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Tubi documentary

It needs to be added that on April 28, 2024, Tubi released a documentary with interviews from people such as Aubrey O'Day of Danity Kane, titled "TMZ Presents: The Downfall of Diddy". 2600:6C64:7B7F:9FD6:B9B2:8439:ECEF:F3F0 (talk) 01:20, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: correcting false information about Forbes and Sean Combs

Forbes never named Sean Combs a billionaire, in 2022 or any other year: https://www.forbes.com/billionaires/ If you search "Sean Combs" in the Forbes billionaire directory, you will get no return result. Former Forbes entertainment editor Zack O'Malley Greenburg wrote in his personal Substack in 2022 that Sean Combs was a billionaire: https://zogblog.substack.com/p/hip-hops-wealthiest-artists-2022 At the time of Greenburg's Substack publication, he was no longer working for Forbes and arrived at his net worth valuation of Sean Combs independently. Greenburg's valuation was picked up in the press, including the one of the source links incorrectly citing Forbes as the source of the $1 billion valuation in this Wiki page: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/jay-z-kanye-west-diddy-hip-hop-wealthiest-artists-2022-1234620142/ The BBC story linked states Diageo paid Combs over $1 billion through the lifetime of their relationship, and not that Combs himself is worth $1 billion. https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68002039 Nelliefly (talk) 16:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I an unable to view Greenburg's article, because the blog is subscription only. So I am unable to verify what's going on. I have left the data in the article but have attributed it to Greenburg rather than Forbes as a whole. — Diannaa (talk) 18:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diannaa, here is an archived copy of the blog in question. It's accessible without a subscription block notice, just click on "let me read it first". Isaidnoway (talk) 13:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted that he is a billionaire based on a Forbes cover story ("Inside The Rubble Of Diddy's Empire") from June 2024 by a staff reporter that refutes the claim. (Paywalled but the snippet appears in search.) JSFarman (talk) 17:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Name

He still goes by Puff Daddy. @Cena332 told me he retired that name in 2001 but he released a mixtape in 2015 under the Puff Daddy name. A lot of people today still call him Puffy or Puff Daddy in addition to Diddy, so it should be "or Puff Daddy" not "formerly Puff Daddy". JuanBoss105 (talk) 14:10, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A stage name is different than a artist name. He briefly returned under the Puff Daddy name in 2015 for a mixtape. At the MTV Video Music Awards he opened as Diddy. You say "He still goes by Puff Daddy." His social media listed is under @Diddy, His website is called Diddy. The name has been retired since 2001. From March 2001; "No more Puff Daddy," he told viewers of an MTV music show. [1] Cena332 (talk) 16:05, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The statememt is worded "also known by...", and he is still known by that name. Regardless of Combs' thoughts on the subject, a lot of people, including people in the media, still use that name. — Diannaa (talk) 23:48, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Youre argument of using that statement from 2001 doesnt hold water because he released a mixtape in 2015 as Puff Daddy, so if he really retired that name in 2001, he wouldve released that mixtape as Diddy. Do people know him as Diddy? Yes. Do people know him as Puff Daddy? Yes. I agree with @Diannaa, and I propose that you take out formerly and put also known as Puff Daddy. Regular people acknowledge him as Diddy, P. Diddy, Puff, Puffy, Puff Daddy, etc., so to put formerly isn't right. JuanBoss105 (talk) 02:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

