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If you came here just to insult me, I will delete your comments without a reply.
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Blood Red Throne

What does "Tes" mean at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Blood_Red_Throne_(2nd_nomination)#Ronny_Thorsen? --Jax 0677 (talk) 11:36, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Jax 0677,

I simple typo on my part. I meant to type "Yes" but the "T" is right next to "Y" on my keyboard. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:21, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

SGUL Teddy Bear Hospital

Hi Liz, please could you relist or reclose as delete the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/SGUL Teddy Bear Hospital - I certainly don't see any significant coverage of that, and as noted the St George's just seems to be one amongst very many. I would like to vote to delete this. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 17:09, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

I stumbled upon this looking at RMs, I would be inclined to vote delete as well if it were up for deletion, looks like pure promotion to me. ASUKITE 15:28, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Amakuru,

That AFD discussion was relisted three times, we really don't relist any discussions four times unless it's happened by accident. And I still read this discussion as No consensus as I interpret Siroxo's comment as a Keep. I usually advise editors to wait awhile between AFDs but with the low participation, I think it's okay to bring this back to AFD for a second look. We have just been having problem getting more editors to participate in AFD discussions if the subjects aren't hot topics. But having both you and Asukite interested in weighing in on this future discussion would probably mean that this discussion wouldn't even need one relisting. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:17, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

07:06, 22 October 2023 Liz talk contribs deleted page User:Guimaraeslr/sandbox (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion)

Hello Liz. I hope this message finds you well.

I believe there was some misunderstanding regarding the evaluation of my article about the author Suzy Giordano, which you requested to remove.

Obviously the content did not promote the author in an advertising way or in any other way.

The article was clearly written to inform people about the author's undeniable contribution to the field of sleep and child development. This contribution is recognized worldwide by several important publications, as mentioned in the article and referenced with the hyperlinks of each publication cited.

I kindly request that you reconsider your assessment and restore my article, as I no longer have a copy of it and would have to write it again.

Thank you in advance and I'll wait your response.

Best Regards, Leonardo Guimarães Guimaraeslr (talk) 15:12, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Guimaraeslr,

This was one of the most promotional articles I've come across. It was pure advertising. Wikipedia is an referenced encyclopedia, not a directory where article subjects can brag about their accomplishments.

If you enable email access for your account, I can email you the content of the article but I won't restore it, primarily because it would just be tagged for deletion and deleted again. There is no point in restoring an article only to have it deleted a few hours later. Let me know if you want the last version of the article emailed to you through Wikipedia's email system. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:11, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

User strike out

One of the gadgets I have checked in preferences is Strike out usernames that have been blocked.

I find it helps you know whether to expect a reply if you should answer one of their posts.

Then I came across a post by BrownHairedGirl, and was surprised that her name was crossed out.

Whoa. Wasn't expecting to see that.

So, I traced the block back to the ArbCom case, and learned that it was the 3rd one in which she'd been held accountable, this last one being the final straw triggering an indefinite ban.

Whoa. Wasn't expecting to see that.

I knew about the first one, but not the later two.

ArbCom was really fed up this time, not even allowing her to edit her talk page during the ban.

Whoa. Wasn't expecting to see that.

End of an era.

On retrospect, should have seen it coming, but the community put up with her antics for so long, it was easy to believe that it would never end.

I have mixed feelings about the whole thing.

On the one hand, she was a talented prolific editor, and a major loss to the project.

On the other hand, all she had to do was tone it down, but she just couldn't bring herself to do that.

I just don't get it.

Well, I guess the drama reduction will do the project good.

Hopefully, she'll take the lesson to heart and come back with a refined attitude.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   14:41, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Undeletion request for Lalitha Jewellery page

Dear Liz, I found that you deleted the page I created Lalitha Jewellery in the AFD discussion well before I could give my points and keep vote as I was out of town. I have lot more news articles to add in it and that jewellery has the world's largest jewellery showroom 130000 sq ft and over 50 outlets throughout South India and there are many factors that could be pointed out towards it notability through the news links. I request you to please undelete the page as its a soft delete and allow me to improve the page in a much better way. Have a Great Day ahead Anbupaithal (talk) 14:54, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

"I need more bullets" deletion discussion

Hello,

There is currently a deletion discussion occurring for the article I need more bullets. The current consensus is speedy delete.

As others have said in the discussion, the subject is not notable and the article likely also qualifies for WP:SNOWBALL. If you could help close the discussion with a speedy delete, I feel it would help Wikipedia's integrity as a whole.

Thanks! Coalah (talk) 16:09, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Categorizing redirect

Hi Liz,

Bhaskar (Indian werewolf character) and Yapum were deleted under WP:G8. These do appear useful to me as redirects and I had done so. Would you be willing to restore these as drafts or restore the categories that these pages had? That would be really helpful.

Thanks Gotitbro (talk) 07:05, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Request

Based on advice I've provided to members of the next generation of Wikipedians, I've started a revamp of Wikipedia:Tools/Optimum tool set.

Please take a look and let me know if there are any essential techniques or must have tools that you think should be included.

Thank you.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   08:21, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

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Heads-up

Hi Liz. I just closed this DRV, which is going to require me to undelete a very large number of G13s. It'll probably take me a little while to make the dummy edits and remove any tags, so you may see some of them showing up in CAT:CSD or other lists at some point in the next hour or so. No need for any action on your part—just wanted to give you a heads-up in case you see any drafts where they don't belong. Hope you're doing well! Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:31, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Extraordinary,

I glanced over the DRV and don't see the mandate to undelete a lot of pages so maybe I'll read it over more carefully. I've seen tens of thousands of G13 drafts and sandboxes and there have been very very few ones that have been labeled Outlines. So, maybe there aren't as many as you might anticipate.

I will say that I'm heading to bed in about an hour so you might alert the night crew (well, it's night for me) which is Explicit and Fastily about this. Of course, if a page shows up in a CSD category than any patrolling admin could come across it. But thanks for the head's up. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:42, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

There's a list of 140-some-odd of them in the "extended content" box in the DRV. (Thank goodness for Twinkle batch-undelete!) I confess I don't really see the point of all these outlines, but c'est la vie. Hopefully I'll have everything wrapped up within the hour, but if not I may have to let Explicit and Fastily know. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:50, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Extraordinary Writ, I've never used batch-undelete before. Do you just work with a list of linked, deleted pages? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:54, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Yep, batch-undelete (the "und-batch" button in the Twinkle menu) works just like batch-delete except in the other direction. The only problem is that it doesn't remove any deletion tags or make any dummy edits, so I have to do that either by hand or with another script (like AutoWikiBrowser). But it definitely saves a lot of time on things like this! Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:58, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I've tried looking at AWB years ago and found it mystifying. I run into problems with G13s though as we have several editors who use AWB to do mass-minor copy edits on drafts so we'll have a hundred drafts expiring over 10 minutes. I think it's a little too powerful. Maybe one day though I'll try it again. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:04, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Okay, this should be done now (I think). If you see anything outline-related in the next few days, it may be a leftover from tonight's activities—let me know if there are any large-scale problems. Good night! Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:56, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh, and if you ever need any help on those days when there are hundreds of drafts expiring at once, feel free to let me know. Usually I try to leave G13s to the handful of admins who specialize in that area, but I'm always happy to help when there's a need (assuming I'm around). Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:03, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh, that is good to know. Josh used to help out a lot tagging drafts before he because an admin and now it helps out with deletion. But nobody works 24/7 so it's good to have folks that you can call on for help. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:06, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Proposal to rename category

PLease see my proposal to speedily rename Category:Lists of indigenous peoples of Russia to Category:Lists of Indigenous peoples of Russia. Hugo999 (talk) 01:33, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

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RfC on deletion of species names

Hi Liz, I've started an RfC on deletion of species names that have not been accepted, at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Biology#Request_for_comment,_deletion_of_dubious_species, in hopes of getting a general policy, given that we've had a regular stream of very similar cases turning up lately. Is there a good place to bring this to the attention of the AfD community? I absolutely don't want to bypass the AfD process or undermine any existing AfD's, so if you think I'm muddying the waters and it's inappropriate, just tell me, and I'll withdraw it. Elemimele (talk) 19:01, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Album article redirects

Thanks for redirecting a lot of these PRODs. In the future, can you please add {{r from album}} and retain the categories? Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:06, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Justin,

Oh, I didn't know about that tag. There are a lot more coming up on November 13th, too. I've asked the editor twice now if they could redirect the articles rather than PRODding them but they don't seem inclined to do so. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:09, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeesh. Yeah, Wikipedia is a big place and even us old-heads don't know everything. Thanks for all you've done for the past 15 years or so. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:11, 10 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Piast Dragon

Can IPs close AfD discussions? I was going to ask the closer to relist this instead. Given it is an IP close, do I need DelRev or can you handle it? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:47, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Note: This IP close has already been reverted by another editor. Cheers! BD2412 T 15:00, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

BD2412, even here an IP closed a discussion and they keep "reverting our reverts". dxneo (talk) 08:03, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

This appears to have been addressed with a brief block of the IP. BD2412 T 14:46, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I hope it's OK to add to this, there is an LTA, related to (or is this user) Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/BuickCenturyDriver who likes to mess with AFD'S when the Billy Cranston and other articles have been protected. They usually select two AFD requests at random to mess with then move on to other nominations once they've been protected. Knitsey (talk) 14:55, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Jill Ovens DRV

Thank you for telling PP666 to be less aggressive. I found them difficult at a DRN about association football results because they were unnecessarily verbose, and were complaining about a combination of conduct and content issues in a content forum (DRN), but I didn't want to rebuke them because I usually try to remain neutral at DRN. Maybe they will pay attention to you. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:14, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Robert,

Thank you but I'm doubtful. If you look at their talk page you can see that several editors have told them what I tried to tell them, in different words, and it wasn't received well. When a relatively inexperienced editor thinks they are right and just about everyone else is wrong, it's usually a sign that a NOTHERE block will eventually come their way (I don't block for this reason but there are plenty of admins who do). The only way to dig oneself out of this hole would be to have some humility, see other people's words as advice, not rebukes, and to move on from whatever dispute one has become enmeshed in. That takes a certain amount of maturity and foresight to see that one may lose an argument but become a better editor in the process and time will tell if this editor has those characteristics. It's unfortunate when an editor sees other folk's good intentioned warnings as "a pile-on" but that seems to have happened here. As you well know, some arguments go your way and some don't...if you are here for the long haul, you have to graciously live with both results. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:31, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes. I was expressing optimism, but I didn't have a reason other than hope to express optimism. I think that I may be trying too hard to be optimistic about other things because my brother died suddenly last week, and life goes on for those for whom life goes on, or in another world. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:09, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

I saw their talk page when I closed the case about football results. They were complaining that there is article ownership and other misconduct at Wikiroject Football. I said to report it at WP:ANI, or don't report it. Oh well. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:09, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Deleted Page.

@Liz Can I restart a page which was deleted. Actually this page was created by me. At that time I was unaware of WP:SCHOOL as I was a newcomer. Mr. Rasel Hasan (talk) 06:32, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Deletion review for Saydulla Madaminov

PetrovMD has asked for a deletion review of Saydulla Madaminov. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. —Cryptic 19:15, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Cryptic,

I've responded there but I appreciate the notice. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:46, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	You comment here was very kind. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:09, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Magnolia677,

Well, thank you for the acknowledgment. I don't think this editor will stick around for long but I'd rather that they leave with an impression of Wikipedia that isn't awful. And it doesn't take any more effort to be kind than to be sarcastic which can be the default response around here. In other instances, I've seen some eager but misguided new editors treated horribly on Wikipedia but there's a general feeling that we shouldn't be handing out civility blocks to longtime editors so I just try to leave a personal note where I think it might help and demonstrate that we are all human beings here, not just a mass of bureaucrats enforcing rules. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:51, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Deleted Draft: Christina Henry

Dear Liz, I was just contemplating as to why the author Christina Henry does not yet have a Wikipedia entry and then stumbled across your now deleted draft. I would like to work on an entry for Christina Henry and wondered, as to why your draft was deleted. And what is your take on the subject in general? Thank you in advance! Best wishes - DarkGreenAndSunny (talk) 21:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, DarkGreenAndSunny,

I probably can do that for you if it was a simple CSD G13 deletion but could you provide me a link to the page you are referring to? It's a little step to take but I look at thousands of pages a day and would help me respond quicker if I didn't have to search for it. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much, sure! This is the link to the deleted draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Christina_Henry. It seems to have been a CSD G13 deletion. DarkGreenAndSunny (talk) 21:49, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello Liz, in the meantime I composed the German Wiki entry (Christina Henry). I would be happy to translate it into English, if you get around to reopening the draft Draft:Christina Henry. Thank you very much and all the best - DarkGreenAndSunny (talk) 09:55, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Dear Liz,

I hope this is the best way to reach you! I'd still like to work on this draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Christina_Henry.

All the best - DarkGreenAndSunny (talk) 15:57, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Bright (American band)

Hi, as you are the deleting admin for Bright (American band), could I request restoration of this PROD? There are additional sources not considered by the nominator - e.g., [1], [2], [3]. I can add these to the restored article. Thanks. Chubbles (talk) 06:48, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Southern Pacific 4450‎

Hi @Liz,

Regarding the locomotive article, there's discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Australian_railroad_IP. In it @Jay has stated "As undeleter of Southern Pacific 4450, I'm at fault for failing to check the cumulative diff at the AfD. It would have shown how Delete was manipulated to Soft Delete. I would suggest re-deletion". Are you fine for me to go ahead with me readding the CSD G4 or would you prefer this to proceed to an AfD? There was also Southern Pacific 4451‎ which I had added a CSD G4 to, which was revived because of the same IP, but I quickly reverted that when I saw you turn down my speedy. TarnishedPath^talk 08:09, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

A7 on Chilufya Tayali

Hi Liz -- I don't think this is A7 material; he's a candidate for the mayor of the capital city and leader of an opposition party; some of the sources look ok. As the creator has already moved it back from draft, looks like AfD is the only option. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 08:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Espresso Addict,

I thought it might be declined but thought I'd try any way. I understand your decision. Thanks for letting me know why. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:06, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Quick question

What are the requirements for a musician to have a template, I hope my question makes sense or you can redirect me to a specific page if there is one Thank you. dxneo (talk) 13:08, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, dxneo,

I'm not very knowledgable about templates and guidelines surrounding them. I'd just look at examples of other musician's templates and work off of them. See Category:Musician templates and Wikipedia:Template index and just explore. More general information can be found at Help:Template.

If you want to do some homework, you could browse through WP:TFD discussions and see which templates are kept and which ones are deleted. By looking at TFD, you could see editors who are actively evaluating templates and ask them for advice. Sorry I couldn't answer your specific question. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:27, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Question regarding article you deleted

Hi Liz,

I'm looking at Priya Venkatesan, a redlink created after you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Priya Venkatesan. This individual appears to have had an article re-created at Priya Hays (note the middle name and the identical nature of that biography's education details to that of Venkatesan).

Is there anything from the old article that's worth saving and importing into the new one? I'd like to create a redirect from the old name to the new name, but I know that can sometimes screw up restoration/histmerges, so I wanted to check.

— Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Liz,

Just wanting to follow up on this question.

— Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Red-tailed hawk,

Sorry, I'm behind in responding to User talk page messages. I'll look into this today. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:17, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Liz. Any updates? — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 03:43, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

AFDs

Hi Liz. Have you noticed any increase in the number of AFDs recently? Curious. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:03, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Dr. Blofeld,

There are regularly about 75-100+ AFDs posted to the daily log page (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2023 November 18 as an example). When I compare today's log page with the same date in 2022, 2021, 2020 and 2019, there is a definite increase in number of discussions but I think it is still fewer AFDs than the "glory years" of 2006-2009 when so many pages were getting created and deleted. But I noticed this AFD increase occurring a few months ago at the beginning of the summer so it isn't "recent" in the sense of happening just in the past few weeks.

I think that there are at least two factors going on here, first, more AFD discussions are getting relisted which increases the number of deletion discussions on the daily log page. There are a couple reasons for that, the primary one being that we have fewer participants in AFD discussions these days so it's more difficult to arrive at a decisive closure decision in 7 days. Secondly, we've had several newer editors who have posted dozens of AFD discussions at a time, rather than doing a bundled nomination, and that results in more discussions per daily log page. Because of the investment of time editors put into evaluating articles/redirects/categories/templates for deletion consideration, we try to discourage that behavior.

That's just my first impression. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:11, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Liz. Yes, I mean "recent months/weeks" . I've noticed an increase in the frequency of geography AFDs in particular. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Help please

Hi Liz, can you take a look at this [4], I'm not sure what that's about? Knitsey (talk) 22:09, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

The edit summary I mean. Knitsey (talk) 22:10, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Dealt with, I read some of their other messages and reported to AIV instead, sorry to bother you. Knitsey (talk) 22:29, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Knitsey,

No problem. You acted correctly Edit summaries have been revision deleted and User:Hope a Dope a Rope has been blocked. Sorry not to respond more switfly. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:37, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Nah, if I had spent another few minutes checking other edits I could have gone straight to AIV. But thanks so much. Knitsey (talk) 22:53, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

Smiley Children Society

Hi, Good Morning, Greetings of the day. this is regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Smiley_Children_Society

still researching and got some more notable things, its there any chance that i get some more time to add the notability information in "Smiley Children Society". got news links from wayback machine. and i can see many wikipedia pages just relay on single source, just to bring you notice, iam mentioning here [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]

I've come across a few pages in my research, and regarding the Smiley Children Society page, could you kindly allow some time? After incorporating the additional references and content, I believe it would be beneficial for you to make a decision. Having dedicated almost a week to this content, I suggest taking a decision after reviewing the supplementary information on the Smiley Children Society — Preceding unsigned comment added by CAJaganaddamRJY (talk • contribs) 05:57, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Liz, you should be aware of Special:Diff/1185823260, for all that I declined to reinstate it after another user (accidentally?) removed it. —Cryptic 08:08, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Coco & Clair Clair

Hello, Liz. I see you deleted Draft:Coco & Clair Clair; could you please restore it because they appear to have attracted sufficient attention for their recent album Sexy to pass WP:GNG? Thank you. --Launchballer 11:34, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Launchballer,

 Done It was a straight CSD G13 deletion so it was easily restored. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:38, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Cow belt

There is a another similar redirect Cow Belt of Cow belt white redirects to Indo-Gangetic Plain. Can you fix it? 103.39.128.65 (talk) 16:06, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

I've boldly done this. (talk page stalker) — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 21:31, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

javier milei result

i saw you closed the discussion on Political positions of Javier Milei as keep for "views" and delete for "positions", but unless i am mistaken, it looks like the opposite is what actually resulted in happening. i am confused. can you please clarify for me? Iljhgtn (talk) 16:24, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Political views of Javier Milei Iljhgtn (talk) 16:25, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

It looks like the article formerly at Political positions of Javier Milei was deleted, and then the article formerly at "Political Views of Javier Milei" was moved to usurp the title of Political positions of Javier Milei. This is consistent with the closing summary of the deletion discussion. (talk page stalker) — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 21:28, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, Iljhgtn, Red-tailed hawk is correct. "Views" was Kept, "Positions" was Deleted and then "Views" was Moved to the "Positions" page title so "Views" became a Redirect. It was one of the more complicated AFD discussion closures that I've done but the consensus seem to rest on this resolution of the discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:36, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

i am confused, shouldn't "positions" be the redirect to "views"? (talk) 22:11, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

No, Iljhgtn, as I said, we moved "Views" to the "Positions" page title. So, that is where the Views article is now, under the page title of Positions. Please look at the AFD where it is all explained. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:48, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Undeletion request for "K._S._Lewkowicz"

Hi Liz - I’m writing to request your advice please. Would it be possible to get access to the draft of the deleted K.S Lewkowicz page to add further notable references? This is to strengthen the page and see if you agree that the page could then be reinstated and the deletion discussion reopened to review the new references.

