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ken griffey jr.

hey man, not trying to vandalize anything, i just think that alot of what is considered is public knowledge in this day and age about one of the most celebrated baseball players of the 1990-2000s. He is also known to be a CF, RF, DH, occasional LF and 1B. I understand the want to verify and make this page as completely encyclopedic as possible; however, again, a lot of this IS public knowledge and thusly needs no citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.55.75.135 (talk) June 16, 2011, 19:47 (UTC)

Re: Minor league category

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Yanks roster

He/she did another revert after you warned him. I'm afraid to hit "Undo" again, since I don't want to be blocked for edit warring either. I did request semi-protection for the template earlier today. Let me know if you need me to do anything else. Kjscotte34 (talk) 17:25, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Looks like we're good. Teamwork always wins. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:48, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

The 72 hour ban expired. Guess who's back, already, changing the template to a spring training roster? Kjscotte34 (talk) 18:45, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Ooh ooh let me guess... Santa? – Muboshgu (talk) 18:49, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

1992 Major League Baseball expansion draft

I saw this at GAN. It strikes me as being more of a list than anything else. Wouldn't FLC be the better route to take? Resolute 01:07, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Maybe. I did struggle with that distinction a bit before I nominated it. My thinking was that there was enough prose to make it more of an article with a list in it, as opposed to a list with some prose. Maybe I should rescind the GAN and go with FLC. I'm not sure. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

My personal inclination is it belongs at FLC. One of us could start a discussion at WT:GAN for more viewpoints though. I just noticed it and didn't want to have you sit in the queue for two months only to have a reviewer dump it on an argument it is at the wrong process. Resolute 01:18, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that would suck. I will start that thread. Thanks for the advice. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:54, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Deleting tiny Career Statistics section

Why is it ok to delete the 1 or 2 lines for Career Statistics summary, but it is ok to leave the many lines on Rankings all through Wikipedia? It doesn't make any sense if the idea is to save bandwidth. Or is there another reason I'm not aware of? This was what I thought was the stated reason on the "consensus" (how many people in this 'consensus' idea?) for the deleting of Career Statistics. Was I wrong all this time? Where *is* this consensus (link) stated so I can see it for myself? Katydidit (talk) 18:57, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

See here. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:01, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

re this

The website responsible for the account is a reliable source. Graphic designers rely on that website. CRRaysHead90 | ^{We Believe!} 04:23, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not a graphic designer, so I've never heard of it, and I'm sure I won't be the only one to question it. Do they have a writeup they published on their own site which we could then consider a reliable source? – Muboshgu (talk) 04:24, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

The website hasn't been updated yet, but the blog has, I found the image on a website that's been used a reliable source before, Chris Creamers' Sports Logos. Graphics design speaking, those two websites, along with Uni Watch in this case, are about as reliable as you get. CRRaysHead90 | ^{We Believe!} 04:32, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I do know uniwatch. They list the colors as "gold, orange, aqua and black (outlined in grey)". – Muboshgu (talk) 04:43, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

He listed rough color names like you or I would, the two sites I've pointed you to list the exact colors. CRRaysHead90 | ^{We Believe!} 04:47, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

ROY succession

Having the succession boxes seems to be standard, see Geovany Soto, Ryan Braun, and other past winners. If you disagree with precedent, you may take it up at WT:BASEBALL; however, until consensus on the matter has been reached, kindly restore my changes. GlassCobra 20:05, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually, there's been a lot of movement to remove those succession boxes. There was discussion on this topic at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Baseball/Archive_27#Career_highlights_in_infobox. Just because they haven't been removed from those other pages doesn't mean they should all stay, it means nobody has gotten to those yet. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:08, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

I see nothing in the section you linked that would indicate a consensus about removing the succession boxes, the only mention of them is in the final statement as an afterthought. As there appears to be no justification as yet for removing the succession boxes, I'd suggest you revert your changes and have a specific discussion on the matter at WT:BASEBALL. GlassCobra 20:12, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

