Talk:Superboy-Prime

Main image?

Does anyone think the picture from the end of IC #5 is better than the Lee cover for the main SHB image?--DrBat 18:38, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

i don't really mind which one, as long as their both somewhere in the article. they're both pretty sweet.--Exvicious 19:09, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Question about Superboy-Prime, Infinite Crisis and the Phantom Zone (5/23/2006).

I recently picked up all 7 issues of Infinite Crisis. I read on this Wikipedia article that Speedy trapped Superboy-Prime in the Phantom Zone using an arrow. Where might that be, cause I don't see it anywhere in these 7 issues (unless I passed it over completely)?

• That'd be over in Teen Titans Annual, actually. The brawl with Superboy-Prime is extended over there, just as Nightwing and Superboy's heading to the tower is explained in Teen Titans.--DoctorWorm7 10:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually it was in Teen Titans #32, p14 (not including ad pages). CovenantD 18:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Original poster: Ah, thanks guys.

Is he super-intelligent?

He's naieve, but the only evidence (and it's compelling) of above average smarts is the power suit. And how long did it take him to build that I wonder? -- Ipstenu 18:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

he seems dumb as hell to me. i just thought he's an idiot savant. personally, i think he just claims to have made it -Exvicious 18:45, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Being a naive teenager and being stupid aren't the same thing. King Zeal 21:07, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I'm just saying this is the impression he makes (to me), and apparently Pantha (RIP). But it probably also has a lot to do with his crazy. Exvicious 04:00, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Superboy-Prime should have super-intelligence, as did the original versions of Superman. However, his growing insanity and lack of experience of the real world outside of his paradise reality made him seem to be something of a total nutter. - Sh@z@m

Alliance Color

Dunno about you guys, but this s-prime kid seems pretty evil to me. - Neodammerung 03:33, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. grey means neutral, no? after #4, i would say he's neutral (showed remorse), but in #6 it looks like the kid is taking crazy pills. Exvicious 04:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. Also, remember what Dan Didio said: "This is the moment where Superboy-Prime crosses the point of no return and becomes the greatest threat the universe will ever know" about his battle with the titans, when he kills pantha and the others. And Alex in IC #6: "Somehow you have changed at your very core, superboy". Now he is willing to do everything to bring back earth-prime. - Neodammerung 21:02, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

He's young and severely mentally ill. His entire world was destroyed, and he was manipulated by Alex. If Deathstroke, a cold-blooded assasin who manipulates his daughter and tries killing his son, is neutral, then he is too. --DrBat 17:36, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Why is Deathstroke neutral? He's a member of the Secret Society of Super-Villians Exvicious 22:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I know, and he's not now anyway. My point was, I found it hypocritical that he was neutral, while Prime was a villain. --DrBat 00:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

The Joker is mentally ill. Moreso than Superbaby. It does not change the fact that he is a villain. ' ^{(Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!)} 22:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

The Joker is purely psychotic. Superboy was severely traumatized by the loss of his world, and he was manipulated by Luthor. Just check out the section Geoff Johns and Dan Didio on Superboy-Prime.--DrBat 01:40, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, Dan says he's the greatest threat, ever. Sounds evil. CovenantD 01:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

...And? The Joker was traumaized by the death of his wife and unborn child and his terrible life. It doesn't change the fact that the stories have him doing evil acts in opposition to the heroes. That is the definition of a villain; their mental profile plays no part in this. ' ^{(Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!)} 03:17, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

"Superboy is a teenager raised in isolation, with raging hormones, a huge chip on his shoulder and the powers of a god. He never learned how to keep his powers or emotions in check, so when confronted, the situation escalated and he had no idea on how to defuse it. Think of a situation where you, as a teenager, lost your temper. Now imagine you have the power to crush a planet. Do you think that situation would have ended differently?" And I don't think it's original research to say he did what he did in the first battle with the Teen Titans because he didn't know the full extent of his powers, or that what he did left him traumatized. When he knocked off Pantha's head, he started crying and saying he didn't mean to, ect. Then he was freaking out, screaming that they were ruining him. He was obviously unstable.

Even if we're going to argue about whether he should have the villain tag, I don't think there's any question as to whether or not he's mentally ill. He's obviously mentally ill, and should have the Fictional characters with mental illness category.