People can still acknowledge you by your former name. I don’t believe a brief return under the Puff Daddy name for a mixtape is WP:NOTABLE. And to the other names, people still acknowledge him by those names, that’s why we have a other names section. I will get HumansRightsIsCool involved, since he was the one to suggest formerly in the lead. Cena332 (talk) 16:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He hasn't used the name puff daddy since 2015. Since he retired the name, it should say formerly puff Daddy. There's a reason why the English word "formerly" exists HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 16:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And saying people still call him puff daddy today is original research @JuanBoss105 HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 16:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What proof do you have that he has retired that name since 2015? Do you have any? Guarantee you don't. JuanBoss105 (talk) 17:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The proof is he hasn't officially used the name in 9 years. And he only used the name one time in 2015. Before they he hasn't used the name in a decade is what I was told on this platform. And why do you even care so much it says "formerly puff daddy" HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 18:31, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I meant to say "before that" not "before they" sorry for the grammar issues btw HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 18:33, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also more proof is he doesn't go by "puff daddy" on any social media platforms. It's always @Diddy. He hasn't called himself puff since 2015 which was like 9 years ago HumansRightsIsCool (talk) 18:35, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why does he have so many aliases? Why does he keep changing his name? The article provides no clue. It should be explained. It looks suspicious otherwise. 2A00:23C8:8F8A:B700:4D77:56CF:CC6F:A21 (talk) 20:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 07:54, 30 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sean Combs → P. Diddy – Many major sources refer to Combs as "P. Diddy" or "Diddy", like https://www.complex.com/music/a/backwoodsaltar/50-cent-why-people-silent-diddy https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/12/magazine/diddy-sean-combs.html and https://www.vibe.com/news/entertainment/50-cent-hip-hops-silence-diddy-party-tapes-accusations-1234905385/ Frankoceanreal (talk) 16:27, 16 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Frost 18:28, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. None of these three examples use "P. Diddy", your suggested title. The New York Times article used "Combs" 82 times and "Diddy" only three times. Vibe uses Diddy 5 times and Combs twice. — Diannaa (talk) 20:13, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support though maybe simply "Diddy" would make more sense. Rovingrobert (talk) 10:36, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A previous discussion determined that Sean Combs is not the primary topic for "Diddy". 162 etc. (talk) 15:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, we even have a disambiguation page at that location. — Diannaa (talk) 16:44, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, P. Diddy it is. Rovingrobert (talk) 23:16, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, with a preference to move to Diddy, per nom. Sources that use 'Sean Combs' usually note some 'aka P. Diddy', but don't generally do the same the other way around. Svampesky (talk) 18:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Complex and Vibe are magazines specializing in hip-hop culture, so of course "Diddy" will be how they primarily refer to him. From how far I could get to in the Times (I hate paywalls), the first sentence referred to him as "Sean Combs"; I therefore request unbiased notable sources that prove Diddy is the WP:COMMONNAME. Tom Danson (talk) 20:31, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fun fact: you can get around the NY Times paywall by plugging the url into Earwig's tool and comparing with any random article. — Diannaa (talk) 01:46, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. It seems the sources brought forth are only accounting for the past year, while Mr. Combs has had an ongoing career wherein he referred to himself as other names. I’m sure in a few months, someone will suggest changing the article title to one of those, as well. For the sake of consistency, and per WP:COMMONNAME, retaining the current article is the reasonable thing to do. Pillow da Don (talk) 22:03, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per User:Pillow da Don. WP:COMMONNAME very much applies in keeping the article's name as is. JeffSpaceman (talk) 23:52, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I have heard the term P. Diddy more often than Sean Combs. {{The Sharpest Lives|💬|✏️|ℹ️}} 22:32, 22 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And I've heard Puff Daddy more than P Diddy...so what's your point? His name is Sean Combs. He used several names as a performer, but one thing has always been consistent. His name is Sean Combs. --Onorem (talk) 18:41, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Having just sifted through most of the recent Sean Combs articles on Google News, the majority use either Diddy, Sean Combs, or Sean "Diddy" Combs. I don't think it can be said that "P. Diddy" is the WP:COMMONNAME. There's a better case for Diddy, sure, but given the abundance of names Combs used in his career, avoiding a stage name as the title probably results in less pointless squabbling as to which one he's best known as. Nohomersryan (talk) 00:31, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Split legal issues into its own article

I think it's time to split this off into its own article. Just a suggestion. CNC33 (. . .talk) 02:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that with his latest arrest a split is inevitable; however, I'm not sure that we're at that point just yet. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 14:54, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

