Talk:Beyoncé

Music and voice - Beyoncé revealed new process

Speaking on her songwriting process, Beyoncé said that in the past, she would start with lyrics and then look for an accompanying melody. Now, as she works with other songwriters, she explained, "It starts with the title or the concept of what I'm trying to say, and then I'll go into the booth and sing my idea. Then we work together to layer on."

The concepts can come from anywhere. "Even the silliest little thing that you hear on the radio, it comes from something deeper," she said. Recalling her Destiny's Child hit "Bootylicious," Beyoncé noted that the song was inspired by comments about her weight "and me being, like, 'I'm a Southern woman, and this is how Southern women are.' My motivation is always to express something or to heal from something or to laugh and rejoice about something."

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/beyonce-working-with-justin-timberlake-pharrell-on-new-album-20130110 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.80.163 (talk) 15:15, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

1.6 The Lenox Hill incident

Are you kidding me? Put a rumor, as a theme in this article..? The Hospital already denied this... Unbelievable! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.80.163 (talk) 21:12, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank god someone removed! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.80.163 (talk) 21:14, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, it's gone.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 21:19, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I added back in after removal because it looked like a section blanking, but I looked into it and you're right. Completely my mistake, it definitely doesn't belong. --Kierkkadon ^{talk/contribs} 21:22, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!! That's ok, no problem! Why anyone update what I leave here about Public Image "GQ", and Music and voica section? Isn't appropriat? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.80.163 (talk) 21:30, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Maybe people are just lazy. Sign up for an account and you'll be able to do it yourself.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 21:40, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

2013: Upcoming fifth studio album and films and maybe Legacy..?

BEYONCÉ National Anthem PERFORMANCE MEGA SUCCESS IN THE MEDIA

BILLBOARD: Beyonce just gave one of the best, now it's time to see the worst national anthem performances of all time - https://twitter.com/billboard/status/293411834231414784

COSMOPOLITAN: https://twitter.com/Cosmopolitan/status/293410675810770945

IDOLATOR: Only for Beyonce could a performance of the Star-Spangled Banner at Barack Obama‘s Second Inauguration Ceremony be seen as a WARM-UP for her next gig, which just happens to be the Super Bowl Halftime Show. Today (January 21), in front of roughly 800,000 people and accompanied by the US Marine Band, Bey captivated the nation with a stirring rendition of the National Anthem. To all future sporting event performers — this is how it’s done. - http://idolator.com/7401332/beyonce-sings-at-president-barack-obamas-inauguration-watch

GUARDIAN: https://twitter.com/GuardianUS/status/293411997419192321

http://www.tmz.com/2013/01/21/beyonce-national-anthem-barack-obama-inauguration/

GAWKER: http://gawker.com/5977695/beyonce-president-of-the-united-beyonces-rips-out-earpiece-mid+song-and-still-delivers-flawless-performance (VERY INTERESTING THIS ARTICLE - MUST SEE)

INDEPENDENT: Beyoncé's bold performance steals Obama's inauguration show - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/beyoncs-bold-performance-steals-obamas-inauguration-show-8460815.html

WASHINGTON POST: The only voice that really soared at midday was Beyonce’s, while singing the national anthem. - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/01/21/obama-inaugurala-flat-partisan-and-pedestrian-speech/

NY POST: Beyonce showed why she’s Queen B with a flawless rendition of “The Star-Spangled Banner.” - http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/beyonce_stuns_with_impressive_anthem_bs9NHpAVDxHJdg5MhiuVyL

PIERS MORGAN CNN: And THAT'S why she's the No1 performer in world music.....incredible! - https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/293410563697029121

CNN: EXCLUSIVE CNN-FACEBOOK SOCIAL WATCH: Social media is reflecting rare reverence today - the top three trending terms on Facebook are "President Obama," "country” and “America”... but Hollywood heat still trumps pomp and circumstance. The top moment in terms of volume of traffic on Facebook today was not around Obama’s inaugural address, it was rather around Beyonce’s singing of the national anthem. - http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/21/cnns-gut-check-for-january-21-2013-1/

PLEASE YOU MUST DO SOMETHING WITH THIS ALL INFORMATION, THIS IS HISTORICAL FOR HER! A HUGE MARK! I HOPE THIS APPEARS IN SOME WAY IN THE APPROPRIATE SUBTITLE IN THIS BEYONCÉ ARTICLE! THANKS! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.69.173 (talk) 00:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

 Done — Oz 22:45, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

2013

On January 21, 2013, Knowles performed and lip-synced ????????

