Talk:Homework

Please fix link

The correct URL for the Chip Wood article is http://www.kakashihatakeluver.webs.com please fix, thanks.

Rehaul?

Homework something we all hate but have to do for we won't be working at burger king asking do you want fries with that? I was considering a major rehaul of the "Homework" article. It'd probably be several times longer, enough to promote it out of stub status, and include much more information on common types of homework and homework policies. I'd even like to get in a little history, if possible, but if I can't find anything I would leave that for a later editor to insert.

The main problems I see:

1. Length - Homework is a bigger issue than this. It needs something more than a stub; a lot of information is missing.

2. Organization - Partly due to being so short, there's barely any organization at all. The article's topics don't follow logically. Information is inserted arbitrarily. The article needs a more overlying outline structure so new additions with work in seamlessly.

3. Sentence flow - This isn't too bad, but some of the wording here and there is a little awkward. I'll try and check over grammar as well.

4. Neutral point of view - Again, mostly okay, but the tone is still weighted towards homework being a bad thing. I personally do tend to agree with that sentiment, but it's not supposed to be overexpressed here. The information about negative opinions will stay, but a more balanced framework with room for information on positive opinions would feel more neutral.

I'll try and do the rewrite soon, and check it over with some people before submitting. I just wanted to post before doing anything major, so that people would know what was going on and have a chance to voice opinions.

171.66.178.164 11:02, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Agreed

This article isn't great, and clearly it seems very biased. No links but personal opinions of school kids.

Me too, this is too short the arguments don't seem powerful or descriptive enough, and although I'm on the anti-homework side the article has some POV problems. There was also some really ugly spelling in the last paragraph, which I fixed. I'd go for the rehaul. --Sebbyj 04:12, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

External link refence

I would like to suggest my blog's link in the external links reference. The blog may not make much sense to you as it is according to the Indian education board.

Thanking You, Prateek Saxena

I did not get you can you please elaborate on what you just said.

In other words, you cannot add the link. --PhilipO 18:26, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Linking to your own site is against Wikipedia policy [1]. --PhilipO 17:17, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

but there are already many links at the end of the page!!

Please read guidelines on external links.Jasper Deng (talk) 02:04, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Mozart

- OKAY... serious POV issue there. This scientific study was clearly biased and should be removed from Wikipedia. Saying that Mozart only promoted brain activity for a small amount of time, well, many Mozart fans would disagree. - User:Jonathan235|OKAY... serious POV issue there. This scientific study was clearly biased and should be removed from Wikipedia. Saying that Mozart only promoted brain activity for a small amount of time, well, many Mozart fans would disagree. -User:Jonathan235|OKAY... serious POV issue there. This scientific study was clearly biased and should be removed from Wikipedia. Saying that Mozart only promoted brain activity for a small amount of time, well, many Mozart fans would disagree. - Jonathan235

Triple posting is not appreciated. Mr. Quertee 18:22, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

AP Work

-Do we really need a source here: "In the US, students enrolled in Advanced Placement or AP courses are generally given twice the amount of homework than students not taking these courses [citation needed]."? I can tell you from experience it s very true. Some AP Course can have up to 5hours of Homework a week as opposed to 2 in a regular course. I don't think it is documented anywhere, just more of a common knowledge type thing. Longbowe 02:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Citations are always important. Antecdotes are often informative, but statistics are the heart of any fact, your personal experience may or may not always be true, but a citation could confirm it. Emmett5 03:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

My point is that it is obvious it is not my just my personal experience obviously. I didnt make the above quoted comment. Search google and you will get millions of other stories, yet no solid credible sources... Longbowe 01:38, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

--First, just because the homework was harder and it took you twice as long to complete, doesn't necessarily mean that there was twice as much of it. Also, having taken many AP courses myself, I can tell you from personal experience that the "doubbling of homework" is not always true. It all depends on the instructor. Personnaly, I don't see the need to mention AP at all, as the entire section is problematic. AP courses aren't for college credit at all. The AP test can yield credit, but those examinations are open to anyone, not just people who took an AP class. Also, "up to 5 hours a week" sounds like you had it pretty easy. --Srwm4 23:57, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm presently enrolled in AP US History. We have zero homework. The only thing we have to do is study for our chapter tests, and, well, complete a list of terms, briefly describing them and stating their significance. I'm also enrolled in AP Language - or whatever the third year of English may be - and there is little to no homework in my class with my teacher, save the occasional essay or review questions of an essay we read in class but didn't have time to finish in class as well. From where I stand, AP work seems just as easy, if not easier, than regular class work. But that's... only from where I stand. If I were to do just as you did Longbowe, and not to single you out, I would edit this page and remove the idea, because the way I see it, it's not true. That's why you have to get sources - statistics, in this case. --Soul in Ether 07:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

