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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Amalthea (talk | contribs) at 16:36, 25 May 2010 (→Re: AWB: let's keep the discussion in one place.). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Streamline?

Hey Amalthea, can the code in my signature be tightened up? If so, could you show me? Thanks! Maedin\talk 12:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Certainly:
  • Original, 164 characters:
    Maedin\talk
  • Tightened, still valid markup (albeit <font> is a deprecated tag), 7 characters shorter:
    Maedin\talk
  • Same visual result, markup by itself is not valid XHTML, but is fixed by HTMLTidy (and I for one consider it perfectly valid MediaWiki markup), 37 characters shorter:
    Maedin\talk
  • Slightly changed colors, 46 characters shorter:
    Maedin\talk
  • Let the skin define most of your colors (makes no diff for me in monobook since I've visited both your pages, but for others it may look different), 80 characters shorter:
    Maedin\talk
Cheers, Amalthea 15:47, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
I chose the one that requires HTMLTidy but "my preferences" won't let me save it because it's "invalid code". Your first suggestion is a winner, then, :) I realised that the colour of "talk" isn't very noticeable without zooming in, btw, so I removed the tags for it altogether. Much slimmer now, thank you! (I wonder why I had mixed <font> with <span style>?!) Maedin\talk 18:21, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Right, I knew that once. Cheers, Amalthea 01:09, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Checkuser question

...Polls are open, how/where do I !vote?! Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 10:59, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Aha! The Man's feeble attempts to deny me my voice have been thwarted! It turns out that !voting is delayed, and that it'll take place at Special:SecurePoll. Apologies for the noise! Cheers, TFOWRThis flag once was red 11:42, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. :) Cheers, Amalthea 01:09, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Twinkle

I think the template you added on twinklewarn had a little bit of an effect on the vandalism template. Like this. But was working fine beforehand. I'm not sure, just thought I'd ask you since you have a bit more knowledge here. Elockid (Talk) 02:17, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto - switching to any block template forces an indef timer. I've had this happen before, but it went away after a few hours so I assumed it was an issue on my side. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 03:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed, feel free to just revert next time. Cheers, Amalthea 08:05, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I apparently used you as a guinea pig, Elockid: I just went through the recent changes of the last eight hours to look for other incorrect notifications, but as it turns out only you were using the changed script yet, all other notifications were fine. Good for me, I guess. :) Cheers, and sorry, Amalthea 08:41, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
You do rock, so ever much. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 11:33, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I feel a bit embarrassed now that there were no other people. But everything's okay. Elockid (Talk) 11:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't, it was my fault, not yours. Cheers, Amalthea 11:57, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
So not. :) Amalthea 11:57, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Vector tab

Hi Amalthea, i have been testing the following [1] which did the trick for me. Note that all scripts have this loading issue on Safari/Chrome. Really somewhat of a mess.. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 15:49, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, right, maybe it was just that. Do you know why webkit browsers need to have morebits fully loaded before it may load the other parts? What exactly is breaking there? But that just gave me another idea, I'll try that before I cave and use your time delay for those two browsers. :) Amalthea 16:15, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Safari and Chrome do async loading of all their javascript, not regarding the order of the definitions that do these DOM inclusions. jQuery uses a similar loading verification technique. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 16:44, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
So even relying on anything defined in wikibits.js (or the page source, even?) is playing with fire?
Anyway, just delaying import of everything with that same hook seems to work robustly, try User:Amalthea/twinkle.js on an article. The hook looks a bit weird, admittedly, but works very well. :) No worse than repeatedly querying status, I'd say.
Only loads three modules, but they appear to be very reliable. Could you try it out, please? If we see no problem I'd really like to bring it live before the 13th. :) Amalthea 16:58, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Actually, it the problems seems to have been a different bug.I've thrown out the delayed loading from User:Amalthea/twinkle.js and it still works reliably for me. Can you reproduce any problems? Amalthea 17:26, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
Tested it some more, and it looked good to me, so I've brought it live. Thursday is a holiday here and I'll probably go offline tomorrow evening for around 24 hours, so I wanted to get a full day of testing until then. Cheers, Amalthea 22:24, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Re: Twinkle, bug 373.