Once again I see ridiculous things to appear in this article, is very unfortunate! This is just a rumor! We don't know if it was quite like this more it seems that this article is made by people who hate the artist themselves say that they record in the studio for the music to be saved! You should not make this type of interventions and it is no longer the first time This article for me has no longer credibility! I had enough! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.69.173 (talk) 19:41, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Removed. Your right, this looks like a rumour. — Oz 22:45, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I made this edit which cites reliable sources that she lip-synched. Gh82xc56 (talk) 23:13, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

uh, CNN has been covering this all day. There was an official press statement from the US Marine Corps band stating it was li synced. This is no longer a rumour just because Knowles and her publicist refuse to comment 108.172.113.23 (talk) 23:18, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and there are more than 17,000 Google news results for Beyonce+lip sync. Her fans should not be allowed to keep this out of her blp. 108.172.113.23 (talk) 23:19, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

On one hand, I know its a really hard song to sing well, with a wide range of notes, and I can certainly understand why a professional singer might decide to go with a safely recorded version. Feeling bad? Twinge in the throat? An extra bit of chill in the air? On the other hand, there is still way too much confusion in the media reports to credit it one way or the other and therefore I think it should not yet be included in Wikipedia. It appears the original source is a member of the band, which makes it a second or third hand report--unless he was paying more attention to her lips than to his own performance. There are currently three citations, and NONE of them are definitive. (I actually read one, the second is a known biased source, and third is titled with a question.) On the third hand, this is the kind of partisan fake outrage that FAUX News loves to stir up, which leads to the fourth hand: Does it actually matter at all? On the fifth hand, the ruckus got me to look at Wikipedia. Does that mean I've been rickrolled? Shanen (talk) 01:32, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

These are the three sources, all of which are reliable:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-207_162-57565248/beyonce-lip-synced-national-anthem-at-inauguration-marine-band-says/

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/beyonce-lip-synched-anthem-reports-86560.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2013/01/22/did-beyonce-lip-synch-her-national-anthem-performance-are-you-surprised/

Gh82xc56 (talk) 02:18, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

ONCE AGAIN, THIS ARTICLE DEMONSTRATES TO BE INCOSCISTENTE! I HOPE THEY REMOVE THE MISLEADING INFORMATION.BE A FAN, IN THIS CASE HAS NOTHING TO DO, HERE'S PROOF: IT WAS A LIE!I HOPE THAT FROM NOW ON, MORE CAREFUL WITH WHAT WE GIVE IMPORTANCE, SINCE THEY MAY BE HARMING THE ARTIST.AND THIS IS NOT A PAGE ANY, PEOPLE COME HERE AND TRUST THAT READ, IT IS SAD THAT THIS HAPPENS, IS NOT CORRECT ...

http://www.carltonjordan.com/2013/01/22/new-video-beyonce-did-sing-live-at-the-inauguration/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.69.173 (talk) 01:44, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Shouty all-capitals and a personal website does not a convincing argument make. Here are more:

http://www.billboard.com/column/the-juice/beyonce-s-lip-synced-inaugural-anthem-is-1008107582.story#/column/the-juice/beyonce-s-lip-synced-inaugural-anthem-is-1008107582.story

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/beyonce-lip-synced-inauguration-official-414994

As the Billboard article states, maybe it's not just a big deal. "This isn't a Milli Vanilli situation." The point of Wikipedia is that we should give all the facts then Ilet Wikipedia readers decide what's important.--Aichik (talk) 01:45, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Length