And as for the Joker; the difference is that despite all he's done, he was trying to bring back his world and his family. The Joker is just utterly crazy, and he's never shown remorse whatsoever. He enjoys killing for the sake of killing. --DrBat 20:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

You are talking about SP before returning from the speed force. He doesn't show remorse anymore - Neodammerung 21:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, yes, but that's because they had the discussion before he came back. We should take this to the new discussion below. --Chris Griswold 00:59, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Pix for Superboy vs Superboy Rounds 1 & 2?

Come on guys. no one has any pics of both fights? you're really dropping the ball here. (yes i'm aware i haven't posted any pics either, but help a brother out.) Exvicious 04:05, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Can't help you there, but I can give you pictures of Superboy fighting Earth-One Superboy. --Chris Griswold 15:12, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Resistance to magic

In Infinite Crisis #7, he resisted the sword attack of Zauriel. Is his sword considered magical? If so, this would be instance #2 of invulnerability to magic (#1 was shrugging off Black Adam's lightning encapsulated fists)

Yeah, but remember that he was wearing his power-suit back then, so it shouldn't be listed in Notable powers (SHB). - Neodammerung 21:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Superman or Superman supporting characters?

I think this article does not belong in the supporting characters category for the following reasons. 1) His only notable appearance as a "supporting character" was in DC Comics Presents 20 years ago. 2) After Infinite Crisis, he is best known as a major character in his own right, not in a supporting role. 3) He is an alternate version of the character of Kal-El, and should be listed as prominently as Kal-L. CovenantD 16:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

His first appearance had him as a supporting character. That should weight pretty heavily. Regardless, I don't consider the Superman category to be for characters, rather for concepts relating to the Superman mythos and associated topics that don't fit in a subcategory. Superboy being in the category is just fine. ' ^{(Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!)} 19:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Hawkman's reality Prime-punched?

The article includes "Hawkman's many reincarnations" as one of the results of Superboy-Prime's punches. I don't recall this being listed anywhere. Is that bit for real? --Joe Sewell 20:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, Hawkman was seen in the shards. Knowing his horrifically convoluted history, it's entirely possible that they're going to somehow streamline his history. As Gentleman Ghost, a Hawkman adversary, is also affected by the changes, it stands to reason that Hawkman will also get tweaked.--DoctorWorm7 04:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

"too many pics, rm some"

There are not too many pics. Please stop removing them. --DrBat 16:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree that there are too many pics. I've removed the ones that add nothing substantial to the article (two covers from the same series). CovenantD 16:50, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Then can we have the Jimenez art for the main image, as opposed to Lee's? --DrBat 21:32, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm fine with that - I like the Jimenez pose better anyway CovenantD 21:41, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Blog links

I'm with Apostrophe. The blog links really don't add anything. Leave 'em out, or you may run into WP:3RR trouble. --Joe Sewell 16:43, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

indeed. those links didn't even work when i tried it. --Exvicious 04:25, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Cropped image of Prime

I think the problem with the cropped version is that Prime's black hair blends into the background, so it's difficult to know where to crop it. As a result, pieces of his hair looked a little sharp/bumpy, imo. Also, the image itself cropped off pieces of his body, so it looks weird without the background. --DrBat 21:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Here comes another image revert war. --Chris Griswold 14:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Seeing as how Lesfer has been polite to me in the past, and how I don't want to cause another revert war, I'm not going to revert it. I did ask Lesfer to discuss it with me on the talk page, though. --DrBat 21:31, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

No need to worry, Griswold, we ain't gonna have an edit war in here.
Hey, DrBat. I just think the pic is fine this way, cropped. That text in the original background is pretty ugly. If this cropped pic is really bothering you, feel free to change it back. Cheers! —Lesfer ^(talk/@) 22:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Is it possible that the image could me modified to make the background black, instead of white? --DrBat 00:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Craving flesh

craving on his flesh a blooded symbol of super power is priceless — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.228.71.19 (talk • contribs) 11:58, June 15, 2006 (UTC)

Too true, friend. Too true. --Chris Griswold 16:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

How would he do that if he no longer has super powers?