It wasn't discussed at length because it doesn't need to be discussed at length: they are simply redundant to each other. The succession box lists only the year, previous winner, and next winner. The navbox shows all winners. It doesn't make sense to keep both, and considering the navbox contains more information, it's an easy decision as to which should be removed. Even Template:Succession box says that it is a "mostly depreciated" template. Succession boxes should only be used when there is no navbox. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:18, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

So "there's been a lot of movement," yet it "wasn't discussed at length"? If the one mention in that section is the only input on the succession boxes, that is insufficient. If there's been discussion elsewhere, kindly show me. I'm perfectly willing to uphold consensus, I just haven't seen any evidence of it yet. GlassCobra 20:31, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Apologies for my lack of clarity. There has been movement in terms of editors deleting redundant succession boxes when they come across them (though I don't remember who, I've seen a number of instances on my watchlist in the last few weeks), though there has not been a great deal of discussion on the topic. Not everything requires consensus to be done; Wikipedia would grind to a halt in that case. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:45, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Oversaw this while posting below. I am one of those editors. See discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_90#Using_navboxes_where_succession_boxes_would_suffice.—Bagumba (talk) 00:26, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

my bad prod on umps

Thanks for catching that. I even double-checked WP:BASE/N before opening and must have misread the entry for minor league umps. However, I wonder if most umps ultimately pass WP:GNG (no interest in pursuing).—Bagumba (talk) 00:20, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem. I've made similar mistakes lately. I was wondering myself if MLB umpires are so important that they should be included in BASE/N myself, but I'm not looking to open that can of worms either. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:21, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Roster question

Why are some roster templates scrunced together when you click All MLB rosters, like NYY/BOS and DET/KC and OAK/SEA? Just asking. Ositadinma 20:13, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Good question. It's because there is inconsistent spacing in the templates themselves. What I mean is, that if you edit each template, some of them have...

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at the bottom, while others have

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<noinclude>

at the bottom. That makes a difference in whether or not that space appears. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:19, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

So should we have a space between the templates (my opinion yes, more organized) because three currently do not (there will be aleast some seperation because of the title headers between the leagues and divisions). Ositadinma 20:24, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I would say that yes, spaces should be added to those that don't have them. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:26, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

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I had forgotten I even had that sub-page. Must have gotten distracted. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:55, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

It happens. I find all sorts of subpages I have that were half-baked ideas I either dropped or just forgot about. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:00, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

I think it was moved from an article someone else had attempted to create. Now that I think of it, I might have kept it just because I thought it was interesting info. The likelihood of it becoming an article seems doubtful. At the very least, it would require periodic updating. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But I think the point of the article was to see what correlation there might be between population and attendance. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:57, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually, I think it was an AfD that moved to delete, so you must've userfied the info either because of interest or desire to work on it to make it a viable page. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:57, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

RE: Jim Crane

When you add that the transaction for the Astros is completed to the Jim Crane article, make sure that you state he is not the sole "owner", but the leader of a group of owners. The selling group is 30 owners, and the buying group is nine-persons, of which Crane is only one, the spokesman, and head. Crane is not Paul Allen or Mark Cuban, he couldn't buy the team all on his own, he doesn't have that much money. > Best O Fortuna (talk) 04:17, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

PS: This is worth a read: Transferring assets — Preceding unsigned comment added by Best O Fortuna (talk • contribs) 03:26, 18 November 2011‎

Great job beefing up that article. I'll be sure to give that source a read. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:28, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

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Kindly stop specifically targeting my articles for deletion. You actions may constitute as WP:HARRASSMENT and may require administrative intervention. Alex (talk) 18:23, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

What I am doing is not harassment. I'm not targeting you in any way, I'm targeting articles you've created. And as you can see, I'm not nominating ALL of them for deletion: only the ones I believe fail WP:N. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:26, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