11,000 words? Sca (talk) 22:12, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I know! There is about three times as many words here as there are in Teacher!!!! What kind of world are we living in, where a singer gets three times more than teachers!!!! Marteau (talk) 07:08, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

It's over-long. I'm a Beyoncé fan and even I can't get through it.--Aichik (talk) 02:14, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

It may be necessary to move sections to a new article (like with Michael Jackson), but I am struggling on what to move and how to conglomerate it. —Jennie | ☎ 16:39, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 January 2013

Statements have been retracted and shutdown of her lip-synching, therefore not fact, not to mention singing with a backing track isn't lip-synching at all which is what she did. Her voice is heard but the track is amplified while the band was entirely prerecorded - that is not the technical term of lip-synching in general and on the lip-synching Wikipedia page. This section needs to be edited. Here is the link to an article on CNN covering it with facts and not what the media is taking and running with: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/22/u-s-marine-band-beyonce-did-not-actually-sing-during-inaugural/?hpt=hp_c2.

Removed.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:14, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

http://www.billboard.com/news/beyonce-did-not-actually-sing-at-inauguration-1008107082.story#/news/beyonce-did-not-actually-sing-at-inauguration-1008107082.story Billboard is confirming it too, so I suggest adding it. It doesn't need to be "Knowles lip-synced the national anthem", however it can be mentioned that her performance sparked controversy. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 09:22, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

For God sake! This is not a CONFIRMATION! Here we go again..!? At least reads well right the article of billboard! "But this afternoon a Marine Corps. spokesperson tried to clarify the statement by removing the implication of lip-syncing, saying that because Beyonce was unable to sufficiently rehearse with the Marine Band, it was decided the performance should include a recorded track for the band's portion.

"Regarding Ms. Knowles-Carter's vocal performance," Capt. Gregory Wolf statement to the AP continued, "no one in the Marine Band is in a position to assess whether it was live or pre-recorded.""

http://www.billboard.com/news/beyonce-did-not-actually-sing-at-inauguration-1008107082.story#/news/beyonce-did-not-actually-sing-at-inauguration-1008107082.story

This article from Wipikedia just have to highlight facts, not rumors! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.69.173 (talk) 11:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Then what you wrote there directly implicated that Beyonce indeed lip-synced. I am not saying that Beyonce can't sing, she can and pretty well, but in this case, someone (a member of the band)directly announced that she lip-synced. The information should definitely be in the article, because it sparked controversy. Just to note you it wouldn't be fair not stating that in favor of Kelly Clarkson who indeed performed live. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 11:09, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

They also not put here a controversial birth of her daughter Blue Ivy! And very well! Is ridiculous!!!!

ONE MORE TIME: "Regarding Ms. Knowles-Carter's vocal performance," Capt. Gregory Wolf statement to the AP continued, "no one in the Marine Band is in a position to assess whether it was live or pre-recorded.""

I said all I had to say! I trust in the common sense! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.69.173 (talk) 11:23, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Don't bold your text and act like this. Talk and discuss this nicely. The surrogate maternity was something different, rumors which were never confirmed. This is something confirmed by the member of the Marine band and is worth of mentioning. Don't see the big deal of it. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 13:16, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree that is most definitely is more of a rumor. Someone who was at the hospital when she gave birth could state to the media that she didn't, and it was someone else. That doesn't make something true. Yes, info could be added that is sparked controversy when there were reports, but you don't say that someone lipped a song, ever.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 15:29, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Exactly, I agree with you. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 16:19, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

A lot of article ownership and pov is being induced into this discussion, please be neutral, even if this news are nothing but rumors it became relevant, the media is discussing this, several relevant media such as Billboard, TIME, Los Angeles Times, E! BBC and CBS News covered the fact, if it is a rumour or not it already received enough attention to be featured and incorporated into the article. The info should be neutral as such with pros and cons arguments, as if either she did lip-synch or she did not lip-synch. If this page is going to be infested with stans and fans and haters I'm going to ask for a temporary hard lock if the issue goes on. Eduemoni^↑talk↓ 16:24, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I added a neutral statement about the controversy in the article. I think most of users will agree of its neutrality. Of course they can freely edit it. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 16:30, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