Are zombies considered to have superpowers? I guess they have regeneration.--Chris Griswold

Won't the carving disappear with his next exposure to yellow sunlight?Jbk 19:53, 16 March 2007 (UTC) (☎☓) 23:02, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Detective Comics #820

In Detective Comics #820, as Batman and Robin are fighting The Scarecrow, Robin says to the Superboy-Prime illusion "You're dead, I'm not."; any idea if this was simply an oversight on the editor's part, or if Superboy-Prime died at some point between IC #7 and the OYL event? Dlong 03:10, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

He didn't die, and DC Editorial has said that he will continue to exist. With as deliberate as Robinson and the Batman titles are being at clearly mentioning parts of continuity that remain, I highly doubt it is accidental. It appears that some characters do not know that S-P is still alive. --Chris Griswold 07:27, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm with chris. if that is an oversight, the writer is the dumbest man alive, and he has the worse editor ever. within the story, there's two explanations i can think of

• Batman told Robin Superboy-Prime was dead. (Although Batman wouldn't really know either because he wasn't there.)
• Robin naturally assumed they wouldn't let a super-powerful homicidal maniac live.

(personally, i think if he was powerless on Mogo, Gardner would've executed his sorry ass.)

Is Superboy-Prime a psychopath?

This is the Hare psychopath checklist. Each item is graded on a 3 point scale. 0 is absent, 1 is partially present, 3 is present.

1. Glibness/superficial charm - 1
2. Grandiose sense of self-worth - 2: wants to be Superman; "you know what i can do in that yellow sun"
3. Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - 2: carving Superman symbol into chest
4. Pathological lying - 1
5. Conning/manipulative - 1: "We're going to make Earth-Prime the perfect Earth!"
6. Lack of remorse or guilt - 2
7. Shallow affect - 1
8. Callous/lack of empathy - 2
9. Parasitic lifestyle - 1
10. Poor behavioral controls - 2
11. Promiscuous sexual behavior - 0
12. Early behavioral problems - 1
13. Lack of realistic, long-term goals - 2: He tried to destroy the universe by flying through Oa by taking on every hero in the DC universe.
14. Impulsivity - 2: the destroy the universe thing was kind of impulsive.
15. Irresponsibility - 2
16. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - 2: "Stop making me! You're making me like you!"
17. Many short-term marital relationships - 0
18. Juvenile delinquency - 2
19. Revocation of conditional release - 1
20. Criminal versatility - 1

He's close with 28. According to the article 30-40 strongly supports psychotic behavior. The average population is 5. Of course, these ratings are my opinion, anyone else have one? -- Exvicious 18:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I've been using the Hervey M. Cleckley list found in the psychopathy article and ruling him out on the intelligence issue. I'd disagree with some of your rankings above (1, 9, 12, 18), but not enough to really matter. Still wouldn't bring him anywhere near the average. I'm still not convinced that he meets the criteria though. CovenantD 18:52, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I might take 1 to 0. 9 is kind of by default, since he's never had to live on his own, and the multiverse plan was Alex's at first and he just followed along. For early behavior problems, i'm citing his obsession with the past with him watching his birthday over and over again. Early is a relative term. And I'm not sure what i was thinking with 19. While he *is* mentally ill, he doesn't fit all criteria for a psychopath. -- Exvicious 19:35, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Hero/Villain/Neutral

The SHB was changed today to say that Superboy-Prime is neutral rather than a villain. As far as I understand, the character is a villain. Maybe I don't understand the point of the color bar there. --Chris Griswold 00:05, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

We had this conversation 4 months ago. Exvicious 10:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

So why is it being changed four months later? --Chris Griswold 10:31, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

As Neodammerung has pointed out, that conversation is dated and does not take into account what the character is like once he returns from Speed Town. --Chris Griswold 01:01, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Read the conversation again. I specifically mentioned #4 and #6, not to mention the conversations after the release of #5 (his return). Exvicious 04:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Oh. Nevertheless, he's definitely a villain; the creators themselves have even gone on record as saying that he is. I'm not sure why someone might call him neutral when his favorite hobby is fucking people up.--Chris Griswold 04:38, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

i agree. i think the geoff johns description is pretty accurate. instead of fessing up when he initially killed pantha, he kept fighting instead of just flying away. instead of taking responsibility, he blamed everyone else and lost his chance at redemption. and, of course, when he came back he attempted to kill the universe without a second thought.

also at the san diego comic con, dan didio said something along the lines of "we created a powerful super villian and it would be a shame not to use him.

it looks like User:DrBat is the one who changed it back to gray. i'll ask him to post his reasoning on the matter. Exvicious 03:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Because he's a child and he doesn't know any better. There's a reason why we don't execute children and just send them to juvie-hall. He was trying to bring back his world and his family (what would you do if you world was replaced with a darker version where you never existed and your girlfriend and parents got killed? would you try to replace it back with your own world?), and Luthor was manipulating him and playing on his emotions. I don't know; I just felt sorry for this guy.