I was going to add these before the page was deleted and would appreciate the opportunity to to so. The topic is relevant to contemporary musical theatre and will meet WP:N and WP:V. I do appreciate your work, your experience and your consideration. Richardavenger (talk) 23:41, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Richardavenger,

Can you provide me with a link to the deleted page? I'm not sure if it was in main space or Draft space and I need to see why it was deleted. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:46, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

It's K. S. Lewkowicz (AfD discussion) - section title was correct, section contents weren't. —Cryptic 00:13, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello User:Liz

Apologies for the slow response (Thanksgiving travel!). Here is the deletion discussion:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/K._S._Lewkowicz

Appreciate your time.

Cheers

Richard 24.183.162.122 (talk) 14:27, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Liz - are you able to look at the articles for deletion for this topic?

(sorry, I just noted my 25 November response was not when logged in...too much turkey dinner!)

As I say, there are substantive additional references to be added to the page.

This is a genuine topic of interest for London UK, Mexican and European theatre, IMHO.

Cheers

Richard Richardavenger (talk) 18:00, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Liz - have you had a chance to find the page and have a look?

I have a series of references to update the page and prove validity of the entry.

These are stories from UK newspapers: The Times, Independent, Evening Standard and Daily Mail.

Reincluding the deleted page link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/K._S._Lewkowicz

Thanks, and all the best for the Silly Season. Richardavenger (talk) 16:36, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Liz - happy NY.

Any thoughts on this page?

Would be great to have the chance to reinforce the page with the 3rd party references.

Thanks! Richardavenger (talk) 20:03, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

CSD G6 of redirect with history

Hi, I haven't been around for a bit so forgive me if my understanding of page edit history preservation is no longer correct.

You CSD'd Reyna909/Yara Amaral, which was moved by User:Reyna909 from draftspace to mainspace, from where I merged the content from to Yara Amaral (diff: [10]). AFAIK, the standard procedure for merges is (was?) to use Template:R from merge, and keep the page, not because it is a useful redirect but because we must preserve the edit history. Now the edit history of User:Reyna909's contributions is gone.

Please let me know if I'm mistaken about policy, I performed the merge incorrectly, or if there's a way to correctly restore the edit history.

A412 (Talk • C) 06:05, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

The speedy delete was correct - there's only one author to the page and since they put the username in their page title the content you merged would still be correctly attributed. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:08, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion declined: Himanshu Singhal

Hello Liz. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Himanshu Singhal, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: there's some sources provided which is enough of a credible asseertion of notability. Needs to go to AfD if deletion is still required. Thank you. GedUK  10:14, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ged UK,

Well, thanks for letting me know. If I'm unsure about a speedy deletion (especially A7s), I tag the article and let another administrator review the decision. I appreciate the follow-up. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi pls Read ma’am

hi I would like the page title Bahari Ibaadat to be consider to be undeleted one because someone with no experience, has edited the article and has completely messed up the article this is the reputation of an artist with having deleted articles on her name can put dark mark on her name. Second reason that I can provide non-trivial reliable source to help the article. I would like to have the approval from the respectful admins to allow me to work on article or have it on draft the article so it can be ready for publication thank you DWashingtonn (talk) 04:53, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, DWashingtonn,

Please provide a link to the page you are interested in so I can see why it was deleted. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Here is the link ma’am

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bahari Ibaadat (2nd nomination) DWashingtonn (talk) 05:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I also want to put note that this article was active article for almost 9 years thank you ma’am hopefully I’ll get a chance to work on this article to have it ready with Wikipedia rules DWashingtonn (talk) 05:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I was also advised by other administrator to make the request with you after your approval I can work on the article thank you DWashingtonn (talk) 05:02, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Can't fault deleting that. Consensus was delete. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 09:54, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

FWIW, was create protected by the Materialscientist. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 09:58, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

What does that mean DWashingtonn (talk) 16:15, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

In this instance, only an admin can create the article. So the way to proceed would be to create a WP:DRAFT, receive acceptance from the WP:AfC reviewers, and then request unprotection. Hope that helps, -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 16:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

I note there's an SPI related to the OP. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:00, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Can someone help me with WP:DRAFT ? And before that I was told to get approval of miss liz DWashingtonn (talk) 18:49, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

OP has been indef sock blocked. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:20, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

I am the admin who advised the OP to post here, asking to restore the deleted article to draft space for improvement. After looking at the deleted article, I felt it had potential. But that isn't relevant now that the OP has been discovered to be a sockpuppet. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:10, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

Too soon

I have thought that for unsubmitted drafts, but never declined as "too soon." Never saw that done before. -- Deepfriedokra (talk) 09:35, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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Malti Chahar

Hi Liz! I see you've protected Malti Chahar from being recreated. Could you please look at Malti Chahar Actress to see if it should be deleted? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 06:31, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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Good day, mind undeleting the initial revision? Need it to fix the rendering issue. --Minorax^«¦talk¦» 12:25, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

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Hi Liz, I'm reaching out to inquire about the possibility of restoring an article on my User Page. It was deleted due to insufficient sources and content. During that period, my activity on Wikipedia was limited, leading to a lack of attention to the article's improvement. I want to highlight my increased involvement now and draw your attention to a similar article I've created, titled Works of Zakariyya Kandhlawi. Inspired by this, I am eager to dedicate time to enhancing Abdul Majid Daryabadi's bibliography. I kindly request your assistance in restoring the deleted article to my user page. Thanks.–MinisterOfReligion ^(Talk) 02:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Don't think I was edit warring

Hi Liz, you accused me of edit warring[11]. Category:Republic of Crimea was created on Nov 20. Republic of Crimea (and other pages) were added to the new category by the creator of the category on Nov 20 and on Nov 21 and by a third user on Nov 24. Each time I reverted them shortly afterwards, returning to status quo. The creator of the category started the discussion on Category_talk:Republic of Crimea immediately after my second revert. I continued the discussion at Talk:Republic_of_Crimea#A_new_category_for_this_? after leaving a link at the category talk. The creator of the category and other people took part in that discussion, and I was active there, too. On Nov 24, there were three participants (including myself) against the new category, two in favour, including the creator and the "third user" I mentioned above. Since consensus had not been reached, I saw the addition of a lot of pages to the new category as disruptive and reverted them.

As I see it, reverting to status quo while constructively taking part in the discussion is a perfectly normal and accepted behaviour. Meaning, you should not have templated me. If I'm right, I ask you to strike your comment on my talk page. If I'm wrong, please explain which rule was overlooked by me. Rsk6400 (talk) 07:54, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Paid & COI notifications

have recently been contemplating and have already begun creating some paid Wikipedia articles, adhering to WP:PAID. Are there any rules or regulations regarding the removal of the paid article listing from my profile after it's been removed from Wikipedia? Furthermore, if I delete a COI article that I authored, can I also remove it from my profile? If I request to delete my userpage, do I still need to mention these actions on the new userpage? If so, could you provide some criterias? DIVINE 22:09, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

AfD to be closed

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MLW M-640 - Wikipedia

Result: Two counts of Keep and one comment suggesting to keep it, I assume good faith that this article can be kept on wikipedia. 118.210.56.198 (talk) 22:19, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Now its three counts of Keep 118.210.56.198 (talk) 22:36, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh wait nevermind, it was closed already 118.210.56.198 (talk) 06:00, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Balrampur AfD

Hi Liz, can you revert and relist the Balrampur AfD for another week, to avoid the scenario of a nom trying to reverse a soft delete. See WP:Requests for undeletion#Balrampur Chini Mills Limited where you were pinged. Jay 💬 09:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Arlyson Gomes

Hi Liz, vide Arlyzinho BR, name variation of Arlyson Gomes. Thanks 79a (talk) 13:35, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Tetramind

Hi Liz! I don't know why I was looking but I noticed you removed my G4 tag from Draft:Tetramind, mentioning that WP:G4 doesn't apply to drafts. The CSD reads that draftspace is excepted "where the content was converted to a draft for explicit improvement (but not simply to circumvent Wikipedia's deletion policy)" (emphasis added). This draft was clearly circumvention of the deletion discussion: the draft creator made the only two comments supporting draftification in the discussion and tried to move it while the discussion was open, and then created the identical draft anyway a week after the discussion closed. They even copied the {{advert}} tag from the deleted article (their only edit to the draft since was removing it) so they obviously made a copy somewhere. Would you reconsider? Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:14, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

• @Ivanvector: I don't think we can say that the sole reason for moving to draft was to circumvent deletion. Maybe the editor has a good faith intent to improve the draft, but hasn't gotten around to it. I would suggest restoring the {{advert}} and cautioning the editor against removing it until the issues are independently determined to have been resolved, and leaving it be. It is quite likely that the draft will end up abandoned anyway. BD2412 T 16:18, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
• Note: I went ahead and restored the tag with that instruction. BD2412 T 16:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I am substantially in agreement with Ivanvector. I saw your edit, Liz, and considered commenting on it to you, for a couple of reasons, including the fact that "G4 doesn't apply to Draft space" is far too broad and general a statement, but decided to leave it; however, now that I see that there has been further discussion I have decided to add my comment. BD2412, you say "I don't think we can say that the sole reason for moving to draft was to circumvent deletion". Well, no, we can't: we can never be certain that we know the whole of another editor's motivation for an action, but taking account of the whole history, I think we can reasonably be confident that that is the main effect of the re-creation. I would myself have deleted it if Liz hadn't got there first, but it is clear that there is nothing like a consensus to do so, so it should remain for now. I am also surprised that none of you picked up the fact that it is an unattributed copy of the deleted article. I have rectified that by a dummy edit with attribution in the edit summary. JBW (talk) 20:22, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks all, I think this is a constructive approach. Regarding attribution: I actually think that the restored draft is a copy of an earlier revision of the draft, when the creator was at the time the sole editor, so maybe attribution didn't need to be repaired. Better to over-attribute than under-attribute, I suppose. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 21:29, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ivanvector: I confess I merely compared the draft with the last version before deletion, without checking the earlier editing history, and I saw it was virtually identical, but, prompted by your comment here, I have now checked the rest of the editing history. In fact there never were any substantial edits by anyone else, so I suppose attribution is not really important, but the new draft does incorporate a few changes made to the article by other editors, although only very minor ones. JBW (talk) 21:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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Citations for templates

Hi Liz, hope you're doing well. I have a question about an issue I'm considering bringing to RfC. I noticed that there was a significant spike in articles tagged as unreferenced in the past two months and realized that an editor had been tagging Canadian election templates (this, for example) as unreferenced and this was tagging the entire article as unreferenced. Many of these Canadian election templates were created by one editor over a year ago and they have remained largely unedited and unreferenced without issue until recently. It has created a weird patchwork of some templates tagged, most not tagged, and a surplus of otherwise well-sourced articles as being considered entirely unreferenced with duplicate redundant and inaccurate tags. I'm not sure if there's anything to be done other than to provide a citation for each template as it's been tagged but I wasn't sure if there's a specific guideline for how to cite templates or if it follows the same rules as citing articles. Any clarification you can offer would be much appreciated. Best, Kazamzam (talk) 20:47, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

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Revdel request

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKoavf&diff=1187241241&oldid=1187189885

Thanks. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 02:26, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Koavf,

Just appalling. I saw your message earlier and I saw the other editor has already been indefinitely blocked. Sorry you had to receive that abuse. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:55, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

No worries, L--my work here has made me a target for a bunch of gross trolls, but I can deal with them. Merci and be well. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello

I would like to request article link Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bahari Ibaadat (2nd nomination)

to be restored to draft for improvement I would like ot work on it thank you Jessica9B9 (talk) 02:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Jessica9B9,

Ordinarily, I would consider this request. But this page has received full protection by another administrator, User:Materialscientist, so it is highly unlikely that an article on this subject will ever be in the main space of the project. It also has been consistently recreated by sockpuppets, which I hope you aren't. You can approach Materialscientist to see if they are willing to lift protection on this page title. And then I can consider restoring this article.

If you have questions about AFDs or page protection, please bring them to the Teahouse. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:01, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you I’ll request Materialscientist hopefully they will Jessica9B9 (talk) 03:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

I just want to put a note that this topic was active for almost 9 years till some Sockpuppet eiditing it and then recreated it Jessica9B9 (talk) 03:11, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Requesting a withdrawal for an AfD

Hi! I decided to withdraw an AfD I initiated, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/6AQ5. There are several who agreed with my initial deletion request, so I don't know if withdrawal here means the AfD is qualified as a speedy close. However, if it is, I would greatly appreciate you taking that action. Best, ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Pbritti,

I see you posted your withdrawal statement which is about all you can do at this point. There are several editors arguing for a page deletion so this AFD can not be closed until it is closed by an administrator since it might involve deletion. I'll take a look at it and keep your change of opinion in mind. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Ah, figured that may be the case. Thank you for checking! ~ Pbritti (talk) 13:03, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

United Semiconductor Japan

Hi, Liz. I just created an English version of United Semiconductor Japan, but it was deleted. Why? Currently, the site of the parent company United Microelectronics Corporation is linked, but can it be reinstated? Take242106 (talk) 08:20, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Request observed a art file made from copyrighted tv movie from article Draupadi

The file File:Draupadi, the empress from Mahabharata by Aman Varma.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Draupadi,_the_empress_from_Mahabharata_by_Aman_Varma.jpg actually a digital painting from Mahabharat Stories | B. R. Chopra | EP – 46 original screenshot(Time frame 38:36), A drawing or painting made from copyrighted serial --Nimburaj (talk) 17:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Nimburaj,

I don't see that I deleted this file but there is a deletion discussion at the Commons which you can see here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:39, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Deletion of Jeddah Internation School

Hi Liz! I was shocked to see my school's page deleted? May you please share why, thanks! 2001:16A2:F0CF:F300:1C66:4630:68A2:11C (talk) 18:18, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

This is me, but I registered now. Awaiting your response! Zainiieeee (talk) 18:27, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Zainiieeee,

Can you give me a link to the deleted page? Then I can see why it was deleted. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:36, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darren_Harris_(law_enforcement_Officer)

Hello, a speedy deletion was declined by an admin with 17 years as a wikipedian Yesterday. Your tag seems controversial Comintell (talk) 01:31, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Comintell,

The article is Darren Harris (law enforcement officer). I don't think it's controversial but I didn't notice it had already been tagged for speedy deletion and declined. I'll take it to WP:AFD instead. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Well Liz, if that's really how you feel I understand. Comintell (talk) 01:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi! I was just on your page for something else and noted this. I should have pinged you, but Harris is now at AfD independently of this conversation. Apologies Star Mississippi 01:54, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Kosovo Air Force

You recently closed the AfD for Kosovo Air Force as delete, but Eron Lushaj seems to have kept a backup on their userpage and has recreated the article. There is currently an ANI discussion involving this user. ZLEA _T\^C 02:54, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, ZLEA,

Thanks for letting me know. I'll check out the ANI discussion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:10, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I tagged the article for speedy deletion, CSD G4. I'd rather have another administrator take action since I just closed the AFD discussion and deleted the article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:16, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Re:Aadam Hamed

Hi Liz! First of all, let me apologize for the late reply, 4 days after you wrote me.My arthritis and neuropaty sometimes make me take days to answer. Second, let me tell you, how happy I am to be writing to a fellow woman, as you know, Im transgender but i considered myself a woman ever since I was about 3 years old, my whole life! Im on the Women in Red project etc, etc, im a feminist...i watched Sex and the City religiously with my sister and we laughed hard, I love the Spice Girls and Kitty, the women's heavy metal band...and Im also a huge boxing fan and with that also women's boxing. So anyways...Aadam Hamed...he only has one professional fight and did not win any significant medals as an amateur so boxing notability guidelines would disqualify him so far for Wikipedia because it says that the boxer must win a medal at an IOC-recognized competition or be ranked among the top ten in his or her division at some point in his or her pro career. That said, he is the son of a legendary boxer (God was I a huge fan of his father in the 90s!) but notability is not inherited...I mean my article about the princess from Tonga who was born a couple of years ago was deleted and redirected to her dad and that's a princess we are talking about!

Inexplicably, it seems that no one wants to put Aadam for deletion or on a redirect discussion here. i went to read the deletion page but there are so many things to read and i really don't read them too much because all the rules are so long to read and everything it takes about 10 minutes to read all that and to me that's too much. i used to be an administrator and decided to step down precisely because of that. Ok, now I know I'm here doing the same thing, writing too much , lol so yeah. It's too much for me to read, all the Wikipedia protocols and rules, and etc. I tried to put the page on AFD but for some reason it was not showing up when I clicked on the preview button. Maybe we should put it on AFR discussion but I dont know how to do that.