• Beyoncé lip-synched Star Spangled Banner at inauguration
• Confusion over Beyonce lip-syncing

These stories might be worth reading before continuing this discussion. --John (talk) 16:36, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

2013

Beyoncé Launches Blog - http://observer.com/2013/01/queen-of-the-beyhive-beyonce-launches-blog/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.69.173 (talk) 20:11, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

2013 - Super Bowl Performance

Super Bowl should be contemplated with 2013: Upcoming fifth studio album, national anthem, Super Bowl and films, Madonna also has in her article (2010-present: W.E., MDNA, Super Bowl and business ventures). Is a highlight of her career, a "celebration" of her work that has been done to date. I removed the word controversial because anyone who reads the article notices. Is something that is already implicit.

"Beyoncé and her team have been great to work with throughout this process," McCarthy says ... adding, "We have enjoyed her creativity, vision and spirit in putting on a great show that is truly a Super Bowl performance."

http://www.tmz.com/2013/01/29/nfl-beyonce-super-bowl-defends-blue-ivy/#ixzz2JPv6HTTO — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.69.173 (talk) 02:21, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Done. — Oz 07:37, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Beyoncé National Anthem no lip-sync at Super Bowl XLVII press conference

02:41 – Beyoncé surprised the media at her Super Bowl XLVII presser by starting off with a rendition of the National Anthem that put to rest any question... (This was a really smart move from her to start, singing a cappella, so I think it was good to say this in the article) http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/0ap2000000133392/No-lip-sync-here-Beyonce-signs-the-National-Anthem?campaign=Twitter_videos_beyonce

NEW ORLEANS – Beyonce had a very bold answer for critics of her inaugural performance.

"I am a perfectionist. I did not have time to rehearse with the orchestra for a live television show and a very very important emotional show for me one of my proudest moments," Beyonce told the assembled crowd at the New Orleans Convention Center. "I did not feel comfortable taking a risk. It was about the president and the inauguration and I wanted to make him and our country proud so I decided to sing along with my prerecorded track. I'm very proud of my performance."

(I think it was important to put this complete sentence of her reply and explanation and not just a part of it. I think it have relevance, and explains better her position!) http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/01/31/beyonce-super-bowl-press-conference-national-anthem/1881179/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 177.192.54.160 (talk) 03:06, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

2011–12: 4 and motherhood / 1.4 2006-07: B'Day

2011–12: 4 and motherhood

You put out this "New Management" part on the title. I think it should be, since it represents her independence, and is that she has said in all the documentaries and mini movies to promote the album 4 movies, as well as in the next film Life is but a dream, it will be spoken again! New management is extremely important since it assumes command of her career and sets as new goal to acquire her independence! It's quite a change in her work, work process and personal life.

2011–12: New management, 4 and motherhood

And in this title 1.4 2006-07: B'Day I think the most correct should be: 1.4 2006-07: B'Day and film because in all other you mention the movies, this should happen the same here.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.69.173 (talk) 02:51, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Done. — Oz 07:37, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Okey! Thank you!

Justone more thing in 2013:

"In an interview with Broadway's Electric Barnyard, Kelly Clarkson, who was at the inauguration, said she wasn't sure if Beyonce was lip-syncing"

This is really important to you? Many celebrities came out in defense of beyoncé, many others gave opinions ... I think what's in the article is fine, but this sentence for me is completely over. If not we would have to put what all the celebrities has said and this page would not have room for anything else. I think the important thing about the controversy is already said! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.69.173 (talk) 17:00, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Removed. I did not add this but I agree it's not needed here. — Oz 21:49, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page not moved. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:49, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

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Beyoncé Knowles → Beyoncé – She's almost never referred to by her full name, and all of her albums/singles are credited to her first name, never her last. I see this situation as a case of WP:COMMONNAME. WikiRedactor (talk) 23:23, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

