Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cycling

Proposed deletion: Great Ohio Bicycle Adventure

Great Ohio Bicycle Adventure (via WP:PROD on 8 October 2007) Deleted

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 11:55, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

updated --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 06:38, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Medal tables

I've been doing a bit of work on medal tables recently and I noticed how many are incomplete. Many have been started with Olympic medals but don't show medals in world championships. I was wondering just how many medals we should show in these tables. I think there is little argument in including Olympic medals and medals in senior world championships. I think we should include all medals given out with the senior world championships - so that if an event also covers under-23 and junior, these medals should also be included. I would also like to see medals from multi-sport events such as the Pan-American Games, Commonwealth Games and Asian Games—there are however lots of these so maybe there should be a second criteria on them. I'm not so sure, and tend to shy away from, continental championships. I think that national championships should definitely not be included. Severo^TC 19:28, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

I think we should include all world championship medals, olympic medals and medals from multi-sports events. Medals from continental championships & national championships shouldn't be included, but that's just my opinion!! Mango101 17:55, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Alleycats Notability

I am not sure if this topic meets the Wikipedia Notability guidelines. I know that Alleycat races have been the subject of several films. The most popular are Lucas Brunelle's videos, which have several thousand views on youtube. Mr Brunelle's videos have also had large audiences (100s at different screenings), at various Bicycle Film Festivals. Alleycats have been the subject of several dozen media 'life-style' articles. But does this make Alleycats notable? Should the article be deleted?

I would like some help with this. This article needs substantial improvement, but I am not willing to take it further without guidance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buffalo Bill (talk • contribs) 06:10, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Portable bicycle needs your help.

The article Portable bicycle could use some attention from competent editors. Thanks. -- Writtenonsand 18:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Updating

The UCI has already updated the databases of the teams with the riders/staff for most of the teams (17 UCIProTour teams so far). Here is the link. And the cycling website cyclingnews.com recently published the rosters : 2008 Teams Database. I think we should begin updating the teams. Regards.--Drunt (talk) 22:27, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Go for it, just be wary the UCI often gets things wrong (such as identifying William Walker and Robert Gesink as neo-professional riders). Severo^TC 12:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Holy cr**! Team High Road wasn't exactly a piece of cake.--Drunt (talk) 19:21, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Proposed deletion: Merlin (bicycles)

Merlin (bicycles) (via WP:PROD on 3 January 2008)

--User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 06:39, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

UCI Track Cycling World Championships

Hi, I was recently editing the story of Albert Richter, and found that we're missing any record of the world track cycling championships prior to 1958, and its pretty spotty even that far back. I'm going to start fixing this up, and converting the layout to match UCI Track World Championships, Women. For a while I'll be reformatting tables offline, rather than editing the pages, since theres a ton of data, should get something up this weekend. Any comments or suggestions welcome. --Bazzargh (talk) 16:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I was working on this a bit through December. Take a look at UCI Track Cycling World Championships. I've been deprecating the information at UCI Track World Championships, Men because there's a few problems with it, namely how much information is being displayed on that single page. Also, when that page was made, there was no information relating to each event, which we have now started and will definitely be keeping up for the 2008 UCI Track Cycling World Championships. Anyway I've been creating separate pages for each event so the medalists can be properly recorded. This is how far I've got:

And all this just for current events! Anyway, I think there's a lot of work here, so all help is great! Severo^TC 17:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Cool. The UCI archives go back waaay further than those though, and I'm a programmer so its easier for me to massage the data in different ways offline rather than make individual edits; pulling in the corrections people have made to the UCI results here too. As well as the split you have there, I was thinking of generating a (big) page with palmares for each rider, so they can be easily copied into bios, putting this in subpages of my user page to begin with rather than creating hundreds of non-notable stubs. Anyway, talk is cheap; I'll be back with something to look at. --Bazzargh (talk) 22:01, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you found a way into the UCI archives online? I can never find my way around their site, I always get lost somewhere so have to rely upon third party websites! Severo^TC 23:07, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, see the ref on the Albert Richter page. And yes, they are ridiculously hard to find. --Bazzargh (talk) 23:55, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Something I noticed today, up until 1996, the track worlds and the road worlds were always held in the same country. Is there more to this, such as were they held at the same time? Or were they awarded as a package? How did it work? Severo^TC 01:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Flags

Copied from Template talk:Infobox Cyclist—please reply there.

Current fashion is not to have flags in infoboxes. Here, we have a nationality field which typically used a flag, which is being replaced by some editors to just say the country name. This brings up the question as to whether its better to have a nationality field or a place of birth field, or both (for when nationality is not the same as place of birth). Thoughts? Severo^TC 23:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Grand Tours

I've made some substantial edits to the Grand Tours article over the past week or so and I believe it is no longer a stub-class article. Any improvements and comments are welcome. Anurag Garg (talk) 13:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Need help from cycling editors.

What is the proper way to enrich/improve the article at Warm Showers ?

Roger Gravel (talk) 16:09, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

In order to get it off the ground so it's not deleted, you need to provide some reliable third-party sources about it that help to assert its significance. For help after that, take a look at Wikipedia:Article development. Regards, Severo^TC 16:38, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

New templates

There's a few recently created templates you might be interested in.

• {{Infobox Hill climb}}—the infobox for articles about climbs used by cyclists or in cycle racing
• {{Cyclingwebsite}}—provides a standardised link to biography pages at http://www.cyclingwebsite.net

Also, note {{Official}} which, although not a new template, provides a useful standardised way to link to official websites.