I think that a redirection to his dad's article, until he himself becomes ranked in the top ten someday, should be the adequate measure to take, but I want to take it to a discussion before i do that. I just dont know how to do that, because when i attempted to make a deletion discussion, it was not showing up on the AFD page.

Well, thanks for chatting with me about Hamed and God bless! Happy holidays (if you celebrate them)

Yours truly, Jeanette Ann Martin is on fire (que me dijiste tu?) 08:34, Nov. 30, 2923 (UTC)

Restoration Request

Hi Liz, good day to you. I am requesting for Constant Okello-Obura page to be restored so that more work can be done on it! Thank You in advance. Micheal Kaluba (talk) 09:08, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Liz, I am following on this. Thank You! Micheal Kaluba (talk) 10:02, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

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Question Re Deleted Draft:SOTI

Hello Liz, I hope you are well. My name is Connor, I work at SOTI and am looking to submit a new version of the Draft: SOTI. I have done extensive research on Wikipedia guidelines for and taken your advice from the previous talk page to make refinements and create a new draft with reliable sources to be submitted through the AFC. Before submitting the new draft I am uncertain whether I can submit under the same draft name, I wanted to reach out to you In hopes you would be able to please help confirm how I am able to submit this new draft through AFC with the old one deleted due to abandonment? CKMarket (talk) 18:35 December 1, 2023 (UTC) Hi Liz, I just wanted to reach out again on this question hoping you could please help? 8:11 December 11, 2023 CKMarket (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 13:12, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Totally random Admin outreach.

Greetings - I usually go under the name of BeingObjective - I recently decided better to stop any further efforts to contribute to this initiative, I am a US based physician - I hit bumps from the get go - why am I telling you this? I did contribute a lot in a short time - but likely just a handful of attacks from a few individuals have been persistent - user WikiLinuz seemed to go on the attack before I even understood a single policy - I will not return to the platform, it is not worth the grief - perhaps indeed it is a temperament issue - I do think an objective review of how I was chased off the platform is worth an effort - I might simply not be a good fit, but wow the overt hostility and games played in this environment - simply staggering.

Cheers - 172.220.81.119 (talk) 05:23, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

• Liz, I've mentioned you at WP:ANI#User:BeingObjective.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:38, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Editor experience invitation

Hi Liz :) I'm looking for people to interview here. Feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 10:00, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

User_talk:RoySmith#Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ujawal_Jha_(2nd_nomination)

Thanked you here for the cleanup help. As always, much appreciated. Hope you're doing well. Star Mississippi 14:15, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Quick question

Hello Liz, are the sub-catagories enough to create a main category? For an example, we have Category:Amapiano songs, Category:Amapiano albums, and Category:Amapiano musicians. Can I create Category:Amapiano or the sub-cats are not enough yet? dxneo (talk) 22:31, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, dxneo,

Yes, you can have a parent category that contains child categories and there are some that only contain categories and no articles. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

That was fast, thank you so so much you've been helpful since day one. dxneo (talk) 22:38, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, I either respond right away or it otherwise takes me awhile. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:39, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

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I would like to report User:Jyotira Aditya for their recent edit on my talk page - [20]. I reversed a couple of their unhelpful edits and declined their draft, which clearly seemed like self-promotion, as seen here -> [21]. This action led to them accusing me of racism. I want to clarify that my stance was never against white people as a whole, but specifically against white supremacists. Despite this, User:Jyotira Aditya made inappropriate remarks on my talk page, which they might have inferred from my userpage. Quantum^Realm (meow🦁 • pawtrack🐾) 14:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @QuantumRealm: You're probably looking for a Wikipedia noticeboard. I think you might want to see the Administrator's Incidents noticeboard as well. Rusty4321 ^{talk contribs} 01:42, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

I believe that's also what you were told on another talkpage. Rusty4321 ^{talk contribs} 01:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

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File:Savez izviđača Hrvatske.svg

Hi Liz. Could you restore the older version of File:Savez izviđača Hrvatske.svg that you just deleted. The file's non-free licensing was under discussion at WP:MCQ#File:Savez izviđača Hrvatske.svg and I have converted it to {{PD-ineligible-USonly}} per that discussion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:50, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, User:Marchjuly,

I tried to restore the version but it looks like you asked someone else for help because the editing system said it had already been done. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:11, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Strange. I only asked you. Perhaps someone else found it on their own. Anyway, my apologies for mixup. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:31, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Marchjuly,

Well, maybe it was me! I was working on my phone and sometimes the edits go through with incorrect notification. I did one page move the other day and it turns out the move went on 5 times, all with the same time stamp, than ended up deleting the page completely. Just let me know whether you have access to the version you need. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:45, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

It was Minorax. They also do lots of work in the file namespace and probably just found it either on their own or via MCQ. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:48, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

December 2023

Hi Liz, I'm reaching out to inquire about the possibility of restoring an article on my User Page. It was deleted due to insufficient sources and content. During that period, my activity on Wikipedia was limited, leading to a lack of attention to the article's improvement. I want to highlight my increased involvement now and draw your attention to a similar article I've created, titled Works of Zakariyya Kandhlawi. Inspired by this, I am eager to dedicate time to enhancing Abdul Majid Daryabadi's bibliography. I kindly request your assistance in restoring the deleted article to my user page. Thanks.–MinisterOfReligion ^(Talk) 01:58, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

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Swaddled infant votive page

I have attempted to address the issues for which you put the tag on the page. If I have done it satisfactorily will you remove the tag, if not will you pleaase, leave me a message in the talk? thank you WikiTikiTavi63 (talk) 16:26, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Sudan–Yugoslavia relations-removal of successor states categories

Hi Liz, you invited me to discuss the issue of additional categories in the article Sudan–Yugoslavia relations stating that you disagree (here). I must admit that I was a bit surprised so I created a new section at the talk page (HERE) at 17:39, 8 December 2023 (or corresponding time zone). I mentioned you there so you should have received the notification, but I just saw now that you had a couple of edits since my post on the talk page. So, just in case you missed the notification for any reason I wanted to let you know here as well so that you can also share the reason you removed mentioned categories and invited me to discuss it on the talk page. Best wishes. MirkoS18 (talk) 18:47, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, MirkoS18,

I don't look at my "pings", for a variety of reasons, so I appreciate you informing me of this discussion. I will look at it later tonight. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:02, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Liz, just wanted to check if you are still interested in the topic and intend to participate in discussion on the talk page? I understand that at least on surface it might seem as an edit of marginal importance, yet it may have some effects beyond the article in question. I would of course like to reinstate deleted categories before they themselves are removed for being empty, but I am not sure what was the core of your disagreement and I want to avoid any disruptive editing. It's primarily not clear for me what is the meritum of disagreement as you left the category of one successor state, while at the same time you removed some categories which are not nominated for deletion. Therefore it is a bit unclear as you don't necessarily disagree with the basis on which I reinstated categories and you didn't remove just those nominated for deletion. Previous editor removed them as an action of trol actor without evaluating each contribution on its own. I can understand that, but later on I as a long term editor figured that some actions of the unregistered contributor were in fact useful.--MirkoS18 (talk) 12:56, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Restore article history behind redirect?

Hi Liz! Hope you are well. I have evaluated coverage for Special:History/Hera Agathon and believe there is sufficient SIGCOV across academic/educational books to support an article (for help referencing I've started Bibliography of Battlestar Galactica). I intend to write such an article and would benefit from the prior contributions of other editors.

You appropriately closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hera Agathon (2nd nomination) as "delete and redirect". There was also an editor in support for a pure redirect (and one neutral). Given what I have found, I was hoping you could restore the history behind the redirect. I promise not to restore the article over the redirect without adding and citing sources that demonstrate notability. Thanks for reading. —siroχo 00:11, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

This is what WP:deletion review is for, no? Admins can't unilaterally reverse AfD consensus. Mach61 (talk) 00:40, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, siro,

No, we can't revert AFD decisions, Mach61. Deletion review is if an editor thinks an AFD closure was done inappropiately and wants the article restored to main space or the AFD relisted. But admin closers can restore a deleted article to Draft space if it's understood that the draft can not be moved to main space and it must go through AFC for review. Let me think about this, siro, review the AFD and look at the deleted article. I'll get back to you tonight or tomorrow. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:00, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes draft would be perfectly fine. I am indeed hoping to avoid putting editors through DRV for something that needn't be contentious. Before going to REFUND for a draft, I figured I'd reach out to the closing admin. (I also figured restoring under the redirect would be simpler than a draft, but I am fine with a draft) Much thanks for reviewing. —siroχo 03:20, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Mohamed Firuzul Abdullah Haleel

Well if that isn't the smallest surprise ever. I spent .02 seconds looking for other boloney as I couldn't remember who the likely master was. Glad someone found it. Star Mississippi 02:05, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Star Mississippi,

What is the surprise, that I relisted that discussion or that another new editor at AFD was found to be a sockpuppet? They don't seem to be a sockpuppet of the supposed sockmaster though. We'll see what the friendly folks at SPI find out on that issue.

Have a good weekend! More rain and rain here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:15, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

I've probably become a little too jaded as we know there are experienced IPs who ultimately create accounts but someone who finds AfD on their 3rd day? Always pinging my sock radar.

Rain here too. Unseasonable weather, but I'll take it. Star Mississippi 02:18, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Star Mississippi,

Since we're on the subject, what do you think of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hashem Al-Ghaili? The new editor provide an explanation for why they created an account and headed straight to AFD. Am I gullible for accepting this rationale? Or just extending good faith? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:22, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

I don't buy it one bit. It seems plausible, but a little too contrived. On the other hand, they're right. Al-Ghaili does not appear to be notable in science or other aspects of N:BIO and there's a lot of ref spam (also at the AfD) to plump up where there isn't substance. Star Mississippi 02:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Vandalism at the article 'Bangladesh Genocide.'

Hello Liz, I hope this message finds you well. I am reaching out to you because I observed that you have previously engaged in editing and contributing to Bangladesh Genocide. Unfortunately, the article has been recently vandalized. As a newcomer to Wikipedia, I am seeking guidance on the appropriate tools and methods to address this issue. Despite initiating several discussions on the talk page, I (and a couple of other editors) couldn't resolve this issue. Your assistance in navigating this situation would be greatly appreciated.

Ongoing Discussion: Disruptive edits Arfaz (chat) | 10:17, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Requesting the restoration of Ōmagatoki article

I was searching for the Ōmagatoki article and after a hard time trying to know why it had been deleted (had to go to French article on this where a link for the deleted English page had not been deleted, so I could see who deleted and why). You said it had to be deleted because "it was just dusk", but Ōmagatoki isn't merely the dusk phenomenon, but also a japanese folklore (that was the whole point of the article). It was a very short article so I understand if you decide to not restore it, but I just wanted to point out that your reason to delete it was somewhat mistaken. Thank you for your time and I'm sorry for any inconvenience. Pethblake (talk) 10:31, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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King of Wales AfD

Hi Liz, I posted a reply at the AfD but realised you may not see it (per your comments) so here it is:

Oh, I was not suggesting the relisting comments are unhelpful. Indeed, when you ask editors to focus on, e.g., the appropriate redirect target, or you focus on where the lack of consensus lies (e.g. between deletion or merge) the comments are very helpful. You asked for editors familiar with GEOLAND to comment once which was also very helpful. I was merely pointing out that in this comment, you say about the same numbers. Thus my comment. In any case the relist has precipitated A.D.Hope's comments, which are useful to the discussion, inasmuch as regardless of outcome, they indicate how discussion should proceed on Titles in medieval Wales.

Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 16:46, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Barnstar

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Talk:Developmental coordination disorder

Hi Liz. Just wondering why you did this? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:05, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, MSGJ,

Because a few of your edits and Cewbot's edits, ended up putting some talk pages in category redirect pages that were broken redirects. Categories like Category:Start-Class vital articles in Biological and health sciences, Category:Wikipedia level-5 vital articles in Biological and health sciences and Category:Stub-Class vital articles in Biological and health sciences. Category redirects should not contain any pages in them, they have to be empty categories. And because they were redirects pointing to target categories that had been deleted, category redirects that point to deleted categories are also deleted as broken redirects. So, I did what I did to remove any of the pages from them before deleting these broken category redirects. If you want to figure out an alternative solution, feel free to revert my edits. I admittedly don't know much about the tagging of talk pages so I just reverted the most recent edit to the page which seemed to cause the problem. Sorry for the inconvenience. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Ah I see. This should all be sorted now, hopefully! In future, if you could give an edit summary like "revert because it populates a non-existent category" or similar, that would be very helpful. Best wishes — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:31, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Update: it turns out this is not fixed yet! So you have found an inconsistency that needs to be resolved. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:43, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

COIN

As you were the admin who originally deleted Jishnu Raghavan based on my G5 request, just wanted to give you a heads up about this COIN filing. CNMall41 (talk) 09:31, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carl Tatz

Hey Liz, I wanted to seek some further guidance before making any more moves on the articles bundled at the Carl Tatz deletion discussion. Am I correct in reading Wikipedia:Proposed deletion of biographies of living people § Background that All improperly sourced articles about living people may be subject to deletion per the standard deletion processes, but in addition, biographies that do not contain at least one source directly supporting the material may also be proposed for deletion under this process means that I could simultaneously tag the BLPs with {{BLPPROD}} even as the... umm, messy AfD discussion continues above? Would that have been a better way to handle the process than my comment for closing admin on the AfD page? Further, is there any other suggestions or comments you have in regard to that process? I ask here so as to not further derail the discussion but feel free to point me back to the AfD page if you think that anyone reviewing the whole process would benefit from seeing your response. Kindly, microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish·growths)} 15:02, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Why?

I just wanna know why you have been deleting so much articles? AQuebecBoy (talk) 23:49, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, AQuebecBoy,

Well, it's part of the work that administrators do. I'm not picking out random articles to delete, almost all of the page deletions I do are articles, drafts, categories or files tagged by other editors as CSD speedy deletions, as the outcome of an AFD deletion discussion or a Proposed deletion. Many of the pages I delete are expired drafts, CSD G13s, which, by our policy guidelines, are deleted six months after the last human edit to the draft. These drafts are typically not tagged, they are just deleted after their "expiration date" passes. As an administrator, I do end up deleting a fair number of pages but there are admins who are more active than I (see User:JamesR/AdminStats).

I wonder how you even happen to come across my deletion log though. I looked at your User talk page and contributions and you haven't had any articles or drafts deleted so I didn't delete a page you created or even worked on. Did you just happen to be looking at the master Deletion log and happened to spot my username? I just wonder how I came to your attention. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:02, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

110.175.51.198

Hi Liz,

Thanks for actioning that copyvio CSD. This article was created by a banned user (see [22]), so their IP could use a block if you are willing. I'll have to check if they uploaded any additional copyright violations under this IP, their IP address typically rotates at least once a week. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 02:25, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Trainsandotherthings,

I ended up deleting that page as a CSD G12, not a G5. I'm kind of a stickler for G5s, I like to see that the page creator has been blocked as a sockpuppet of a block-evading editor before fulfilling a CSD request but that can be a challenge with IP accounts that jump around. Both IPs do geolocate to the same general area of Australia. As for a block, you might approach an admin who is familiar with this sockmaster. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:28, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Regarding the "More citations needed" tag on Slaughter of Turushkas near Ajmer

Hello, I noticed that you added a "More citations needed" tag to the Slaughter of Turushkas near Ajmer article. I wanted to discuss the tag and address any concerns you may have. I believe that the information in the article is adequately sourced, and I have taken care to include reliable sources to support the content. If there are specific sections or statements you find lacking in citations, could you please point them out? Gspgoat^(talk) 08:44, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Regarding Jay Bloom.

Hello, Ma Liz. Thanks for.tour regards to Jay Bloom article. I have closed the speedy deletion tag with an option of clean up. A mere google search showed sources that are independent of the subject and reliable too. It's just cleanup and rewriting. Thanks and see what I can do to restore the page in an encyclopaediaec form. Best, Mastashat (talk) 08:54, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Re: "Quantity of nonreliable sources"

For the avoidance of doubt: I fully endorse your closure of WP:Articles for deletion/Write-only language. My comment about "quantity of nonreliable sources" was inspired by an old version of WP:RS, which states, If multiple independent sources agree and they have either no strong reason to be biased, or their biases are at cross purposes, then you may have a reliable account.. It does, however, go on to limit this by saying, However, bear in mind that we only report what reliable publications publish. So, at least in 2006, a preponderance of questionable sources could have been used to establish a reliable account of the facts, as long as those sources were independent of each other, but not to report based on such findings.

Our current WP:RS also notes the importance of citation counts for academic work as a prima facie indicator of reliability. Not really relevant to that AfD, of course, but an example of how quantity is sometimes a useful proxy for quality, when it comes to assessing source reliability.

Anyway, I love your approach to handling AfDs. Keep up the good work! Owen× ☎ 12:43, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Re: "Deleted Draft - SOTI"

Hello Liz, Last year in July you gave me the advice to start an article from scratch as it had been declined too many times. You can find our conversation regarding this here: [23]. I have since been working with my colleague CKMarket to gather the best parts of the article and start fresh as you advised. He has attempted to submit a fresh draft article for creation but was informed that he must reach out to you as there is an existing deleted draft in the same name: Draft:SOTI. Since we cannot submit a fresh draft as you recommended, what should we do in this case? Here is more info from a comment he left on your talk page regarding this issue: [24]. Thank you in advance for your help. Fab Colab (talk) 14:58 December 12, 2023

Hello, Fab Colab,

I'm not sure I understand the problem. There is no draft at Draft:SOTI so you can move a page there from User pages that you've been working on or just start a new article on this empty page. Maybe if you give me more details I'll better understand the problem. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Liz, thank you for responding. To provide more context, my colleague CKMarket receives this message when entering the draft name SOTI on the Articles For Creation page, “If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the user(s) who performed the action(s) listed below.” [25] We wanted to clarify whether submitting a fresh draft under the same name was acceptable, as some of the content remains similar because it was pulled from the best parts of a previous draft. Thank you again in advance for your help. Fab Colab (talk) 12:24 December 13, 2023 — Preceding undated comment added 17:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Delete move notice and new username from old userpage

Hi Liz, my user and talk pages were recently moved by j. ansari at my request. However, it has left a reference (URL link) of my new username and page in the move notice on the deleted old page. Can you please remove this move reference notice (specifically my new username) from my old user page (user:ronyrockford)? As such I have deleted my new user and talk pages too but would like to have any references removed from old page for privacy. Thank you Keepit real (talk) 21:02, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Keepit real,

I did a revision delete of the edit summary of the username move. I'm not sure if that takes care of your concern. I do not like to alter log entries so I'm not sure how much further I should go here. You might also contact the admin who handled the renaming if my action wasn't sufficient, they might be more up-to-date on on how much we can alter user page logs. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:16, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Liz,

thank you very much for your prompt response. I have tried to get in touch with @J_ansari multiple times but he hasn't responded in his talk page, although he is clearly active as evident from his user contributions. I've also noticed that he is a newly added into the global renamer category and is not experienced in this moving pages.

