www.discovery.co.za, which is clearly an advertising brochure; and so on... I had to search well down the list of hits before I found things such as http://www.iol.co.za/business/news/sabmiller-reviews-tsogo-sun-stake-1.1676630, which does appear to be an independent reliable source, but it is merely a news report that a business was "reviewing" its stake in Tsogo Sun, and could not possibly be regarded as substantial coverage of Tsogo Sun itself. Wikipedia's notability criteria are often criticised, as many people see them as giving too much weight to subjects that are of trivial importance, but which receive a lot of popular attention, while giving too little weight to more solid subjects of a less popular kind. Many newcomers to editing Wikipedia are surprised to see that even quite a large and successful company may fail to satisfy Wikipedia's notability standards, while many people (including myself) think that Wikipedia gives a ridiculous amount of coverage to utter trivia, such as individual minor characters in cartoon series. However, assessing the subject according to what Wikipedia's guidelines are, rather than what you or I might think they should be, I'm afraid I really cannot see any evidence at all that Tsogo Sun comes anywhere near to satisfying those guidelines. That being so, any article on the subject, no matter how it might be written, would almost certainly be deleted. Saying such a negative thing may seem unfriendly, but in fact I think it would be much less friendly to give you false hope, by advising you on how to improve the article, thereby encouraging you to spend time and effort on it, which would be likely to be wasted time and effort, as the article would be likely to be deleted anyway. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk)5:07 am, 12 June 2014, Thursday (15 days ago) (UTC−5)}} At the time he said that, I don't know if he was aware that the article had already been created, deleted, and REFUNDed under a different username, and I'm pretty sure he missed that her response was to just cut-and-paste it under a different capitalization. (sigh) [[User:Revent|<font face="comic sans ms" color="MidnightBlue">Revent</font>]]^{[[User_talk:Revent|'''<font face="comic sans ms" color="darkgreen">talk</font>''']]} 14:38, 27 June 2014 (UTC) :I was really also rehearsing what others will say. Yes, I read it. I also checked all the references. I don't understand why it isn't notable, but it isn't. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 14:43, 27 June 2014 (UTC) == CV == You've just missed a copyvio [[Draft:Hulamin Limited|here]]. [[User:FoCuSandLeArN|FoCuSandLeArN]] ([[User talk:FoCuSandLeArN|talk]]) 14:38, 27 June 2014 (UTC) :Well caught. I think I am tired. I saw one of them and decided it was insufficient. You caught the lot. {{Smiley}} [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 14:41, 27 June 2014 (UTC) == Trade Point and XM == Hi Tim, Thanks very much for your feedback. I agree that it would be best to write an article for the holding company, Trade Point, and then spin off sections into other freestanding articles. For this reason, I have created an article about Trade Point, discussing strictly information about it and presenting its subsidiaries. Further, I cleaned up the article about XM which I wrote yesterday, removing all unnecessary information and references relating to other entities. I trust that the content is clearer now. Last, I have also found logos for both articles, but I understand these need to be added after the articles are approved. I have just posted the article about Trade Point and resubmitted my article on XM. Could you please take a look and let me know if these two are OK now? Many thanks for your time. [[User:Cmanoli|Cmanoli]] ([[User talk:Cmanoli|talk]]) 20:49, 27 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|:Cmanoli}} I've reviewed the new draft. It has a few issues, but I think neither of us are surprised by that Review is an iterative process, and it may take a couple more goes to get it right. XM is much improved. There is a red error in the references. Are you able to correct that or do you need help? I suggest waiting until Trading Point is accepted before resubmitting XM. There are lessons you will learn and be able to put into practice. Time is a commodity that we have in plenty, and there is no rush. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 08:27, 28 June 2014 (UTC) == 00:03:30, 28 June 2014 review of submission by Odoule == {{Lafc|username=Odoule|ts=00:03:30, 28 June 2014|declined=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Guy_André_Boy}} I am requesting a re-review since the article was modified and I hope we understood well to the requests of your reviewers. Please let me know whether or not is the current version of the article acceptable. [[User:Odoule|Odoule]] ([[User talk:Odoule|talk]]) 00:03, 28 June 2014 (UTC) [[User:Odoule|Odoule]] ([[User talk:Odoule|talk]]) 00:03, 28 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Declined}} for reasons stated at the draft. Yo have doen a great deal of work. The draft process is iterative. The next review will not be by me. Other eyes are needed after you do this work. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 08:05, 28 June 2014 (UTC) == California Report Card Entry == Hi there, Thanks so much for your time and your feedback. This is my first time posting a new wikipedia article, so I am definitely still learning how to write an appropriate article. I can see what you mean about the issues with the entry I submitted. I tried my best to take out a lot of the sections in which I come to conclusions without outside sources. I saved this newly cut down version in my sandbox. If I resubmit will this second submission go to you again? Or should I post it here? Please let me know and thanks again for helping me fix this up -- I really appreciate it. Best, Olivia {{Unsigned|2= 05:07, 28 June 2014‎ |1=Oliviabarnett}} :{{Ping|Oliviabarnett}} I will have a look anyway. The process is that you resubmit for review. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 08:07, 28 June 2014 (UTC) ::One section lacks references. Work on these and then resubmit. Other eyes than mine are needed. [[User:Timtrent/A good article]] may help you for the future. Enjoy having fun here, it's a challenging hobby. Oh, words like 'moreover' hint at original research. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 08:12, 28 June 2014 (UTC) == 12:52:23, 28 June 2014 review of submission by Neelythecostars == {{Lafc|username=Neelythecostars|ts=12:52:23, 28 June 2014|declined=Draft:The_Co-Stars_Entertainment,_Inc.}} Asking for a re-review because per the composers verification standards listed in wiki, we qualify. We've been music producers/writers on several gold/platinum selling albums (3LW's [[3LW_(album)|3LW]], Sisqo's [[Unleash_the_Dragon|Unleash The Dragon]] and more. We're cited all over wikipedia for all productions included in the very extensive discography. We included the article from the [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/gaga-manager-teams-industry-vets-94804 Hollywood reporter] making reference to our partnership with Troy Carter (Lady Gaga's ex manager) forming Atom Factory Music Licensing, verifying our music production status. We also included an article from [http://books.google.com/books?id=wRQEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA51&lpg=PA51&dq=Neely+Dinkins+billboard&source=bl&ots=-M814Pd8DU&sig=gKuEOpczgJkwmzHFjFH8BYhKCk0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=vLmuU6CtE8f5oASW9IDQAw&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Neely%20Dinkins%20billboard&f=false billboard magazine August 13, 2005 issue], where they interviewed us. Not sure of how to provide better reliable sources than those digitally. Music Production credit's (i.e Produced by The Co-Stars) aren't very accessible online. Should be fair to estimate via the reliable sources provided and the amount pages showing us as music producers inside wiki. Not sure if you were confused because we labeled the page as The Co-Stars Ent., Inc (our complete legal corporation name)? If so, we can just use The Co-Stars for the wikipedia page, if that's more verifyable. [[User:Neelythecostars|Neelythecostars]] ([[User talk:Neelythecostars|talk]]) 12:52, 28 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Neelythecostars}} I refer you to my comment made when I declined the article. If you want a re-review then resubmit it, but ''do the work'' requested, please. You have not cited anything, you have left a stream of inline links. They are not the same thing. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 12:56, 28 June 2014 (UTC) Thank you sooo much! Can you possibly check the changes I made? I think I may have solved the problems after going to the links you provided.. Thanks again!!!!!! So helpful!!!!! :I can see that you have solved the issue I pointed out. I try not to review Music articles for more than basis issues because I do not consider myself competent to do in depth reviews in this area. Good catch. From my perspective, well done. Let's let a music specialist take a look now. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 08:14, 1 July 2014 (UTC) == Graphene flagship == Hello. Thanks for the super fast review of the page. I've looked it over and replaced the references with more diverse ones (not from the Flagship site). I hope it is good enough now. Thanks {{unsigned|2=20:32, 28 June 2014‎ |1=Newtocambridge}} :{{ping|Newtocambridge}} For my taste it feels a little in the realms of excitement and hyperbole (can one be have a little hyperbole?), but other eyes are needed to re-review it. May I suggest you improve it continuously while submitting it now? Make ot ''DU*ll but Worthy" and oyu will have our needs to perfection. Any further independent references will never hurt. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 19:57, 28 June 2014 (UTC) == A barnstar for you! == {| style="background-color: #fdffe7; border: 1px solid #fceb92;" |rowspan="2" style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 5px;" | [[File:Original Barnstar Hires.png|100px]] |style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Original Barnstar''' |- |style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Hopefully this doesn't show up twice, Wikipedia said there was an error in submitting. If it does, I'm sorry! Just wanted to thank you for your assistance with my first Wikipedia article, "Siouxsie Q." You made the process easy and painless while still informing me of ways to make the article better. Your hard work and dedication is much appreciated! [[User:AppendixGMedia|AppendixGMedia]] ([[User talk:AppendixGMedia|talk]]) 22:17, 28 June 2014 (UTC) |} == 08:41:47, 29 June 2014 review of submission by Prithvisimha092 == {{Lafc|username=Prithvisimha092|ts=08:41:47, 29 June 2014|declined=User:Prithvisimha092/sandbox}} Sir, I have spent a lot of time studying biofuels and the latest generation of biofuels; The article involves news and research on the second generation of biofuels and I thought that this would be of particular interest to the Scientific Community worldwide given the current focus on Energy and Fuels. Also, Wikipedia does not have an article on Drop-in Fuels and the technology that goes with it. Please advise what changes were required from my side. Regards ````Prithvi Simha the Scientific Community Prithvi Simha 08:41, 29 June 2014 (UTC) :Why do you expect me to tell you what to put in your draft. It was '''blank''', empty, devoid of content. Write the article first, then submit it. :Why, also, did you submit this talk page as an article? [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 08:46, 29 June 2014 (UTC) === 08:56:04, 29 June 2014 review of submission by Prithvisimha092 === {{Lafc|username=Prithvisimha092|ts=08:56:04, 29 June 2014|declinedtalk=User_talk:Prithvisimha092}} Dear Sir, I have discussed in my article the latest advances in the bio-fuels market and introduced to readers the concept of drop-in technology. Though a lot of people are aware of biofuels, advanced biofuels or drop-in fuels is a very recent development. I have scoured news articles, scientific research papers and governmental agency websites to select a few that readers will surely find interesting. I am new to Wikipedia and might have made some mistakes during submission which I have fail to notice and thus am requesting your assistance. Prithvi Prithvi Simha 08:56, 29 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Prithvisimha092}} That is not the item you submitted for review. I reviewed what was submitted, which was your sandbox. Do you want me to submit that draft for review for you? [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 09:00, 29 June 2014 (UTC) ==== 09:03:50, 29 June 2014 review of submission by Prithvisimha092 ==== {{Lafc|username=Prithvisimha092|ts=09:03:50, 29 June 2014|declinedtalk=User_talk:Prithvisimha092}} Dear Sir, Thank you for the reply. Yes I wanted my draft on "Drop-in Fuels" to be reviewed. Please submit the draft for me. I will get a hang of the submission process soon and such mistakes shall not be repeated from my side. Prithvi Simha 09:03, 29 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Done}}, but {{Declined}} [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 09:11, 29 June 2014 (UTC) ===== 09:15:32, 29 June 2014 review of submission by Prithvisimha092 ===== {{Lafc|username=Prithvisimha092|ts=09:15:32, 29 June 2014|declinedtalk=User_talk:Prithvisimha092}} Thank you for submitting my article. As you pointed out it was declined. I have published articles in international peer-reviewed journals. There reviewers comments are available to the authors to improve their articles. Could you please let me know if the article was rejected due to grammatical mistakes/errors or the content. I would then like to edit it and resubmit it. Prithvi Prithvi Simha 09:15, 29 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Prithvisimha092}} There is no need to start a new section every time you message me. PLease just continue the conversation, now under ''this'' subheading. the ":" character allows you to use indenting. IT is also Four ~ charaters to sign your name. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> gives the full signature. :If you go to the article you will find the content of the review. It is there, on the article, and forms part of the review history of the article. There is work to be done. You may find reading [[WP:ACADEME]] to be very useful here. Wikipedia is not Academe, and our rules and requirements are very different. You will find writing here a difficult and interesting exercise unlike anything you have encountered before. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 09:20, 29 June 2014 (UTC) ====== 09:29:59, 29 June 2014 review of submission by Prithvisimha092 ====== {{Lafc|username=Prithvisimha092|ts=09:29:59, 29 June 2014|declinedtalk=User_talk:Prithvisimha092}} Sir the article that you have moved to drafts is not the article that I intended to submit. I had modified it and included all paragraph breaks and references. Please direct me to a new submission page where I can submit my article again Prithvi Simha 09:29, 29 June 2014 (UTC) ======= 09:29:59, 29 June 2014 review of submission by Prithvisimha092 ======= {{Lafc|username=Prithvisimha092|ts=09:29:59, 29 June 2014|declinedtalk=User_talk:Prithvisimha092}} Sir the article that you have moved to drafts is not the article that I intended to submit. I had modified it and included all paragraph breaks and references. Please direct me to a new submission page where I can submit my article again Prithvi Simha 09:29, 29 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Prithvisimha092}} Please simply edit that article by changing it to the one you want to submit. Please '''do not create another one'''. Do not, please, remove anything above the <nowiki>----</nowiki> line. You have created no other articles. See [[Special:Contributions/Prithvisimha092]]. Thius this was the only one available, ''and' it was the one you asked me to submit above When you are finished, please simply ''resubmit''. And please STOP using new sections for every comment [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 09:37, 29 June 2014 (UTC) :: Sir, I have resubmitted the article as per your guidelines. Please let me know if I have done this the correct way. --Prithvi Simha 12:24, 29 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Prithvisimha092}} You have submitted it correctly, thank you. Now we will await a new reviewer to review the new work. Please use FOUR ~ characters when you sign messages. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 12:26, 29 June 2014 (UTC) ::: Thanks. Still getting to know how to use all the syntax. Prithvi Simha 12:28, 29 June 2014 (UTC) == 09:35:31, 29 June 2014 review of submission by Ubmaurya == {{Lafc|username=Ubmaurya|ts=09:35:31, 29 June 2014|declinedtalk=User_talk:Ubmaurya}} ubmaurya 09:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC) This article does not contains any copy righted material. This is my own NGO and legally registered with Government of Uttar Pradesh, India. :{{Ping|Ubmaurya}} You misunderstand copyright. I have left material on your talk page to explain. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 09:39, 29 June 2014 (UTC) Then please create this article, Shanti Nandan Bauddha Welfare society I will provide all information, registration certificate, pan card and project details. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ubmaurya|Ubmaurya]] ([[User talk:Ubmaurya|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ubmaurya|contribs]]) 14:49, 30 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :{{Ping|Ubmaurya}} I will not. I have no interest in doing so. I only create articles that interest me, and do it when I want to. Wikipedia is a site where ''you'' create the articles ''you'' want to see. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 14:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC) == 09:53:58, 29 June 2014 review of submission by Ingwaar == {{Lafc|username=Ingwaar|ts=09:53:58, 29 June 2014|declinedtalk=User_talk:Ingwaar}} I want to create article About Fenugreeg on Serbian Language i was read all tutorial and strictly followed this. Please can you akso return this article in my sandbox because i can`t again start from scratch. I want to this article be in Latin Serbian or i Cyrillic. Thanks in advance. [[User:Ingwaar|Igor Malušević]] ([[User talk:Ingwaar|talk]]) 09:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC) :{{ping|Ingwaar}} I will arrange for help for you. I will do this on your talk page. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 11:21, 29 June 2014 (UTC) ::{{Done}}, help request set up. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 11:41, 29 June 2014 (UTC) == 19:08:32, 29 June 2014 review of submission by SongsforLulu == {{Lafc|username=SongsforLulu|ts=19:08:32, 29 June 2014|declined=Draft:Jörn_Weisbrodt}} Dear Timtrent, I've removed the two categories as you suggested. With regard to the multiple references, I put them at the end of the sentence but they don't just refer to Columbia University for example. They refer to the whole list of organisations. Please check the references, you will find that they are all necessary because each of them refers to one or more (but not all) organisations in the list). I'm resubmitting the article, I can't find a way of contacting you directly. Thank you. Lulu 19:08, 29 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|SongsforLulu}} You have achieved contacting me directly {{Smiley}}. Those categories remain present, you know. We'll let the next reviewer have a detailed look at the references. I try not to re-review articles unless many edits have taken place or the issues are blindingly obvious. The citation issue is subtle. My advice on legibility stands, but I appreciate the point you have made. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 19:14, 29 June 2014 (UTC) == Re Draft:Henrik Lindstrand == Hi, Thanks for your comments! Have replaced IMDB references with ones from The Film Institute + more. Hope this is sufficient. Thanks! [[User:Eternalgroove|Eternalgroove]] ([[User talk:Eternalgroove|talk]]) 19:37, 29 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Eternalgroove}} The next reviewer will give you a verdict. I try not to re-review articles because more eyes are always better. The process is designed to give the articles that pass through it the best possible chance of surviving the hurly burly of the main article space here. I'm pleased you found the comments useful, and thank you for taking the time to say so. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 19:41, 29 June 2014 (UTC) == Adult Match Maker deletion reconsideration == Hello, I was wondering if you could help me. I tried creating a new page for the Australian company Adult Match Maker which was significantly different than what was presented before, there are more noteworthy and reputable sources, and the page isn't purely promotional but actually has valid information in it and for some reason it got deleted because it was considered to be similar to the already deleted one? Can you please help me and let me know what my mistake is and if there is any chance to reconsider the deletion of the page? Thanks, [[User:Teresajens|Teresajens]] ([[User talk:Teresajens|talk]]) 20:52, 29 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Teresajens}} The person to speak to is the admin who deleted it. If it is ''significantly different'' then it ought to stand a chance. Regrettably I am not an admin and cannot see the deleted version. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adult_Match_Maker&action=edit&redlink=1 shows you all the information you will need in order to have that conversation. Good luck. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 21:30, 29 June 2014 (UTC) == Marty Watt == Hello Tim, Regarding the Marty Watt submission: Should I just start deleting sentences that don't have footnotes? or have I misunderstood entirely the footnote process so that the article seems like it doesn't have any? Are my references to the Washington Post and Washington Star and Drummer magazine valid despite the fact that they aren't online? (I have them on paper) Thanks, Wattcima <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wattcima|Wattcima]] ([[User talk:Wattcima|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wattcima|contribs]]) 21:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :{{Ping|Wattcima}} Exactly the reverse. You need to find references for the facts you assert. Time is on your side. There is no rush. Just search. Only when you have exhausted all avenues should you consider losing material. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 21:57, 29 June 2014 (UTC) But the Newspaper quotes already used are ok as far as they go? [[User:Wattcima|Wattcima]] ([[User talk:Wattcima|talk]]) 22:00, 29 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Wattcima}} Online, print or broadcast media are all 100% fine. The important criterion is that it is a [[WP:RS]] [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 22:03, 29 June 2014 (UTC) == National Numeracy == Hey, I've had my draft rejected. Do I need to remove the content of my 'pseudo-references' (referring to the information, rather than the citations and references)? Also, with a fairly new charity that doesn't have many secondary sources to refer to, is there any advice? Thanks <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Curtis-McCarthy|Curtis-McCarthy]] ([[User talk:Curtis-McCarthy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Curtis-McCarthy|contribs]]) 13:42, 30 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :{{Ping|Curtis-McCarthy}} The answer is complex. Lets start with the basics. Non negotiable is the double bar to leap, that the organisation must pass [[WP:N]] and be [[WP:V]]. WIth that in view you need to decide if ''now'' is the time when an article should be written. What have people said about the org in [[WP:RS]]? No sources? Wait for them to happen. :Build your article about what is said about the org and do not use its own site as a reference at all. t is simply the org's own web site. In the same manner that I have a web site that describes me as a silver skinned 7 foot tall elf, it is unreliable (I don't, but it makes the point}. Have I answered your question? I know it was couched in different terms! [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 13:48, 30 June 2014 (UTC) == National Numeracy == @tim Thanks, I'll consider finding some secondary sources and such, and making it all a little bit more succinct, if it fails again, I'll wait <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Curtis-McCarthy|Curtis-McCarthy]] ([[User talk:Curtis-McCarthy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Curtis-McCarthy|contribs]]) 13:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> == Submission Rejection == Hi Timtrent, thank you for your review. I understood that most of my references in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:QNAP_Systems,_Inc. are about the products not the company as you pointed out. I would like to know how I can improve because this is the fact--we do have lots of news/media talking about our products, but not much on the company. However, we are one of the major & notable players in this industry (and I noticed other brands also have similar structure as ours but still accepted by wikipedia); also mentioned