• Support per WP:COMMONNAME. I've never seen media use her last name, unlike Reba McEntire or Wynonna Judd, where the media goes both ways. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 02:29, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
• Strong oposse. Nothing has changed since the last RM. Give a better reason because "Beyonce" is much more common than "Beyoncé". Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 02:38, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

  Also, "all of her albums/singles are credited to her first name" is false. I have I Am... CD, and she is credited by her full name in every song (if you have an album or a single you can read I am not lying). Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 02:43, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I should have clarified that I'm not referring to the writing credits, but the name used on the actual cover/artwork. My bad. WikiRedactor (talk) 02:56, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

• Strong oppose. She is only known simply as Beyoncé for recording. For film, fashion, etc. she is known by her full name. Even in her album booklets it is "produced by Beyoncé Knowles" and "written by Beyoncé Knowles".  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 04:24, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

  And before somebody compares her to Madonna, firstly, her name is just Madonna, she doesn't have a last name, and secondly, she is always credited as simply Madonna for everything. Whereas Beyonce isn't.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 04:27, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

  Actually, Madonna was born Louise Veronnica Ciconne, and that just reinfornces our claim. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 04:30, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

• Strongest Oppose Many people and media call Ricardo Arjona as just Arjona, but that doesn't mean we should name his article "Arjona". Same applies here and to any other person whose real name is very close to their stage names. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 04:30, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose nominator is incorrect. Show me the Destiny's Child where it's just "Beyonce" most of the time. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 04:35, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. "Similarly, don't use a first name (even if unambiguous) for an article title if the last name is known and fairly often used," per NCP. Amazon has several bios that call her "Beyoncé Knowles", see here or here. Kauffner (talk) 14:10, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
• Strong oppose and speedy close There is no evidence that she is hardly ever called by her full name, and plenty of evidence against. Also, this issue has already been discussed extensively NUMEROUS times before, and the page has never been moved. Usually, it appears, there was a clear consensus not to move. elvenscout742 (talk) 05:18, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

2013: The Mrs. Carter Show World Tour

Beyoncé's performance at the Super Bowl has been extremely spoken, and has been a real success for the entire internet and means of communication. You are not going to put here some of the most important accolades? Since the billboard, new york times, etc etc. .. There are actually plenty of interesting matter about the impact that her performance had! I think it would be important, pass this fact!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21319757

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/04/sports/football/beyonce-brings-intensity-to-halftime-show-and-silences-doubters.html?_r=1&

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/1537625/beyonce-bowl-how-queen-b-scored-at-halftime

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2013/02/03/beyonce-super-bowl-halftime-revie/

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/music-arts/beyonce-rocks-super-bowl-halftime-show-destiny-child-article-1.1254476

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-beyonce-superbowl-20130204,0,947429.story

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/music/2013/02/03/beyonce-super-bowl-halftime-show-review/1883123/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/02/03/beyonce-halftime-super-bowl-xlvii-live/1888003/

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/beyonce-electrifies-at-super-bowl-halftime-show-8479356.html

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/1537623/beyonce-rocks-fierce-super-bowl-halftime-show — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.109.228 (talk) 17:40, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

THANK YOU, I ALREADY SEE THE UPDATES! BUT HERE IT SOMETHING NEW AND VERY VERY IMPORTANT!

RECORD!! Record 164.1 Million Fans Tune in to Super Bowl XLVII on CBS - making it the most-viewed show in U.S. television history according to The Nielsen Company.

http://nflcommunications.com/2013/02/04/record-164-1-million-fans-tune-in-to-super-bowl-xlvii-on-cbs/

More than 5.5million tweets were sent during Beyoncé's half time show at the Super Bowl XLVII, on Sunday night. - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2273139/Super-Bowl-2013-Celebs-pay-tribute-Beyonc-s-electrifying-half-time-Twitter.html#axzz2JyOFVhp6 (Look it here with attention, because have many comments about the her performance!)

Beyoncé 'So Proud' Of Super Bowl Performance Nielsen estimates that halftime show drew an average of 104 million viewers.

