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Jubilee school isn't promotional

Please understand that I did this page for my school. Jubilee school is a non-for profit school, so it doesn't really matter to promote it or not. It also doesn't accept any students who don't have high IQs among the country, and those students pay almost nothing. I have made this page so that people know about this page and learn about it and what it has to give as it has more information than what's in the website. Jubilee school is an institute so it's neither a private nor a governmental school. It's an institute and an initiative by Queen Nour of Jordan. It is one of the best schools in Jordan, like another one called Kings academy which is also for gifted students only. Jubileeschool (talk • contribs) 20:19, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you mustn't use clearly promotional phrases like: balanced program, differs in ways extending students' knowledge, asmitted for intelligence, sophisticated theatre, fufils special needs, graduates rank high in the national exam scores for secondary schools, etc. Only possible way of adding such phrases is by giving references, like rank table so we could see the graduates rank high for real, explain how it differs so it extends knowledge. Either do it good, or not at all. I'm sorry I can't help since I know nothing about school. Admin said all on history page. I fully support you in updating this article's content. 109.92.219.199 (talk) 20:23, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, I can see now why it sounds promotional. I will change some phrases and add citations to claims. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jubileeschool (talk • contribs) 12:02, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Extracurricular activities

Can someone please help me on how to write the extracurricular activities section in a way that doesn't look like promotion? I mean there are a lot of wiki articles about schools and they write their extracurricular activities in the wiki page, i can't understand why don't you go bother them.. All I did in this article is imitate what another article called 'The city of london school'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jubileeschool (talk • contribs) 12:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to help you by re-writing what you've already written. You should try to make sentences direct and sections short. Check at 16:00 UTC (19:00 in Jordan) or earlier. Always sign your comments with four tildes (4x~). They are present below comment place. Go from 'Insert' to 'Wiki markup' and click on them (left to 'ref', right to '§') 77.46.182.116 (talk) 14:53, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I did it, an hour earlier. What do you think? Plus, you may want to translate this article to Arabic Wikipedia. 77.46.182.116 (talk) 15:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, I guess that looks better and hopefully causes less trouble. Someone also asked me to change my username so that it doesn't look promotional as well. I will try to translate it into arabic as well.--Jubileeschool (talk) 18:35, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You were asked to change your name by one of the administrators (the most important people on the Wikipedia). However, there is no "obligation" to change your username (if it doesn't contain profanity). 77.46.182.116 (talk) 19:25, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How do I translate this into Arabic?

Do I create a new page? or is there an automatic way? please help me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jubileeschool (talk • contribs) 18:37, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, go to Arabic Wikipedia → [1]. I;m not sure, but check whether you have to make new account on the Arabic Wikipedia or not (I'm an unregistered user so I don't know; maybe ask on WP:HD). Everything else goes as on English Wikipedia (Arabic Wikipedia instructions → [2]). Tying articles together is more difficult, but pretty much easy after both articles that need to be tied are present. I could do that if you provide me the link to Arabic Wikipedia article (after you make it). It lasts shorter than 10 minutes. Please, sign your comments. 77.46.182.116 (talk) 19:22, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I found out that there's a very small arabic version of this, and it needs a lot of addition, I will just translate what's in this page and put it there. here's the link: http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%88%D8%A8%D9%8A%D9%84_(%D9%85%D8%AF%D8%B1%D8%B3%D8%A9) it will be better to tell me how to do it though. thanks.--Jubileeschool (talk) 11:56, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Great!!! As for page tying, it's done by adding (at the very end of the article)

[[language code:article's name]]

For example, on Arabic page, you should add

[[en:Jubilee School]]

and on English one

[[ar:اليوبيل (مدرسة)]]

Don't let inverted brackets confuse you - it's Arabic script rendering glitch. Try it for yourself. Oh, and if you ask yourself how I made some parts greyed, it's by using 'pre' markup (as 'ref' one is used for referencing). 93.87.210.14 (talk) 12:17, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Did it myself. 93.87.210.14 (talk) 13:42, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much, it's great now.--Hkhadash (talk) 13:56, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How do I get of the 'Citations needed for this article' message on top?

I tried adding more citations but I don't know what else to add. can someone familiar with this help me? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jubileeschool (talk • contribs) 18:49, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Try removing every part of the article that doesn't have a citation. . . Mean as custard (talk) 18:52, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No!!! Mean as custard (talk · contribs) is obviously being mean. Istead, you should try to find the references. Those, if any, DO NOT have to be in English (look what I did to Education in Serbia; most of the references are in Serbian, but, references are references). If you really can't find any (they don't exist or other), there's really no help for the banner. Is there any news service in Jordan writing about your school (as is with Serbian daily newspaper Blic and Education in Serbia). Don't let anyone discourage you. Also, don't forget to sign your talk page comments. I promise I'll monitor this article the whole August and maybe longer, and will try to help as much as I can. 77.46.182.116 (talk) 19:11, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You're so kind. thank you so much, I'll do my best at getting rid of the banner and will start working on the arabic version.--Jubileeschool (talk) 11:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Profanity → Sanity