Happy editing! Severo^TC 17:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

When I created the {{Infobox Hill climb}} I was thinking about Murs/Walls and hills. For mountain climbs like Passo del Mortirolo and Angliru the {{Infobox Mountain pass}} could be used. The problem is that the last one needs to be improved... And maybe both Murs and big mountains should use the same template? But then the name 'mountain pass' couldn't be used for climbs like Alpe d'Huez (mountain climb instead of mountain pass?). Oh, and thanks for the cyclingwebsite template.--Drunt (talk) 18:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I'm not really sure about what to use for steeper climbs, because those articles usually have information unrelated to cycling so perhaps working on {{Infobox Mountain pass}} is best. I say if no one from the Mountains project wants to help us out (and we have requested their input) then we just go ahead and change it. The other thing about bigger climbs is there is often more than one approach. Regards, Severo^TC 21:31, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Finally got round to making one for each edition of a cycling race (i.e. 2006 Tour of Antartica etc), at {{Infobox Cycling race report}}. I haven't put it into articles yet as I'm not sure about any additional fields or maybe too many already? I also have a couple of ideas on some technical aspects (image sizing and date spans) which I need to do a little bit of work at. Happy editing! Severo^TC 17:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Looks ok. I'm not sure about the Weather one(what about grand tours?). Most stage races also have a classification for teams. Other also have their own competitions like Combination Classification(Vuelta/Dauphine) and Sprints(with or without the Points one). The last time I checked all ProTour races were limited to 4 different jerseys, so with the 'Team competition' we would always have 5 classifications. I think we should include all the competitions with a jersey and the team one(leaving out the 'most combative' and the endless list of Giro d'Italia competitions). Maybe we could also use a black line between 'Winner, Second, Third' and the other jersey competitions(like the one used at the bottom of the 'caption' in {{Infobox Hill climb}}). I hope you understand me!--Drunt (talk) 18:49, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The reasoning for weather was for races like Paris-Roubaix, but as I can't see it being extended to perhaps any other race, then it will probably be best removed. Nice idea about the line to separate the classifications. I was thinking of the extra classifications, but I'm not entirely sure, as the last thing it needs is the countless classifications some races (i.e. the Giro!) have to be added! But Sprints/Metas Volantes and Combination seems fair enough. And I did mean to put teams in first place! Another thing to think about is how to represent riders in those fields. The Formula 1 race report infobox has a nice idea. Flagicon next to the name, then the team name in small (we could change the infobox to have fields of {{{winner}}} and {{{winner_team}}} to facilitate this), like: Tom Boonen Quick Step. A further thing to think about is how well it can be used in other disciplines e.g. cyclo-cross and mountain bike. Anyway that's enough of my rambling for now :) Severo^TC 22:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC) Sorry to keep blabbering on, but I have one more comment. I'm looking at a way to convert the distance from km to miles or vice-versa automatically, so you would type km=131 and the output would be 131 km (81.4 miles). But I'm still looking at how to manipulate {{convert}} for that. Severo^TC 22:27, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you could add the weather category now in the template (and show it on Usage for one-day races). It's not as important as in Formula1 but last year it proved to be decisive in Roubaix... The way you display the rider name and the team looks great but maybe the team name should be aligned to the right. And that black line after the 'Winner, Second, Third' doesn't fit for one-day races. Any idea on how to avoid the line being displayed? Regarding other disciplines I have no idea, probably the template could be used as in one-day races. And I have no idea of how wikipedia code exactly works to answer you about the conversion from miles to km. I think that's all!--Drunt (talk) 21:46, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

I've done the automatic conversion, you just have to enter in a different field that units (e.g. |distance=52 |unit=km gives... 52 km (32 mi)). I have an idea about the line... if you enter "|stages=1", then I think I can make it so that it doesn't show up how many stages (because it doesn't need to), but if you enter that then the line will disappear (but I haven't played around with that yet). There's another option on that to add something after the bar which always shows up. I was thinking of adding a small text line above the photo maybe saying what competition it was part of and perhaps a round number (which matters say in World Cup races), similar to the F1 infobox (e.g. [2007] UCI ProTour). With the weather, does it matter for any other race? Maybe condition would be more appropriate? I'm not sure about it! In Roubaix, the weather should be generally noted in the lead (I'm not saying it is, but ideally...). Severo^TC 01:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I've implemented all of the above, entering |stages=1 makes the line disappear. I think it's just about there, maybe a few cosmetic things to play with. Severo^TC 12:18, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Tarck bike

There is a deletion discussion on the article Tarck bike at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tarck bike. Please weigh in there if this is a real topic that deserves its own article or at least explain what this topic is so that others can decide if it should have an article. Thank you! Royalbroil 13:51, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Sheldon Brown

For those of you who haven't heard yet, Sheldon Brown died yesterday. The layout of Portal:Cycling doesn't seem to have a news section, so I'm not sure where else to put it. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 21:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

5000 benchmark

Looks like we are 1 article short of reaching the benchmark of 5000 articles for this project! (Wikipedia:WikiProject Cycling/Assessment) Unfortunately we have an important lack of quality articles! Regards--Drunt (talk) 00:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Latest count puts it at 5018, with another 750 or so non-article pages (i.e. templates, categories and so on). Severo^TC 01:46, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Categories

The categories for 'year in cycling' are named 'year in cycle racing'. Shouldn't it just be 'cycling' instead of 'cycle racing'?--Jeff79 (talk) 06:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Unless I am mistaken, the categories refer specifically to cycling racing and not cycling in general. So the naming is correct. Will.law (talk) 09:47, 1 March 2008 (UTC)