Geoff Johns said "I said to Dan I think Prime does it by accident and is horrified. That panel where’s he’s looking at his hands and goes ‘I didn’t mean to do it,’ that for me is the entire story for Superboy Prime."

Furthermore, usually when heroes become villains, even if as villains they're really evil (ie Maxwell Lord), they still get a neutral status on their SHB box due to their time as a hero. That was my understanding, anyway. --DrBat 03:45, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Can you please point me to the discussion where you learned that? Thanks. --Chris Griswold 05:54, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't stated; I just assumed that was the case, due to characters like Maxwell Lord and other 'heroes turned villains' having a neutral status. --DrBat 19:44, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

You're thinking of cases like Freedom Beast, dude. One case of villainy or mindcontrol doesn't erase years of heroics, sure. However, it's not the status quo and we're not talking about the scandalous dabacle that was Maxwell Lord's role in Infinite Crisis. We're talking about someone who makes Darth Vader look like Batman. This was progressive, thorough and as far as we know, permanent. The guy carved a bloody kryptonian hope symbol into his chest whilst drooling like a stereotypical lune. Further, you yourself said the change was motivated by pity. You gotta understand, though, dude. This isn't The Punisher; This isn't Jason Todd. This is a villain and we color them violet. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 22:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

That was almost poetic. --Chris Griswold 01:45, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, Chris. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 02:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Psychopaths?

1. #Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking.

Nope.

2. Absence of nervousness or neurotic manifestations.

Nope.

3. Unreliability.

Eh. He was reliable to Luthor for a while, and only turned on him at the end.

4. Untruthfulness and insincerity.

Nope.

5. Lack of remorse or shame.

Nope.

6. Antisocial behavior without apparent compunction.

Debatable.

7. Poor judgement and failure to learn from experience.

Fine.

8. Pathological egocentricity and incapacity to love.

Nope.

9. General poverty in major affective reactions.

Nope.

10. Specific loss of insight.

Nope.

11. Unresponsiveness in general interpersonal relations.

Nope.

12. Fantastic and uninviting behavior with drink, and sometimes without.

Nope.

13. Suicide threats rarely carried out.

Nope.

14. Sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated.

Nope.

15. Failure to follow any life plan.

Nope.

He only covers a few of these qualities, which can either be chalked up to the traumas he experienced, or being an immature child ("Poor judgement and failure to learn from experience", the only thing that really applies to him). --DrBat 22:48, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

You do not have to meet all these qualities to be a Psychopath. As others have pointed out, he is far above the Average. He stopped being an immature child and become a psychopath with he killed those 32 Green Lanterns and Kal-L. T-1000 22:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

He's an immature child with the powers of a god. 'Killer' and 'psychopath' are not interchangable; you can be one without being the other. --DrBat 00:04, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

If he killed those 32 Green Lanterns by accident, then he is a immature child. However, he knew what he was capable of, but he killed the Lanterns anyway. He was an immature child in the beginning, but towards the end, he become outright evil. He knew exactly what he was doing when he killed those people. T-1000 01:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Again, killing people (intentional or not) does not make one a psychopath. It may make them a horrible person, but not every murderer is a psychopath. As Didio said, "Think of a situation where you, as a teenager, lost your temper. Now imagine you have the power to crush a planet. Do you think that situation would have ended differently?"

Again, he meets little to none of the criteria for the 'fictional psychopaths' category. --DrBat 02:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

I disagree with #1. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 05:00, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Is it really irrational to want to replace a darker, more corrupt world where your family and girlfriend was killed and you never existed back with your own world? He may be irrational in thinking that destroying OA will restart the Universe, but he is just a kid. --DrBat 12:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Not that #1. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 18:48, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, I guess replying to all the qualifications screwed up the numbering. :o

What are you referring to? Was that a sarcastic way of saying you disagree and thinks he meets all the qualities listed?--DrBat 00:34, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

My thoughts: #2: He acts decisively, even when upset; he's never sad about what he's done; #3: As you say, he turned on Luthor, and this is after sneaking around behind Kal-L's back; #4: As soon as he had done something wrong - knock of Pantha's head - he made excuses and lied about it; #5: Again, he does not feel bad about the things he does, including killing Kal-L; #6: "Antisocial" - His whole goal is to destroy a society he does not agree with; #7. You even agree that he refuses to learn from his experience and has poor judgment; #8: He is eager to destroy an entire universe to have one based on his wants - that's pretty much the definition of egocentric; #10: The more actions he takes, the more confused he becomes, and yet he continues on his course of destruction; #14: He has no sex life whatsoever; #15: Failure to follow any life plan - he is content to follow the paths of Kal-El, Kal-L, and Alexander Luthor. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 03:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

