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The result was keep‎. Except for the nominator, there's nobody asserting deletion. Lots of move and redirect suggestions, but the only actual delete assertion was struckthrough. After three relists, consensus seems to agree that keeping in mainspace is the better option. If anybody is interested in renaming, please request the move in the appropriate forum since there appears to be some disagreement about page title. BusterD (talk) 16:31, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Gaza Strip polio epidemic

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Basically a WP:REDUNDANTFORK of Gaza humanitarian crisis.

More importantly, off all the given sources, only a single one (The National) uses the term "epidemic" in its own voice, with 2 more quoting the Gaza Health Ministry's declaration of an epidemic. RS hasn't been using the term epidemic (probably because as of now there haven't been any confirmed cases yet. There are strong fears of a coming epidemic, and polio has been found in the sewage, but thankfully no infections). At the very least the article needs to be considerably shortened, and name changed to "Polio discoveries" or something. Violates Crystal Ball. It's also not being (significantly) covered by RS on its own, but rather as part of the broader crisis. Hydromania (talk) 03:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Gaza humanitarian crisis - Wouldn't be opposed to recreating the article later if more sources begin to call the Polio issue an epidemic, but a redirect would suffice for right now. Jdcomix (talk) 13:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ per nom. Redirecting the current title if the term "epidemic" is not being used by multiple reliable sources would violate WP:NDESC. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Gaza humanitarian crisis. My first impression is that we should probably redirect. Now to read with care... Yeah, merge with Gaza humanitarian crisis. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move or merge. There are plenty of reliable sources with significant coverage, so deleting it isn’t warranted. If kept, a move or rename to 2024 Gaza Strip polio outbreak or the like would be appropriate. I don’t oppose the merger, however the main article could get filled with a lot of more important and less important trivia; see what happened at one time to Palestinian law. Bearian (talk)

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keep - and expand. Could be broadened to "infectious diseases outbreaks" instead of just polio, but it warrants its own coverage separate from starvation and other issues. FourPi (talk) 12:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC) Blocked sock. SilverLocust 💬 07:23, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep per https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/8/16/israel-war-on-gaza-live-children-killed-in-israeli-attack-on-jabalia-camp, https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/16/un-chief-calls-for-polio-pause-in-gaza-war-to-tackle-virus and FourPi. Pachu Kannan (talk) 02:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That Al Jazeera article does not use the term "Polio Epidemic" in its own voice. Hydromania (talk) 06:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gaza humanitarian crisis is a redirect (it should appear as a green link) so it won't be possible to redirect or merge to it. So you might want to look at ITS target article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - and rename article without using the term 'epidemic', as there is no metric that describes a cluster of three cases as an epidemic. My preference is to use the term 'cases' or 'outbreak' as per Bearian's reasoning and suggestion on 16 August 2024 immediately before AfD was relisted. AllPurposeScientist^blah 11:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I should add that I generally agree with the original reasoning 2 weeks ago, but the situation appears to be more clearly defined now. AllPurposeScientist^blah 11:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Gaza humanitarian crisis - there is no epidemic of polio in Gaza, and none of the sources used in the article describe the situation as such. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boston UnCommon (talk • contribs) 14:15, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Gaza humanitarian crisis. There still appears to be a single case confirmed in reliable sources. The only group claiming an "epidemic" is the unreliable Gaza Health Ministry, and an "outbreak" of one can easily be contained in another article. Seeing that the article title has already been changed, I am revising my !vote to redirect. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:05, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As stated above, Gaza humanitarian crisis is not a possible target article because it is not an article, it is a Redirect. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:35, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That seems like a technicality. We could redirect to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present), which is what Gaza humanitarian crisis redirects to Boston UnCommon (talk) 14:02, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fine, Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023-present). Dclemens1971 (talk) 23:47, 24 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move the content to draft for now and redirect the title to Gaza humanitarian crisis (2023–present). If there are more than a handful of additional cases reported, however, there should be an article at this title. I base this opinion on my own work as creator of articles including the 1916 New York City polio epidemic, 1990–1991 Philadelphia measles outbreak, 2018 United States adenovirus outbreak, 2019–2020 dengue fever epidemic‎, 2019 New York measles outbreak, and 2019 United States hepatitis A outbreak‎. BD2412 T 02:46, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Various reliable sources cover the topic extensively and directly so that it meets the requirement for notability and a standalone page is acceptable. A request to change the title is discussed and can be decided there. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:02, 27 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: covered by reliable sources. Meets NEVENT/GNG. C F A 💬 00:43, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: as said by User:CFA and User:AllPurposeScientist. GunnarBonk (talk) 01:08, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe a Keep consensus has been reached. An impartial editor who was not involved in this discussion can remove this from the AfD when the discussion time has elapsed. Please do not relist unless the editor finds an outsanding problem. AllPurposeScientist^blah 02:37, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Withdrawn‎. Sources presented (non-admin closure) PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nya Doxa