Billboard estimates the half-hour that included Beyoncé's 14-minute extravaganza was one of the most-watched parts of the game

Beyoncé told "Extra" after the performance. "All the hard work, five months of preparation, and it was really great." She was also thrilled about sharing the stage again with Michelle and Kelly, adding, "It really was a magnificent night for me and the girls."

By Monday afternoon, 16 Beyoncé/Destiny's Child singles and 12 solo and DC albums had jumped onto the iTunes sales chart. Though iTunes does not release sales data, industry sources told Billboard that in the week ending on Sunday Beyoncé's digital sales were up by more than 230 percent and DC's sales exploded by more than 600 percent.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1701357/beyonce-superbowl-show-ratings.jhtml

Legacy

Grimes: 'Beyoncé is changing the world'

"She's changing the world. She stands for people of colour and women everywhere succeeding in a stifling patriarchy without compromising her morals. And she makes challenging, interesting art. She's always positive. She is everything good. And the fact that she is hugely successful is not a shitty thing. It's an important and amazing thing and she clearly works hard for it."

http://www.nme.com/news/grimes/68575 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.109.105 (talk) 15:05, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

1981–96: Early life and career beginnings

Beyoncé and Kelly Rowland aren't cousins. Beyoncé often referred to Kelly as her "cousin" in early interviews, but in fact they're not related; they're just good friends. When Kelly was eight, she met Beyoncé for the first time, and moved in with The Knowles shortly afterward. According to bio., "At seven, Rowland’s mother left her father due to domestic abuse and moved the family to Houston, Texas. There, Kelly met another budding songstress, Beyoncé Knowles. According to reports, Doris felt it was better for her daughter to live with the Knowles, and Beyoncé’s parents Matthew and Tina agreed to provide legal guardianship over Kelly."

The media has mistakenly reported that the two are cousins for years because of the way Beyoncé has described Kelly, but there's no truth to it because neither woman has talked about how they're specifically related, and they didn't meet each other until they were 8 years old.

Biography.com

Not sure on the reliability of biography.com. Do you have a better source. AIRcorn (talk) 09:20, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

 Done I've removed the cousin claim for the article, I'm not sure that this is verifiable from one source. If she was, wouldn't it be widely established and reported? —Jennie | ☎ 22:07, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

It is actually verifiable and widely reported.[1] Some are the BBC and New York Post so reliability is not an issue. It could well be as the OP says, that the misinformation has spread though media outlets, but there should be at least one semi-reliable report saying that she isn't. AIRcorn (talk) 22:20, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Legacy

The biography mentions various awards she has achieved and so does the legacy. It is a little repetitive to have it in both. Maybe they should all be included in the legacy section. The forbes ones would fit better there too. AIRcorn (talk) 09:17, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Philanthropy

Where is the Philanthropic section???... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.109.105 (talk) 21:58, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

It was removed and merged into her biography.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 02:15, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Telegraph: Pop's 20 Greatest Female Artists of All-Time

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Jivesh1205 (Talk) 09:05, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

3. Legacy

In this item you should put available the link of her list of awards and nominations! This list disappeared in this article... I don't understand why.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.67.190 (talk) 02:48, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you it's so much better!! Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.188.66 (talk) 14:22, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Public Image or Legacy

Beyoncé and Jay-Z Named Power Couple of 2013

They’re the King and Queen of Hollywood and now it’s official, Beyoncé and Jay-Z have been named the power couple of 2013.

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/relationships/beyonce-280506.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.188.66 (talk) 15:54, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Public Image

Hello, when you have time please organize the public image zone, it seems disorganized, some dates are not in order... It's a little confusing, at least that's what it seems to me, needs to be organized. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.188.66 (talk) 14:27, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Could you be more specific? I'm sure myself and some editors will look over this. —Jennie | ☎ 11:35, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

2013 - Life Is But A Dream

Beyonce's HBO Doc Pulls 1.8 Million Viewers - The Saturday night film is the cable network's most-watched documentary effort in nearly 10 years.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/tv-ratings-beyonces-hbo-doc-422398 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.188.66 (talk) 21:32, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

