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Iris

Please provide an official source that states that the new female character in Pokémon: Best Wishes! is named "Iris" in the English language. "Airisu" is a girl's name in Japanese which is not intended to be read as "Iris".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:38, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Automatically assuming that the name Airisu is the English name/word "Iris" is considered original research and is completely forbidden on Wikipedia. Please provide something other than your interpretation of the Japanese language to show that the name is "Iris".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:19, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's not OR to say that "ai" is a long "i", or that "u" (without a macron) at the end of a word is silent. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 20:37, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It is OR to say that the name is "Iris" when "Airisu" is a Japanese girl's name, like Kasumi, Haruka, and Hikari are. Unless you can show a source that says that in this instance, those katakana are "Iris" then it should be "Airisu" until proven otherwise. The name is pronounced as "A-i-ri-su". Not "Ai-ris". The U is never silent in Japanese. Please see my comment on Talk:Pokémon: Best Wishes! and do not remove the hidden comment tags around "Iris" because we do not know if this is her name.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:36, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The "u" is silent in foreign loanwords. Japanese doesn't just have "consonant" for most consonant sounds in English; they (with the exceptions of "n", which exists as its own syllable in Japanese, and "t" and "d", which use "to" and "do") use "consonant + u" instead, with the "u" being mostly silent. For example, "Pocket Monsters" is written "Poketto Monsutaa". --70.134.48.188 (talk) 22:54, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
How do you know that it is a loanword at all in this instance? "Airisu" is a name in Japanese. Assuming that it is a loanword is original research.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:04, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The same could be said about the series title. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 23:04, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No. The series' title is very clear that it is loanwords because a) it has long been stated in Japan that "ポケットモンスター" is intended to be translated as "Pocket Monsters", a name that appeared on the box art of the early media, and b) "ベストウイッシュ" is very clearly featured in the logo (which is going to be deleted soon because it should not be hosted on the Wikimedia Commons) as "Best Wishes!". As I've stated plenty of times, the name "Airisu" is one in Japanese that is not always "Iris". Your knowledge of how the Japanese treat the English language in their syllabary is very good, but it is not applicable in this fictional character's name.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:22, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It isn't OR to say that the name Iris is written in katakana as アイリス Airisu. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 23:28, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have a reliable source to say that in this very instance, the katakana アイリス when referring to the fictional character to appear in the upcoming Pokémon anime subtitled "Best Wishes" are intended to be read as "Iris"? If you do not, then it is WP:OR to say that those katakana are to be translated as "Iris" rather than "Airisu".—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 23:31, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For the last time, do not refer to the character as "Iris" unless you have a reliable source that says her name is written as "IRIS" in the English alphabet.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:19, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is the last time I am going to tell you this. Do not use the name "Iris" on the English Wikipedia to refer to the fictional character represented in this image. There has been no official English reading of those kana and I have told you time and time again that it is considered original research to automatically assume that the name must be translated as "Iris" when no other character in the Pokémon anime in Japan has had an English name. Sure, the new season may be an exception to that, but at this point in time you cannot make that connection. To clarify, this content is no good. Also, this is the second time you have used misleading edit summaries when editing articles.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:49, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

When you reverted that edit, you also removed a sourced statement that Dento is a Gym Leader. Unless you think that should be removed as well, be more careful before you click "Undo". --70.134.48.188 (talk) 01:51, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I am aware. But in my next edit to the page, I readded the reference and formatted it better. Yet in your next edit, you merely reverted and put the unreferenced "Iris" name on the article.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:52, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Then you should've mentioned that in the second edit summary. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 01:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well I just have. So do not revert, again, because your edit contains the name "Iris" which I have told you for the past two weeks is not reliably sourced.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hey you Wikipedia regulars, stop beating up this editor. A Google search finds this new character named Iris all over the web. No "official" source is required for something that is common knowledge outside Wikipedia. 64.105.65.28 (talk) 02:18, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

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Request reason:

Only a very vague reason given for block. If this is about the BW edit war, Ryulong was edit warring as well and must therefore be blocked as well.

Decline reason:

A clear reason of edit warring was given, the article was previously protected because of edit warring you were engaged in and once the protection ended you began it again. Also you shouldn't accuse people of vandalism[1] when you simply disagree with them. Have a look at WP:NAM, it's a great essay on what you're going through.