3:Superboy didn't really turn on Luthor as much as he stopped working with him. 4: How is saying "I didn't mean to" lying about it? He didn't know the full extent of his powers, and he was obviously traumatized by what he had done, going into denial mode. [1] (Did you ever watch the animated Gargoyles series, btw?) 5: I don't know. All of his justifications seem to me like he's trying to justify what he's doing to himself. And Bart Allen's first line of dialogue in IC #7, after Superboy says he doesn't want the new earth, is how he doesn't want it because of all the guilt attached to it. 6: His goal is to replace a darker, corrupt world back with his own world, where his family and friends are still alive. 7:Yes, which is common with a lot of children. 8:He wants his family back. If your entire world was destroyed and replaced with a darker version in which you never existed and your parents and girlfriend were killed, would you want your old one back? #14: He had a girlfriend on his old world. And there was no one else for him to have a relationship with afterwards. 15: Yes, he's a child willing to follow adults. And you could say the same thing about Bart Allen, concerning the previous Flashes. --DrBat 22:25, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Geoff Johns: Prime is not psychotic

"[Superboy Prime] is not going to be one-note either – he’s not a psychotic, murdering character. He has his episodes, but he’s much more complex than that."

--Geoff Johns

--Exvicious 00:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I think you will find that is, in fact, Geoff Johns from Earth-Two and cannot be quoted in a Wikipedia from this Earth because we don't know if the conditions are the same between Earths. --Chris Griswold (☎☓) 06:37, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm all for citable information of writers clarifying their story intentions, but c'mon Johns, he carved an S into his chest while drooling maliciously. WesleyDodds 09:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm not seeking to support either side of the argument, but I think it should be noted that being psychotic is not the same as being psychopathic.

• "Similarly, it should be distinguished from psychopathy, a personality disorder often associated with violence, lack of empathy and socially manipulative behavior. " (Taken from the entry for psychosis.)King Zeal 13:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

The kid doesn't qualify for either. "Psychopathy," an outdated name for antisocial personality disorder, runs much deeper than that. He has too many emotional attachments to people of Earth-Prime to qualify. He lacks empathy for the people of the current universe because he doesn't feel they're exactly real, he feels that they're perversions of the true people and he can save them all by restoring what he considers the real universe.

And as for the S carving thing, do you know how many people with tattoos, cuttings, or various ritual scarrings do not qualify as psychotic? Psychotic means the person is truly out of touch with reality. Does he hallucinate? No. Does he thinks he's a fish? No. Does he mutter incoherently? No. I could go on and on about why he is not psychotic and why he is not a "psychopath." I've taught Abnormal Psychology more than sixty times. Yes, he's a mess. He has a distorted view of reality but not a full-fledged break from reality. Doczilla 05:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I confess, I'm not the expert you claim to be, but aren't all the symptoms you just listed actually attributed to psychosis rather than APD? King Zeal 20:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that's actually what I was saying. The first part of what I wrote addressed "psychopathy" and the latter part addressed the issue of psychosis. Doczilla 20:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Immunity to Red Solar Radiation

I don't know if anyone remembers this, but when Superboy-Prime was first introduced, I remember that it was clearly stated that he was immune to Red Solar Radiation. This causes no end of continuity problems for Infinite Crisis, because not only would the final depowering flight through Rao not work on Superboy-Prime, the imprisonment in the Red Sun-Eater wouldn't either.

I can't seem to find where this immunity was first revealed, though. Someone want to confirm this? ~Scion, LSCM webmaster

It's in DC Comics Presents #87 (Superboy-Prime's first appearance). The idea I'm hearing is that while the Red Solar Radiation doesn't directly affect him, he loses his powers because he's not getting any Yellow Solar Radiation, implying that he doesn't have the type of reserves that the Modern Superman talked about having prior to his original fight against Doomsday. (See The Death of Superman TPB). Dlong 18:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Hmm. It just seems to me that if that's the case, our Superman would be the one with the Red Solar Radiation immunity. Think about it. If you're immune to something, your body has a reserve to fight it. Red Solar Radiation doesn't strip Kryptonians of their powers (except in the Donner films), it just forces them to use their reserves. So Modern Superman's reserves act like an immunity. If Superboy-Prime doesn't have reserves of Yellow Solar Radiation, that would actually make him more susceptible to the Red.

