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Iggygate Reference

This incident was incredibly notable, picked up by countless mainstream media outlets. Below are just a handful from dozens.

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-iggygate18oct18,0,7618607.story?coll=la-home-entertainment http://www.salon.com/ent/video_dog/media/2007/10/19/iggygate/ http://www.etonline.com/news/2007/10/55168/ http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/features/5295685.html http://docs.newsbank.com/g/GooglePM/MWSB/lib00252,11C63CF8795D4998.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21534005/

For those that aren't devout followers of the show, this is arguably the most well-known moment from The Ellen DeGeneres Show. The Youtube videos on this incident have tens of thousands of views. I think it definitely needs to be included, as it started a little firestorm in late 2007. It just doesn't seem appropriate to leave it out.208.179.160.78 (talk) 03:27, 9 January 2009 (UTC)Harriet[reply]

Woof. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:42, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Umm... what? siℓℓy rabbit (talk)
Which one of us are you talking to? It's about the stupid dog. Big deal. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 03:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure how much weight to put on this but below is a start. -- Banjeboi 03:53, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Your proposal (below) looks much more suitable for inclusion in an article then the original edit. However, as you say, weight would seem to be the deciding factor. It doesn't grab me particularly, but Ellen is known for her affection for animals. Perhaps this should be included in a section on something of that sort. siℓℓy rabbit (talk) 05:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's an excellent suggestion, it could be bundled with her support of that livestock proposition and the Covergirl make-up testing drama as well as her ad campaign for American Express thereby contextualizing these down to the salient issues. I wonder if we have any more background explaining her love/advocacy of animals? -- Banjeboi 05:33, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Potential content

References

  1. ^ United Press International Report on Plea
  2. ^ CNN Report on response to Plea
  3. ^ Inside Edition - Animal Rescue Agency Reaction
  4. ^ "Ellen DeGeneres Orders: Stop the Death Threats!" (Video). The Insider. CBS. 2007-10-18. Retrieved 2007-10-19.

Discussion

  • Oppose putting it in. I removed it recently, referring to the incident as a tempest in a teapot. I believe that it was a minor incident that was blown way out of proportion, and then blew over. I don't think it was ever encyclopedic, and I don't think it's near encyclopedic now. I also take exception to the idea that this is the most, or one of the most, notable events from the show. It was a minor event. It happened. It's over. Are we going to cover every time DeGeneres is in the media for something? She's a public figure. This article would never end. Kolindigo (talk) 06:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Ellen episodes

Yo, I just rewrote List of Ellen episodes, but I haven't actually seen any eps, so I'm constructing summaries from several different episodes guides on the net. If anyone could look over them and make sure they're okay, or even write a few yourself, I would be grateful. Thankyou. Dev920 (Have a nice day!) 10:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Vegetarian

I've heard that Ellen is a vegetarian, but I can't seem to find any reliable sources. Does anyone know this for sure? Phoenix1304 (talk) 09:56, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Idol Gives Back

Ellen will co-host Idol Gives Back again. Banjeboi 14:36, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Marriage

I had to add ap google link as reference and add specifics, there is no citation: On her May 16, 2008 "The Ellen DeGeneres Show," she announced that she and partner Portia de Rossi ("Ally McBeal," "Nip/Tuck") will be getting married. The sudden decision was made after the legalization of gay marriage in the State of California.ap.google.com, DeGeneres, de Rossi plan to marry, AP is told --Florentino floro (talk) 10:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

