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Notification of proposal to make Help:Hidden text a guideline

The RfC is at Help talk:Hidden text #RfC on status of this page. --RexxS (talk) 14:30, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

MoS's cleanup tag nominated for deletion

FYI

– Pointer to relevant discussion elsewhere.

Please see Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2016 October 27#Template:MOS. — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼ 03:29, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal for Indonesian spelling and naming conventions

An RfC regarding the promotion of an Indonesian spelling/naming convention proposal can be found at WT:WikiProject Indonesia#Proposal. --HyperGaruda (talk) 06:24, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RFC on formatting change

There is a formatting change being proposed to {{link language}} which could impact the visual style of a page. Your input is requested here. Thank you. Primefac (talk) 22:42, 28 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Inactive?

Why is this listed as inactive? Is it merely settled, or has there been some big discussion I overlooked? -- ke4roh (talk) 11:58, 14 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No idea. The project is still active, just that the discussions happens on MOS pages, rather than here. I'll remove the inactive thing. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 15:07, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalization project?

Would there be any appetite for something like a Wikiproject Capitalization, to work on bringing WP articles into better conformance with MOS:CAPS? The problem is mostly, but not exclusively, over-capitalization; sometimes I have to cap proper names that have been put in lowercase, but more often I'm downcasing, partly because most editors don't know that we use sentence case for titles, and partly because people just tend to cap what's important to them. The amazing thing, to me, is the extent to which editors in some topic areas will resist the suggestion to conform with the guidelines of MOS:CAPS, in the face of clear source-based evidence, and then how hard it is to get the WP processes to do anything sensible in such situations. Here's an example from way back: Talk:New York City Subway/Archive 3#Requested move – where the evidence was not much disputed, but people were either afraid of facing the amount of work needed to fix the problem, or just asserted that a title for a specific thing needed to be a proper name, even if sources disagree. If we had a project, maybe more people willing to do the work would be notified and would volunteer to help overcome at least one of the objections? Dicklyon (talk) 04:37, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'd support such a project. Another problem we face is the all-too-common practice of initial-capping items that are abbreviated (with caps); e.g. He applied for an Apprehended Violence Order (AVO). Tony (talk) 04:53, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and MOS:JOBTITLES is another big area of over-capitalization. Just noticed this diff in that space by @Chris the speller:. Dicklyon (talk) 04:21, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As Dicklyon pointed out, I'm already on board, so you have my full support on all of the above. Also, don't overlook MOS:INSTITUTIONS and things like "... was elected to its Board of Directors." If we had about 50 editors with AWB we could make a real dent in the problem. Chris the speller ^yack 04:47, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Other possibilities: (1) a task force instead of a project (see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Guide#Identify_the_best_structure). or (2) a WikiProject Style Fixers or something broader than WikiProject Capitalization (but narrower than WP:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors and orthogonal to WP:WikiProject Manual of Style). Opinions? Dicklyon (talk) 02:37, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I was about to ask what the value-add is beyond individual editors' efforts to tame over-capping. To recruit more to the fray? (That would be good.) To remind editors who overcap about our guidelines? Bear in mind that a lot of overcapping comes from second-language sources. Like overlinking. en.WP has different standards, let us say. Tony (talk) 07:21, 7 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Surnames for drag queens

Further input is requested at Category talk:RuPaul's Drag Race contestants#Sorting --wooden superman 15:50, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]