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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Thecatholicguy (talk | contribs) at 18:33, 23 March 2012 (→Edit). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

A Google search turns up three different URLs for the ULC:

Given the ULC history with The Monastery, are there people willing to sort this out and update the article? --Jay (Histrion) (talk • contribs) 18:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The ULC Monastery seems to want to separate itself from the original church, so I have added them in a |separations= parameter in the {{Infobox}}. To "sort this out" would require the input of somebody who understands the history of the church's troubles. That is certainly not me. HairyWombat 17:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
http://www.ulchq.com is not the website for world headquarters references thereto have been removed http://www.ulcnetwork.com/apps/location/ is world headquarters [1] Thecatholicguy (talk) 05:58, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are at least THREEB ULCS!

Maybe article should be revised at least THREE Different ULCS!BUNKIA (talk) 20:22, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are three and the respective organizations should be referred to by there legal names. Just for example with the Universal Life Church Monastery, there are two, however the one in Seattle in accord with the Secretary of State is known as the Universal Life Church Monastery Storehouse, Inc. Furthermore referring these Churches as "Separations" is not a reality because they were never a part of another Universal Life Church, they are independent non-profit organizations.

Universal Life Church World Headquarters, Inc. in Carrabelle, Florida [2] Universal Life Church, Inc. in Modesto, CA. [3] Universal Life Church Monastery Storehouse, Inc. in Seattle, WA. [4] Thecatholicguy (talk) 06:10, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References to the Universal Life Church Monastery, Inc. incorporated within the State of Arizona. or the Universal Life Church Monastery Storehouse, Inc. incorporated within the State of Washington should not be made without citation or use of their name of incorporation. The law requires Corporations to utilize their full name to avoid confusion. As of today's date both of these corporations are active and in good standing regardless of what one or the other state.Thecatholicguy (talk) 10:08, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

References to Kirby Hensley, Hensley is not founder of Universal Life Church, he is the founder of Life Church in 1959. In 1962 he simply incorporated under the Universal Life Church name. The Universal or Universal Life Church name by an ecclesiastical definition comes from the Greek Language, with the word universal meaning katholikos which is Christian or Catholic. Universal or Universal Life is what early Christians referred to as the first Roman Church. Kirby Hensley cannot be founder of both Life Church and Universal Life Church, not when has been well documented for 1000's of years. This is common knowledge. Thecatholicguy (talk) 11:34, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

However, Hensley founded an organization that is widely known as the Universal Life Church. Accordingly, it is correct per WP:MOSNAME to refer to it on Wikipedia by that name.
Further, this article is about Hensley's organization. Other organizations named the Universal Life Church or similar should only be mentioned here to the extent that they relate to Hensley's organization. If they are notable separately, they can, of course, be discussed in their own articles. In that case, it's likely that Hensley's organization would be deemed the primary topic and keep the basic Universal Life Church title; the other articles would need article titles that disambiguate their articles from this one. —C.Fred (talk) 12:04, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hensley was founder of Life Church, not Universal Life Church. He only incorporated in 1962 using the universal name. How could Hensley be founder of a Church who was in existence in the 2nd century. Hensley's reason for using the Universal name was political, due to his involvement with the Universal Party. The Hensleys attempted to trademark the name and such was denied because the name is proprietary to Christians and the Catholic Church. It is the Catholic Church who is viewed as the founder of that name. The ecclesiastical definition of universal is catholic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thecatholicguy (talk • contribs) 18:30, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about Universal Life Church, not necessarily Kirby Hensley's Universal Life ChurchThecatholicguy (talk) 18:33, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

universal-life-church.com

I removed this reference because it doesn't seem to meet WP:RS and WP:CITE. It's very biased from what I read. Me-123567-Me (talk) 03:12, 17 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How is this relevant?

I removed this from the article because I honestly do not see how it is relevant to mention that a newspaper in a mid-sized American city wrote an article about the subject that was later published on a website that posts lots of articles. We don't see the same thing about other articles or churches. (For example, on Southern Baptist Convention.) My edit was undid without comment so I would like to discuss it here. Kansan (talk) 18:12, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"The Church was profiled by the The Modesto Bee in an article, Universal Life Church Still Churning Out Ministers, by Lisa Millegan. This article, which profiles the Church during its transition following the death of its founder, was later republished by Belief Net, a website owned by News Corp."

I made a change to the discussion about the ULC Seminary. The ULC Seminary is one of the largest ULC sites and should not be left out. The seminary is affiliated with headquarters and has states so very clearly. This wiki states that that the ULC Seminary specifically is theistic and I stated that it does not say that and quoted the statement of beliefs that verified that statement.(http://www.ulcseminary.org/statementofbeliefs.php). Both were removed with no comment and the previous incorrect information was left up. And I agree that the article mentioned above is irrelevant. Ulcseminary (talk) 04:00, 29 August 2011 (UTC)ulcseminary[reply]

The ULC Seminary is not recognized by any Universal Life Church as an authorized or official website. The ULC Seminary is not a registered corporation in California, it is a fictitious name. The real name is QUEST MINISTRIES OF THE UNIVERSAL LIFE CHURCH & ULC SEMINARY, INC [5] Thecatholicguy (talk) 06:18, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

japan

in the notes you list that japan is very open about the ministers then in the next group you list that japan is similar to europe and does not allow them to sign off on marriages, it has to be one of the other. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.58.162 (talk) 07:13, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Disclaimer/distinguished-from text

Thecatholicguy (talk · contribs) has added the following text to the article to distinguish this Universal Life Church from other similarly-named entities:

To avoid confusion resulting from multiple entities known as the Universal Life Church. The Universal Life Church World Headquarters, Inc. is a separate entity from the Universal Life Church, Inc. of Modesto, CA. (Founded as Life Church in 1959). The Universal Life Church World Headquarters, Inc. has never been a part thereof and unlike the ULC in Modesto, the Universal Life Church World Headquarters, Inc., has a Traditional Doctrine, whereas ordinations are performed within the Christian Doctrine of Faith.[6]
  1. ^ Secretary of State, State of Florida, non-profit corporations
  2. ^ Secretary of State, Florida
  3. ^ Secretary of State, California
  4. ^ Secretary of State, Washington
  5. ^ secretary of state, California
  6. ^ Doctrine of Faith, Lineage and Succession from webcitation.org

My concern is that it's off-topic. He's not demonstrated the confusion exists. Further, Universal Life Church World Headquarters does not appear to be a notable organization, so this seems like an attempt to slip coverage of that organization into this article.

I don't entirely object to a paragraph noting that other similarly-named entities exist that are not related; I do object to it being at the top of the Overview section or in the introduction. I'd like to hear what other editors think about the situation. —C.Fred (talk) 12:09, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Changes

  1. I moved the disclimar to the bottom of the overview section.
  2. I removed that world HQ link. Let's leave all links to DMOZ. Which really is policy. Me-123567-Me (talk) 15:17, 23 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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