Furthermore, I also noticed other people raising similar complaints regarding their page move and he has still not responded to their message either. I also noticed you have left a message on his talk page some time back. Can you please intervene and sort out this issue?

All I ask is removal of any mention my new name in the old deleted page. Currently there is a move notice on @ronyrockford which mentions the new name @sanfrancisco94016 and this can be used for doxxing. Thank you. Keepit real (talk) 20:33, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Embassy of the United States, Windhoek

I was looking at this closure and think the consensus was delete not redirect? LibStar (talk) 22:27, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

@LibStar: I !voted "Delete" on that AfD, but am satisfied with the result as Redirect. There's nothing in the page history which specifically requires to be erased. Owen× ☎ 22:34, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, LibStar,

There is some leeway given to deletion discussion closers and I decided that this ATD, alternative to deletion, was appropriate. If you feel strongly about this decision, you can take this closure to Wikipedia:Deletion review and make an argument there that this page should be deleted. Personally, I find DRV to be an often unpleasant and time-consuming experience but I should mention that it is an alternative avenue to appeal an AFD closure you disagree with. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Misconception of Wikipedia Law, Question and inquiry

Hello Ma Liz, you declined the speedy deletion tag I added to this page, Okiemute with an edit summary that it has been editing by a lot of editors including Admins. But I wonder how possible a sock article will still be on Wikipedia even after conformation. We should remember this is a community where law are kept as it is. I humbly need more explanation pls. Best, Mastashat (talk) 02:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Mastashat,

The important element to know is that CSD are very specific and limited. For CSD G5, please review Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G5. Creations by banned or blocked users. Among the comment, it states This applies to pages created by banned or blocked users in violation of their ban or block, and that have no substantial edits by others. So, most pages that are deleted as CSD G5s have only or the primary contributions by the block-evading sockpuppet and no or few contributions from other editors. If other editors have made contributions to an article, it would not be a valid CSD G5 deletion.

G5s are actually one of the trickier CSD criteria, you have to know who the sockmaster is and the article has to be created after the sockmaster has been identified and blocked. So, you need to look at the date and time of article creation and the date and time that the sockmaster and the sockpuppet has been blocked. Just because this article doesn't qualify for a CSD G5 doesn't mean that it shouldn't be deleted. It just doesn't fit the G5 criteria.

I hope this explains things a bit more. If you have other questions about Wikipedia's different forms of deletion, the Teahouse is a very helpful place. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:55, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much @Liz. Also find a way of helping in correcting me. Remember, this user assumes good faith. Best, Mastashat (talk) 03:04, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

BHOJPURI CINEMA

Wikipedia is not the originator of Bhojpuri Producer. That person has given me all the data. This is the person who will take the Bhojpuri industry forward. He has given me the data. Will you make it at the proper level? So send all data on mail send you your mail address. He holds a high position in the elite establishment of Bollywood Ashvin29 (talk) 21:10, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hi, @Ashvin29:. Based on your work listed, I was able to see that you have edited Wikipedia pages for films you have been directly involved in. I would ask that you read WP:COI and WP:PAID and make the appropriate disclosure if applicable. While editing Wikipedia while having a conflict of interest is not forbidden, I agree with your userpage message about transparency which is required for those with a conflict of interest. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:03, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Dreamybull

Good evening Liz,

I am hoping to create an article about a quite peculiar subject that you may have heard of named "Dreamybull". To summarize, Dreamybull is currently a well-known internet personality who started becoming shared in memes as a result of him "erratically emitting comically humorous noises"—as I will phrase it in order to not disturb you with unasked NSFW content. I have noticed that you previously deleted somebody else's article about this subject (Dreamybull), and I would like to inquire with you if I may make an attempt at reproducing this article.

Thank you, XX bosniangamer69 Xx (talk) 00:47, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Request to draft Yash Aradhya as AfC

Hi Liz,

Greetings! I am David from India and interested in Indian sports persons, specially motorsports and hockey. I saw that a good talent and national champion in karting and multiple winner in formula races, Yash Aradhya, was deleted previously.

I am wondering if can start a draft at AfC and submit. Is it permitted.

thanks and regards, Davidindia (talk) 13:08, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Request for free repression of oneself from Chinese Wiki users and prevention of near-inflicted personal attacks and stalking

Dear Administrator @Liz,

I commenced my contributions to Wikipedia a few months ago, editing across Korean, English, Japanese, and more recently in Chinese. Regrettably, I have been unfairly blocked due to unsubstantiated allegations of association with an account dating back five years. My editorial efforts have been focused on objectively rectifying inaccuracies, notably those misrepresenting Koreans as part of China, employing scholarly research and official Chinese sources for factual correctness. My contributions have strictly adhered to objectivity, involving no propagandist content but rather relying on objective and even official data.

Despite these endeavors, I have found myself the subject of baseless accusations and what seems akin to a witch hunt. An Chinese wiki stalker has warned of further sanctions, threatening to a block on my editing privileges in English, Japanese, and Korean editions of Wikipedia.

Moreover, I am facing challenges from an account that seems to be engaging in stalking behaviors, erroneously accusing me of making threats, whereas my sole intention has been to discourage edits that might negatively impact Korea-China relations. This situation has escalated to unfounded personal attacks and the use of derogatory labels against me.

In light of these circumstances, I seek guidance on the most appropriate course of action. My commitment is to continue contributing positively, neutrally, and constructively to Wikipedia in Korean, English, and Japanese. Would it be advisable to report this matter to Wikipedia’s main office? I appreciate your assistance in this regard.

Additionally, please review the attached link [26] for further context on the challenges I am encountering. I am earnestly seeking redress for what feels like unjust oppression, including attempts to stifle my freedom of speech and editorial rights. Your intervention and support in this matter would be immensely valued.

Thank you for your attention and assistance. Oakwoodic (talk) 16:30, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

[27](Chinese) [28] (English) This is a link which is written by Chinese stalker alleging a plot to dictatorially restrict my freedom of speech in English, Japanese, and Korean, based on claims that my arguments are similar to those of a other Korean user in Chinese wikipedia from five years ago. This is baseless, and it is already evident that I am a separate individual unrelated to the situation. However, I am repeatedly being baselessly threatened for having a different opinion. Thank you. Oakwoodic (talk) 16:35, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Afd

I noticed you closed this AfD as keep. In proposing deletion, I stated that there was not WP:SIGCOV of this individual from multiple sources. None of the keep votes provided any sources that would show otherwise. Why did you decide that "keep" was the best outcome for this discussion? VR _talk 02:50, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Liz:, please let me know.VR _talk 15:50, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

About Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Google APIs

Dear Liz, I don't mean to bother you more about this, I just want to check - did I do the withdrawal correctly? I noticed that it was not closed after three days with no further comments, I can try closing it myself but I'm just worried I will make a mistake as I haven't done it before. I have XFDCloser enabled but I've never used it and I'm not sure which buttons and what to write to fill it out correctly. Do you know how to try XFDCloser in the sandbox so I can be more comfortable with using it?

And sorry again about causing the confusion in its discussion. May I ask for your advice? What do you think I should have done differently in the situation? Do you think it was a mistake at the time of nomination to include both articles together even though they seemed related to me initially? Thank you Darcyisverycute (talk) 04:23, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Darcyisverycute, I properly closed it for you. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 04:35, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. Darcyisverycute (talk) 05:25, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Egyptian conquest of Tunisia and Tripoli

Hi Liz the editor who created this article has just blanked the AfD page and taken the AfD tag off the article. Mccapra (talk) 12:08, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

No worries someone else has intervened. Mccapra (talk) 12:57, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Question on deletion

Hello,

While I believe I've read the relevant guideline pages about deletion and consensus, I'm relatively new to AfD so I would appreciate some clarification on your recent closure of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beep the Meep. That is, there definitely seemed to be a consensus to merge/redirect the page, but at least to me it didn't seem like there was a consensus on what the existing page should be. The OP suggested two possible options, and other users either agreed with those or agreed without specifying, and I had my own suggestion. While my suggestion wasn't the one chosen for the closure, I care less about that and more about how- at least to me- it didn't seem like a consensus had been reached yet.

And I'm aware consensus isn't just a vote; I just didn't sense much agreement on a particular option. But, a week had indeed passed, so was choosing one of a few options of a generally agreed-upon course of action a use of "rough consensus"? (If so, I feel that could be made clearer. And is an immediate closure based on rough consensus preferable to allowing a discussion to go on a bit longer?) Or is there something else I am missing? Thanks. Chubby Bub (talk) 22:42, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Uncontroversial Technical move

@Liz please move Opinion polling for the next Indian general election on the lines of 2024 Indian general election. The title defines the need. ShaanSengupta^Talk 05:29, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Apologies!

Hi, Liz! Sorry, I misread your A10 nomination here, compared it to this instead, only later realised that that's a redirect. If the outcome (two draftifications, followed by one redirect) seems wrong to you, do please adjust as you think fit. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:44, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Quick question

Hello L, there's a forthcoming studio album Tyla by Tyla which is preceded by two singles "Water" and its remix. However the artist/label released three (promo) songs which most probably sum up a 5 track EP as multiple RS and the singer's socials and interviews say it is, and the EP is to he included in the forthcoming album, so would it make sense if i created a standalone article for the EP? I don't know if I make sense but you can see Talk:Tyla (album)#EP or album? for more clarity. Your help will be highly appreciated. dxneo (talk) 01:55, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

The Crackpet Show

Hi! Re: this, unfortunately I can't. Maybe @Ferret can shed some light on it as they blocked both 199.119.232.210 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) and 2A07:23C0:8:E000:0:0:0:8B74 (talk · contribs · (/64) · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) and I can't keep the tv socks straight as I just said to DoubleGrazing. I guess another sock will be along soon enough, or G13 will take care of the nonsense. I really wish they'd find a new hobby. Star Mississippi 20:31, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

@Liz, @Star Mississippi: Not a checkuser answer. But behavioral evidence is that this set of IPs and Bearcoolreal94 belong to Minecraftgamerpc69. It could be another master, but it's definitely an LTA. Geolocate data does point towards Minecraftgamerpc69 though. -- ferret (talk) 20:36, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight and education. CUs fascinate me for myriad reasons, but de-tangling the TV socks is amazing. Star Mississippi 21:11, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

Alpha lemur

Please could you just wait for a minute or, whatever... There could be a reason for the delay that might just hope you could allow... I had been the organiser of the material on meta in years past, and I am trying tocatchup with lemur in real life and being unable to converse on the, issue.just. yet. Please have a safe and prosperous christmas, and a happy new year - keep up the good work JarrahTree 02:35, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, JarrahTree,

I'd be happy to help, just tell me the page you are concerned about, a link would be helpful. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:37, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Very kind of you - the WMAU chapter record is a dogs breakfast, imho - in that I have in the past contributed to the issue, and I just noticed this am some redirects to meta, and I used to also have things to do with the issues with the chapter record there - I hadnt realised what is going on and was

hoping for real time interaction, however I had not seen when the category was created before jumping, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_meetups_in_Australia_2024 will be populated once the issues are carefully addressed about what the hell is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_meetups_in_Australia in the scheme of things. It is beyond help in one sense, but thanks for the offer... I think I need to put the meetups into years sub cats inside the generic main cat for anything to make sense. I sure I hope I get beyond the answering machine to resolve all of this. Thanks. JarrahTree 02:46, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, JarrahTree,

So, you are concerned about Category:Wikipedia meetups in Australia 2024? It was tagged simply for being an empty category. This happens every day. It sits in a holding category for 7 days and if it is still empty after a week, it is deleted. If, during the week, it is no longer empty, then the tag is removed. But categories that are deleted for being empty can be recreated AT ANY TIME they become necessary. So, please, no worries. Nothing is going to happen for a week. Maybe look at other Wikimedia chapters and see how they are categorized and organized. Good luck. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:52, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to explain. It should be populated today I hope. Thanks for your understanding. JarrahTree 03:13, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Yeji

I am sorry for the other day i did make a mistake by tagging a wrong csd tag on the article,but the article on the topic already exists and there is nothing to merge and the content is copy pasted from the draft which already exists. K-Pop contributor (✍️•📚) 06:18, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Question re a deleted Draft article

Hi Liz - I just want to know the name of the editor who created the article at Draft:L Dee Fink that you deleted here a couple of years ago. And while you're at it, can you also tell me when that draft was posted? Thanks! Anomalous+0 (talk) 10:00, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Deleted article

Hi Liz, I see you deleted my article. I am wondering why because that article was for a class and now I'm not going to be able to get a grade for that. Any information you can give me would be appreciated. Jnaidoo03 (talk) 17:23, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Jnaidoo03,

Please provide me a link to the page you are concerned about so I can see why it was deleted. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:25, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

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A7 speedy deletion criterion

Hello! I am relatively inexperienced in speedy deletion, but could you please explain, why, for example, Wilf Billington does not fall under WP:A7? I don't see any claim of significance in the article itself and I haven't found any sources which would have such a claim. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 08:39, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Deltaspace42,

I've been working with speedy deletion, PRODs and AFDs regularly now for about 3 years now. Articles like those, that are sourced about athletes, typically go to an AFD discussion. We have hundreds of thousands of articles on athletes who I don't think are significant but we have a heck of a lot of editors who work researching their background and finding sources. We typically use speedy deletion for newly created articles, not articles that have been around for years.

I'm sorry though that I reverted you. I typically remove the CSD tag, not use undo, but it's very late where I live and I'm getting ready to log off so I acted quickly. Typically in these situations, I'd just remove the tag and post a message on your talk page but, luckily, you came to my talk page instead. We can talk about this more in the future. But if you want to learn more about standard practices with speedy deletions, just look over the sort of articles that are tagged that are sitting in CSD categories like Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as importance or significance not asserted and other ones. Night. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:47, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the explanation! Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 08:51, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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Hello

Hello @Liz i saw that something is going wrong on English Wikipedia and Simple English Wikipedia a big mastermind playing games of Sock puppet account i saw logs that few months ago Poybo Media article is deleted from English Wikipedia and when i saw logs on Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/50mMidas/Archive of user: Dotdashmeredith that he creates this article and the same user creates Poybo Media on Simple English Wikipedia he focused on 3 Names Poybo Media , Justin Jin , The Vach , and The Vach currently live on Simple English Wikipedia. And created by the same user. And suddenly he actives today and creates 3 Acoounts on English Wikipedia with the names Poybo Media , Justin Jin (businessman) and The Vach under the username of User:Warming polity i think he is also a sock puppet and now he is trying to push spam articles on Simple English WikipediaSimple English Wikipedia. 103.149.126.107 (talk) 10:07, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center)

Hello, Liz. I saw that you deleted Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center) without notifying the creator. Did you see my declination of that CSD nomination? Sdrqaz (talk) 23:25, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Sdrqaz,

Thanks for the inquiry. First, I think it is the responsibility of the CSD tagger to inform the page creator. But the deletion was my fault. As an editing habit, I often open up a lot of pages in tabs and come back to them later. I didn't refresh the page to see that you had already responded to the tagged page. That was my error. I've restored the page although since there are already redirects for Palo Alto Research Center and Xerox PARC, I don't see how this is a useful redirect. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:16, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for restoring it. I assumed that you had deleted it of your own accord without seeing a nomination. As for the page itself, while I wasn't sure of whether it was an appropriate redirect when I first saw it, a search online changed my mind. I think that our role as administrators when assessing R3 is to assess whether it is a plausible redirect, erring towards allowing Community discussion in uncertain situations: R3 should be only for clear-cut cases. Sdrqaz (talk) 18:37, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Deleting info from lists

Hello Liz. Please, when an article is deleted, dont delete the information furtur from articles such as lists as you did here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_foreign_football_players_in_Serbia&diff=1179864564&oldid=1179855520 but instead just leave the info as normal text. OK? Nice hollydays! FkpCascais (talk) 05:10, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, FkpCascais,

This was not a removal by choice, it's a step in the process of using the editing tool XFDcloser to close AFD discussions. Removing mentions of a deleted article subject happens with every closure by most closers. Maybe you should bring it up at Wikipedia talk:XFDcloser. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:19, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Liz, one thing is to delete an article, another to delete its mention from every instance. He may not deserve an article, but he fulfils all criteriums to be in the list. After deleting an article we usually just remove the links to it, we dont remove its mention from everywhere. Please dont do that again. Cheers. FkpCascais (talk) 05:28, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Request

Hi Liz,

I was going to contact Girth Summit (whose brain I usually pick about things) about this, but he seems to have been inactive for over a month. Hopefully it isn’t anything serious. I was going to ask him to if he could take a look at the block that is currently attached to my IP address. I’m on cellular to type this, and my power was out for three days until yesterday. I’m guessing my router being restarted caused me to be given a flagged IP on Wikipedia’s servers. I requested an unblocking via my talk page 18 hours ago, and nothing has happened since. Seasider53 (talk) 16:46, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

User:Dotdotcomma

Hello @Liz i am here for asking help to you. a editor @Dotdotcomma who is blocked in Sock Puppet Case in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/50mMidas is now actively live on Simple English Wikipedia and recreaing all promotional pages on Simple The Vach , Poybo Media, Justin Jin, Bayu Prihandito these are deleted in English Wikipedia but he recreates on Simple English Wikipedia and recently he creates another Sock account Anwi6644 and tried again to create these above articles on English Wikipedia . Both account Dotdotcomma and @Anwi6644 found guilty in same case of Sock puppetry En:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/50mMidas but still Dotdotcomma this user is unblocked. First Admin @Fr33kman blocked @Dotdotcomma and suddenly after some times he unblocked him this is really questionable. I want a proper Investigation aginst them now i doubt they are paid or not. Brandom Mc Thompson (talk) 08:46, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion tagging

Hello. Recently you tagged 3 of my fossorial categories for speedy deletion. I do not think they should be speedily deleted, as they are maintenance categories for a WikiProject. Memer15151 (talk) 18:33, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Memer15151,

What is the WikiProject? I didn't see a link to it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:43, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I just added it, I created these pages today. WikiProject Fossorials. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 20:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Well, it looks like you just created this WikiProject today and you are the only member which is a lot of work to take on for a relatively inexperienced editor. I was also not familiar with the term "Fossorial" so I wasn't sure this was a real WikiProject. These categories are for article assessment and I'd suggest you don't create any more categories until some assessments have been done. It is also incredibly difficult to keep a WikiProject going with just one member so I encourage you to work on recruitment before you burn out. If you have more questions about creating a WikiProject, I think the Teahouse would be a helpful place to bring your questions. Good luck. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:51, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. UserMemer (chat) Tribs 20:52, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Deletion review for Rafat Abu Hilal

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Rafat Abu Hilal. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. VR _talk 20:12, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, VR,

I apologize for my lack of responsiveness here, I do get behind on responding to personal messages. I really appreciate you letting me know about the discussion at DRV. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:43, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

I figured as much. Not a problem and you're a phenomenonal admin who does a lot. So it's understandable you'd miss certain things. VR _talk 20:45, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Dr. Darren Burke

The page Dr. Darren Burke has been speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This was done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it was a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term.