This article needs more adult perspective

As a student myself, I had just been procrastinating and holding a brief conversation with someone on Trillian. I typed in homework and a wikipedia link came up and, being the gifted procrastinated that I am, I followed the link. However, to my dismay, the article seems quite lackluster and pales in comparison to the thousands of other well-developed articles that I have arbitrarily come across. Why? It seems as though it is a student-written article. Now, I have nothing wrong with students nor the population of the world under the age of 18 working on articles of Wikipedia (why if I were, I would be a hypocrite writing this!), but a sensitive topic such as this really needs to have another adult standpoint. This is the kind of article that can really benefit from:

1. A basic discussion of what homework is, variations of homework, and how homework can affect students' lives.
2. An elaboration of the two sides of this story: The students and the teachers. Its clear this is a topic of controversy, "define" that controversy. It's a huge surrounding issue of homework.

One can issue a million commands but have not one fulfilled. --Soul in Ether 07:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Circular Reference

The article says "In Australia, some teacher's groups have complained that the support for homework in the first three quarters of schooling comes mainly from parents rather than from the academic institutions."

It then says that it's from the following webpage: [2]

But on that page, it has an older quotation of the same article with the same sentence there. It contains no other reference to Australia. Could someone find a real source or just delete it? --Cheeesemonger 21:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Exuse Me but

has anybody felt that this whole page has been stripped of information? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.103.11.210 (talk) 13:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC).

yes, definately. i checked this article a while ago and it was abundant with knowledge. Know it is simply a definition! bring back to knowledge!Daniel625 21:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Way too biased

Not only does this article seem somewhat biased against homework, but also the only country that it says anything about is the US!Nathanww 01:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, I think that the small amount of info about homework critisism shows one sidedness and lacks any explaination or detail.

Yah, I think that, too, but don't ask me to fix it, because the human element (*cough* my elitist nature*cough*) might make this article even MORE biased. however, I think that it's okay to put a template saying that the article is biased. Just let me find it... Montgomery' 39 (talk) 20:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

DONE!  :) Montgomery' 39 (talk) 20:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I am a student in the UK and the bit about 10 minutes per day per grade makes very little sense to me, so I agree that it seems biased to the US (and I know that it goes on to mention the English system a bit but that doesn't help me much, either). Perhaps if that said something like per year of age above 5 that would be clearer to users like me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.157.173.184 (talk) 18:22, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

vandalism

not that its any suprise, but someone vandalized the article saying homework sucks and should be outlaws. it pains me to edit out the truth but thats policy. perhaps this page should be watched a little because it does seem like a pretty likely target for vandalism.

Don't worry, mate, here at wikipedia, we have all kinds of tools and awesome shit like that to revert vandalism.  :) Montgomery' 39 (talk) 20:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

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who wants in?

who wants to get together and get this encyclopedic? i personally think its just a dictionary term, but someone is going to create a homework entry, so we might as well make it a good one. any takers? the_undertow ^talk 05:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Are you going to chat? Are you going to wait? Or are you going to contribute? Chill Factor Five 12:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

The article still needs...

A section on the role of parents.

A world perspective. It covers history of homework in the U.S., but what about the history of homework throughout the rest of the world? Japan's homework history would be interesting, as would Europe's, and developing countries, etc. Chill Factor Five 00:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

A section on the types of homework, not to be confused with the purposes of homework (many articles on the Web classify homework by purpose and call it "type"). What I'm referring to as the types of homework is the nature of the homework itself (reading assignments, flash card practice, essay-writing, book reports, math exercises, etc.). What types did I miss?

Chill Factor Five 00:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

oral reports, current events, science experiments...show and tell. the_undertow ^talk 02:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Pictures needed

For the parental section, the article needs a picture of a parent helping his or her child with homework, or sitting down together reading a book.