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Reliable sources

This is the last time I am going to tell you this. You cannot add information to Wikipedia without it being supported by verifiable reliable sources. Unless you can provide a reliable source to say that Best Wishes is going to start on September 16, you are not allowed to say it on Wikipedia. This goes for any information you add. Just because something is a source also does not mean you can use it to support what you want to say. This does not say "September 16" on it and neither do any of the other references on the page, so you cannot use it to say this.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:08, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It says it starts the week after Sinnoh League Victors ends, and Sinnoh League Victors ends on September 9. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 17:22, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Then it means its a fan site nothing else because Sinnoh League Victors never even existed in Japan. It's only Pocket Monsters Diamond & Pear if we are talking about the Japanese version here. ♫♪Adyniz♪♫ 23:50, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I meant the current season; I just called it Sinnoh League Victors because that's what the season is called in English. The source never actually calls it that. Rather, it says after Diamond & Pearl. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 00:09, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a reliable source according to Wikipedia's rules on them. It says on the top "This site is Japanese Pokemon Fan Site." That means it is not a reliable source.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:59, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ryulong is right. It says it is a fansite on the page multiple times. Blake (Talk·Edits) 03:05, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I said "reference", not "source". As a rule, you should not use direct links to screencaps of television shows or direct links to scans of magazines as references, as it does not qualify for fair use. I kept the date in there. But that link cannot be used at all.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:55, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can you understand anything myself or other users have been saying to you? We know the rules here. Apparently you don't.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:13, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you know the rules as you claim, then you should know that fixing is preferable to deleting whenever possible. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 22:16, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Stop adding a link to the image.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:37, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Commercials are reliable sources, but none can be found currently. Regardless, ja.wiki is using 9/23 as the airdate. Stop edit warring with me and every other fucking editor who gets in your way.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:51, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pokémon: Best Wishes!

I'm afraid you are going to need to discuss the changes you are making in the Pokémon: Best Wishes! article, as at least two other editors are claiming your additions are not verifiable or are otherwise not in the references given. Be advised that further blind reverting will result in you being blocked for edit warring again, and it may not be by me this time, nor would the others in which you are in a dispute be blocked. As before, discuss at Talk:Pokémon: Best Wishes!. Regards, –MuZemike 00:12, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So when two people edit war, only one of them is blocked? Why is the other one somehow immune to the prohibition against edit warring? --70.134.48.188 (talk) 12:08, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No. Ryulong never reverted more then 3 times in a row. You however reverted for "your side of the war" like 10 times in a row. Blake (Talk·Edits) 23:06, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't have to be in a row, it just has to be in the same 24 hour period. And the policy even states that fewer than three reversions can also be blockable. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 01:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
When more than one person is reverting you, this is usually the indication that you should stop making your edits to the page.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:42, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Google Translator is not a reliable source.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not saying it is. It's just that I don't speak Japanese so I ran the page through Google Translate and copy-pasted it. If someone speaks Japanese themselves, of course, they're perfectly free to translate it directly. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 21:01, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But if you can't locate a valid reliable source to back up the translation, then it's considered original research, which isn't allowed on Wikipedia. --SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 21:19, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Foreign-language sources are specifically allowed if no English-language version exists. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 21:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
But using Google's translation is not allowed. Use the original source. Also, the entire staff section is not going to be relevant to this particular article because it is just an article on an individual season that will inevitably be renamed once the US production gets to it. We don't need the cast list or the producers there because it's already on every other important article.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 22:32, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I did use the original source; I merely used Google Translate to help understand it. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 23:18, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

August 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute to the encyclopedia, but when you add or change content, as you did to the article Pokémon Black and White, please cite a reliable source for the content of your edit. This helps maintain our policy of verifiability. Take a look at Wikipedia:Citing sources for information about how to cite sources and the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. - Donald Duck (talk) 22:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If the edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. TbhotchTalk C. 22:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The games are Pokémon, so my edit's validity stands. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 22:59, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No, they aren't. TbhotchTalk C. 23:03, 24 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. If the edit warring continues, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. TbhotchTalk C. 22:38, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They could do anything with the game they want, and take a whole new direction. We don't know! They made the bold move of not using ANY Pokemon from old generations until you get your National Dex. NO Pikachu, Jigglpuff, or anything. That was WAY unexpected. Anything can happen, so we don't guess about things. Blake (Talk·Edits) 23:02, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Enough!

Please listen to what other editors are saying to you. For one thing, do not reinsert "Iris" or "Dent" into the page Pokémon: Best Wishes! unless you can cite a valid reliable source. The output of Google Translate is not a valid reliable source. If you still disagree, please discuss on the talk page. Do not continue revert-warring, or you will be blocked. --SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 21:00, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't actively choose to insert those in; in fact, I didn't even read the output before pasting it. Unless you think that the TV Tokyo website isn't a reliable source for the cast of the Pokémon anime, stop complaining. --70.134.48.188 (talk) 21:30, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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