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Date of appointment to Army Group Vistula

I have checked in Kershaw and he says Himmler received this appointment on January 25, 1945. If there's a source for the 24th, please provide details here and we can discuss. Thanks, — Diannaa (talk) 14:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification Needed

The article currently states (my emphasis in bold):

Heinrich Luitpold Himmler was born in Munich on 7 October 1900 into a conservative middle-class Roman Catholic family. His father was Joseph Gebhard Himmler (1865–1936), a teacher, and his mother was Anna Maria Himmler (née Heyder; 1866–1941), a devout Roman Catholic. Heinrich had two brothers: Gebhard Ludwig (1898–1982) and Ernst Hermann (1905–1945).[3]

Himmler's first name, Heinrich, was that of his godfather, Prince Heinrich of Bavaria, a member of the royal family of Bavaria, who had been tutored by Gebhard Himmler.[4][5]

The article is currently unclear whether it was Heinrich's brother or father who tutored the prince, since they both shared the name. Without access to the sources cited, it would appear that it was his father simply based on DOBs and the fact that his father was a teacher.

If I may suggest an alternate wording for the final sentence in my above quote:

Himmler was named after his godfather, Prince Heinrich of Bavaria, who his father had tutored.

--2607:FEA8:E983:F200:2159:71E7:4DCC:3729 (talk) 19:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for noticing this issue. I have fixed it by saying Himmler's first name, Heinrich, was that of his godfather, Prince Heinrich of Bavaria, a member of the royal family of Bavaria who had been tutored by Himmler's father. — Diannaa (talk) 23:01, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Himmlers relationship

I would like to learn more about their relationship 164.151.16.14 (talk) 09:22, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The name "Hitler" appears in this article 132 times. What do you think is missing? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:56, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"In this capacity, he took part in the genocide"

I don't think it's accurate to say Himmler "took part in the genocide" when he personally did not kill anybody. I changed it to say he "played a major role in the genocide" but was reverted. Which wording to people think is better? Discussion welcome. — Diannaa (talk) 23:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ordering or coordinating it is taking part in an essential way. (Hohum ^@) 23:16, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If we’re going to be sticklers for semantics, I recommend to have the sentence read Himmler “took part in orchestrating the genocide”. I think we should avoid any language that potentially plays down his role in the Holocaust. Emiya1980 (talk) 23:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair point. (Hohum ^@) 23:57, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Its important to be factually accurate. No one wants to downplay someone who was an architect of terror/murder/death. I would recommend: Himmler’s SS was the organisation most responsible for the genocidal murder of an estimated 5.5 to 6 million Jews and the deaths of millions of other victims during the Holocaust. He was not the only one and the SS was not the only group, unit or organisation involved. Kierzek (talk) 00:08, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As I indicated to you earlier, that sentence is needlessly verbose. Moreover, this article is about Himmler himself, not the SS. The focus of the lede should be centered around him. Emiya1980 (talk) 00:14, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s accurate. And you cannot separate one from the other. Kierzek (talk) 00:17, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing inaccurate about saying Himmler took part in orchestrating the Holocaust. It is just a more concise way of conveying the same meaning of what you're saying. Additionally, if we frame the sentence your way, some form of the phrase "was responsible" would appear two sentences in a row which is needlessly repetitive.~~Stop trying to use this thread to shoehorn your verbosity back in the lede.~~ Emiya1980 (talk) 00:19, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]