Please do not recreate the material without addressing these concerns, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If you think this page should not have been deleted for this reason, you may contact the deleting administrator, or if you have already done so, you may open a discussion at Wikipedia:Deletion review. UtherSRG (talk) 02:31, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, UtherSRG,

Okay, I guess, thanks for letting me know. I just moved the article to an appropriate title and redirect was a leftover. I don't think it called for speedy deletion but well-intentioned editors can have different opinions. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:42, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Whoops.... well, I was just going to hit the "thanks" button, but my girlfriend distracted me and I reverted you by accident. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:54, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

small request

The state of Category:Deaths_from_leukrmia_in_Florida is self evident, your help would be appreciated - sigh... JarrahTree 11:05, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

State or territory

So I have a problem and I'm not sure where to take this to. I don't want to make a fuss or anything if I'm wrong so I came here; I hope you don't mind.

There is a user in my talk page who is insisting that Washington, D.C. does not count as either a state or territory and, therefore, should not be included in the new realignment as decided in this Cfd: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 1#Category:People from the United States by state.

The issue now is that they have been incredibly rude to myself and another user - see here for discussion - and undid many edits of mine where I was placing insular areas and D.C. categories into the renamed or soon to be (speedy) renamed categories... and I'm not entirely sure what to do now because they have threatened to report me if I do it again.

I may have a few (dozen) mistakes along the way as I am relatively new to categorization but, in this case, I believe I did nothing incorrectly so being threatened with escalation and the rudeness towards myself and another is completely unwarranted.

Any advice or intervention would be appreciated. Thank you. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:20, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Omnis Scientia,

I don't think that koavf believes he is being rude but he is being persistent and ignoring your attempts to end the discussion. I think when you've been editing Wikipedia for 18 years and have made over 2 million edits, it gives an editor a certain level of confidence when interacting with less experienced editors. I've made a comment on your user talk page, hopefully that will end the discussion. I think in these situations, it helps to involve other editors and Mason did come to participate for a while.

The issue of category titles and assignment is very obscure, tied up with hundreds of past CFD discussions and there are probably a handful of editors who can recall when precedence was set. I wouldn't expect an editor who has been here a year to be able to address the questions that came up. To be resolved, this needs to either go back to CFD with a new nomination or an RFC somewhere on a category policy talk page. Unfortunately, there isn't as much activity on category talk pages as other policy areas so maybe it's best to find a way to frame this issue in a CFD nomination which is not obvious to me. The best solution right away is to move on to work on another subject. I know this doesn't resolve the dispute but maybe postpone this subject for a less hectice time of the year. I hope this helps. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:51, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

For now, I am just helping out other editors with the renaming process (since it is quite long) but I won't realign any categories for the time being and leave that part, and probably the dispute as well, to more experienced users.

Thank you very much for stepping in. It is much appreciated! Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:44, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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Requested move

Hey, could you please move User:DaniloDaysOfOurLives/sandbox/Lacey to Lacey Lloyd please? I am currently adding the final few sources but other than that an a copy edit it is ready to move to the mainspace. (I would move it myself but a redirect already exits) When it is moved I will do the finishing touches (e.g. making a talkpage, adding the image, adding the templates, unhiding the categories etc). Thank you so so much! Danilo DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 03:26, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, DaniloDaysOfOurLives,

 Done I hope this is what you were seeking. This was an easy request to help with. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:54, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 03:57, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

A yummy brownie for you!

Thank you so much for moving Lacey! I am doing the finishing touches now. Thank you! Sorry if I was annoying DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 03:59, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, DaniloDaysOfOurLives,

No, you weren't being annoying. I just get overwhelmed by talk page messages. I post a great many Welcome messages on the user talk pages of new editors so I am often where they come when they have problems. I try to point them to the Teahouse because, honestly, they would get a quicker answer if they brought their questions there. I'm just glad I could solve your issue so easily. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:03, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Re-deleted

Liz, you deleted Draft:Sky Railway a minute after I undeleted it and was going to remove the G13 tag. Recently, you did the same for Draft:Sudarshan Khatiwada (see WP:Requests for undeletion#Sudarshan Khatiwada) although there the gap was 12 minutes, and I thought of bringing it to your notice. Regardless, aren't you supposed to check for the history and logs before you delete a page? Jay 💬 06:04, 24 December 2023 (UTC) (ec)

Hello, Jay,

This was an oversight on my part. I just looked over the draft, saw that Josh had tagged it and I didn't look at it more carefully when I should have. I have restored it. I was kind of plowing through CSD categories and this draft showed up in the CSD G13 category. I don't recall Draft:Sudarshan Khatiwada but twice is worse than once. I'll try to be less eager and be more cautious in the future. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:10, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi

hello, I have made a draft can you help me move this page, how do I move a page from draft to article space. Chiyemi (talk) 09:55, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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Sock-evasion

Regarding your decline of speedy for Draft:List of awards and nominations received by Rakul Preet Singh, that article is a honeypot for Anankiaushdud. Daljeetsingh2004 is surely just the latest of that pool. They have a few cellular pools, so I've held off from rangeblocking the whole lot. Feel free to look at the deleted history of that article for more info. DMacks (talk) 17:49, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

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Merry Christmas, Liz! Wishing you Season's Greetings and a Happy Winter Solstice! As the year comes to a close, I want to express my appreciation for your dedicated efforts on Wikipedia and extend heartfelt thanks for your assistance throughout the years. May the holiday season bring you and your loved ones abundant joy, good health, and prosperity.

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Happy Holidays!

...thinking they'll be fun this year! ♦ The Eloquent Peasant (talk) 08:28, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Spam

user:Drmies spammmed deletion notices on my sandboxes with no reason. SnowieLuna1212 (talk) 17:10, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Your a good admin Liz, have a kitten!

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Season's greetings

~ ~ ~ Merry Christmas! ~ ~ ~

Hello Liz: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 20:47, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Embassy of India, Ljubljana

Thought I'd let you know I have requested a WP:REFUND as you deleted it between the time I opened it and tried to deprod it. This can be merged or redirected to India–Slovenia relations. Thanks for all the conscientious work you do! ~Kvng (talk) 01:19, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Kvng,

Thanks for letting me know but this is an uncontroversial restoration. Much different that contesting an AFD closure. Happy holidays! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:28, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Yes, WP:SOFTDELETE ~Kvng (talk) 03:17, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Category:Ships built by Venetian Arsenal has been nominated for merging

Category:Ships built by Venetian Arsenal has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 21:57, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

Kathleen M. O'Sullivan

I'm looking at Kathleen M. O'Sullivan to try to get it merged to Barack Obama judicial appointment controversies, per your close of the recent AfD, but there's nothing there to merge, because her name is already included in the table of failed nominations in the judicial appointment controversies article and basic biographical information about the nominees doesn't appear to be in the scope of that article. Additionally, there's nothing in the article itself about her nomination being particularly controversial, nor could I find anything via a search. Do you think it would be appropriate to add an anchor to her entry in the table in the judicial appointment controversies article and redirect to that? voorts (talk/contributions) 01:13, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

@Voorts: A note needs to be added regarding her later proposed nomination, not followed through, by President Trump. BD2412 T 02:30, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Question about closing decision for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyohei Ushio

Hi, first of all I want to thank you for handling deletion discussions because it can be a thankless job. As someone who did not participate in the discussion, I was wondering why the "no consensus" result was decided for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kyohei Ushio, as opposed to keep.

Understanding WP:NOTAVOTE, there were two keep votes plus one user agreeing with a keep, and no sentiments to delete the article (other than from the nominator). In the future, I think having a keep result on the record rather than no consensus could help any future editors better understand the result of the discussion because in my opinion it better describes the consensus. But I am open minded and curious about what you think.

Thank you, --Habst (talk) 23:47, 28 December 2023 (UTC)

Language attitudes redirect

Thank you for the help on deleting the Language attitudes redirect so I could approve an article undereview. Sorry for the mess I caused in doing it the wrong way. KeepItGoingForward (talk) 05:15, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Scripts++ Newsletter – Issue 23

New year, new scripts. Welcome to the 23rd issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter, covering around 39% of our favorite new and updated user scripts since 24 December 2021. That’s right, we haven’t published in two years! Can you believe it? Did you miss us?

Got anything good? Tell us about your new, improved, old, or messed-up script here!

Featured script

RefRenamer by Nardog is this issue's featured script. For whatever reason, the foundation will only give us better reference names in VisualEditor if we wish for it in the next survey. Nardog to the rescue! This script has a ton of options to satisfy almost anyone who wishes to use better refnames than ":0" and ":418".

Updated scripts

• Nardog: MoveHistory can now look up the move history of any page from anywhere on the site.
• User:Enterprisey/diff-permalink now has a version that copies the Special:Diff link with square brackets.
• User:GhostInTheMachine/WatchlistTidy now moves the Active Filters panel to the right so that the Show/Hide button doesn't constantly jump.
• User:Alexander Davronov/HistoryHelper has now become stable with some bugfixes and features such as automatically highlighting potentially uncivil edit summaries and automatically pinging all the users selected.
• Wikipedia:AutoEd/unicodehex.js will no longer replace legacy MediaWiki dot-entities (dot followed by two uppercase alphanumeric characters) in article links, which caused several links to become broken.

Screenshot of RefRenamer, a user script that assists in replacing non-descriptive reference names

Scripts++ Newsletter

Improve a script

• Many of our favorite scripts such as User:Fred Gandt/userResourceManager, User:Guarapiranga/search-shortcuts and User:Bradv/Scripts/Superlinks haven't been updated for Vector 2022. You could be the one to change that!
• User:Elominius/gadget/media timer works, but its UI looks alien. Someone could improve it...
• To a lesser extent, the same goes for User:PrimeHunter/Search sort.js. I wish someone would integrate the sorts into the sort menu instead of adding 11 portlet links.
• We want...

• ...a mark-as-read button for Watchlyst Greybar Unsin
• ...a tool to automatically fix CAT:BROKENREFs, preferably a fork/addition to User:TheJJJunk/ARA
• ...a fix/fork of User:DannyS712/SectionRemover.js to make it work

Requested scripts

• A WP:3O requesting and responding tool, similar to Terasil's classic edit request tool
• A "bytes removed"/"added" filter on the user contribs page
• A review tool for WP:proposed deletions
• Mass patrol new pages by a user for use in WP:RFP/A
• ...and many more, all available at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests

New scripts

• Aaron Liu: Watchlyst Greybar Unsin is a rewrite of Ais's Watchlist Notifier with modern APIs and several new features such as not displaying watchlist items marked as seen (hence the name), not bolding diffs of unseen watchlist elements which doesn’t work properly anyways, displaying the rendered edit summary, proper display of log and creation actions and more links.
• Alexis Jazz: Factotum is a spiritual successor to reply-link with a host of extra features like section adding, link rewriting, regular expressions and more.
• User:Aveaoz/AutoMobileRedirect: This script will automatically redirect MobileFrontend (en.m.wikipedia) to normal Wikipedia. Unlike existing scripts, this one will actually check if your browser is mobile or not through its secret agent string, so you can stay logged in on mobile! Hooray screen estate!
• Chlod:
  • Deputy is a first-of-its-kind copyright cleanup toolkit. It overrides the interface for Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations for easy case processing. It also includes the functionality of the following (also new) scripts:
    • Attribution Notice Template Editor (ANTE) graphically modifies content attribution notices. It is the successor to User:Chlod/Scripts/CopiedTemplateEditor and supports more templates than {{copied}} ones.
    • Infringement Assistant allows a user to hide sections of a page for suspected copyright violations and report the page to the appropriate Wikipedia:Copyright problems noticeboard.
• User:Elominius/gadget/diff arrow keys allows navigation between diffs with the arrow keys. It also has a version that requires holding Ctrl with the arrow key.
• Enterprisey
  • diff-permalink-2 allows quickly copying wikilinks to diff and permalink pages from those pages, a variation of existing script User:Enterprisey/diff-permalink
  • archiver is a fork of Σ's Archiver with several bugfixes.
  • /parent-cats highlights categories that are a subcategory of a category already included in a page's categories.
• User:Guarapiranga/accessKeysCheatSheet adds an access key shortcut to display all shortcuts based on code provided by Nardog and NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh.
• User:HungKhanh0106/ProperDisplay loads a bunch of fonts to add correct rendering supports for "esoteric" languages.
• User:Jeeputer/highlightPiped will make piped links irresistible (or else).
• User:Jerome Frank Disciple/curlyfixer.js adds an WP:AutoEd function that straightens curly quotes per MOS. That's right! Such a module was only made in the 14th year of AutoEd's existence! Configure away!
• Frequently link to Wikipedia on your websites yet find generating CC-BY credits to be such a hassle? Say no more! User:Luke10.27/attribute will automatically do it for ya and copy the credit to yer clipboard.
• User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft, a spiritual successor (i.e. fork) to Evad37's script, with a few bugs solved, and a host of extra features like check-boxes for choosing draftification reasons, multi-contributor notification, and appropriate warnings based on last edit time.
• Nardog
  • /CopyCodeBlock: one of the most important operations for any scripter and script-user is to copy and paste. This script adds a copy button in the top right of every code block (not to be confused with <code>) that will, well, copy it to your clipboard!
  • /RCMuter: Hide specific users, perhaps User:MediaWiki message delivery, from the Watchlist and Recent Changes.
  • /VitalTopicon makes you see the vital article topicon on WP:vital articles.
• m:User:NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh/AceForLuaDebugConsole.js adds the Ace editor (a.k.a. the editor you see when editing JS, CSS and Lua on Wikimedia wikis) to the Lua debug console. "In my opinion, whoever designed it to be a plain <textarea> needs to seriously reconsider their decision."
• Novem Linguae
  • DraftCleaner fixes formatting of new articles.
  • GANReviewTool quickly and easily closes good article nominations.
  • ReviewStatus displays whether or not a mainspace page is marked as reviewed.
  • SpeciesHelper tries to add the correct speciesbox, category, taxonbar, and stub template to species articles.
• User:Opencooper/svgReplace and Tol's fork replaces all rasterized SVGs with their original SVG codes for your loading pleasures. Tell us which one is better!
• User:Phlsph7/HighlightUnreferencedPassages adds a button to highlight all unreferenced paragraphs in reds, and can even do it automatically.
• Still hate Vector 2022's floating TOC? User:Phlsph7/UnfoldedNumberedTOC(Vector2022) might make you give it a try.
• Quite a bit of pages at Special:WantedCategories either exist now or got removed. User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/hideUnwantedCategories automatically hides those.
• User:SuperHamster's Wikipedia:Tools/View it! generates a gallery of images for a given subject on any Wikimedia project utilizing Structured Data on Commons. Images can then be added as needed.
• Terasail
  • ArticleInfo displays page information at the top of the page, directly below the title.
  • /HeaderIcons takes away the Vector 2022 user dropdown and replaces it with all of the icons within, top level, right next to the Watchlist. One less click away! There's also an alternate version that uses text links instead of icons.
• ...and any more, all available at WP:US/L.

Due to budget and procrastination limitations, we've only had time to review the first ~39% of the scripts since last issue. Help us out here! Aaron Liu (talk) 13:24, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

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Only eleven hours later

Liz. Only 11 hours after you closed out the AfD on Cavalier Rural Electric Cooperative, User:बिनोद थारू started a new AfD, which is being discussed here. I see no effort by the nom to abide by WP:BEFORE.

Why is this not a clear-cut case of wikilawyering and editing to be disruptive by a single-purpose editor? The nom doesn’t appear to even be attempting to masquerade that he is engaging in tendentious editing. Greg L (talk) 22:51, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Greg L,

Thanks for letting me know. This was certainly inappropriate. I did a procedural close. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:06, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the speedy close, Liz. I hope you keep an eye on the newest AfD by बिनोद थारू, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lincoln Township, Jasper County, Missouri. From what I can see, Lincoln Township is no outlier amongst what must be tens of thousands of U.S. townships for which Wikipedia has articles. I truly don’t understand why the project must tolerate so much disruption from an obvious single-purpose editor exacting revenge on the system. Greg L (talk) 04:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Greg L, I've already asked this editor if they have had previous accounts. They archive talk page comments pretty quickly. I'll check out the other AFD. They also PROD a fair number of articles. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:14, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

User:बिनोद थारू found a yet another tactic to tear down the project. He is now redirecting articles to other articles that don’t cover or even mention the redirected content. For instance:

1. This redirect of Riding Facility, Riem to 1972 Summer Olympics, but the only mention of the riding facility there was a link to the article he redirected, creating a vicious circle where no information exists.
2. This redirect of Committee on International Security and Arms Control to National Academy of Sciences, but nothing about the Committee on International Security and Arms Control (CISAC) exists at the redirect, thus once again expunging information under the guise of redirects.