This has already been added to the Life Is But a Dream page. Thanks. —Jennie | ☎ 11:44, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

2013

Beyonce Signs Global Administration Deal With Warner/Chappell Publishing

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/global/1549702/beyonce-signs-global-administration-deal-with-warnerchappell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.79.231 (talk) 02:10, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

 Done —Jennie | ☎ 11:41, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Addressing length

This has been mentioned above, and its obvious a lot of editors are now picking up on the fact that this is a rather long article. Rather than dispute what should be cut or what should stay, do you think it might be possible to split some of these sections into articles of their own, in similar vein to that of Michael Jackson? He had sections such as Michael Jackson's health and appearance, List of artists influenced by Michael Jackson, Personal relationships of Michael Jackson, etc. Obviously some of these won't be relevant to Beyoncé, but do you think we could split the article like this? —Jennie | ☎ 20:05, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

I think we can cut down excessive detail so that splits are not needed. I and a few other editors have trimmed the legacy section, for example. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 20:15, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

It was put up for reassessment partly due to its length, and since then it has been reduced from over 60kb of prose to about 40kb. I don't actually think it is too bad lengthwise at the moment. I was thinking about combining the other ventures section into the main biography, which could possibly reduce the length further. AIRcorn (talk) 22:14, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

any objections to the above proposal? AIRcorn (talk) 00:16, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Legacy

http://www.vh1.com/music/tuner/2013-02-05/is-beyonce-the-heir-apparent-to-michael-jackson/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.19.79.231 (talk) 03:46, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Rename legacy

There has been some comments here, at the GAR and in edit summaries about the legacy section. I was thinking a rename to better cover what the goal of this section is might be a good idea. Legacy generally applies to people who have passed away, but are still influencing people or genres. Also there are awards and other information there which are arguably not a legacy (I know I put a lot of them there, but there were some before). The heading that I thought of was "Accolades". I would think that would cover everything, including all the artists that cite her as an influence. AIRcorn (talk) 00:23, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Another option is to split out and "Awards and achievements" section. AIRcorn (talk) 00:28, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

We could go for titling the section something like "Recognition" or "Impact". I agree that "Legacy" is a more fitting name for an artist who has left something for pop culture (or whatever) and has influenced many. —WP:PENGUIN · ^{[ TALK ]} 00:37, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

What are your thoughts on this edit?

Aichik is repeatedly removing these two sentences. At this point, I have no other choice than to bring this on the talk-page. I have the impression that many people are ignoring his edits, let alone his personal attacks. I may be wrong but that's my point of view. Here is another piece of information he removed and masked through his edit summaries. Despite her other ventures, Beyonce is first and foremost a singer. So according to you, is it important or not to have her rank on all time charts of the two biggest music markets in the world, that is the US (which is her home country) and the UK? Please vote; Remove or Add back. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 03:58, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I think this should be moved to the GAR.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 04:06, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I think Kww told to bring it to the talk page. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:12, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Talk page/GAR doesn't make much difference to me, just as long as people are discussing things. I am keeping an eye on this conflict and issuing warnings when I think they are appropriate. I hope everyone tries to behave, and remembers that there is nothing inherently wrong with removing material, and the article probably doesn't need a ranking per format type per country or a listing of every award receivedin order to be complete. Aichik may or may not be removing the right ones, but people need to be discussing which of these are necessary.—Kww(talk) 04:30, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

• Add back. She is a singer in the first place, and this belongs to it. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 04:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
• Add back - I think these sentences are perfectly appropriate in the context of their paragraph, especially since this is the 'main' Beyoncé article. They're also correctly referenced. I see no reason other than WP:IDONTLIKEIT for Aichik's removal of this material. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 04:27, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
• Why do this.[3] If you wanted wider input you should have opened a RFC or just posted to a Wikiproject. You have just poisoned the well. AIRcorn (talk) 04:32, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