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Swedish book publisher, zero sources I could find. As with all book publishers, finding sources is very annoying as you get swamped with the books they write, so there could be something, but if there was I could not find it. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:26, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There's a 1400 words long article about Nya Doxa in Svenska Dagbladet from 1997 and an 1100 words long article in Nerikes Allehanda from 2003, as well as additional shorter articles, like a 470 words long piece from 2002. I've added sourcing to the article. /Julle (talk) 08:02, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good to me - tried to find stuff like that myself, but could not. I will withdraw this. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:48, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - per Julle’s rationale. Clear case of WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 13:09, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:34, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zhu Yudong

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I can’t see any in depth coverage in RIS to indicate that this subject is notable. There may be sources in Chinese I didn’t manage to turn up - if not this article should go. Mccapra (talk) 00:58, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. I have been finding Chinese language sources for this subject, who seems to be a pretty famous director. I haven't yet found any RS that demonstrate individual notability, but I'll look again later today and report my findings or not findings as applicable. Our article is longer than his Baidu page, which seems kinda sus. Folly Mox (talk) 11:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Here are some sources I found:
1. Wang, Xiaoye 王小野 (2021-02-18). ""数字文创展——来自四维空间的线圈世界"展览开幕：用科技与艺术传递光与爱" ["Digital Cultural and Creative Exhibition - Coil World from Four-Dimensional Space" Exhibition Opens: Delivering Light and Love with Technology and Art]. china.com [zh] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-08-12. Retrieved 2024-08-12.
  The article provides a passing mention. The article notes: "中央新影集团著名导演朱昱东". From Google Translate: "Zhu Yudong, a famous director from China Film Group"
2. "电影《海霞》要拍续集了" [The movie "Haixia" is going to have a sequel]. Wenzhou Business Daily [zh] (in Chinese). 2012-08-30. p. 文娱 14.
  The article notes: "月中旬到10月初开拍。执导此部电影的总导演为中央电视台副台长、中央新影集团总裁高峰。导演为中央电视台科教节目制作中心导演朱昱东，他的电影剧本《达西的季节》、《他们》曾分别获得国家广播电影电视总局夏衍杯剧本奖、中国台湾“行政院新闻局”优良剧本征选大"
  From Google Translate: "...Filming will start from mid-October to early October. The chief director of this movie is Gao Feng, deputy director of CCTV and president of China Film Group. The director is Zhu Yudong, director of CCTV's Science and Education Program Production Center. His movie scripts "Darcy's Season" and "They" have won the Xia Yan Cup Script Award of the State Administration of Radio, Film and Television and the Excellent Script Selection Competition of the "Executive Yuan News Bureau" of Taiwan, China..."
Cunard (talk) 09:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The Chinese Wikipedia article was deleted in December 2010 after a sparsely attended discussion at zh:Wikipedia:頁面存廢討論/記錄/2021/12/04#朱昱东. The sources I found suggest Zhu Yudong is notable but are not by themselves enough for him to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline or Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria. If more sources cannot be found, I would recommend delete. I hope more sources can be found. Cunard (talk) 09:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much for looking into this. Mccapra (talk) 09:20, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Otago. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:35, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Flag of Otago

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Can't find any sources that talk about this flag. The current sources are a passing mention related to the designer's opinion on something else, and flags of the world which is a deprectated source. couldn't find any books, news articles, even on the council website wasn't anything. TheLoyalOrder (talk) 00:22, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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clarifying im not saying this flag is inaccurate just saying its not notable enough to have its own article TheLoyalOrder (talk) 00:23, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Very odd that it's not on the council website - it is the official flag and is flown outside their headquarters. Also not quite sure why FOTW is a deprecated source - it's still active and currently undergoing a major upgrade. I'll look for more sources. Grutness...wha? 01:13, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:FOTW ->Flags of the World has been written off as an unreliable source in general. Although some of its pages might refer to reliable sources, it is self-published content without editorial oversight, and the hosts "disclaim any responsibility about the veracity and accuracy of the contents of the website." TheLoyalOrder (talk) 01:54, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom or Merge into the main Otago article. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 00:20, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, not understanding what the problem is. Otago is a region of the South Islands, and the region has a flag, and Wikipedians have written an article about that flag. Wikipedia's flag collection includes many articles on regional territorial flags. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:00, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the flag doesn't meet Wikipedia:Notability to have its own article, there are literally no sources that I could find TheLoyalOrder (talk) 05:40, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly, it looks like most if not all the sources are print only :/ They do exist, though. And while I hesitate to use OTHERSTUFF as an argument, I'd agree that if other regional authorities' official flags are notable enough for articles, it seems like a double-standard to have this one face deletion. Grutness...wha? 12:46, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge content into the article for Otago. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 02:29, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Otago not enough notability nor enough content for a stand alone article for this. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:19, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge is by far the most sensible option for this article. The flag exists, it relates to Otago and therefore should be included in that article.NealeWellington (talk) 10:48, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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