I reverted those two edits, Liz, since such tactics are clearly wikilawyering and are not what Wikipedia:Redirect are for; it creates only vicious circles (at best) or dead ends for our readers. बिनोद थारू created an article before he created his latest account, got it AfD'd, and is now exacting revenge; there’s the motive. This is vandalism, pure and simple. We don’t have to AGF when an editor’s repeatedly spits in your beer every time you turn your head, and then finds new ways to do so after he’s been caught. Greg L (talk) 06:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Greg L, I'd appreciate it if you would leave a polite message on their User talk page about your concerns. I have pointed out some issues to them already and I don't want to be a broken record. It sometimes helps to hear from more than one person if there are problems. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:47, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Done. Thank you for trusting me with that task, Liz. I retired from a 6000-person electronics manufacturer as a senior engineer, where I set engineering standards for their manufacturing division. Nonetheless, they don’t usually trust “engineer types” to go into a visiting parlor and sip their tea with two hands under circumstances such as these. I did my best. Here’s the perma-link. Greg L (talk) 07:17, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Etymology of Baltistan

Hello Liz, it seems like you deleted the article Etymology of Gilgit–Baltistan (or at least the talk page) almost 3 years ago. Was there anything usefull in it or had it no sources? im trying to find the etymology but Im kinda stuck Sjobenrit (talk) 00:00, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Sjobenrit,

Can you provide me a link to the page you are concerned about? It speeds things up. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:01, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi Liz,

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Etymology+of+Gilgit%E2%80%93Baltistan

(there is no page, since it is deleted. I cant find a way to access the information inside (the actually wiki))

Can you check if there was actually information (with sources) in there?

Thank you! Sjobenrit (talk) 00:07, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

What I was looking for was simply Etymology of Gilgit–Baltistan. There wasn't any content, it was a Redirect to Gilgit-Baltistan#Etymology. The RFD that caused it to be deleted is Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 19#Etymology of the Punjab, Pakistan, etc.. Also, I wasn't the admin who deleted that page. I hope this helps. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:16, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Speedy template deletion

Sorry for bothering you, I know you have better things to do—but I suppose I'm a bit confused by the deletion of {{IPAb}}—I contested the speedy deletion, and while it was my bad to not have used the template yet, I began doing so after the nom in order to clear up future confusion. Should I not recreate it? I don't want to create more work for others to do, but I think it's a perfectly worthwhile template to have. Remsense留 01:50, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Remsense,

You don't have to worry about bothering me. Responding to queries is part of being an admin and, to be honest, I sometimes do a crappy job at responding promptly.

As for this template, I'm not sure what is possible here. It is very hard to recreate a page that has been deleted due to a deletion discussion, CSD G4. I know of two ways you can address this. 1) You can go to Deletion review and make a formal complaint that the TFD discussion wasn't closed properly or there are conditions now that make a recreation feasible or 2) I can restore this page to Draft space and you can submit it for review and, hopefully, approval by an Articles for Creation reviewer. They are not used to evaluating templates so it might take a while for it to be evaluated.

But I can't just restore it and have you start using it today. It will only be tagged for speedy deletion again and be deleted by a different administrator. So, let me know how you'd like to proceed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:08, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

thank you very much for the additional context and insight into the process, i appreciate it very much! Remsense留 13:30, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

​Hi. AFC does not review templates. There are no criteria by which to do so. I am actually not aware of any established procedure for recreating deleted templates in particular. So, the next best things I can think of are, 1. arguing at deletion review that the deletion reason no longer applies. 2. recreating the template in such a way that it is not substantially similar to the deleted version. The deletion reason was that the template was not used and did not have documentation. So, doing either should have prevented G4. I would have thought so because the substance of a template is not the words displayed on the page but its usage. Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:58, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Repair Association

Hi Liz! Could you restore Draft:Repair Association? It was deleted under G11, but I don't think I would have added anything promotional unless it was done by mistake. Thriley (talk) 05:14, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Thriley,

 Done Sorry about that. That is usually what we do when there is a draft that has no content, only a link to an organization or company. Good luck with it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:17, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

I figured it was something like that. Happy New Year! Thriley (talk) 05:21, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

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Happy New Year Dear Liz. Please revive this draft for me so I can work on its text and new Independent and secondary sources:Draft:Mehdi Mirza Mehdi Tehrani.Thanks for your help as always.—Patricia (Talk) 09:39, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

please guied and help me. You don't answer my request probably cus your busy or for holiday. Anyway I hope you be well.Best.—Patricia (Talk) 11:03, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

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Question

On 25th October 2023 (of last year) you deleted a draft titled One Air. The deletion notice says to contact you if I am unsure that I am creating the same article. What was that deleted draft about? Thanks Njsky (talk) 04:49, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Njsky,

I apologize for this delayed response. This User talk page gets a lot of traffic and I often fall behind in responding to queries. Luckily, I have some very helpful editors who watch this page and sometimes step up to offer assistance.

I'd be happy to help you but you need to provide me a link to the exact page you are concerned about. Then I can see why it was deleted which will determine what I can do about it. Again, I'm sorry for the wait. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:06, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

A page titled One Air (deleted in 2016) and a draft by the same name (created prior to the current draft under that name). Njsky (talk) 02:09, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

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Biographical image categories.

On further reflection, I do think these should be considered project categories, as we are constantly receiving new uploads of biographical images, which should be categorized by year of publication if the data is available. Therefore, there is reason for the categories to exist, even if empty. BD2412 T 23:41, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, BD2412,

I just go by the Empty Categories list, if there is an {{emptycat}} tag on a category, the bots ignore it completely. It's what is used on most WikiProject categories which are sometimes empty. Sorry for my delay in replying to you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:08, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Operation Snowball

I dont think that Operation Snowball was relisted correctly at 22DEC2023 AFD. --Jax 0677 (talk) 13:11, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Jax 0677,

XFDCloser sometimes has problems with relisting discussions. I'll look into this. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:49, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

You've got mail (revision deletion request)

Hello, Liz. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template. Stefen Tower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 21:35, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Possible G6

Hey Liz! I saw you closed the AFD for Stephen Jacob Jimbangan and I'm wanting to know if how it looked at deletion is similar enough to how it looks now and would be valid for a G6. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{blaze__wolf} 03:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Blaze Wolf,

I didn't do a careful analysis but at first glance, this current version is much more expansive and detailed. The version that was deleted was very short and had a lot of charts regarding elections which this article doesn't have. But I'll review it again tomorrow morning when my eyes are fresh. I don't think it's an automatic CSD G4 though. THe previous version was written by an editor who was later blocked. Is there any indications of sockpuppetry here? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:47, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Is it a kind of promotion on Wikipedia?

Hi Liz, I have always seen that you are one of Wikipedia's active administrators. And thank you so much for your contributions to Wikipedia. Please include this matter in your note. I'm writing to you because I didn't get a satisfactory response on Teahouse. Note that I'm not criticizing anyone in particular. I would just like to know if that is correct or incorrect.

"I think this is a serious issue for Wikipedia decorum. Today i noticed a user named User:Sush150 frequently adding Bollywood Hungama website links as references on Wikipedia's various articles. I checked his recent contribution on the pages below and found Bollywood Hungama is used very frequently as references: Singham Again, Murder Mubarak, Maddock Films, List of Hindi films of 2024, List of Hindi films of 2023, List of Hindi films of 2021, List of Hindi films of 2020, Kareena Kapoor Khan filmography, Tiger Shroff, List of highest domestic net collection of Hindi films, Dunki (film), Tiger 3, Fighter (2024 film), Jawan (film), Akshay Kumar filmography.

These are few i found, but i am sure there is a long list. Macbeejack ☎ 10:21, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Macbeejack,

I have to ask, what is the status of Bollywood Hungama on the list of reliable sources, especially the list of ones from India? Sush150 is a longtime editor and I would guess familiar with the rules of adding external links and sources. I glanced at a few of their edits and they used other sources as well. Typically, in these types of complaints, the editor in question is a brand new editor who is trying to promote a media source or who is not familiar with sourcing guidelines but that doesn't seem to be the case here. If you think they are overusing this source, you could pose them a question or query about it on their User talk page. Or, if you have questions about whether or not this is a reliable source, it would be worth starting a discussion on the Reliable Source noticeboard. But I don't see anything immediately that would warrant admin action. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:11, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank You for your response. Understood. Macbeejack ☎ 03:23, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

2025 Women's World Floorball Championships

Can someone please tell me why my article got deleted? They say too soon but the same reviewer also reviewed my 2027 Netball World Cup page and that was fine, despite it being almost 2 years after the 2025 Women's World Floorball Championships would've ended. So, in my opinion, I think that it's a bogus excuse. Then you could say that the article was not very good, but I heavily improved it with many Czech articles giving me very useful information for the article. I'm sick of people making bogus arguments about this article and not giving a proper reason for its deletion. To me, it comes across as one of the reasons for the article being deleted is simply because it's Floorball, a relatively niche sport, and that if it was football, it would've been kept. Once again, can people please give me a proper answer? ILoveSport2006 (talk) 11:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ILoveSport2006,

Please give me a link to the page you are concerned about and then I can see why it was deleted. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:59, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Here's the link: 2025 Women's World Floorball Championships (it's a draft right now but it's the same as the original article). I made it a draft for now so that my work on the article wasn't a waste of time. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 19:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ILoveSport2006,

Well, that article was deleted via Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2025 Women's World Floorball Championships which just closed. You can see the reasons editors offered for its deletion in this discussion.

It's very hard to overcome an AFD delete decision, the only way I know is to create a draft version and submit it to WP:AFC for review. The AFC reviewer will see if the new draft has overcome the problems pointed out at the AFD discussion. But since it is a 2025 event, it might just be TOOSOON for this article to be in main space. At least, the article was moved to Draft space instead of being tagged for CSD G4 speedy deletion. I don't think taking this route through Draft space is a "waste of time", it's how articles that have been deleted through AFD discussions are recreated.

One last thought though, if it is too soon for an article about an 2025 event, you might keep a draft in your User space like a sandbox, then you don't have to worry about it being deleted through CSD G13 speedy deletion. I realize this is not the answer you wanted to hear but it's what I know from working on this project and seeing many, many articles and drafts deleted through the CSD, PROD and AFD processes. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:24, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for responding and thanks for giving me advice, but you didn't really answer my question. I'm asking why it was deleted, I can't see it being too soon, because the same reviewer didn't tag my 2027 Netball World Cup for deletion. The article meets all the requirements. It has numerous reliable sources, multiple sections and many primary and third party references. Also, I made it a draft, to make sure that my hard work it didn't get all deleted. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 21:32, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Also, I am going to submit it for review now. Let's hope that works. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 21:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

deleted page

Hi sorry to disturb, i'm new on wikipedia can you help me recovering data from the page: world rafting federation - i need to move it into my sandbox but i'm learning how - at the moment i don't have a draft. Thanks for your time! Serioushaha (talk) 18:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Serioushaha,

Can you give me a link to the deleted article or draft you are talking about? If you are talking about how to create an article from scratch, you'll get more help by going to the Teahouse or Articles for Creation. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for your quick answer: it was this article here: User:World Rafting Federation.

this is the message i received:

This page does not exist. The deletion, protection, and move log for the page are provided below for reference.

18:17, 4 January 2024 Liz talk contribs deleted page User:World Rafting Federation (U2: Userpage or subpage of a nonexistent user) Tag: Twinkle (thank)

18:17, 4 January 2024 Liz talk contribs moved page User:World Rafting Federation to Draft:World Rafting Federation (Moving to Draft space, not a User) (revert) (thank) Serioushaha (talk) 20:31, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Serioushaha, I see you've posted this request in a few different places. Your deleted article was restored earlier by Ritchie333, and since then it has moved a few times but is now live at Draft:World Rafting Federation. You can work on it there. If you would like to move it anyway, the move dialog works like this: below the "new title" line are two boxes. The first is a drop-down where you select a "namespace" (the part of the title before the colon). All Wikipedia pages live in one of these namespaces, including articles (which the dropdown indicates by "(Article)", since the titles of articles don't include the namespace). The second box is for the rest of the title. Right now, the page is in the "Draft:" namespace, and has the title "World Rafting Federation". Your sandbox is located at User:Serioushaha/sandbox - if you wanted to move the page to your own sandbox, you would select the "User:" namespace, and enter the title "Serioushaha/sandbox". Sorry if that's confusing but that's how it works. You can always ask for help, too! Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 20:48, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much. So if i've doin correct now i moved it to the sandbox where i can work on without any problems right? Cause it's not published yet? Serioushaha (talk) 21:18, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Please revive or restore

Happy New Year Dear Liz. Please revive this draft for me so I can work on its text and new Independent and secondary sources:Draft:Mehdi Mirza Mehdi Tehrani.Thanks for your help as always. —Patricia (Talk) 20:38, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Patricia Mannerheim,

 Done Restoring a draft deleted by the request of the page creator is an easy thing for an admin to do! But there is an AFC tag from a submission in August 2023 that you might want to remove unless you want it to be reviewed immediately. I hope this helps. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:23, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

So much thanks. It was helpful to me. But of course I want removed that tag.what can I do? BEST. —Patricia (Talk) 21:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

Renaming Embassy of Angola, Ottawa

I see you reverted the renaming of Embassy of Angola, Ottawa. That name is incorrect, so fixing it is a major part of keeping the article. Could you point to the policy that articles cannot be renamed mid-AFD? It seems counter the spirit of AFD which is to give an opportunity to fix flawed articles to avoid deletion. - SimonP (talk) 02:51, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, SimonP,

I don't know if I can locate a line in policy but at this point, I've closed hundreds if not thousands of AFD discussions and I'm in line with practice. Articles are not supposed to be moved to different page titles in the middle of an AFD discussion primarily because it messes up the relisting and closing process which uses XFDCloser. It doesn't understand when the article is at a different page title than the AFD page title and it takes extra time to clean up the mess.

I assume that this is what started this practice and I can only guess that in your admin career, you haven't closed many deletion discussions since we moved to using XFDCloser. That's where the practice has come from and when pages are moved during an AFD discussion, admins and participating editors routinely moved them back to their original location. This is not just a quirk I follow. But I'll look into whether or not it has been mentioned anywhere in official policy. Like I said, if the article is Kept, feel free to move the article to a more appropriate page title. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:21, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I remember !voting an RfC on this issue, Template talk:Article for deletion#RFC: Add Instruction Not to Move. It closed with consensus that "moving a page within mainspace is a perfectly possible way to improve an article while it is being nominated for deletion". The XFDCloser issues are real, though, so I'd encourage anyone who does move a page during an AfD to write in bold "Note to closer: this page has recently been moved, so please make sure the closure was carried out correctly" or something like that. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:10, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Extraordinary Writ, that's my memory, too, that it isn't "forbidden" but it is discouraged. I'm sorry if my actions left the impression that some violation had occurred, I was just trying to make things easier for the AFD closer. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:14, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Edward Hulewicz

For the record, I just replied to the IP at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GoGoGo Airheart.I am frankly appalled that you judged a silly comment such as "This dude produced less (and considerably worse) music, but no one's taking him down" as worthy of attention (let alone the baseless PROD). Cavarrone 09:39, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Cavarrone,

I'm sorry that you're "appalled". You disagreed with my nomination and removed the PROD tag. That's how the system works. As for me, no one is perfect. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:15, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Deletion review for TV Tonight Awards 2020

An editor has asked for a deletion review of TV Tonight Awards 2020. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Yours sincerely, TechGeek105 (his talk page) 04:12, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TechGeek105,

Thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:13, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

To show my appreciation, I present...

	The Double Pendulum of determination
	Wanted to let you know your hard work at the AFD does not go unnoticed. Cheers! UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 07:19, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition,

I've never heard of a Double Pendulum of determination but I'll take it as a compliment. I don't put in as much time at AFD as Daniel does but I try to do my part when I have time. Thanks for the acknowledgment! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:24, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Had to think of something that used alliteration. I don't go to AFD much but see your relists frequently there. UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 07:27, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Happy New Year Liz! May this new year bring happiness and prosperity into your life. With the light of the true path, Amen.

Once again, thanks for your kind intervention on my talk page.

Maliner (talk) 08:36, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Maliner,

Well, thank you, I think "kind" is what I strive for. I'm glad it came across that way. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:40, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Looking at that kitten picture reminds me that I just weighed my two cats this morning to see if they are gaining weight...Rusty is over 20 lbs and Ginger is a lighter 16 lbs. Compared to previous cats I've had, they are enormous but I hear that can happen with orange tabbies. But I do remember when they were the size of this kitten 3 years ago! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:42, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

World Jewish Relief AfD

Hi, FYI I was in the process of unstriking the comments when you closed. I assume it wouldn't have changed your close even if they were struck/unstruck, but if it would, please feel free to revert my edit. Cheers, Daniel (talk) 22:25, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Daniel,

Since we both patrol the AFD daily log, often at the same time at the end of the UTC day, it's inevitable that at times we would be editing the same open discussions at the same time! I had added a comment about how inappropriate it was for a nominator to strike the comments of a participating editor they disagreed with and just removed the scolding once I saw you had "unstruck" the remarks. I wish I had noticed that this had happened before I relisted the discussion and I would have commented about it then. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:39, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

No problems at all - I have left some pretty pointed comments at the user's talk page, hopefully to prevent it from happening again. The first striking out of comments is some of the poorer behaviour I've seen at AfD in a while...! Daniel (talk) 22:41, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

Recent PROD of Farad,_California

Hi Liz, I maintain the Farad, California Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/farad.california) which has a link to a page here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farad,_California) that you appear to have deleted for a few reasons you listed: (Expired PROD, concern was: Non-notable location. GNIS does not establish notability; reference 2 is a trivial mention as a site of river data collection; reference 3 is an unreliable GNIS regurgitator, and reference 4 is both broken and unreliable (WordPress). This appears to have just been a railway point beside the hydroelectric station; no other information found.)

I had not visited the Farad wiki page in a very long time and hadn't been aware that some of its information or links were considered too stale, unimportant, or unreliable for the page to stay published. Several of the recent visitors to the Farad FB page had alerted me to the absence of the Wiki page we linked to. Could you please undelete it for a while so I may attempt to fix these issues and add some new relevant information about it?