At 6389 words we are still ok from a size point of view. — Ninja Diannaa (Talk) 15:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was working on categories for new pages, and the page was created by removing the existing redirect: Sean Combs sexual misconduct allegations. Svampesky (talk) 17:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored the redirect for now. The page, as created, had next to no content, and people seeking info on this topic will likely look for it here first anyways. — Diannaa (talk) 22:16, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend creating a draft first. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 00:31, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of the story remains to be told, as events unfold ln real time. It will be simpler to only have to update one article - this one. — Diannaa (talk) 01:46, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it should be split into it's own article, given just how high profile his arrest has been and how damaging it's been for his profile. Though I don't think all of the legal issues need to split, only the recent allegations in regards to his sexual abuse and all the other similar allegations made against him.CarterSterling (talk) 07:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I must be misunderstanding you. Surely you don't think it should be split off so that we don't damage his reputation? — Diannaa (talk) 14:41, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yikes! You definitely are - I said "how damaging it's been for his profile" as a way to reiterate it's importance and how much of a big deal it is. Apologies if I sounded like I was stating otherwise.CarterSterling (talk) 08:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support split now It's not in proper summary style as it should be. Splitting it off would help that. ~ HAL333 17:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Considering the fact that this section already has approximately 2,300 words, I think it's completely appropriate to split this into a new article, especially with allegations dating back to 2017. This type of article isn't uncommon or against Wikipedia policy either, as there's already pages like Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations based on similar topics—celebrity sex scandals and assault allegations. Definitely needs to be worded carefully, though. Sexual assault allegations are an incredibly touchy subject. Also agreeing with Hal here, that section is definitely uncomfortably long to read and deserves to be split off for viewing's sake. RidgelantRL (talk) 21:59, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support based on the multitude. It is awkward as all hell to see this massive, line-after-line-after-line-after... you get my point. Make sure it is cohesively structured, and stays within BLP and Controversial Subjects policies. Otherwise, definitely notable and fleshed-out in its own rights, that's for sure. BarntToust (talk) 22:37, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as there appear to be new legal cases filing often. For example Graves v. Combs was filed on Sep 24, 2024 and is missing from this section. 132.239.136.2 (talk) 20:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support through the fact that the only section from the "Legal issues" section that should be split is the misconduct allegations and cases. That is the most serious. The non-misconduct issues can stay. Darrion "Beans" Brown 🙂 (my talk page / my sandbox) 04:26, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support splitting to Sexual misconduct allegations against Sean Combs. Badbluebus (talk) 18:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. When creating/splitting, link it to P. Diddy case (Q130369696). Web-julio (talk) 21:19, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

Please add that he is a nondenominational christian according to this source.

[2]https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/i-haven-t-succeeded-at-love-a-rare-audience-with-rap-legend-p-diddy-2188800.html 164.119.5.58 (talk) 21:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That article is thirteen years old, and may not reflect his current views on religion. So no, I am not in favor of this addition. — Diannaa (talk) 18:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More context added to the first introductory paragraph

The first paragraph of a long article such as this serves as a brief summary, introduction, and signpost to the main points to be found later in the article. Currently the introduction and first few paragraphs are very one-sided, and given that many readers do not look much further may thus introduce an unreasonable bias for casual readers. My suggestion is to add a single sentence at the end of the first paragraph stating that "Combs is currently awaiting trial for sex trafficking and racketeering, and has been the subject of a number of sexual misconduct allegations". 2603:7080:A400:4300:734D:3C2F:94C0:8C76 (talk) 15:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. His arrest and the sexual assault and abuse (not misconduct) allegations are far more significant than "two MTV Video Music Awards, an MTV VMA Global Icon Award in 2023, and a Guinness World Record for "Most Successful Rap Producer" in 1997." JSFarman (talk) 02:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done An editor has taken care of this. — Diannaa (talk) 18:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 September 2024

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Change “No diddy” to “Free diddy” 2601:441:8280:45B0:9C3B:1BC5:231B:94F8 (talk) 21:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 21:05, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The name of Cindy "Ruela"

As you can see in the original files Cindy's last name is Rueda, not Ruela. I can't edit that, but someone should. NatanaelAntonioli (talk) 05:49, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed Thanks for the suggestion. — Diannaa (talk) 10:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]