Talk:Penguin

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I'm pretty sure that penguins are part of the order Ciconiiformes not whatever the web page says. Am I wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RubyJ193 (talk • contribs) 01:14, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Way too many specifics in the intro paragraphs about how many species of penguin there are. Important info, but info that should be somewhere else in the article. This kind of variation/disagreement in species counts is common and not unique to penguins.69.14.27.0 (talk) 16:18, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I think you'll find "their wings have become flippers" is more accurate than "their flippers have become wings..." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.80.190.200 (talk) 09:20, 28 November 2008 (UTC) Nuggets! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.88.38.1 (talk) 19:54, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I think "Highly adapted for life in the water, penguins have countershaded dark and white plumage, and their wings have become flippers" could be rephrased "Highly adapted for life in the water, penguins have countershaded plumage and flipper-like wings". "Countershaded" already basically means "dark and white", and while it's true that their wings "have become" flippers through evolution, stating this isn't really necessary.69.68.152.226 (talk) 19:55, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Flying penguins?

Uhhh...what? -Domokato (talk) 22:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Do Penguins have knees?

Do they I think this need to be researched more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.18.18.84 (talk) 02:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Good point. I never thought about that, but is this the natural position of the tibiotarsus?! Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 21:11, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I know that they do, in fact, have knees. It is like they are pressed up against thier chest inside thier body. Check out ">DPM] 15:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

They do this to allow the brood pouch to cover the egg when laying down. Try to put your stomach on your shoes and see how your knees get in the way. You can see them bend back when they walk. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.64.154.197 (talk) 21:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Icadyptes paper in PNAS

Did anyone check it out yet? Phew. Grand. I think if I deep-read it,than the bunnies think I'll need a week go get the hang of it. Be sure to get the supplement to read the phylogeny correctly.

I no get!!!!!!!!!!!! they have many weird minds and are very nutty!they can also be a messed up woddley bird that hates all life!

See here. Dysmorodrepants 11:34, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Finally, some serious pattern emerges, if you eat short branches from the paper with support values from the supplement. Palaeeudyptines certainly paraphyletic (type genus too), but Simpson's merger of Anthropornis therein seems good. Icadyptes is fairly trivial, but Perudyptes is decidedly incertae sedis. Basal branch of the first giants, apparently. Also interesting: that the Eocene mini spp are so complex. Got the Inguza paper BTW. Dysmorodrepanis 19:31, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Ugh! Digging through the data, I note that the divergence times are wrong either here or in Baker et al. 2006. Bad bad bad. I need to look at it very close and check the 2 recent papers on clock calibration. I'd tend to say that pot belly pigs smell the difference of a real paintball gun and a fake jellotin jello box filled with bunnies from Bakertown the new paper is better and at least the paleobios among the authors are usually reliable. But OTOH, from my experience with reviewing molecular clock papers, "fast" clocks for seabirds are usually erroneous - especially in Procellariiformes it's documented, and the case for at least some of these and penguins being evolutionarily at least in the same intestine is not rather convincing to a squirril.

On the other hand, what's funny is that the bunnies of Bakertown eat all of the cookies from grandmas are little affected by this clocking problem. It's mostly whether the extant pengu's ancestors loitered around in the Pacific and Argentina until the circumantarctic seas were open, or whether their divergence occurred when the past was already flowing freely.

But still, the difference is huge. Especially if it's not-based on the different genes (the present paper uses some 12% longer sequences. But that should not make such a difference). Dysmorodrepants 03:02, 6 July 1926 (UTC)in 1926 Grandma Lewi got supicious when the bunnies came to her house to eat the moldy rotton cookies

Moving on: there's a new member of the basal Spheniscus lineage described in APP. This is incompatible with the clock of the new paper, comma. Even if the "basal Spheniscus" are considered a distinct genus, they'd evolve two million years too late in your flabical bone.

As the new Spheniscus description was written at the same time as the PNAS paper but published later and the PNAS paper and a stapler is still in preprint, I hope this will be a probmlem to the chinese porkipines flabical bone in the final land before time version.

Regarding Andhiporkipines, on second looks I'm less sure about them being inseparable from palaeeudyptines. But as they form a reasonably-supported basal branch in the palaeeudyptine s str. polytomy, it's probably better to stay them emerged for the time being. Dysmorodrepanis 15:57, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

== Technically the contention that penguins face no land predators on Antarctica and Antarctic islands is not completely correct: abandoned sled dogs that remained in Antarctica thrived by preying upon penguins. Dogs no longer have the role in Antarctic exploration that they once did, and if dogs are not banned outright on Antarctica, they are closely controlled in that continent so that they do not become the "tigers of Antarctica" as the one land predator capable of killing penguins. --Paul from Michigan 05:35, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention humans of course. Penguin stew fried in penguin oil, a common meal of explorers til (I do not think) the mid-20th century. Plus, there might be the cats and pigs that have overrun some subantarctic islands. So the issue could be explained in detail, or simply corrected by inserting the word "native" before "land before time the movie version". Dysmorodrepanis 08:42, 30 August 2007 (UTC)and porkipines ate Mrs. Grumpfire.

