Talk:Hardcore (electronic dance music genre)

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How about some notable tracks and artists in each of these sub-genres?2toise 13:05, 9 Nov 2003 (UTC)

Hardstyle vs. Hardcore

From what I can tell this Wiki article is about the genre Hardcore. But when you search Wiki for Hardstyle you get re-directed to here. Hardstyle should be considered a really hard variant of trance. It's not 'hardcore'. Hardcore is more closely linked to gabber (the hard music that came out of Rotterdam), but it's, well, more serious and harder than gabber. Check out Ishkur's for a better look at the genres. What I think of as 'hardcore' he lists as 'gabber' but then oddly creates a new genre, 'Rotterdam', which he then describes as 'gabber'. Other than that little quirk, I think it helps a lot. Oh and, take some of his descriptions with a grain of salt.

Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music -->Chemical Halo 08:18, 2005 Jan 9 (UTC)

In addition to making up a proportion of the presented styles, Ishkur is way off in his "history" of music and genre associations - it is not the definite source to reference and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. However you're right, for such an influencing music style (and huge movement in the early 90's), this page is more of a stub and should be made broader both in scale and depth of knowledge. I'm planning to do something about it in the near future, though a "grand" subject like this (almost 20 years of music history and science with cultural references) does require some ahead planning. It seems, though, that no one else is going to do anything about it and I might be the only one with enough knowledge, contacts and interest in here.

What comes to hardstyle itself, it is a cross-genre between hardcore and trance, but originally (IMO) seemed to develop from newstyle, which in turn was dutch hardcore developing back towards techno and house influence. If hardstyle itself isn't featured in Wikipedia, this is just as good place to refer to it as would be trance music, Dutch music in general, or electronic music in general. However, you could make a page about hardstyle yourself, if the topic is close to your heart, even if it was just a stub - a style of popular music currently hitting the charts is bound to receive more contributors sooner or later. aeris 11:21, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

This was an old comment. I've already removed the re-direct of Hardstyle --> Hardcore techno and created a working stub for Hardstyle. Check it out. And I agree. Ishkur's, of course, is just an unaccredited internet source, but it's still a good place to start for noobs. (I was a noob when I wrote that comment, although at this point, I don't even remember writing it. :P) Thanks.-->Chemical Halo 02:42, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hardcore vs Gabba

What is the difference between Hardcore and Gabba music (if there is any)? I think it should be explained in the article... --ha-core 18:45, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

hehe, i've just spent the last month or so doing research into hardcore dance music and that's something that's been bugging me for the last week or so, and it's a biggie that needs to be sorted out on wikipedia. i have a feeling it's to do with the fact that gabber tends to use/have melody/melodic sounds but i shall go on looking for references and articles on the matter (or poke some friend sin the know) and report back. --MilkMiruku 10:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hardcore Techno

This is a term from germany, used about 1989 for Agrumh... and later for Leather Strip. In the early '90s Hardcore Techno was used for hard style EBM projects and shortly after, the term was used for the distorted techno sound from frankfurt (germany) and later rotterdam etc (netherlands). after this shift of meaning, the early hardcore techno (hard EBM) was renamed to Hardcore Electro. that's not a joke, i can scan the old magazines. --Menorrhea 01:59, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

hey again :) sure, if you can provide reference to an earlier usage of the term 'hardcore techno' then i'm sure it's worth a mention somewhere on this page --MilkMiruku 10:35, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Look There. It's from a New Life-Soundmagazine printed in october/november 1989.

Happy hardcore

"Happy Hardcore is probably the best known, and best selling variant." Is this really true today? Happy hardcore was most popular in the mid-90s. Jiiimbooh 02:04, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]