For instance, the history of the Farad power house (It was the first working hydroelectric power station on the east side of the Sierra mountain range, and was built to provide reliable power to Virginia City, NV and the equipment used in silver mining operations around the city), presence of a public, unmaintained hot spring-fed soaking pool, the maintained hiking trails, and that it's a good fishing spot. The location, sometimes referred to as Mystic, has a marked and well-maintained set of ramps along Interstate 80. It hosted a small settlement of men who were involved in building and maintaining the power station and its related upstream infrastructure for several years. People visit the place every day to explore, rest, hike, fish, and learn about its history from maintained information kiosk. I assure you, it's more than an unremarkable spot along a railway.

Since the last time I visited the Wiki page and created my own page for Farad on Facebook, I've found many more articles and pages with valuable and verifiable information about Farad's history and things it provides, and hope to update the wiki page accordingly. Many thanks of you could help us out. Erik Schorr (talk) 10:36, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Simply request the article be undeleted at WP:RFU; I agree that the subject has enough coverage in media to warrant an article, as in this Reno Gazette-Journal profile 47.188.28.132 (talk) 00:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

This only points to the need for an article about the power plant and the amenities available there, because the notable subject is that power plant. Notability of the power plant doesn't transfer to the populated place if there ever was one. And, this is the reason people want to delete the article as it's masquerading as a populated place, and it isn't. Why don't you just write the appropriate article and let this populated place article die.James.folsom (talk) 23:55, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Just a hello

Hello @Liz,

You would not be knowing me but I know you even before I myself started editing wikipedia. I had nominated 2 articles previously for Afd namely Shivalik Public School and Darshan Singh Sur and both were ultimately deleted by you. So first, thanks for that. And the question that how do I know you before even joining wikipedia personally would most probably be the question due to which you would be reading till here. Once my dad also joined wikipedia but for some other reason and out of lack of knowledge of wikipedia's policies was going to make a wikipedia article about his own book and which was surely removed by admins but you were the one who told him about the policies and he told me that and I was feeling nostaglic.

Hello

Sorry to waste your time.

Thanks!

Hi Liz, Thanks for cleaning up my extra Mildred Barnes Royse page. I knew I had messed it up, but wasn’t sure how to fix it.

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T. E. Meeks (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

1959 Australian films

Hello. I see you've nominated empty categories such as 1950 Australian films for deletion. I found Category:1959 Australian films, which is populated but probably shouldn't be as it seems to be our only remaining "yyyy Countrian films" category. I'm not a film or categorisation expert, but please get rid of it if appropriate. Thanks, Certes (talk) 20:11, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Regarding change of username

Hello I am @Chandrakant Kannake (Actor) I want to change my current real username for personal reasons and I want to keep my real name private please help me to change my username Chandrakant Kannake (Actor) (talk) 16:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

• (talk page watcher) @Chandrakant Kannake (Actor): user renaming is a public action, meaning that people will be able to see that you changed your name from "Chandrakant Kannake (Actor)" to whatever your new username is. If you are looking for privacy, you would be better advised to retire this account entirely and start a new account under a newly created username. This is permissible as long as you don't use the new account in a way that deceives editors into thinking that multiple people are, for example, commenting in favor of an outcome in a discussion. BD2412 T 16:42, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  Please sir I humbly request you help me to change my username @BD2412 Chandrakant Kannake (Actor) (talk) 16:49, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

  Instructions for such a request may be found at Wikipedia:Changing username. Wikipedia administrators no longer have the internal ability to change usernames. BD2412 T 16:54, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Question re a deleted Draft article - 2nd TRY

Hi Liz - You are one busy gal! :)

I never got a reply to this question that I posted here back on 18 December. So I'm reposting it:

I just want to know the name of the editor who created the article at Draft:L Dee Fink that you deleted here a couple of years ago. And while you're at it, can you also tell me when that draft was posted?

Thanks! Anomalous+0 (talk) 03:49, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Anomalous+0,

I certainly don't mind you reposting a talk page message that I haven't gotten to. I can get behind on responding to messages. I'm sorry if that was frustrating to you.

In regard to your questions, that draft editor was User:ECA-F20. It was their only edit in October 2020 and they posted a full article on this subject in their draft. When that happens, it often means that the content was cut and pasted from another source but since it wasn't submitted to AFC, it was never checked for possible copyright violations. As for the date, drafts that are deleted via CSD G13 have their last edit to the page 6 months prior to the deletion date if that helps you in the future.

May I ask why you are curious? Are you going to request this draft's restoration? Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 03:57, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Vankasida

Hi Liz, RE Draft:Miss Planet International, the user Vankasida states here User_talk:Vannet_Kun#Request_unblock that they are indeed a sock of the blocked Vannet Kun. I've opened SPI on this: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Vannet Kun. Of course, we can wait for that to close, if you'd like, but to me this seems pretty clear? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:10, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Vannet Kun is mine, but i still don't understand why i was a sockpuppet. I didn't intend to destroy anyting. I just created account to create an article related to The Miss Planet International organization, which has already been held three times. However, there is no article related to it yet. That's why I created an article related to it. I have not created Draft:Miss Planet International 2019 yet, but I have created:

• Draft:Miss Planet International
• Draft:Miss Planet International 2023
• Draft:Miss Planet International 2024

There is enough information that you can check on Google and other websites. You can also check the official Facebook page of Miss Planet International. Lastly, please don't try to block me, as I have no ill intensions. I will read the Wikipedia Guidelines and learn from my past mistakes. I want to be a positive contributor to Wikipedia. If you want to know more about me, you can contact me on my User talk page. Vankasida (talk) 10:32, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@Vankasida: when your account is blocked, and you just go ahead and create another one and continue editing, that is pretty much the definition of sockpuppetry; how is that difficult to understand? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:44, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing Thanks you for telling me. Now i understand, but what can I do to get rid of a sockpuppetry from my account? Vankasida (talk) 11:40, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Mass creation of new categories

Hi Liz; I don't pay much attention to categories, unless I see obvious disruption e.g., addition of categories that aren't sourced in the article, etc, or addition of top-level categories already covered by more granular categories. I noticed this large scale creation of new categories; I have no doubt it's in good faith, but the first thing I'm wondering is surely there's a reason these categories didn't exist before? I'm wondering if they are too "intersectional" as defined in WP:CATDD. OhNoitsJamie <sup>Talk</sup> 13:16, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Village Enterprise Wikipedia page

Hi Liz,

I hope you are doing well. My name is Brett and I work for the nonprofit Village Enterprise that is working to end extreme poverty in rural Africa. I'm reaching out because I believe you moved Village Enterprise's Wikipedia page into draft mode (see here), and I believe it may be deleted in the next week or so. I'd be more than happy to work with the editorial team at Wikipedia to answer any questions about the organization to get the page reinstated and more current.

In case it is of use, I thought I would point out several articles that could be of use to updating the page. Village Enterprise received a Fast Company World Changing Ideas Award for their DREAMS for Refugees project with Mercy Corps in May of 2023. They also received a $7 million donation from MacKenzie Scott in 2023. That same year, Dianne Calvi, Village Enterprise's CEO and President, was honored with the President's Award for the Advancement of the Common Good from Stanford University, and she had an op-ed published in Fortune on World Refugee Day. In 2022, IDinsight published the results of their independent randomized controlled trial of the Village Enterprise Development Impact Bond (see report here), and the Village Enterprise Development Impact Bond was featured in a 2022 Brookings event.

Please let me know if I can be of assistance in any way to having the page reinstated.

Best,

Brett BrettSlezak (talk) 21:02, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi @BrettSlezak I made an edit to re-set the deletion clock. Have a read of WP:ORG to understand the kind of sourcing needed if Village Enterprise is going to become an article. Feel free to be in touch if @Liz or I can be of help in any way. Star Mississippi 02:45, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Star Mississippi and @Liz,

Star Mississippi thank you for making an edit to re-set the deletion clock—I really appreciate it.

I've read WP:ORG to better understand the sourcing needed for Village Enterprise to become an article. I believe the following articles are significant, independent, reliable, and secondary sources proving Village Enterprise's notability: Devex's coverage of the results from the Village Enterprise Development Impact Bond (the first impact bond for poverty alleviation in Africa), Fast Company's World Changing Ideas Award for Village Enterprise, Mercy Corps, and IDinsight for their joint DREAMS initiative to serve refugees living in extreme poverty, coverage of Village Enterprise's business and saving group model and the impact it is having on an entrepreneur named Salome Lodis in Kenya in Nation, and coverage of Village Enterprise's poverty graduation model and results in an article on the poverty graduation approach in Vox (this article features multiple organizations and studies but significant attention is paid to Village Enterprise. The organization is also written about in this SSIR article from 2013. There was also a Brookings event on the Village Enterprise Development Impact Bond results — multiple stakeholders from the project were part of a panel, including Village Enterprise's Taddeo Muriuki.

With those articles in mind, what is needed to get the Village Enterprise Wikipedia article back up? I'm happy to look at the draft and provide suggested edits here with sourcing for yourself to review. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. BrettSlezak (talk) 23:29, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

HI @BrettSlezak and thanks for your note.

While I'm not sure that sourcing is sufficient, others may disagree. In order to make this sourcing stand out, I'd remove things like the founders' pledge and charity newswire which add to volume of sourcing but don't add to notability. You'd then be welcome to re-submit it through WP:AFC for review. You're not required to, but since you noted you're an employee (and thank you for doing so) it's best practice to do so. Let me know if you need help with that. Happy to as I can. Star Mississippi 03:12, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Star Mississippi, thanks for all of your help. Is the best way for me to submit my edits for review to directly edit the Draft: Village Enterprise and then to submit it through WP:AFC? Just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly. I've re-written and re-sourced the entire article in a Google Doc for the time-being, so once if this is correct, I should be able to update it soon. Thanks again. BrettSlezak (talk) 22:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

• so once I know if this correct (typo - my bad) BrettSlezak (talk) 22:18, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

  Hi @Star Mississippi and @Liz,

  Just wanted to resubmit my question—is the best way for me to submit edits for review to directly edit the Draft: Village Enterprise and then to submit it through WP:AFC? Thanks for all of your help! BrettSlezak (talk) 23:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks for the ping and apologies for missing your prior note @BrettSlezak. Yes, you can add your re-write to the existing draft and re-submit it. I'd note on the Talk that you have done so in order for a large edit not to concern folks about a copyright/copy paste which isn't the case here. Star Mississippi 01:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

  Hi @Star Mississippi, thanks for all of your help. I just wanted to update you that I have submitted my rewrite of Draft:Village Enterprise through WP:AFC. I've also noted my rewrite on the Talk so hopefully it doesn't cause any concerns.

  Thanks again for all of your help. I'm looking forward to the rewrite being reviewed. BrettSlezak (talk) 19:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

User:CiceroHunter

Hi, Liz. Based on the discussions on Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:CiceroHunter could the discussion be closed and could the userpage and subpages be redirected to my main account as the last comment suggested if possible I'd be happy if they were to be redirected to my main current userpage and account. Is this doable? Regards. ShadowWarfare 21:26, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ShadowWarfare,

I should have read this message more carefully before running over to MFD to check out the status of the discussion. I relisted the discussion since it had such low participation so I don't think I can immediately close it now. This discussion had no consensus so unless there is a new rush of editors to offer their opinion, it is likely to close as "No consensus" and then you can redirect the pages yourself. But please wait until it closes which should be in a day or two.

I really apologize for how long this discussion has been open, we don't have as many admins and NAC editors closing discussions on MFD and, in fact, I've only closed 2 or 3 myself. I'm sorry that you find the atmosphere on Wikipedia toxic. Over the 10 years I've been editing the project, I've taken two breaks, early on for 6 months and later for 2 years until I returned in 2018. I found myself involved in disputes with editors that looked like they would last a lifetime but when I returned both times, those editors had moved on from editing. Sometimes you just need a WikiBreak. But don't worry, we'll get this resolved for you. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 01:09, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh. I acted first, closed the MfD, and then found this. I missed the date you relisted the discussion. Sorry Liz. ShadowWarfare you may want to redirect any other subpages. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 19:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks done, I'll leave my email address on the account preferences because I may come back in the future as I'm not ruling it out but for now I'm not happy with editing the site . Thanks for the help though. ShadowWarfare 22:49, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Hibaq Jama for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Hibaq Jama is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hibaq Jama until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

Pseudoname1 (talk) 00:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Pseudoname1,

I made one small edit to this article over 2 years ago. Why are you giving me this notice? It typically goes to the page creator and other major contributors. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 00:56, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello User:Liz,

Thank you for your reply. Apologies for the intrusion, but I thought I would try to engage some of the article's most recent contributors, particularly those who have had previous involvement in the deletion proposals. The original creator appears to have been banned from editing English Wikipedia and any other substantive edits have been thin on the ground as you might imagine.

Sorry once again for sending you this, however- this is my first AFD nomination and I realise I might have overcooked it on the courtesy notifications.

Feel free to delete this notice if you wish though, I'll harbour no ill will :) Pseudoname1 (talk) 01:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Pseudoname1,

I was more curious than upset because we have an ongoing problem with deletion nominators not informing ANY content creators when they nominate articles for deletion. So, for you to go beyond the necessary to consider other editors who might be interested is admirable, I think. I'll check out the discussion as it progresses. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 01:11, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Liz,

Brilliant, thanks for the feedback and for offering to keep tabs on the discussion :) Pseudoname1 (talk) 01:17, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Wrt Jest (framework)

Hey,

Would it be possible to undelete Jest (framework) ? My understanding is that it is one of the leading testing frameworks in the Computer science industry with multiple sources:

• https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-30826-0_4
• https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/10301340
• https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-1-4842-9648-6_2
• https://books.google.co.in/books?hl=en&lr=&id=Rhl1CgAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP116&dq=jest+testing+framework&ots=JlrtvDxQSE&sig=DmCYIqUeYi4NqMgFXZlMEFzcJf4#v=onepage&q=jest%20testing%20framework&f=false

Sohom (talk) 08:22, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Sohom,

The AFD was closed as a Soft Delete so the answer is "Yes". However, I'd like to ask you where you would like it to be restored. If I restore it to Draft or User space, then you'd be free to work on improving the article at your leisure. If I restore it to main space, you run the risk of it being renominated at a second AFD where, according to our guidelines, it can't be Soft Deleted again so if it was a Delete closure, it would be very difficult to restore it again. But it's your choice. Let me know. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 02:30, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Draft/Userspace works for me. Userspace would be better since it does not have a weird expiry period :) Sohom (talk) 07:15, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Friendly ping in case you forgot to restore to userspace ? Sohom (talk) 18:31, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Advice about possible mis-use of userspace

Could you look at this and advise me on whether I'm correct that this is mis-use, and what to do next? Possibly open a MfD? ☆ Bri (talk) 19:50, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Bri,

I didn't check all of those pages but I'm assuming they are copies of main space articles posted in User space? That is definitely discouraged. So far, the editor has not responded to your message.

Honestly, I don't think it's worth you pursuing this matter even though you are probably right. WP:MFD has its own unwritten rules and regulars and what I've noticed is that they frown on editors who patrol other editor's User pages and judge it to be unproductive busywork. They usually Keep nominated User pages unless they are clear violations of CSD G5 or they have content that violates BLP guidelines or has racist or other offensive content. We have millions and millions of User pages that probably merit deletion for being abandoned and useless but it's extremely difficult to get them deleted unless they can be CSD G5'd or have objectionable content. It's to the point where no one even proposes their deletion through a new CSD criteria any more, I imagine because veteran editors would argue against it. But this is all just my observation, not based in any policy. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 02:26, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

AfD formatting

Something has gone wrong here with the script, I couldn't work it out though - sorry for not fixing. Daniel (talk) 02:07, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Daniel,

I don't see that you made any edits to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Discovery of the nonmetals so I'm unclear on what might have gone wrong.

I don't know if you've noticed but I think about 5% of the time, XFDcloser screws up the relisting of AFD discussions. It happened to me last night. XFDcloser either a) doesn't remove the AFD from the current day's AFD daily log (1/3/23) or b) it doesn't repost the AFD on the future AFD daily log (1/10/23) or c) the worst, it removes the AFD from the current daily log and doesn't post the AFD on the future daily log. We used to have one or two editors who used to hunt down AFD discussions that fell through the cracks like this and just disappeared from the daily logs but I think they've moved on to other tasks. Unless the nominator keeps track of them, AFD discussions can linger on, unclosed for months if they are not reposted to the future AFD daily log. Luckily, this doesn't happen that often. I've meant to post about this at Wikipedia talk:XFDcloser but questions there often go unresponded to so I guess the developers are AWOL. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 02:16, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Confirming I didn't make any edits there - I was just running through the daily log page and because something was breaking the shading of the discussion, the daily log was a mess. I've also found that the relist function sometimes fails, I've now started checking to make sure it edits the new log to paste it on to avoid having debates end up in the void. Daniel (talk) 02:19, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Sock returned

You might want to look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Marxist Economist#10 January 2024. ShaanSengupta<sup>Talk</sup> 02:28, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Shaan Sengupta,

Thank you for letting me know. It sure looks like the same editor. They maintain a high level of activity when they do edit. Unfortunately, they seem persistent so they might frequently create new accounts. You have become very skilled at filing SPI cases which makes things easier for checkusers and SPI clerks. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 00:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Liz. One more was found as Confirmed by CU. They are blocked now. Let's see if they return again which I strongly believe they will very soon (might have made a new account by now). Also the case in now merged Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Srimonbanik2007. ShaanSengupta<sup>Talk</sup> 05:34, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Recently deleted page: William Macintyre

Hi Liz,

I was just wondering why you deleted my page on William Macintyre, and wasn’t just left as a draft so I could improve it. Is there something that I have done wrong? If so, how can I retrieve information to improve the page whilst it still being a draft?