in several wikipages labeling us as "large NAS manufacturers". " Are there any tips or directions I can work on to make this page online? Please kindly advise. Thank you very much! [[User:Bondachs|Bondachs]] ([[User talk:Bondachs|talk]]) 16:10, 30 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Bondachs}} I'm wondering how to advise you better than I have. Please never compare an article on one org with an article on another org. The objective is to increase the standard of the articles, always a good thing. If we used other poor articles as a precedent the standard would lower. [[Idiocracy]] is a great illustrator of this. The submit/review process is meant to seek to ensure that an article is not vulnerable to deletion. :The tips are simple, basic, even. We need references as I've stated, showing notability, and the article will leap into the main article space. But they must be about the corporation. [[User:timtrent/A good article]] may help a little. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 16:21, 30 June 2014 (UTC) == 17:57:52, 30 June 2014 review of submission by Kirankkadam == {{Lafc|username=Kirankkadam|ts=17:57:52, 30 June 2014|declinedtalk=User_talk:Kirankkadam}} Hi Timtrent, This is regarding my draft article on [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Meghna_Patel Meghna Patel] Please help me to understand what more I need to add to my article to get your approval. I have added citations linking to youtube is there any other source you would like me to add. Thanks, Kiran [[User:Kirankkadam|Kirankkadam]] ([[User talk:Kirankkadam|talk]]) 17:57, 30 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|Kirankkadam}} The comments you need are all at the article, where I have added on emore. I doubt the lady;s notability. Just getting your kit off is not notability for more than one event. [[WP:BLP1E]] applies to her. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 18:03, 30 June 2014 (UTC) == 21:37:28, 30 June 2014 review of submission by Tgweeze == {{Lafc|username=Tgweeze|ts=21:37:28, 30 June 2014|declined=User:Tgweeze/sandbox}} I'm trying to cite the two sentences in the second paragraph and am having trouble linking the [cite] at the end of the sentence to the [1], [2] at the bottom under references. I have all the news articles properly filled out under the "named references/cite news" template, but when I click on the [1] or [2] nothing happens. Can you help? Thanks [[User:Tgweeze|Tgweeze]] ([[User talk:Tgweeze|talk]]) 21:37, 30 June 2014 (UTC) :{{Done}}. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ATgweeze%2Fsandbox&diff=615072343&oldid=615071419 This diff]] shows you what I did. Ignore my replacing <nowiki>'''</nowiki> with <nowiki>==</nowiki>. That was something I did as well. Pleasure to be of help. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 21:41, 30 June 2014 (UTC) == 22:07:40, 30 June 2014 review of submission by 204.16.157.10 == {{Lafc|username=204.16.157.10|ts=22:07:40, 30 June 2014|declined=Draft:West_Agile_Labs}} Reply [[Special:Contributions/204.16.157.10|204.16.157.10]] ([[User talk:204.16.157.10|talk]]) 22:07, 30 June 2014 (UTC) Ah yes--I do see now! Sorry, not used to the Wikipedia interface. I based the article pretty closely on those of other tech consultancies and tried to make it as unbiased as possible. I didn't say anything remotely subjective--just the facts. Is there a way to make it more encyclopedia-appropriate? :Never base anything on any other article. Aim higher! The primary thing is references. Find cracking good ones, then wrote your article around what they say. Remember the golden rule, all of which apply. They must be: :* significant coverage, and :* about the entity, and :* in [[WP:RS]] :Any other references fail and must go. :Make sure you write "Dull but worthy" material based on the facts ''others'' would like to read, not trade puffery ''you'' would like them to read. :Be prepared for the fact that it may not be a notable entity. Not every org merits an article. If it doesn't now, if it is any good it will at some point. :By the way, registering an account is useful. Just don;t make it look like a corporation. It grants extra privileges. You'll like it. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 22:14, 30 June 2014 (UTC) --- <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/204.16.157.10|204.16.157.10]] ([[User talk:204.16.157.10|talk]]) 22:19, 30 June 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> REPLY (not sure if this is how to do this) Got it! Thanks for your help, and sorry about the mix up. I'll try to improve it. :I am sure you will achieve it. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 22:23, 30 June 2014 (UTC) == Thanks for Authors Road help == Thanks for your kind and supportive comments about my first pathetic efforts at posting. I've followed the directions as best I could, and edited as best I might in the hope my piece on The Authors Road meets muster. I look forward to the next round. George [[User:GHMason12|GHMason12]] ([[User talk:GHMason12|talk]]) 00:28, 1 July 2014 (UTC) :{{Ping|GHMason12}} Please do not run yourself down like that. When we start here we do our best. Our best improves as we learn. <s>Another reviewer will do the next review. I try very hard not to re-review because other eyes are important to get the best possible end result.