California no longer recognizes these marraiges. How is it dealt with now?--Jojhutton (talk) 13:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It remains to be seen how California will treat marriages contracted before Prop 8 passed. The AG seems to think they can remain valid, despite the plain language of the proposition. In any case, I don't see why it matters what CA law says; WP is not an agency of the State of California, so it's not bound by CA law. They had a wedding, therefore they are married; whether their local government recognises the marriage is a matter between it and them. -- Zsero (talk) 16:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The problem gets to be how "marriage" is defined. There is both a legal and a spiritual component to marriage. Liberal church ministers have been "marrying" gays for a long time. It's the legal side of it that's in question. And obviously the California courts will at some point have to decide whether to "grandfather" those ceremonies or not - and also decide whether it really matters or not, i.e. whether there is any legal benefit - such as whether they can legally file a joint state income tax return. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 16:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How the CA courts will deal with it is an interesting question, but not relevant here. WP is not based in CA, and is not governed by CA law. Federal law has never recognised this marriage. AIUI WP is based in FL, and FL law has never recognised this marriage either, so if we were to go down that road then no WP article should ever recognise any same-sex couple as married. But I don't think we should go down that road at all; if a couple hold themselves out as married, and are recognised as married by their society, then WP should go along with it, regardless of what laws happen to be in effect in their locality at any given time. Let the State of CA worry about their tax status or whatever. -- Zsero (talk) 17:58, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Generally speaking, the legal side of marriage is defined at the state level, not the federal level. There are growing exceptions, e.g. the full-faith-and-credit clause is effectively being denied by states that don't want to recognize non-traditional "marriages", such as same-sex or polygamous. Also, the fed obviously determines what it will recognize as a "marriage", for purposes of the 1040. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Full Faith and Credit clause has never required states to recognise marriages that could not have been performed in those states; all it requires is that states not deny a document or act recognition merely for having been done in another state. In any case, the constitution explicitly gives Congress the power to define the operation of the FFC clause, and Congress has said (in DOMA) that states don't have to recognise each other's same-sex marriages. But none of this has to be relevant to WP; DeGeneres and de Rossi are married, whether or not their state recognises it. -- Zsero (talk) 18:29, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There are two components of marriage, legal and spiritual. They can stay spiritually married as long as they want to. They can only be legally married if the state of California decides that the legal component of their marriage remains legal following the November 4th vote on the matter; or if they move to a state that does recognize same-sex marriages and either get "re-"married or if that state will regard them as already married. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? 18:46, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Again, WP is based AIUI in FL, so if you're worried about the legal status of a marriage then we should never recognise any same-sex marriage, anywhere in the world. But that doesn't seem to be the way we do things. FL law rules for copyright issues, i.e. for the law that WP as a corporation obeys, but doesn't govern article content. -- Zsero (talk) 18:52, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The location of the wikipedia servers has nothing to do with the status of their "marriage", nor does copyright law. Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc?
This just shows POV to me and proves Wikipedia isn't an encyclopaedia. Ellen's domestic partner is a woman, and her legal "marriage license" was revoked. As such she is not married. --210.9.143.68 (talk) 05:35, 7 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think MOS:IDENTITY can help us here. We use a transgender person's latest preference of gender pronoun when refering to them, regardless of whether their local government recognizes them as such. While this is obviously not the same situation, I think the spirit of that guideline can be applied here; a couple should be refered to as married if they consider themselves married. A note that the state of California no longer recognizes their marriage (if this is the case; I haven't heard anything solid on this yet) seems appropriate, though. Jomasecu talk contribs 19:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wedding guests: "... their respective mothers." Wrong. The mothers are not individually listed, so "respective" does not belong. "...their mothers." is correct. "respective" has a specific meaning, although many people who write on Wikipedia have no clue about it. Please try to write in English, not Internet Illiterate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.154.225.212 (talk) 04:02, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence stating that the status of Portia and Ellen's marriage is in "doubt" because of Prop 8 needs either to be removed or amended following the California Supreme Court's ruling today. The court maintained Prop 8, but added that the lack of any "retroactive" language in the Proposition meant that any same-sex couples already married are still married. So it's not in doubt. And it seems, from the wording of the opinion, that it will never be in doubt as a result of that particular Proposition. 71.98.73.82 (talk) 21:18, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can the state supreme court judgement be appealed to the united states supreme court?? A to the Lex (talk) 21:52, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"On November 17, 2005, the show was played in reverse."

What does this mean? In reverse how? The tape backwards or what? I believe this statement should either be expanded upon or removed. CapnZapp (talk) 11:03, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"making it the second time she hosted the Emmys following a national tragedy."

And the first? CapnZapp (talk) 11:07, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"tended to by a male nurse"

Why is the sex of the nurse significant here? CapnZapp (talk) 11:11, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish

She has stated many times that she is Jewish, how come it's not on her page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.73.141 (talk) 03:03, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because it has little to nothing to do with her notability? Wildhartlivie (talk) 05:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Issues of religion need to be sourced reliably so start there. -- Banjeboi 14:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Forget about reliable source - right now I'd like even an unreliable source for this! I've never heard of it, and a quick web search doesn't yield anything obvious, so where are these "many times" that she's stated it? I suspect the anon editor is trying something on. -- Zsero (talk) 18:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
And, (@ User:144.134.73.141), on another tack, if we establish she is not jewish, do we add a bit that says "she is not jewish"? Of course not. That too is irrelevant to her notability. Kaiwhakahaere (talk) 22:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
According to adherents.com, she grew up a Christian Scientist. 204.52.215.107 (talk) 05:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vegan