• Please refrain from trying to claim ownership of articles. You have created so many baseball articles that it's almost impossible to avoid nominating for deletion articles that the project believes fails WP:BASE/N. Asking for us to tiptoe around non-notable articles you created to only go after non-notable articles created by others is not a reasonable request. There is a high successful deletion rate of articles you happened to create. You used to nominate the articles you created for deletion, yourself, so what forbids others from doing the same? This is about the project, not one individual that has taken an objective issue personally. Agent Vodello^{OK, Let's Party, Darling!} 18:33, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Eh, whatever. Wikipedia is just a game, a relatively meaningless aspect of my life. Nominate to your heart's content. I don't care. I'm sure most people aren't looking up Harold Kollar anyway. I'll make it easy for you: Don Bacon, Charles Baron (baseball), Lou Bekeza, Ray Bellino, Doc Bennett, Alton Biggs, Mike Blazo, Dick Bogard, Earl Bolyard, Ken Bracey, Frank Cacciatore, Keith Champion, Boyd Coffie, Mel Didier, Robert Drury (baseball), Woody Fair, Mal Fichman, Bob Fontaine, Jr., Orv Franchuk, Cade Gaspar, Wes Griffin, Marty Purtell, Al Reitz, Steve Roadcap, Jimmy Sanders (baseball), Floyd Temple, Tommy Thomas (college coach), Glenn Tufts, Reggie Waller, Harrison Wickel. Apologies if I missed anybody. Alex (talk) 22:15, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Actually, this is not "just a game". I will AfD or PROD any articles I believe merit deletion. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:55, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is a game. One that has gotten pretty boring. It was fun for a while though. Alex (talk) 00:16, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

It's not like this information is anything new about you treating this entire thing like a game. We've been well aware of this since July. You finally publicly admitting it shows that you're well aware the project is about to no longer be your playground. Agent Vodello^{OK, Let's Party, Darling!} 17:30, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Alex, if you honestly believe that Wikipedia is in fact a game, then it would be best if you did stop editing and left. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 17:32, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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	Your hard work will never go unappreciated. Iamhungey (talk) 06:13, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

It's always nice to be appreciated :) – Muboshgu (talk) 14:07, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for George Kelly (baseball)

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Marlins roster templates

Blue on black is not that hard to read, in my opinion. Blue is an accent color and should not be a primary color. Black and orange are. Ositadinma 21:42, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

The color is black (at least on the jeserys), not graphite. Those colors swatches were wrong at least from looking at the jerseys not the logos with the bare eye. Ositadinma 21:59, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm. Then it should be corrected on Miami Marlins. I have to look for the guidelines about colors on wiki, but to me the blue on black is tougher to read than the orange on black. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:03, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

If you look at the primary logo, the colors look like; black, salmon, electric blue, some short of yellow and white. But the Marlins revealed a black and orange jersey with the same accent colors on others, not graphite and salmon like the photobucket color swatch has said. Grahite and salmon are ugly and not even floridian colors. Ositadinma 22:08, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

I found this source, lists the hex triplets. Ositadinma 22:44, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Josh Romanski

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Allie Reynolds

Thanks for your help with Allie Reynolds' page. I appreciate you adding notes from the Gittleman text - it really helps to fill out the narrative.

Let me know if you have ideas about remaining improvements. I am going to look into adding data about his no-hitters and his general importance to those championship Yankee teams.

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I put this article on my "list of articles to expand" not too long ago. That Gittleman text gave me good info for his amateur and minor league years, but the article could use some talk about the no-hitters and more season-by-season recapping. – Muboshgu (talk) 06:18, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Rex Ryan

Given NFL Records are posted in a endless supply of locations - I'll submit to the obvious and post the links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsktsktsktsk (talk • contribs) 17:50, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

The fact that the Jets have finished behind the Patriots in the regular season standings is not being questioned. However, you are attributing it to Ryan's coaching strategy without any verification. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:39, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Hideki Irabu