</s> [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 07:07, 1 July 2014 (UTC) :Fooled myself. I see I was not the reviewer! I shall have a look when you next submit it. BNut I ''am'' reinstating the review history. We leave that for all reviewers to see, plus ity has the resubmit button! [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 07:10, 1 July 2014 (UTC) == Your comments == Thank you very much for helping me with my first article. I will definitely use your suggestions. :) <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Slyvs|Slyvs]] ([[User talk:Slyvs|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Slyvs|contribs]]) 01:19, 1 July 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :{{Ping|Slyvs}} I have added some more on the article itself, and given you a good head start. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 07:32, 1 July 2014 (UTC) == 09:00:12, 1 July 2014 review of submission by Rupert4471 == {{Lafc|username=Rupert4471|ts=09:00:12, 1 July 2014|declined=User:Rupert4471/sandbox}} [[User:Rupert4471|Rupert4471]] ([[User talk:Rupert4471|talk]]) 09:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC) Hello, I must have submitted the page twice by mistake. But when I click on the link to the other submission, the page is blank. So what to do now? No news yet from anyone... Thanks for your help. [[User:Rupert4471|Rupert4471]] ([[User talk:Rupert4471|talk]]) 09:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)Rupert4471 :{{Ping|Rupert4471}} I'm confused. I see [[User:Rupert4471/sandbox]] which is a duplicate of [[Draft:Ulf Langheinrich]], and both appear when I click them. Is this what you are talking about? Once I have it right in my mind I will help you all I am able to. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 10:16, 1 July 2014 (UTC) Thank you for your prompt reply. I am pretty sure to be the author of both articles. Do you see an IP address for [[Draft:Ulf Langheinrich]] ? This first one hasn't been reviewed yet and now the situation seems to be blocked because of my mistake. Anyway I cannot see the content of [[Draft:Ulf Langheinrich]] because it is empty. Strange... isn't it possible to remove the first to go ahead? Thanks again for your help. [[User:Rupert4471|Rupert4471]] ([[User talk:Rupert4471|talk]]) 13:10, 1 July 2014 (UTC)Rupert4471 Sorry I can see now the content of the page [[Draft:Ulf Langheinrich]] ... this is my first version without references. The second article submitted includes references. This is the most updated. Can you review this instead of the first one? Thank you [[User:Rupert4471|Rupert4471]] ([[User talk:Rupert4471|talk]]) 13:36, 1 July 2014 (UTC)Rupert4471 :{{Ping|Rupert4471}} Please state absolutely clearly which one you wish to proceed with in an answer to this question. I will then make arrangements to withdraw the incorrect one. I want it clear as can be, please. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 19:25, 1 July 2014 (UTC) ==Message from Patriarch2013== Dear Timtrent, I appreciate your comments regarding the deficiencies you found in the draft article. However, your comments and suggestions, like all those I have received during the considerable amount of time I have spent attainmenting top place this article, are mutually contradictory. I have stripped out and modified all text with even the slightest hint of marketing tone, as was requested in previous critiques. I have removed all references that were not from legitimate, respected, independent and well-established sources. Now even that is not enough. I'm sorry you don't know what the company does, but your particular lack of recognition is irrelevant. All terms of art are cross linked to other Wikipedia articles. It is beyond imagining that any reader, coming upon this article by chance, would care one wit that the purpose and nature of eFront software was not immediately understandable. Only those readers with knowledge of and interest in the industry will have any use for the content of the article. Suppose I altered the opening paragraph to read "eFront Financial Solutions is a software provider for the alternative investments and risk management areas of the financial services industry[1]. Its web-based software products automate many accounting, management and operational functions of private equity, venture capital and other alternative investment management firms. It was founded in 1999 and now serves more than 700 customers in 40 countries from offices in North America, South America, the Middle East, Africa, Asia and Australia." Would that be acceptable? Even if it is, I am still left with the problem of providing acceptable references. Unfortunately, the references I chose are the only ones that meet the requirements. I have no other to offer at this time and, as I said earlier, all are from established and independent sources. True, they are industry-specific sources, but that would