User:Sugarcubez added a paragraph about Ellen having been a vegetarian 10 years ago, with a reliable source (Ellen on video saying so), and about her recently becoming vegan, but that had no reliable source, just some blogger repeating what she'd heard on the grapevine, and a news sheet repeating what the blog said. And about how this made her Cover Girl gig controversial, again without a reliable source. The only reliable thing there was that 10 years ago she was a vegetarian, but we don't know for how long. She certainly hasn't been one for all this time; she's openly written about eating meat quite recently. And if it was only for a short time it's not significant, unless it can be cast as a precursor to her current veganism, which we must first confirm from a RS. -- Zsero (talk) 18:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

references

  1. ^ [1]
  2. ^ [2]
  3. ^ [3]
  4. ^ [http://www.afterellen.com/blwe/08-22-08
  5. ^ [4]

discussion

I agree the sourcing could be better but their does seem to be something to this.

I would support better sourcing and clarity to re-include this. -- Banjeboi 22:23, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

this is a reliable source that they're vegans. So that can go in. How much else? Is it relevant that ten years ago, for some unspecified time, she was a vegetarian, but then gave that up? -- Zsero (talk) 22:54, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think that comes down to better writing. "Although she has been associated with both animals rights advocacy and vegetarianism ..." i agree that pinning 1998 seems unhelpful. -- Banjeboi 23:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Picture

It's not terribly flattering. It should be replaced with a well lit picture. The current picture looks too much like a mug shot —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.210.64.214 (talk) 03:54, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you find one that's not copyright? If so, feel free to upload it and replace this one. Or if you don't know how, point us at the picture and we'll do it. But we can't use copyright pictures. -- Zsero (talk) 04:29, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
We could send the current one to the image lab for clean-up - they do great work. -- Banjeboi 18:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

General Bio

Don't know how to edit this -- but Ellen did not come out on the Oprah Winfrey Show first, she came out on the cover of TIME and then in an interview with Diane Sawyer aired on 20/20. It is true that Winfrey was on the coming out episode of ELLEN, but Degeneres went to the Oprah show after TIME and 20/20. —Preceding unsigned comment added by UsefulMusic (talk • contribs) 01:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Individual details

Should be something on some of her more notable characteristics and catchphrases, such as almost never wearing dresses or skirts (which is thie point of the "You know me, any excuse to put on a dress" remark). AnonMoos (talk) 13:37, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Covergirl

2 bits have been removed: Critics[1] have noted a degree of hypocrisy in Ellen's support for California's (2008) Proposition 2, an animal rights proposal, and her role with Cover Girl Cosmetics, one of the remaining cosmetics companies that still uses animals for testing its products.

and

P&G, maker of CoverGirl cosmetics, does not test beauty products on animals; nor do we ask suppliers to test them on our behalf. We do not test beauty ingredients on animals, except in rare cases when needed to meet regulatory or safety obligations. For more information on our full policy, visit http://www.pgbeautyscience.com/animal-testing-alternatives.html.

Neither seems to belong.

Remember wp:blp before readding.

Ellen (sitcom, 1994–1998)

There's a sentence in this section which seems ungrammatical to me: 

    "Subsequently her character on the sitcom came out of the closet in April to her
    therapist, played by Oprah Winfrey, that she was gay.

Doesn't "came out of the closet" imply that she was gay, so you don't need to say "that she was gay" at the end of the sentence? I would suggest either lopping off "that she was gay" or changing it to "came out of the closet as gay" as alternatives, and will change it to one of these alternatives if there are no strong objections.Savacek (talk) 18:09, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Closeted can be many different things but a rewording may help. -- Banjeboi 19:19, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

! presence

o come on, if your not ganna let us edit the site, at least be better with silly (subtly humorous i might add) things like this:

"... and would later re-establish herself as a successful talk show host!"

fix por favor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.18.9.157 (talk) 00:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out, I have fixed it. The reason the article is semi-protected is because of a steady stream of vandalism/experimentation by new users. The . was changed to a ! by an IP user 10 days ago during a period when the article was unprotected.[5] We're a lot of regular editors keeping an eye on this article, but the vandalism/experimentation has been too heavy to keep up with small subtle changes like the one you found, hence why the protection was switched on again. Siawase (talk) 12:52, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

womack and womack teardrops video

she is in the video "teardrops by womack and womack before she was famous


simon lock —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.41.15 (talk) 21:24, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Decision to be an American Idol Judge

