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BGerdemann (WMF) (talk) 19:22, 23 October 2024 (UTC) [reply]

Hello. Thank you for addressing the copyvio request at Tomoyuki Yamashita. The issue is not that our article reproduced the full text of Yamashita's "Last Will" from 1946; but that our article reproduced the full text of Yuki Tanaka's English translation, published 2005; which has its own copyright. Rotary Engine talk 18:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Rotary Engine are you sure the translation is Tanaka's? Nthep (talk) 18:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Revdel

You declined a revdel of Draft:Barney's World. Even if the current revison is attributing the source, the previous versions are not. They need to be deleted. Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 08:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Copy Vio at Hee Oh

Hey @Nthep

I have seen you recently rev deleted a copy vio from Hee Oh. While patrolling through RecentChanges, I found this edit by the same IP, with my usual routine, I rolled it back using Twinkle and warned the user of unsourced content. Later realized that it was the same copy vio content added by the same IP. Now I cannot add it back with a rev del request, neither can I report it anywhere, that is why I kindly request you to rev del my rollback, and the IPs copy vio.

Thanks! Bunnypranav (talk) 16:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bunnypranav Done. You don't need to add it back to add a revdel request, in fact adding it back is the last thing we want. Nthep (talk) 16:39, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is why I chose to drop you a message. Thanks for that. Bunnypranav (talk) 16:47, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bunnypranav (talk page watcher) Forgive the unsolicited advice, but there's a user script, which I'll link here, that you can use to request rev-deletion in this situation without adding it back. In fact, removing the copyright violation is an important part of the process, so thanks for doing that! I dream of horses (Hoofprints) (Neigh at me) 17:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thx, I was just in the middle of adding a reply to the same link. Nthep (talk) 17:22, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@I dream of horses No need to forgive, and thanks for the advice. After all, we are all here to improve the wiki. Bunnypranav (talk) 04:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please take a look at Interpipe Group

There have been a series of editors on Interpipe Group engaging in serious copyright violations, POV pushing, adding material with no sources, adding material sourced back to the subject, etc. The problem is on-going. I am just a volunteer and have no idea how to deal with this. I also don’t have that much time Thanks. 2600:100F:A110:CF2C:89F7:79CC:32F8:C25F (talk) 15:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The IP user is manipulating and falsely accusing me of things I haven't done. That's easy to check.
The claim about "adding material with no sources" is untrue. I added four independent sources to the edits. However, the IP user removed the lines that were sourced from the Interfax agency, labeling this action as the deletion of the Forbes material with adding a link that had no connection to the actual edits.
The IP user spent a lot of time attacking my edits and reverting the article without trying to offer any suggestions.
So the only point I agree with the user is that your attention to edits is needed. Artpine98 (talk) 16:09, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article has issues similar to many articles about companies in that it doesn't really explain why it's notable. There are, in my opinion, too churnalism references. The references to constructionweekly.com are just quoting what Interpipe has announced without any apparent attempt at independent verification. mining-technology.com starts off ok then turns into directly quoting of Interpipe material "our ..." gets used repeatedly so you have to wonder how much of the rest is an objective assessment or a repeated press release. The history looks ok until we get to the last 10-15 years. Then I look at some of the statements and say "so what?" For example, "Interpipe Steel Mill melted its millionth ton of steel, just 15 months after the launch of the facility" Is there anything to compare this with? Is this achievement good, bad or indifferent? If there are independent sources that not only verify the statement but also put it into context then it's that level of quality that's needed.
I think writing about existing companies is a really hard area to edit in, so the advice I'd offer is look for quality over quantity. Fewer statements with good sourcing are going to produce a better article, than numerous non-contextualised statements with less good sourcing. If you can't find an independent reliable source for a statement then just don't put it in.
Please don't be discouraged by what I've written, we've all been there when we first started editing. Putting almost anything in, because we think it's an improvement, when actually it isn't. Take a step back, think about what you're going to add and consider, is it adding anything to the readers understanding of Interpipe? If the answer is no, then don't. Nthep (talk) 21:23, 29 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your review and advice. All my last updates were exclusively based on reliable sources like Reuters or Bloomberg. I've been more precise about information double-checking and avoiding press releases or company promos.
Additionally, I've checked the lines you mentioned. They were added a couple of years ago by other editors.
Thanks once again. I will follow your advice by further contributing. Artpine98 (talk) 10:03, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that all the churnalism in the article was down to you. I was commenting on the article as a whole. Apologies for not making this clear. Nthep (talk) 10:20, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I understand that.
Unfortunately, there are new issues with the IP users again. Don't know if this is the same person commented here or the new one. They just delete lines and put false claims in descriptions. So I assume they are strongly motivated to keep anybody from adding to the article. This behavior is specific to IP accounts only.
What do you do in such cases? Artpine98 (talk) 17:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
They have different views to you about what is relevant content (veracity isn't the issue). That's an entirely valid point of view. What isn't acceptable behaviour is an edit warring, even a fairly slow burning one, like this. The onus on establishing relevance falls on those who wish to include the material. So, before there are repeated removalue of content, there should be more discussions on the talk page explaining why the content is relevant as often edit summaries are not enough. Nthep (talk) 09:25, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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BGerdemann (WMF) (talk) 00:18, 13 November 2024 (UTC) [reply]

How to rename Wikipedia page without account?

Hello Nthep! Could you please help an anonymous Wikipedia user? Last week, Norwegian Wikipedia user Ranværing has created this page:

Draft:The_train_accident_between_Bjerka_and_Finneidfjord_in_2024

There is a list of train accidents, but the naming convention seems to be that the year should always come in front. This is why I tried to request to rename the article to 2024 train derailment at Finneidfjord, but I made a mess, because I never took the time to learn how Wikipedia is working inside and outside.

I usually try to stay away from Wikipedia, because editing tends to be time consuming, but I am very curious, so I use Wikipedia a lot and I am not shy to make corrections when I come across obvious errors. I have added tons of references manually, but my efforts to edit in good faith were often met with hostile reactions (...).

It can also happen that I get carried away on one subject that I found in the news. I edit Wikipedia in all the languages I know, but Welsh is not one of them. I do read Norwegian and I know exactly where the train crash has happened: The train was much closer to Finneidfjord, than to Bjerka, hence my renaming proposal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rail_accidents_(2020%E2%80%93present)#2024

So you have deleted the mess I made, but who can please rename that page about the train accident at Finneidfjord, to fit naming conventions?

Thanks a lot in advance! (No, I will not register an account...) 82.173.160.29 (talk) 16:54, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I've commented on the page, it's currently a draft, if it gets accepted as an article, the title can be sorted out then. There's no point moving it at the moment. Nthep (talk) 17:08, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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