Don't bother to understand the meaning of subject (just kidding; it actually connotes the transformation from 'bad' to 'good'). Regardless, I, again, am concerned that this article is about to get either the advertisement or the too much informations banner. And it's especially regarding the newly added teaching style. Some facts are just the excess causing nothing but wiki-trouble. Fact of classroom change for each subject is international and universal, as are no bells on campuses (ordinary secondary schools do have bells, but campuses not). Separating into sections (a.k.a. different courses) is also already mentioned; numbers are irrelevant. As for terms, you probably should stick to these - Institute/School (obvious one; always capital since it implicates no other school/institute rather than Jubilee School/Institute), subject (maths, language, etc; if I understand well, you seem to mix these with courses), courses (orientational class organization; auto mechanics course, journalist course; you seem to mix those with subjects; isn't leadership education subject (as maths is) rather then course (as auto mechanics is)) and class (the organized group of students; I think you meant that with 'sections'). Plus, sections indeed are organized group of students, but only regarding non-academic, extra-curricular stuff (sports, art, etc). Hope this helps. Also, sorry for being a little rude, I just want you to succeed in making this article. As alternative to clumsily expanding this article, you should actually try expanding the Arabic one and referencing both. I wish you good job, 93.87.210.14 (talk) 13:04, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I know when comparing the school internationally, changing classroom or no bells is not a surprise, but it is in my country. It's the only school that has different classes for different subjects and depends on clocks rather than an automated bell. this kind of teaches students independence and time management. All other schools in Jordan both governmental and private have specific classes that students stay in the whole day and year, and depend on bells, that's why I thought I should add this piece of info. Regarding the subjects thing, I'm really sorry but I'm not sure I'm following you. But to me sections meant a branch, like 10 A, 10 B, 10 C and so on. And subject means maths, english, etc. which is something you take the whole year and have exams in. But course means a class that is out of the curriculum like 'leadership course' and you don't take exams or whatever. But it is something you have to attend in order to graduate. Anyway, I appreciate your help and time in editing this article and making it better :) I'm really glad. But now I have a problem with the citations banner on top. I don't know if it's added automatically or someone adds it, however, I need to know what do I have to cite to add it, because I really don't know what I have to cite in the article. --Hkhadash (talk) 14:10, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, pretty interesting. In Europe, sections are something like classes regarding non-academical stuff. For example, students from all - 10A, 10B and 10C are organized into one class - just 10, because only limited number of students are interested in, for example, journalistic section (those organizing school newpapers, etc). There also is 10 - drama section, 10 - art section, and so on. We seem to agree what subject is. In your case 10B is "class 10, section B". In Euro-American case, 10B is "grade 10, class B". What you say for course, is elective in Europe (seems to also be course in USA and Canada). Course in Europe refers to professional schools, wherein those wanting to become hairdressers go through "hairdressing course" - offering them both "hairdressing" as vocational subject and other common subjects (Maths, English, etc). Hopefully, you understood what I was talking about. As for citation needed tag, it is manually added, removed and re-added. However, removing it withou referencing futher puts you in risk as being classified as vandal, being banned from Wikipedia, and this article being locked - putting it in the state where only administrators (only a few people) can edit it. See Battle of Athens (1946) for an example. 93.87.210.14 (talk) 14:28, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yep! The confusion seems to be about the style of teaching across nations. In my country and the Arab world in general we don't get to study what we really want only until we get into college (which is wrong I know, but this is how things are since forever). We have to study all the subjects for 12 years until we get to college.--Hkhadash (talk) 21:01, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, long story short - in Europe, you have gymnasiums (broad education; no job only with it), plus professional a.k.a. vocational schools. Vocational schools are mainly for students without enough money for higher education, for those with lower grades (grades are from 1 (best in West, worst in East) to 5 (worst in West, best in East); mostly those with 2 or 4 (second lowest) go to vocational schools) and ultimately for those who really want to be the technitian. However, something doesn't seem to add up, since Education in Jordan states the possibility of "vocational secondary education"?! 93.86.129.66 (talk) 21:26, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, okay you're kind of right, in Jordan there's this vocational system but only few people go for it, because it has low job opportunities, and doesn't give you the Tawjihi certificate which something like SATs in U.S. Those people mostly have low grades in school and have no chance at passing Tawjihi, so they go vocational. The confusion is that I didn't have that in mind, it's really rare to find someone who go to vocational schools instead of normal ones. Anyway, Tawjihi as well is a frustrating system, someone who wants to be an architect will have to study biology, and history and other unecessary subjects for 12 years or otherwise he will not get a good Tawjihi grade and therefore be rejected by the architectural division in college. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hkhadash (talk • contribs) 13:45, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Deutsche meaning

What is the Deutsche meaning? Did you mean German language? 93.87.210.14 (talk) 14:31, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

yes.--Hkhadash (talk) 20:59, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Further suggestion

I did a little research (on English) and found some works that could be referenced. However, most of them aren't independent (statement by the principal, articles on King Hussein Foundation's website) and those who are independent aren't WP:NPOV ([3]). Maybe this one → [4]. I REALLY would like the "citations needed" tag, but the English-language references aren't good. Please, try some Arabic websites and check if they contain some indenpendent references. Report back here. 178.223.223.170 (talk) 18:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]