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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Martijn Hoekstra (talk | contribs) at 15:00, 4 May 2016 (A beer for you!: see, I even forget to sign my posts now). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Reverting admin actions

If I believe you should consult me before undoing a block (or other admin action), I will make it clear. If I don't, I would appreciate a note, but if you believe I have made a mistake - I make plenty, though hopefully rarely with the block tool - just undo it. If I believe that undoing it was exceptionaly stupid, I reserve the right to slap you with a trout.

Recall

If you think I shouldn't have administrative rights anymore, I can be easily recalled, as outlined in User:Martijn Hoekstra/Recall.

Support request with team editing experiment project

Dear tech ambassadors, instead of spamming the Village Pump of each Wikipedia about my tiny project proposal for researching team editing (see here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Research_team_editing), I have decided to leave to your own discretion if the matter is relevant enough to inform a wider audience already. I would appreciate if you could appraise if the Wikipedia community you are more familiar with could have interest in testing group editing "on their own grounds" and with their own guidance. In a nutshell: it consists in editing pages as a group instead of as an individual. This social experiment might involve redefining some aspects of the workflow we are all used to, with the hope of creating a more friendly and collaborative environment since editing under a group umbrella creates less social exposure than traditional "individual editing". I send you this message also as a proof that the Inspire Campaign is already gearing up. As said I would appreciate of *you* just a comment on the talk page/endorsement of my project noting your general perception about the idea. Nothing else. Your contribution helps to shape the future! (which I hope it will be very bright, with colors, and Wikipedia everywhere) Regards from User:Micru on meta.

Do you want one Edit tab, or two? It's your choice

How to switch between editing environments
Part of the toolbar in the visual editor
Click the [[ ]] to switch to the wikitext editor.
Part of the toolbar in the wikitext editor
Click the pencil icon to switch to the visual editor.

The editing interface will be changed soon. When that happens, editors who currently see two editing tabs – "Edit" and "Edit source" – will start seeing one edit tab instead. The single edit tab has been popular at other Wikipedias. When this is deployed here, you may be offered the opportunity to choose your preferred appearance and behavior the next time you click the Edit button. You will also be able to change your settings in the Editing section of Special:Preferences.

You can choose one or two edit tabs. If you chose one edit tab, then you can switch between the two editing environments by clicking the buttons in the toolbar (shown in the screenshots). See Help:VisualEditor/User guide#Switching between the visual and wikitext editors for more information and screenshots.

There is more information about this interface change at mw:VisualEditor/Single edit tab. If you have questions, suggestions, or problems to report, then please leave a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback.

Whatamidoing (WMF) 19:22, 11 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

20:44, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 14 April 2016

20:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 April 2016

21:02, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 2 May 2016

A beer for you!

Zeg, luilak, hoe zit het ermee? Kom, ga weer eens aan het werk! Drmies (talk) 17:29, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Drmies, good to see you're still running things here, and - provisionally, I haven't read any cases yet, and you don't seem to have seen much public arb action yet - extra happy you're on ArbCom. To me, one of the reasons for leaving this project was my mounting frustration of the departure from common sense into the direction of WP:OMGWTFBBQ. I hope you'll be able to, even if in part, turn the tide on that tendency. Ultimately though, the reason for leaving was that I felt my skill set was no longer very useful in the project anymore. I've never been great at writing articles, and I believe that really should be part of the skill set of participating in this project as I believe it should be run. If I take the opportunistic angle and make an exception for myself, I have to wonder, what do I bring to the table.
I've always believed that I'm good at helping good faith people find common ground and work together - and recognize the good faith in each other. But so many conflicts seem to stem from people who aren't acting in good faith anymore, and little good faith seems to be assumed that I've found myself utterly ineffective in it. People also seem to forget what good faith means. The attitude of "I could report you to the admins, but I'm going to assume good faith and carry on the discussion" irks me in so many different ways, and was gaining so much popularity, I can't find a way to reconcile that with how I think this project to be run.
As for helping find neutrality and guide discussions where bad faith starts to rear its head, I think I'm too conflict averse to do so effectively. Conflict is an important part of finding consensus, even when good faith is involved, and I find myself ineffective dealing with such situations.
That brings me to the other thing I think I used to bring to the table; I think I was good at helping newcomers find their footing and explain how thing work, how they should work but unfortunately don't, and what good strategies to deal with things are. More and more however, I was starting to get the feeling that I was the one who doesn't understand how things work here anymore. For a while I sort of halfheartedly fought that; My idea of how Wikipedia works or should work might not be consensus anymore, but since I figured I was right anyway, I could push that trough anyway. I couldn't. And the less I would do, the further Wikipedia practice and my theoretic musings grew apart. By now, I have no idea with how Wikipedia works.
One could say that I departed from the project. You could also say that the project departed from me. Both are probably true.
That said, Wikipedia might currently in a state where I enjoy it more again. I'll see if I can pull the old edit bones back in action again. No promises though. I'm going to hold you to the beer regardless in the event I ever run in to you though, unlikely as it sounds. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 15:00, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

20:09, 2 May 2016 (UTC)