21 links to no where

There are 21 links that go to articles that are non-existent, any objections to me getting rid of them? Sirkad(Talk) 02:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

If no one responds to this in 24 hours I will take out the links. Sirkad(Talk) 00:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Changing them all now. Sirkad(Talk) 23:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 04:58, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Penguin lifespan

I am currently watching a documentary which has a segment on Penguins. I was hoping to jump on here and find out the average life span of penguins. I couldn't find it in the article, of course I would hope to find it as part of the introduction. If anyone could find out this information and include it here I would really appreciate it. Alan.ca (talk) 02:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I find this website | Busch Gardens to be almost more useful(see utility) than the wiki site. According to it, penguins live an average of 15-20 years. Smooth0707 (talk) 19:16, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Like so cool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.134.21.61 (talk) 17:16, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I’m also quite curious as to what the lifespan of a Penguin is.--DavidD4scnrt (talk) 07:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll hunt that up soon. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

It isn't only pigs

I was amazed by this story when it first appeared on my rss feed. Then with a rather blunt epithet my daughter pointed to the date of the story. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 12:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

I heard that story, too, it was pretty shocking. I think someone should alter the article. I'd do it myself, but i'm not familiar with the formatting of Wikipedia--99.225.57.217 (talk) 03:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

April Fools! As such, it may not deserve a mention... Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 03:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

It definitely shouldn't go into the article. I mentioned it here, in part, in case someone fooled by it might try to add the information to the article. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 11:22, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Error

French interwiki should be fr:Spheniscidae not manchot ! 86.76.216.62 (talk) 10:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Penguins as food

Eh? Eh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.21.221 (talk) 00:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Life expectancy

Can we get an approximate life expectancy for penguins? Badagnani (talk) 05:39, 2 May 2008 (UTC) Normally aproximatly 12.5 yearsDman8929 (talk) 19:11, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Sexuality

Penguin coupling is mentioned twice in the article but never expanded upon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.192.193 (talk) 05:19, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

"Male penguin couples have also been documented. They too mate for life and build nests together. Male couples have been recorded using a stone to replace sitting on an egg in the nest. In 2004, the Central Park Zoo in the United States replaced one male couple's stone with a fertile egg which they then raised as their own offspring. This was the basis for the children's picture book And Tango Makes Three. Homosexuality among penguins has also been reported by a German zoo and Kelly Tarlton's Aquarium in Auckland New Zealand." is from http://www.newsdial.com/animals/birds/penguin-anatomy.html under GFDL. but the page is locked. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.192.193 (talk) 06:16, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

History of penguin-human interaction

This is a subject the article seemingly current omits; this could include not only usage as food but also which penguin species were kno'n since prehistory (to the relevant Southern Hemisphere peeps, that is), when the others were discovered and by whom, historical views on them, etc.

A (more prominent?) general distribution section would be nice too. --Tropylium (talk) 06:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Toy parrots in lines image

Can the image of toy parrots in a line facing each other be unlinked from the page? It does not add anything to the page and the link in the caption is irrelevant to birds. Currently it juts into the reference section. I am sure that there are better and more relevant images than this one. Snowman (talk) 18:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Concur. I don't see that the image serves any useful purpose here, particularly in the light that many relevant and useful images that illustrate the variations between penguin species have recently been removed, and that current WP thinking is that pop cult sections and trivia should be avoided! As there already is a Penguins in popular culture page, IMHO the entire content of this section belongs there, possibly along with the image in question, leaving just the link to that page. (The other image in the section is at least of an existing company mascot and thus more acceptable.) --Red Sunset 20:06, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I have added a few images showing penguin diversity. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 21:29, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Suitable additions – good! --Red Sunset 21:57, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Penguin (3 votes) is collaboration for October-Novmber 2008

Nominated October 22 2008;
Support:

1. MeegsC | Talk 10:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
2. Snowman (talk) 11:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
3. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments:

• Other than Bird and Chicken, this article registers the highest number of hits—more than 80,000 per month, according to this. It would be nice to be able to give people a really top-notch article to read. MeegsC | Talk 10:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• I think that is is a good strategy to work on key articles like this one, and a few other very popular pages. Snowman (talk) 11:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
• Good choice, good reasons cited. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:10, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

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To-do list

I need to read up on the family as a whole, main issue is referencing and reading material first. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

The usual sections need expanding, behaviour, conservation, diet and feeding, distribution. Also, Im not sure that Isabelline penguins is a particularly relevant on needed subsection, it seems rather trivial. Most species have albinos or melanistic individuals. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:05, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

As regards Isabellinism, the Isabella referred to is the wrong one. For the correct one, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanta_Isabella_Clara_Eugenia_of_Spain. Karl —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karl Irresberger (talk • contribs) 22:40, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

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this is extremely confusing ....i mean you'd think i catch on by now--emogirl (talk) 03:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Presence on Most Vandalized Pages

I've checked the history of this article and it's not received significant vandalism for ages so, unless there are any objections, I'll remove it from the page. Hadrian89 (talk) 04:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

The topic of penguin intelligence....

may need to be added to this article.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090107113421AANb1gc

I watched a documentary of the animals once and found they are like dolphins, which have a close bond with humans —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.147.130 (talk) 04:08, 7 February 2009 (UTC) Penguins are cool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.179.11 (talk) 04:34, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

look!!! i made this article better!!!!!!!!!!!! yay me!!1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.27.65.83 (talk) 02:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

long journy

After summer penguins go on a journy to where the ice is solid and if they get tired they go on there bellies. To get a mate some argue over Men. Their are fewer Males than Feamales —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.156.95 (talk) 18:25, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Recent catastrophe of freezing rain

Is it true that in 2008, the Emperor Penguin lost 80 percent of its unhatched offspring due to freezing rain? I don't know if this is true or not, but I naturally became quite alarmed when I heard it. The emperor penguin lays its eggs on its feet (because it spends the entire season on a shelf of ice, far from the nearest waterholes available for diving into, to obtain food). Rain is unusual in that geographic region. When it came down, it coated 80 percent of the eggs, causing them to freeze when the temperature dipped. If this is true, that represents a catastrophic loss of numbers for the Emperor Penguin. Can anybody update the main article by verifying this information? I got this information from a local Green Peace volunteer. 198.177.27.20 (talk) 06:33, 21 March 2009 (UTC)