Hi Amalthea. I wonder if you would be kind enough to help me. I know that Twinkle isn't technically or officially supported for Internet Explorer, but it has served me very well up to now. However, it's now not working since the change to the vector skin. I'm wondering if you would be able to help me figure out a workaround to get it back on the go properly please? I've switched back to monobook for the time being at least. Thank you for any help in advance you may be able to provide. Regards, BarkingFish Talk to me | My contributions 01:28, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Vector Skin SUCKS. Curses to whomever made it ;-) — Rlevse • Talk • 01:41, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Don't curse the person who made it, curse the one who approved its use - Jay Walsh from the WMF! BarkingFish Talk to me | My contributions 03:42, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there are some aspects I prefer, and with some heavy tweaking turning it into a Vectobook mixture I find it usable for me; but by and large I agree, it's not an improvement for experienced editors who know monobook in and out and know what's behind all the links. What I really don't get is why they would throw in a couple of extra changes with the go-live that weren't tested, turned out to be buggy, and would of course have benefited from some honing that other parts got through the beta testing. Hmm. Amalthea 20:40, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
BTW, I've switched back to monobook. The more I improved its usability (for me), the more monobookesque it became anyway, and some features/bugs were just too annoying. :\ Amalthea 22:12, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Most probably because the import statements were missing from your Vector skin script file, User:BarkingFish/vector.js. I've added them for Twinkle and Friendly now, please bypass your browser cache and try again before you add more scripts from your Monobook.js: Some of them may be incompatible and can affect other scripts. Twinkle and Friendly were tested with Vector and should work as well on IE as they did with Monobook.
Amalthea 20:40, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
Typical of developers, rush to market with bugs. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:15, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template talk:Talkback

I would like your opinion on a possible change to the template to allow it to remove itself using the "undo" function. Please respond there. PleaseStand (talk) 19:55, 14 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Will do as soon as I catch up with my watchlist. Amalthea 20:43, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Palatschinke, Palatschinken, oder Eierkuchen

Look up Palatschinke in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

OTRS quality queue got an email saying the en.wiki article Palatschinke should be "Palatschinken" and that Palatschinken is both singular and plural. On de.wiki both Palatschinke and Palatschinken redirect to Eierkuchen. Should the en.wiki article indeed be Palatschinken? Or something else? I've eaten these, BTW they're quite good, and just called them "thin pancakes" in English. In this context it seems "schinken" does not mean ham??? Pls advise. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:32, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. "Palatschinken" is certainly used as a singular form, and I've personally never heard it called "Palatschinke" by anyone. However, the de-facto reference for German orthography, the Duden, lists in its online entry:
Pa|lat|schin|ke, die; -, -n <meist Pl.> [ung. palacsinta < rumän. plăcintă < lat. placenta, →Plazenta] ...
Read: Yes, the singular form is Palatschinke, albeit it's mostly used in plural form. Per WP:PLURAL, the current title Palatschinke is preferrable. The confusion most likely roots in the interesting history of the word, it is apparently just a kind of phono-semantic matching of the Czech word palačinka, and has nothing to do with "Schinken" (ham) at all. If one doesn't know that (and I didn't myself, until just now), "Palatschinke" sounds wrong since "Schinken" is both the singular and plural form of the German word for ham.
I'd say you should just respond with that: Give them the link to the Duden, and point out the unexpected etymology.
Cheers, Amalthea 23:10, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Cool. But isn't it way past your bedtime? — Rlevse • Talk • 23:20, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Quite. Luckily I'm on kind of a Flextime. :)
I am still pondering whether the article would be better placed elsewhere. As far as I can tell, Eierkuchen is a far more generic term, with Palatschinken just one variant. Moving it to that generic term would make large parts of the article undue, including the Etymology. I'll bring it up at WT:GER, turns out I know far too little of German cuisine (if you can call it that) outside of my little regional corner.
Amalthea, off to bed :). 23:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Not Afraid

Ok so there's this guy called quasi boy who keeps changing the cover of the Not afraid song by Eminem ONLY and ONLY because he wants to increase his edit count . I asked him to give a reason and he wont reply . Nowhere on the internet is the picture available but a guy on my own website got a hold of it from somewhere and this quasi boy is copying the same file and replacing it with my image . Please correct me if I'm missing on a wikipedia policy here and if there's a way to stop Quasi form doing what he is doing . Asid12345678 (talk) 08:38, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm. QuasyBoy's intention was to have the image live under a more memorable name, which is good, but the clean way would have been through {{Rename media}}. I've moved File:51sa4x27SnL. SL500 AA280 .jpg over File:Eminem - Not Afraid.jpg now, to get rid of the duplicate. Normally, I would have just deleted the file with the cryptic name, i.e. the one you have uploaded. It doesn't really matter who uploaded a non-free image, does it? Amalthea 09:02, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
I know about the {{Rename media}} template, I've used it before and I'll used it again in the future. But like you just said, Amalthea, my intentions were good, I just didn't think that Asid12345678 would make such a big deal about it. QuasyBoy (talk) 14:20, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