Some interesting links to provide content to the article. this... and this - Ellen has a controversy section?: Fued with Simon Cowell - This has been developed in the past. --A3RO (mailbox) 01:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Ellen DeGeneres Show

DeGeneres launched a daytime television talk show, The Ellen DeGeneres Show in September 2003. Amid a crop of several celebrity-hosted talk shows surfacing in at the beginning of that season, such as those of Sharon Osbourne and Rita Rudner, her show has consistently risen in the Nielsen Ratings and received widespread critical praise.

The second sentence needs the word 'in' deleted (near beginning). EyeKnows (talk) 01:50, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --Mike Allen talk · contribs 02:33, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2001 Emmy Awards quote

DeGeneres is quoted "We're told to go on living our lives as usual, because to do otherwise is to let the terrorists win, and really, what would upset the Taliban more than a homosexual woman wearing a suit in front of a room full of Jews?" But that's not really what she says, is it? watch here --Devilsanddust (talk) 11:42, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

 Done -- Zsero (talk) 13:58, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe this is minor...

This is probably minor, but the Ellen DeGeneres Show in the Television table looks out of place. At least to me, it looks like it should either be with the other 2003 shows, or if not there, then it should be at the very bottom of the list below American Idol. Either the table is sorted by when the show originated, or when it ended. Originated then placed in 2003; ended or ongoing then at the bottom. BashBrannigan (talk) 06:18, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ellen - Will & Grace

I'd like to add that Ellen Degeneres appeared in an episode of "Will & Grace" in 2001. She played a quirky nun who bought Grace's lemon of a car. The episode was entitled "My Uncle the Car" from season three (Original Airdate: 2/15/01). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glenb1979 (talk • contribs) 14:33, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It might be undue, she's been a guest star on many shows so noting them all, as entertaining as they may be doesn't seem that helpful. -- Banjeboi 14:35, 2 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

{{editsemiprotected}}

Nick wellings (talk) 21:52, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Tim Pierce (talk) 19:15, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Halo Pet Food

ellen degeneres owns a pet food company called halo. there needs to be info on that in here! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Joe1997 (talk • contribs) 18:05, 23 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

eleveneleven

Ellen actually came up with the name 'eleveneleven' as the number eleven holds a certain significance to her in the fact that she often sees it in various places, one of them was that when she checks, her clock often reads 11:11. On her show, joking that "I’ve got to fix my clocks by the way". It wasn't just that she found Greyson on the 11th and that his soccer team number was 11. It should be added that this was just one of the factors in her choice for the record labels name. KaneRyles (talk) 20:40, 29 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

TBS comedy specials

With this years 2010 being her 4th or 5th special, could we start a page dedicated to all her specials? Or at least have a larger subsection into this article.--Cooly123 16:56, 8 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Supposed middle name Lee

That supposed middle name does not appear in the TV show's official bio. In fact, the only places it appears are on fansites such as ellendegeneres.info and on places that mirror this Wikipedia article. We cannot claim to give someone's middle name without a reliable source citation such as a public document or her own saying so in a newspaper/magazine/online interview, of which she's done hundreds. If she's never given her middle name in a single one of them, well, then were did this supposed name come from? --Tenebrae (talk) 20:23, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Minor Error

In the intro it should read "...film Finding Nemo, for which she WAS awarded a Saturn Award..." 87.160.140.110 (talk) 14:10, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done - Thanks for the heads up. Siawase (talk) 15:49, 10 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Owyman, 11 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Please change the phrase: "the first and only time a voice acting won a Saturn Award." to "the first and only time a voice acting PERFORMANCE won a Saturn Award.", because it seems to me the original is not proper English grammar.(I have written the newly included word in capitals merely to bring your attention to it, not to imply, of course, it should appear that way should the phrase be amended.) Owyman (talk) 22:38, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Salvio Let's talk 'bout it! 00:11, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ellen was raised a Christian Scientist, but it's wrong to say she is one now.

By verifiable sources, she doesn't seem to believe in an afterlife, either.[6] I don't think living people should be categorized unless there is clear evidence for such assertions. 67.243.7.245 (talk) 01:07, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Ellen DeGeneres Is Against Animal Cruelty … Sometimes Deceiver.com web site, accessed 29 September, 2008.
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