This is not canvassing. I have never asked anyone to support me. I just asked them to participate. And I also notified people who are NOT members of the wikiproject. Believe it or not, leaving a message on the talk-page of the wiki-project often goes unnoticed. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 04:43, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Then how did you choose these editors? Either way, it gives the appearance of canvassing and now even if they were going to respond (as I imagine Status would have), it looks like they only are because you asked them to. AIRcorn (talk) 04:48, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I may not be a native speaker of English but I know that canvassing is asking people to support. I never did that. I just asked them to participate. Jivesh1205 (Talk) 05:02, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

If you only ask editors to participate because you think they would support your point of view then that is also canvassing. If you chose to notify editors because the have contributed over 50 edits to this article or for some other predefined reason that would be fine. As soon as you start to subjectively notify editors you are going to run into problems. AIRcorn (talk) 05:09, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

I have informed Aichik of this discussion on his/her talk page. Baffle gab1978 (talk) 05:05, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

• Add back - One of a very important fact for Beyonce. As a recording artist, her status on digital sales is of high importance. jmarkfrancia (talk) 04:51, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
• Comment – I believe there are pros and cons of both side. First of all Aichik's removal was uncalled for without discussion, and simply iterating terms like "fanboys" and "misogynist" etc does not help his/her editorial removal case. Secondly, Jivesh although I don't think you are canvassing at all, I do believe you did not need to resort to use phrases like "pressed stan" whatever that is, don't stoop to their level; other wise your actions are fine I believe. Thirdly, I believe the points which are removed, they are surely to be added back, and they need to be stremlined. At present they are just separate chunks of information without any flow. So, in conclusion, add back those removed content, because this is certainly a critical and commercial prominence of the artist in consideration. Let me know what comes out of this, I can help you stream line it. Cheers, —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 05:11, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
• I am just gong to make this a general comment as I am mainly interested in getting this to GA standard and I don't think either of those edits (added or removed) will impact that much. This article should be written for people like me. Someone who doesn't really know much about the artist before they read it. You should aim to make it interesting and long lists of people who were influenced by her or awards she has received don't really do it. No matter what the topic is, an article heavy on statistics is going to not be very appealing to anyone except fans. You don't have to lose all the information, just move it to sub articles. That way the casual reader is going to get a good overview and the person looking for more details can still find the information they desire. I would just chose the most relevant awards, rankings, influences etc and mention them. If she was named number one on a prestigious list then saying she was number 10 on a minor one is not really adding anything. In fact I would argue that it would dilute the attention away from the more important listing. AIRcorn (talk) 05:54, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

• Add back - Useful informations. · Mcdonalds (talk · cont), at 12:18, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

• Add back - I can't see how this isn't useful or important. Why is the user removing this information? This should be kept, seeing how status on sales are important for every artist. Same for the AMA award, I just think you guys should specify that the International Artist Award came from the American Music Awards, knowing that not every user who reads the page will click on the International Artist Award link to see what it means or what it is all about. - Saulo ^{Talk to Me} 13:16, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
• Add back. It's obvious that he is removing relevant information to the singer's legacy. If we want to trim the section it's better to remove those quotes from reviewers, but no the records she made allover US and UK. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 13:30, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

2013

Beyoncé Leads New Gucci Empowerment Campaign

BEYONCÉ KNOWLES, Salma Hayek and Frida Giannini have launched a new Gucci global campaign for female empowerment, Chime For Change. The initiative aims to raise funds and awareness in support of projects for girls and women around the world, through sharing "powerful stories" about inspiring females.

"I have always felt strongly about equal opportunity for women. Girls have to be taught from early on that they are strong and capable of being anything they want to be," said Knowles. "It's up to us to change the statistics for women around the world. I'm honoured to be in the company of women who live fearlessly and set an example for the next generation of young ladies."

The campaign will be officially announced at the TEDxWomen luncheon today by Salma Hayek, who will present a short film detailing the aims of the scheme - narrated by the actress, and set to new music by Knowles. The video is the first in a series of ten Chime For Change short films featuring inspirational women's stories.

http://www.vogue.co.uk/news/2013/02/28/beyonce-knowles-salma-hayek-gucci-chime-for-change-campaign-frida-giannini