Talk:Siege of Leith

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Did you know... that in 1560, the English helped the Scots lay siege to the French encampment at Leith?

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Covers limited information available well with inline citations. Some work could be done to improve info box (e.g. numbers, tighter dates, co-ordinates,period-appropriate French flag). A plan would be helpful if one could be found. Monstrelet (talk) 09:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Ive piped Filippo di Piero Strozzi to Piero di Strozzi.... I'm assuming these are the same fella Victuallers (talk) 22:39, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've unlinked it, for now. The reason being Filippo di Piero Strozzi, according to the article, was born in 1541, so it seems unlikely that he was designing artillery forts in Scotland at the age of seven. Note 14 in Harris' paper states "A dispatch dated 10 August 1548 (Calendar of Scottish Papers 1547-1603 no 313) refers to Strozzi as the designer, and reports that, recovering from wounds, he was supervising the works from a chair carried by four men." Fillippo's biography says he came to Scotland in 1560 to fight for the rebels, well after the fort was built. Its possible that the dates, either of his birth or his involvement at Leith, are wrong, but it needs further investigation and probably shouldn't be linked while such an obvious contradiction is apparent. It could refer to Fillippo's father, also Piero Strozzi. Thanks for finding the connection, I shall try to look into it when I can. Regards, Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 10:55, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nice call Jonathon, I'd discounted the father in haste as he was dead in 1560, but it seems likely that you account points to the dad. Thanks for the collaboration. I enjoyed my trip to Leith and now understand some of its history. Victuallers (talk) 16:54, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

btw This Piero Strozzi, is also recorded in a published source taking Mary of Guise of a tour of the seige at Haddington in 1548. It's in a letter she wrote published by Michaud & Poujoulat, nouvelles collection..., vol. 6 , which is on googlebooks, though hard to find. The letter is exactly as Harris mentions, CSPS, i, 158, Clinton to lord Shrewsbury and Grey, and p123 mentions that Piero's brother was also in Scotland. There is an Italian website called condottiere.com or suchlike with tables of these guys' careers. 87.115.4.150 (talk) 15:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Henry VIII Protestant?

The text says "was appointed Regent and agreed to the demand of the Protestant Henry VIII of England that the" but to my knowledge Henry VIII was never Protestant, he was head of the Church of England, but still considered himself Catholic and on the Henry VIII page it says "Henry never formally repudiated the doctrines of the Catholic Church". So I purpose that this sentence is changed. I just wanted to check if anyone had any problems with this.Dja1979 (talk) 19:47, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Seems fine to delete the qualifier "Protestant" here which is not really necessary in any case. Actually, while not claiming to be a Protestant, Henry VIII did appeal to James V of Scotland via the diplomat Ralph Sadler that James should dissolve the Scottish monasteries and possess their lands. This would perhaps indicate a willingness to foment a Reformation in a neighbour state.(The references are in the James V article). By the time of the Siege of Leith, the position was the widow of James V, Mary of Guise, was ruler of Scotland, but said to have been deposed by her Protestant Scottish nobles. The involvement of the new Elizabethan Church of England in the military intervention 1559-60 is perhaps apparent and demonstrated by John Jewel's letters showing his knowledge (?and assistance by using his Swiss contacts) in the voyage of James Hamilton, 3rd Earl of Arran to Scotland, where he became (as intended) a figurehead of the Protestant movement, or at least its secular aspirations.Unoquha (talk) 17:34, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]