Is that what DC Comics #87 said about Superboy-Prime? That he gets more affected by Red Solar Radiation? Or is he supposed to be immune? ~Scion, LSCM webmaster —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.1.51.146 (talk) 18:30, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

The way I understand it, is in the presence of a yellow sun his power levels are that of pre-Crisis Superman. He still had powers but he was significantly weaker in the "paradise dimension" and he had to combine his powers with Alex Luthor to break out.

I don't think he is able to "store" yellow sunlight, otherwise there would be no point in his anti monitor suit. I think the suit just guarantees him yellow sun if he's ever away from the sun, for example when the Flashes trapped him under red sunlight.

After going through the red sun, Superboy-Prime lost his suit, and there was no yellow sun present.

And how does Superman's immunity tie into him losing his powers for a year?--EXV // + @ 19:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

No, that's not quite what I was asking. I'm trying to figure out whether Johns introduced a major plot discrepancy into Infinite Crisis or not. If Superboy-Prime was immune to Red Solar Radiation when he was introduced in DC Comics #87, then flying him through Rao and imprisoning him in a Red Sun-Eater in Infinite Crisis wouldn't work. Superboy-Prime would have no known weaknesses in this universe, if that is the case.

The person above explained it by saying that Superboy-Prime just doesn't have reserves of yellow sunlight like Modern Superman does, which doesn't make any sense to me because if you have reserves, then you're immune. So Modern Superman would be immune, but... and this is the kicker... this is exactly the opposite of the way things were presented in DC Comics #87. In that comic, Modern Superman's susceptible to Red Solar Radiation and Superboy-Prime isn't. So the explanation doesn't work.

My question is this: how is it possible for a Kryptonian to be immune to Red Solar Radiation and yet get depowered when in the presence of a Red Sun? How is it possible to imprison a Kryptonian with an immunity to Red Solar Radiation in a Red Sun-Eater? ~Scion, LSCM webmaster —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.1.50.186 (talk) 02:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC).

Okay, I'm a little late to the party, but I think I might be able to explain this. Superboy Prime is immune to Red Solar radiation. That being said, he got his powers shortly before the Crisis on Infinite Earths, and thus did not have time to build up reserves, hence the armor. Flying him through the red sun damaged the armor (as it would pretty much any material) thus cutting off his supply of solar energy. Thus his powers were depleted, not by the radiation from the red sun but by its destruction of his power source. That being said, apparently the red radiation negates Superman's abilities to use his powers. I don't know if it instantly dissapates his reserves or what, but it happens. Personally, I agree that it should just force him to use his reserves, but all evidence points to it stopping his powers and possibly cutting off or dispersing his reserves.ArchangelX777 18:56, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

This discussion is reaching the point of becoming a forum topic instead of talk about the article itself. Doczilla 05:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

To Superboy-Prime, a red sun is the same as no sun at all, except for the fact that it's a huge ball of flame (which is why he lost his powers going through the Red Sun... he used up all of his energy staying alive). He is immune to red sun radiation, in that it doesnt DO anything to him. Having reserves doesnt make you 'immune to red sun radiation' it just means that you're okay for a while outside of YELLOW sun radiation. Superboy Prime could have been pushed through a giant ball of acid for all it mattered. Webrunner 15:29, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

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Similarities to Moore's Kid Marvelman/Miracleman

Would it be appropriate to include a small section on the similarities between Superboy-Prime and Kid Marvelman? There are strong similarities that make for interesting comparative reading.— Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexDante (talk • contribs)

No. It would be Original Research and unverified claims. You can't start comparing characters like that. Otherwise, you could compare Prime to every character from Capt. Marvel Jr. to Agent Smith. King Zeal 14:32, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Ditto to what King Zeal said. Doczilla 16:42, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Imprisoned for a year?

Hasn't he been imprisoned for longer than a year? He was imprisoned for all of 52 (one year), plus however much time it's been since OYL started (do we even know how much time that's been, in-universe, now that I think of it?) Webrunner 15:24, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Why DOESN'T Supes Prime have a Yellow Ring??

Anybody know why??

Or was there a shot of Supes Prime where he DID have a Yellow Ring and I just missed it??

First off sign comments. Second off it has yet to be explained but imo its because he doesnt need one.Wrestlinglover420 03:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)