be the case with nearly all companies, especially privately-held companies, not listed in the Fortune 1000. So please, before I give in to frustration and abandon Wikipedia completely, tell me what I really need to do to have this article approved! Thank you, Patriarch2013 <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Patriarch2013|Patriarch2013]] ([[User talk:Patriarch2013|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Patriarch2013|contribs]]) 17:06, 1 July 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :{{Ping|Patriarch2013}} Minor moan. PLEASE use a section when you start a brand new conversation on a talk page. I had to work out where your message started and the prior one finished, and please link to your article. I have found [[Draft:EFront Financial Solutions]] and thus assume it to be this one. :I have looked at the prior reviews. They and I seem to be in accord. Thus I am having trouble with understanding what is mutually contradictory. But let us leave that behind. It is no longer relevant. We move forward now :The thing you may have to accept, even after your sterling efforts, is that if references cannot be found which are: :*' 'Significant coverage'', and :* ''About'' the organisation, and :* ''Independent of it'', and :* in [[WP:RS]]'' :then you have to conclude that I am mistaken and the organisation is not [[WP:N}] notable in a Wikipedia sense, at least today. WIth your references, examine them minutely. If you are satisfied that they make the grade, then I will accept the article, despite my feeling it to be vulnerable. But you are as grown up as am I, and can take it if the article is nominated for deletion, something I hope will not happen. My next paragraph on your alternate first para tips my scales in its favour :Your alternate first paragraph ''tells me with precision'' what it does. Please understand that whether in real life I know or can research what it makes and sells is unimportant. When I review an article I speak as an ordinary reader when I say that I do not know. Now, from the new paragraph, yes, I know. :So resubmit after makng that change, and tell me here that you have done so. I will accept it and we will both be happy. Deal? [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 19:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC) ==Message from LauraMcAliley== Hi Timetrent. I am responding to the message you left me in the Teahouse yesterday titled "Reliable Sources" as well as the input you provided on this page that I am working to get published: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/GCFLearnFree.org First, thank you for your kind note in The Teahouse. I did not see the additional guidance you left on the page. I've read the WS:RS page and gained some good insight. I wonder if I can clarify the sources with you before I edit again. Based on the article I read, I believe that these sources should be removed. Correct? * Yates, Emma. "Review of www.GCFLearnFree.org". YouTube Video. Emma Yates. Retrieved 2 January 2014. * Williams, Mary Eileen. "Job Search 50: The Simple Phrase That Packs A Wallop!". HuffingtonPost.com. Retrieved 2 January 2014. Also, there was a recent feature of the page subject on a TV news program. This would be an acceptable source addition, correct? http://www.wncn.com/video?clipId=10181442&autostart=true Again, I appreciate your help. If there is anything else you see that would keep this from being published, please let me know. I'm learning a lot in the process and am thankful for your patience. 18:29, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[[User:LauraMcAliley|LauraMcAliley]] ([[User talk:LauraMcAliley|talk]]) Hi Timetrent. I am responding to the message you left me in the Teahouse yesterday titled "Reliable Sources" as well as the input you provided on this page that I am working to get published: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/GCFLearnFree.org First, thank you for your kind note in The Teahouse. I did not see the additional guidance you left on the page. I've read the WS:RS page and gained some good insight. I wonder if I can clarify the sources with you before I edit again. Based on the article I read, I believe that these sources should be removed. Correct? * Yates, Emma. "Review of www.GCFLearnFree.org". YouTube Video. Emma Yates. Retrieved 2 January 2014. * Williams, Mary Eileen. "Job Search 50: The Simple Phrase That Packs A Wallop!". HuffingtonPost.com. Retrieved 2 January 2014. Also, there was a recent feature of the page subject on a TV news program. This would be an acceptable source addition, correct? http://www.wncn.com/video?clipId=10181442&autostart=true Again, I appreciate your help. If there is anything else you see that would keep this from being published, please let me know. I'm learning a lot in the process and am thankful for your patience. 18:47, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[[User:LauraMcAliley|LauraMcAliley]] ([[User talk:LauraMcAliley|talk]]) == A kitten for you! == [[File:Cute grey kitten.jpg|left|150px]] Thank you so much, that was a huge help. You are awesome. ~~~~ <br style="clear: both;"/>'