RE:

God... this sentence is so biased: "Regarding the Beyoncé signature you linked to, I can at least find a couple of autographs scanned and uploaded by fans that lead me to believe that the one we have is genuine." I don't like that type of editors, pass away from my talk page (I think it is the second time I ask this, and I don't like repeating myself). Vitorvicentevalente (talk) 17:49, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Biased? For whom?
I tried to clear this up in the edit summaries of the affected page. You chose to ignore my call for verification there though, so I initiated a direct discussion with you. Amalthea 17:58, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Is there any place I can report you for harassment? it can only deal that... Vitorvicentevalente (talk) 18:15, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I would strongly recommend that you read WP:HARASSMENT#NOT first to understand that you are in no way being harassed. If you think we are in a dispute, the multi-tierd system to resolve those is laid out at WP:DR.
Remember though that all I'm asking is for you to provide the source of this one autograph you uploaded before I can accept it being used in a content namespace, due to WP:V. I don't see why you find this such an unreasonable request, pt-wiki has pretty much the same policy on verifiability. Amalthea 18:51, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
In pt-wiki don't have users like you, who pursue the other contributors. I'll give you some advice some advice, let your personal preference for Beyoncé and Lady Gaga outside of your "work.". Vitorvicentevalente (talk) 19:16, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure where you got that impression, but I believe I know exactly one song from each of them. I'm as neutral as you can get, although my watchlist quite certainly is biased. But yes, I do check your contributions when I see you on my watchlist since I've learned time and again that you're editing tends to be not quite as neutral. Amalthea 19:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
As you know, you're nobody to tell me where I should edit, in fact I would prefer you to stay away from my contributions, and of course leave that harassment. Besides, this isn't my homewiki, the same I cann't tell in your case. Vitorvicentevalente (talk) 19:45, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not telling you where you should edit, and I'm not harassing you. In fact I can't even remember the last time we interacted directly before two days ago, most Rihanna related articles are off my watchlist. Not quite sure where you see a problem. Amalthea 19:51, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
There should be no article was to coincide with my watchlist... It was a waste of time thinking you were a good user... And my problem is your partiality. Vitorvicentevalente (talk) 19:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Again, use dispute resolution, or WP:ANI if you want to go right to the top. I will not remove articles from my watchlist to avoid us editing the same pages. Amalthea 20:09, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Course you will not, you insist on chasing me... and if I don't do that? You'll block me with the reason: "this user has bothered me and think I'm biased and cann't agree that I like Beyoncé and Lady Gaga"? Please... I hope you reflect on your work and try to improve, at least here it is your homewiki. End of discussion. Vitorvicentevalente (talk) 20:27, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, nothing productive will come out of this discussion, it seems. Amalthea 20:32, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Justar

What kind of relationship did you have with Justar? Your recent discussions remind me of him.—Kww(talk) 20:13, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure this was intended for me? Amalthea 20:16, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Absolutely. JuStar was a fairly aggressive editor from Portuguese Wikipedia that was prone to accusing everyone of bias. I don't remember whether you were one of the targets of that or not.—Kww(talk) 20:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, now I get it, for a second I thought you'd think I was JuStar. :) Just checked, none that I can recall, but me and Vitor go way back. Don't think he is related with JuStar though, he's been on pt.wiki for quite some time, and some other aspects don't match either. Amalthea 20:31, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

For your efforts with the Editnotice system

The da Vinci Barnstar
The da Vinci Barnstar may be awarded to anyone who has enhanced Wikipedia through their technical work (programming and tools, bot building, admin or sysop work, link repair, Mediawiki developers, etc.). For your efforts in standardising and maintaining the editnotice system (initially a disharmonious mess that could easily have snowballed into a logistical nightmare), you get a da Vinci just for yourself. Great work, Amalthea! Regards, AGK 10:08, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but that was no big deal, really. :) Amalthea 11:59, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
I see you all over the place with editnotices. It was well-deserved. Plus what's a little barnstar :P? AGK 12:12, 22 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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