Chill Factor Five 04:02, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

is this considered studying? http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Teacher.jpg the_undertow ^talk 04:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Stress

Perhaps include a section on stress. Maybe under criticism, but I remember when I was in school and the large volume of homework was quite bad for my health. (This is my first post on a discussion page so I may have gone about this all wrong and shouldn't have posted here before adding something.)Magikarcher 02:46, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

there is never anything wrong with going to the talk page before adding a section. if it was a minor edit, then you should just make the call. WP:BOLD is a good read, and may answer some questions. and because you mentioned that stress personally affected you, maybe WP:OR would be a good read. did i send you enough hyperlinks? happy editing and remember to add sources ;) the_undertow ^talk 04:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Assessment

The A rating looks just a little too generous to me. Perhaps lowering to a B grade and submitting it for good article status would be a good idea? I think it's wise to seek GA status before lifting a rating to A level. Richard001 07:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Agree; making the change. A-class should be above GA, and almost FA; I'm not sure this article is GA. Attention is needed to WP:MSH, WP:LEAD, citing, using Further information or See also templates per WP:GTL, a global view, and comprehensiveness. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:35, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

The Debate

Homework is such a given among students themselves, I'm not sure this article reflects just how debatable homework has become. Several books have recently argued that assigning too much homework so young, for instance, is actually bad on children and hurts education. This point of view needs to be summarized in more depth, especially since many students know nothing OF the debate, with links for more info. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.144.52.79 (talk) 14:04, 15 May, 2007 (UTC)

I agree, this article doesn't really reflect the debates about homewrok clear enough. Yes, there are several books stating the negative impacts of homework on young children but is there a better alternative found yet to replace homework. The view points against homework need to explained more in depth and clarity as well the opposing side. Luvlivelife1 (talk) 23:59, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm in agreement here as well. For example, the 10 minute rule for homework. Harris Cooper says the "research is consistent" with the 10 minute rule, but having reviewed the research myself, I can find no evidence that ANYONE has done a study on whether 10 minutes a grade level is better than 5 minutes or 20 minutes a grade level. If someone can find some solid research showing that someone has actually verified this number, which has been made up by Cooper as far as I can tell, I'd love to see it.--24.83.169.125 (talk) 14:16, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

The Resources section

I'm of a mind to delete the whole section; this is an article to describe homework, not to help educators, parents, and students with it. There should be at most 2 or 3 really good sites that help with homework. Phony Saint 01:00, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, It's a nice-looking section, but it's basicly a directory, and WP:NOT#DIRECTORY. The 2 or 3 "really good sites that help with homework" might belong in Homework help service (maybe), but not this article. / edgarde 02:02, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Done. the_undertow ^talk 03:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

There as been a regrowth of links, especially to commercial sites, in the latter portion of the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pleasantville (talk • contribs) 12:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I snipped a few more. Chill Factor Five (talk · contribs) had left a few editor comments recommending services he wanted preserved, and says on his Talk page he intends to keep restoring "free" commercial links.[3] But since they aren't unique sources of information on the subject of Homework, they should come out. / edgarde 13:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

That sentiment was from March. I'm sure he is more than open to a consensus. There is no need to talk out of school (how appropriate). Why not just leave a message on his talk page? Be Bold. the_undertow ^talk 02:57, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Critisism

I agree with this section, it says homework may be bad for you, my proof is that i really excel in maths and ive hardly done homework, and someone in my class does all their homework and they struggle, lots. However i have asperger syndrome and i think i excel in maths because of that though.90.240.114.176 23:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

This section on criticisms of homework should be expanded. There are other criticisms other than it just hurts learning. For example, homework is also a divisive issue in families (see The End of Homework: How Homework Disrupts Families, Overburdens Children ... By Etta Kralovec, John Buell - http://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=6agE7KrfkfQC&oi=fnd&pg=PR9&dq=homework+divides+families&ots=5NmzmMeZzO&sig=eT56kFGMk4rslaCjtonsAYK7K00#v=onepage&q&f=false). Students are also over-worked (see The Homework Wars by David Skinner - http://sks.sirs.es.vrc.scoolaid.net/text-pdf/0000180890.pdf). --Davidwees (talk) 14:36, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