Hello Muboshgu, you just left a message on my talk page about a little correction I made to the Hideki Irabu article, and I use the word correction because it was actually about accuracy and not about censure; the fact is that I’m a Yankee fan and I have been all my life, and I clearly remember the incident between the Boss and Irabu, I also remember the YELLOW PRESS attributing the words “fat pussy toad” to the Boss, when the real term he used was “fat toad”, not a big deal anyway, I just think that sensationalism should be kept away of Wikipedia, since people search articles here and this information is widely accepted as factual and highly regarded; as I said before, no big deal to me, but just like me, there are a lot of people out there that will recognize that not all the information posted here is completely accurate.— Preceding unsigned comment added by DerKrakeMann (talk • contribs) 20:39, December 5, 2011

Actually, I recall that the newspapers censored the full quote at the time. The accurate quote was "fat pussy toad". – Muboshgu (talk) 15:15, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

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Birdie Tebbetts

Thanks for the encouraging words, but I don't have the writing chops to get an article up to publishing standards. Too many misplaced commas and so forth. I can get them close, but it takes a better editor than myself to get them to GA standards.Orsoni (talk) 16:40, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Object Permanence GA Status?

Hello Muboshgu, I have noticed that there has been a lot of recent changes on the review process about the page Object Permanence. I am in a college class that is associated with this page through the aps Wikipedia Initiative. If you could review the page within the week, because our class finishes on the December 16th, that would be really appreciated because my professor wants our page to be as well done as possible and I feel that you will give us some very useful ideas. Thank you for your consideration, (Fredodin (talk) 19:30, 7 December 2011 (UTC))

It is my intention to have it reviewed by Friday at the latest. I should have noted it in the review page already. I'll note it now. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the very prompt response. (Fredodin (talk) 03:07, 8 December 2011 (UTC))

T. Wilson

Wanted to get your opinion on something. Should I make an article for the Jets' safety Tracy Wilson? He was promoted to replace Emanuel Cook and is the only active roster member without an article. He did play against the Redskins this past Sunday. Does he deserve an article or does he fail WP:Athlete? -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 21:11, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

It's my understanding that playing in at least one NFL regular or postseason game is enough to meet WP:Athlete, no? – Muboshgu (talk) 00:59, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

That's the same impression I'm under. I just figured I'd get a second opinion before I dove headfirst and some said "by the way" after the fact. -- The Writer 2.0 ^Talk 02:08, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

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Problem with script?

Possibly an issue with a script you're using - your last couple of posts to WP:RFPP removed a number of other entries from the page. See [1], [2]. It doesn't look intentional, so you might want to look into what's happening... WJBscribe (talk) 23:01, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah. If you look a little further in the page history, you'll see that's the second time its happened to me today. Twinkle occasionally gives me that problem, but usually more spread out. Thanks for the info. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:02, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Mungo

Hi Muboshgu, responding to your question while moving "Van Lingle Mungo" to "Van Mungo". I think the article was called that because Mungo was often referred to as Van Lingle Mungo, for some reason, I don't know why. When he is mentioned in baseball books that I've read, his middle name is always there. There was a famous song written about baseball players, and its title was Van Lingle Mungo. If you do Google searches for Van Mungo and Van Lingle Mungo, there are slightly more hits for Van Lingle Mungo. I don't mind the title change really, just letting you know. - PM800 (talk) 00:59, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

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Where can we duke this out?

You are wrong. Who can moderate this discussion? I have tons of proof and would like for someone else to rule instead of you constantly reverting my edits and thinking you own the place. --FourteenClowns (talk) 17:56, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Go to WT:BASEBALL. This has been discussed ad naseum. For all we know, he failed his physical, and ESPN is wrong. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:56, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

If ESPN changes their profile page that should be enough with all the articles. They are the Worldwide leader and you think they would know more than us chumps if it was official or not. They'd have more egg on their face if it wasn't and they update their page than us. We know more people are looking there than here about Pujols. --FourteenClowns (talk) 17:58, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

It's the mlb.com profile page that matters, not the espn one. Spanneraol (talk) 18:05, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Why would ESPN and those other sites change it if it were going to fall through? They'd look like fools. It's done. Stop being angry, controlling trolls who think they own this site. What made it yours? It belongs to EVERYONE and most people want it changed but you censor and block those people. It's not right. --FourteenClowns (talk) 18:10, 9 December 2011 (UTC)