IB

the IB data seems to be way off, 7 hours of homework is from 16.00 (Time many students get home) to 23:00 (not counting dinner, getting concentrated etc. --Armanalp (talk) 15:16, 12 February 2008 (UTC))

They don't sleep at 23:00.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.86.201 (talk) 05:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC) 

You misunderstand me. I have, as a student, worked that amount of time in short "bursts". Nobody can study for 15 hours a day for long periods. --88.242.172.41 (talk) 17:37, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Negative effects of homework

While homework is supposed to help students reinforce knowledge, there is little scientific evidence that it actually does this for the majority of students. On the other hand, there is sample research that shows that homework has severe negative effects on students. Due to the monotonous nature of homework, it stifles creativity and a desire to learn. It also strains Parent-Child relations because of the fact that the parent must often assume an enforcer roll to make the child complete his/her homework.

Because most students don't enjoy homework, it makes them dread going to school and especially going to classes where they know that they are going to be assigned homework. Because shools are assosciated with learning and because of the negativity of homework, students begin to lose the desire to learn. Also, because they are often repeating similar things over and over (such as in math), their brains are worn intop ruts which cut down on creative or individual mental activity.

Children also need a certain amount of time to themselves that they can use however they want to be happy, which is directly connected with succesfulness and healthy physical and mental growth

The use of homework in school gives students many problems. These problems may include high stress level, a loss in the interest of learning, and a lack of time to do extracurricular activities. While you are gaining knowledge in the subject area you are doing the homework for, you are also losing in other areas. As the older the student gets, there is an increase in the amount of homework and also the difficulty which will increase their stress level. And it has been scientically proven that high stress level can increase the dangers of a heart attack. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ay910 (talk • contribs) 02:56, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

• www.alfiekohn.org/teaching/rethinkinghomework.htm
• http://www.yrng.com/News/Regional%20News/article/69216

some of this might be fake because you can edit it!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.51.12.195 (talk) 08:26, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Semiprotection review

• 18:12, 13 March 2008 Marasmusine protected Homework ‎ (near continuous IP vandalism [edit=autoconfirmed:move=autoconfirmed])

That was over 18 months ago. I'd like to review to see if semiprotection is still considered necessary. As well as welcoming the views of regular editors I've contacted Marasmusine, the protecting admin. --TS 12:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I have no particular objection to unprotection. But somehow I think we'll quickly see a return of steady vandalism from various school-based IP addresses. Marasmusine (talk) 15:44, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I do agree that it's highly probable, but we won't know for sure unless we try it every now and then. --TS 16:05, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Since unprotecting (4 days) anon/new users have vandalised 8 times versus 1 good-faith edit. Will observe for a few more days. Marasmusine (talk) 17:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

My preference would be to semi it again if this continues. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:44, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

I concur. And there is no reason to believe it will not continue. Haakon (talk) 18:03, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

A further 4 vandals versus 1 good-faith edit since I last checked. Not a great ratio, so will semi- again. Marasmusine (talk) 00:16, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I would have kept, because the one good faith edit was pretty good and reverts are cheap. The article has improved more in this week than it did in the previous four weeks. What's wrong with that? --TS 00:40, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

coursework

The article has no link whatsoever to coursework not even in see also, that doesn't look right. 62.147.11.131 (talk) 22:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC) This article is too short. There is little substantial information, I also feel there should be more of a disscusion on the positive/negative effects of homework.Ghtoy (talk) 15:08, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Popular culture section?

Seems this article could do with a "Homework in Popular Culture" section; lots of kid's shows have it, obviously, but it's a big thing in more adult media as well, of course. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.255.195.165 (talk) 05:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

This page is not a forum.

I just cleaned out three offending threads. Please watch the talk page guidelines and WP:NOTAFORUM.Jasper Deng (talk) 02:04, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

History?

Does anyone know when homework was first thought of? When I think of History, I think of preceding the twentieth century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mcm1997 (talk • contribs) 17:43, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

IS HOMEWORK IMPORTANT.

Homework is really important because when your twenty years old you get really lovely jobs!

Edit request on 17 January 2012

Please change the word "worthwhile" in the article "Homework." The word is spelled as "worthwile." It is in the section "Amount of Homework Required," third paragraph, last word.

Thevictor123 (talk) 23:58, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for reporting, I have made the requested change. Keith D (talk) 01:01, 18 January 2012 (UTC)