Thank you. Certified Formula Neek (talk) 18:30, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Certified Formula Neek,

Draft:William Macintyre (racing driver) was a redirect page, it had no content on it. It redirected to William Macintyre (racing driver) which was deleted as a redirect from main space to Draft space, CSD R2. That article was moved to Draft:William Macintyre where you can find the articles and continue to work on it. If you look at your own Contributions page, you can see where pages have been relocated to. Good luck! Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 00:43, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Ah ok. Thank you very much, I didn't realise that! Certified Formula Neek (talk) 06:42, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Userboxes and WP:CSD#G5

Hi Liz,

As pages created before the earliest block/ban on any account are ineligible for WP:CSD#G5, I ask that you revert your recent G5 deletions of pages created by the Miyera20 sockfarm. I'm unware of any more significant abuse and those pages are mostly sitting around harmlessly. Cheers, <sup>Complex</sup>/<sub>Rational</sub> 00:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ComplexRational,

I checked the SPI case but it looks like I made a major mistake here. I replied to you on the user talk page of the editor who tagged all of those pages. It looks like I'll be spending a good amount of time tonight restoring pages and reverting tagging. I'm sorry for this inconvenience and I'm grateful that you are holding me accountable to be more careful in my admin responsiblities. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 00:39, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

No worries, I've done the same thing before. (And we were typing our respective messages at the same time, so I didn't see the ping until I finished writing here.) <sup>Complex</sup>/<sub>Rational</sub> 00:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Liz, remember when I told you how much time Twinkle's batch-undelete feature can save? Now you can see for yourself! I put the list of deleted userboxes at User:Extraordinary Writ/sandbox7, so if you go to that page, choose "Und-batch" from the Twinkle menu, and enter your reason, it should undelete all 92 pages for you in short order. It unfortunately doesn't remove the deletion tags, but you should be able to do that fairly quickly by just rollbacking the relevant edits. Let me know if you run into any issues. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh wow, Extraordinary Writ, I have never done a batch undelete before. Thanks for showing me how. I'm working on another task right now and I hope those pages do not get re-deleted before I can remove the CSD tags.

By the way, is it possible to use Twinkle to tag a list of pages? I see some editors/admins to mass tagging of pages, all occurring at the same minute, and the only way I can guess that they are able to do this is by using Twinkle. Or is it AWB? Thanks again so much for creating this list for me. Much appreciated. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 01:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Happy to help. I don't think Twinkle can mass-tag pages. AWB is definitely a possibility, or they could just be opening pages in multiple tabs and tagging them all at once, or there could be some other script I'm not familiar with. If there's a particular example you're thinking of, let me know and I can try to figure it out. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, they are instances like the one here that I responded to incorrectly, editors/admins mass-tagging pages CSD G5 or mass-tagging empty categories CSD C1. I am intimidated by AWB and afraid to doing any mass-editing projects just in case another mistake like this one happens. But I know there are plenty of editors like BD2412 or BrownHairedGirl who used AWB without problems. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 01:41, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Looks like the userboxes were all tagged manually. Usually the diff will tell you if Twinkle, AWB, JWB, etc. were used, although that isn't foolproof. I certainly understand the hesitancy to use AWB; I've had my share of problems with it and try not to use it unless I have to. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 02:47, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I know AWB wasn't used this time but I've seen a mass page tagging in the past. Always wondered how this was done. Maybe if I get some free time (hah!) I'll look into AWB and give it another try. I don't take on mass-editing projects like moving commas or fixing references so I'm not sure how useful it would be for the regular tasks I take on. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 02:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

I used massRollback to undo some of the CSD taggings from the user contributions page. I found it very effective (though it does carry a risk of misfiring) – maybe you'd like to use it as well. <sup>Complex</sup>/<sub>Rational</sub> 03:56, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ComplexRational,

I've never tried that, thanks for the suggestion. Is there a way to "Mass roll forward" an edit and mass tag, just like mass rollback only in reverse? I'm almost done with reverting these CSD G5 edits. But I got halfway through doing it and thought, why isn't the editor who placed the CSD tags reverting themselves? Why am I doing this?! But it needs to be done and I'm online so be it. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 04:01, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

That's what the mop and bucket are for...

I'm not aware of any tool for mass tagging – only Special:Nuke to go right ahead and delete – though I also generally don't do large-scale semi-automated editing. <sup>Complex</sup>/<sub>Rational</sub> 04:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for all of the help and support, especially you, Extraordinary Writ, for those last reverts. Much appreciated! Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 05:35, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

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Scam? Need help please Liz

Hi Liz. I had someone message me on instagram and say they will publish my site for 200. They published it and deleted it. Can you help me? Thanks! Ravenhockey10 (talk) 22:29, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Ravenhockey10,

What is the article? Do you know the editor's name? You shouldn't pay for Wikipedia services, no one can guarantee that an article won't be deleted. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 22:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Henry Gendus. I track and follow hedgefund managers and made an edit page for him. Ravenhockey10 (talk) 22:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

AlexHardy20 was the user who edited my original submission to publish it and deleted it. I thought I did everything correct that’s why I agreed to talk with him. Very convincing! Ravenhockey10 (talk) 22:59, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Ravenhockey10,

I have blocked User:Alexhardy20 because they violated Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure guidelines. I believe your article is still available in Draft space at Draft:Henry Gendus. You can always go to your User page and look at your Contributions (in the left-hand column of the page). For your information, an editor, especially a very new editor, can not get a page deleted. They can "tag" a page to be considered for deletion but all tagged pages are reviewed by an administrator first. I'm not sure how they even came across your draft and tracked you down. It might be because you use the same username across platforms. Any way, all they did was move your unapproved draft article to main space, they didn't edit it so it's still in the state that you left it.

If you have questions about getting your draft accepted, ask the AFC reviewer who declined the draft for advice or go Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles_ for creation/Help desk or the Teahouse for help and advice. I'm sorry you were scammed. You might report the account that contacted you on Instagram. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 23:09, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I really appreciate all of your help. Can I easily fine the AFC user who declined my draft? Ravenhockey10 (talk) 23:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Ravenhockey10,

I was mistaken! This draft has never been reviewed before so I submitted it for you, I hope that is okay. These days, drafts are often reviewed quickly so hopefully you will hear something back in the near future. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 01:02, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Any help getting it done would be great!! I tried reading thru articles and advice. Just a lot to take in. Ravenhockey10 (talk) 01:05, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Ravenhockey10,

Well, the important thing to know is that there are resources (some much much better than me!) that you can go to for help. Wikipedia has an awful lot of pages about policies and guidelines, plus a Manual of Style and it is a lot to absorb for new editors. What you don't want to do is to move a draft to the main space of the project too soon, that is what Alexhardy20 did and that can result in an article deletion. Draft space is a safe space you can work in to improve the article. The only reason it would be deleted is if it is seen as advertising or too promotional. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 02:14, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

WikiProject Vital shortcuts

Hello! Just noticed you deleted the shortcuts of the WikiProject Vital articles of the level 5 subpages, I had just created them, not sure I follow the reasoning provided that they didn't exist. Cheers. The Blue Rider 22:45, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, The Blue Rider,

They were orphaned talk pages which are deleted according to CSD G8 guidelines. Unless they are exempt from deletion because the page itself contains content that we want to keep, we delete orphaned talk page (with no accompanying article or project page). If there was a project page redirect, then there can be a talk page redirect. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 22:51, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Alpaslan Pehlivanlı

Hi Liz, I'm giving Drmies the evening off--maybe you can help. This is in awful shape since being commandeered by an editor with WP:COI: [29]. Claims like this are just bizarre [30]. My take is that the article can revert to its last stable version [31], but someone will have a fit, and it may be construed as vandalism if I do it. Perhaps there's something salvageable in that mess, but is it worth picking through? Thanks, 2601:19E:4180:6D50:FC5D:2927:11BD:DF5 (talk) 03:38, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The article is indeed in a dreadful state. I have reverted it to a reasonable stub. Bishonen | tålk 09:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC).

Thank you! And done without consulting the Turkish Parliament. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:FC5D:2927:11BD:DF5 (talk) 14:43, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023–24 Liberal Party of Australia preselections

Hi there, could you please restore a copy of this article so that it can be improved as a draft? Thanks. Onetwothreeip (talk) 10:52, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Sadaqah Jariyah

Why was the page 'Sadaqah Jariyah' deleted, and how can it be restored? It is a crucial page in 'Islam,' providing a neutral explanation of the topic supported by appropriate references. Why was it removed? مستر (talk) 11:12, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@مستر: It was not deleted, but it was sent to draft space for further improvements. I will suggest you replace blogs with WP:RS. If you don't have it already, here is your link to your draft. Thanks. Maliner (talk) 12:02, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Request for guidance and possibly your action

Hi liz Let me thank you again for reviving the draft Draft:Mehdi Mirza Mehdi Tehrani for me. I updated the draft a lot and consulted with experienced editors and some managers.see this: here and here Currently, there are two detailed comments above the draft. I would be very happy and honored if you have time or if you would like to take a look at this draft. Assuming good faith, I'll make it clear that I don't want to take up your valuable time, but I'd greatly appreciate your guidance and possibly your action. —Patricia (Talk) 14:32, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

@Patricia Mannerheim: Reviewed. Maliner (talk) 14:56, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Maliner (I apologize to liz the owner of the page) Sources that appear to be interviews are independently subjected to an unbiased review of the subject's work. They are in English. You definitely didn't feel like reading. I had explained in detail in the comment above the draft. You deleted it. I strongly object to the rejection of the draft. —Patricia (Talk) 15:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

is this Interviews? or Or is the independent and secondary source in-depth about the subject?here.—Patricia (Talk) 15:22, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

I have replied to you on your talk page. Maliner (talk) 15:31, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aranxa Vega

You closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aranxa Vega even though there were no relists, and two deletes, and one keep. Given most of the discussion was in the 5 hours before you closed it - shouldn't this be a relist? Thanks, Nfitz (talk) 17:46, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Nfitz,

 Done I didn't notice that the two most recently expressed opinions occurred right before my closure. So, I restored the article and relisted the AFD discussion. I will let another administrator close this discussion. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 00:39, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Nfitz (talk) 01:11, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Question about categories marked empty

I created the "User mns" categories for people who speak the Mansi language per request of another user. The reason the categories might be empty is because I created the pages six hours before you marked them empty. I think this may have been a misunderstanding on my part, and I'm not sure if I was even supposed to create those categories and rather only the ones that were currently in use. Thanks, Urban Versis 32<sup>KB</sup> ⚡ <sup>(talk / contribs)</sup> 14:39, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Urban Versis 32,

Yes, we have a policy about not retaining empty categories, ones that are not being used, on the project. There are a few exceptions to this policy guideline including category redirects, category disambiguation pages and categories associated with WikiProjects that are empty at some times but might be used in the future. Those WikiProject categories are tagged {{emptycat}} to mark that the categories might be occasionally empty.

I have seen some User language categories that have the "empty cat" tag on them but please only use it for categories that realistically will be occupied by a User page. Not every level of language proficiency for every obscure language should have its own category page if it's unlikely that we will see new editors coming in with that specific language fluency. So, it's a judgement call and I ask that you not overuse the tag and to be realistic. I hope this helps explain how we handle empty categories on the project. Thank you. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 00:50, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much, I didn't understand this before but now I see how the empty categories work. Thanks again, Urban Versis 32<sup>KB</sup> ⚡ <sup>(talk / contribs)</sup> 17:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Babel AutoCreate

Could you please not post empty category notifications to User talk:Babel AutoCreate? It's an automated bot and doesn't care if a category it creates is now empty. Thanks. * Pppery * <sub>it has begun...</sub> 19:01, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, * Pppery *,

Of course, you are right, I don't know why I didn't recognize it was a bot. I'll cease notifications but we have gotten two recent floods of empty categories and I doubt we'll have another one in this same subject area. Any way, thanks for bringing this oversight to my attention. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 00:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Mahmoud Al Aswad

Hey Liz, any chance you can drafity the page Mahmoud Al Aswad that I believe was deleted per consensus? The player is in a major tournament right now, and I think I found enough coverage to satisfy GNG. Let me know. Cheers!--Ortizesp (talk) 00:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

And maybe Mohammed Khalil as well, in case it's the page for a footballer, not if otherwise. Cheers! Ortizesp (talk) 00:34, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

@Liz: Any update on this? Hope you're well! Ortizesp (talk) 21:36, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Ortizesp,

Thanks for coming back, I lose track of my user talk page messages regularly, it's terrible, I know. I can restore Mahmoud Al Aswad to Draft space but you need to submit it to WP:AFC for review and, hopefully, acceptance. If it gets moved right back to main space, it likely will be tagged for CSD G4 speedy deletion. This is standard practice when restoring articles that have been deleted through AFD and this was an easy Delete decision based on the participation.

I can't restore Mohammed Khalil as that was created by a sockpuppet. There was only two edits to the article so I assume you can reproduce the content just as easily. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 02:31, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Okay, no problem Liz I've recreated the above with more references. However, may I request the draft article for Samer Jundi? Same situation as the above, was called up to a major tournament so now has significant coverage. Thanks!--Ortizesp (talk) 20:08, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Entries for deleted articles in DOY articles

Hi Liz, I'm sure you're really busy, but this is just a wee tip ;). When an article is deleted (e.g. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saúl Lara (footballer)), the corresponding entry/ies on the relevant DOY articles should be removed in their entirety, not just have the wiki link removed. You can see the style guide for DOY articles here. Thanks a lot! Kiwipete (talk) 07:23, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kiwipete,

First you are going to have to explain what a "DOY article" is. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 07:25, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, Day Of Year. I was referring to this edit. Kiwipete (talk) 07:31, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

MAC service data unit

I've been taking a brief break from PRODPATROL but noticed the effects of this deletion in my watchlist. I've requested a refund. I see that you've deleted incoming links to this. If I find a more productive solution to this, we're going to want to undo all that. Non-trivial incoming links are a flag indicating a poor PROD candidate. ~Kvng (talk) 13:28, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dahlia Lynley-Chivers

The redirect of List of The Southern Vampire Mysteries characters was literally done yesterday, and I've undone it citing your closing rationale as a reason it needs to at least be looked at before being redirected. Would you mind restoring the subject fictional element as a redirect to the now-unredirected list? Cheers, Jclemens (talk) 21:27, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Delete a page in my domain

Why did you refuse to delete a page in my personal domain, knowing that it does not contain many links and is more than two years old? مستر (talk) 23:26, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

User:مستر please review WP:CSD. The page is not eligible for WP:U2, which excludes redirects from page moves. It is not eligible for WP:U1 which does not apply to user talk pages. WP:CSD is only for specific narrowly defined circumstances and none of them cover that page. You may still delete the page by listing it at WP:RFD. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:7186:1FB7:1CA:90A5 (talk) 23:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

It is a page within my personal domain and is not included in WP:RFD please delete it. مستر (talk) 23:37, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

User:مستر The term you are looking for is userspace, and it is within your, now former, userspace, but WP:U1 contains an exception for user talk pages. Please read WP:CSD before tagging any additional pages for deletion, especially WP:U1 and WP:U2. If you still find yourself confused afterword then start a thread at the WP:TEAHOUSE asking for additional explanation with a link back to this discussion, thank you. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:7186:1FB7:1CA:90A5 (talk) 23:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:19th-century Bahraini poets has been nominated for deletion

Category:19th-century Bahraini poets has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 02:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:19th-century Bahraini writers has been nominated for deletion

Category:19th-century Bahraini writers has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 02:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

You've got mail

Hello, Liz. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:26, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Vanderwaalforces,

Thanks for letting me know. I'll check my email account today. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 21:55, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

G12 of Stoyan Yankoulov

Please see WP:Requests for undeletion#Stoyan Yankoulov where you were pinged. Jay 💬 13:21, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Jay,

Responded to. Thanks for alerting me. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 21:54, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Category:A-Class Weather articles

Can you restore this? That was a tracking category. Schierbecker (talk) 21:41, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Schierbecker,

 Done Category:A-Class Weather articles had been blanked and treated as a regular CSD C1 empty category. Empty categories can always be restored if they are needed and this one shouldn't have had the "Empty category" tag removed from it. Glad I could help. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 21:45, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Is WP:WPWX's consensus to deprecate the A-class rating invalidated as a result of a move to push ratings away from wikiprojects? We had deprecated A-class last year since there wasnt a working, consistent review process for it. Noah, AA<sup>Talk</sup> 22:03, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

@Liz: Noah, AA<sup>Talk</sup> 02:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

CFD follow up

Hi Liz,

I closed that discussion as merge, then I listed it on WT:CFD/W for the bot to take care of. Processing times there are 1-2 days usually as only a few admins process requests there. It would have been merged, eventually. Seawolf35 <sup>T--C</sup> 22:51, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Seawolf35,

Thank you, I appreciate the explanation. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 22:52, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Western Maryland football

Hello Liz, would you be willing to restore the soft deleted 1893 Western Maryland Green Terror football team to draftspace? You can do the same for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1892 Western Maryland Green Terror football team. I plan on making a combined merger article in accordance with WP:NSEASONS at some point soon and this would assist. Thanks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:45, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

@Liz if you're slammed and otherwise OK with this, happy to do it for @BeanieFan11 on your behalf. Star Mississippi 14:10, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Any updates, Liz or @Star Mississippi:? BeanieFan11 (talk) 13:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Apologies @BeanieFan11, I forgot about this. I've draftified the one that's closed since it was a soft delete.

Since the latter was just relisted, I'm not going to close it but if it doesn't close as draft feel free to ping me and I'm happy to provide as it's a sensible outcome Star Mississippi 13:31, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Unattributed page splits?

Hi Liz! I wanted to ask you something:

This new article Alexander the Great in Islamic tradition is a copy paste from Theories about Alexander the Great in the Quran#Arabic and Islamic depictions of Alexander the Great. The page creator mentioned splitting it on the talk page of the original article, and I think that makes sense but might need consensus. Is it eligible for a histmerge to make sure its attributed or should something else be done with it? BuySomeApples (talk) 01:17, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Balochistan Youth Action Committee

Hi Liz! I was wondering if you would be able to expand on your rationale for closing Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Balochistan Youth Action Committee as no consensus? From where I am standing (though I am biased), it seems like there was fairly clear consensus for deleting the article. I do not see anyone arguing for redirecting or merging the article (contrary to the closing statement), and people advocating to keep the article had WP:ITSUSEFUL or WP:ILIKEIT arguments. Best, HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:16, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, House,

I'd be willing to revert my closure and relist the discussion. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 08:11, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

That would be appreciated; thank you! HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 20:31, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

James Mason (wrestler)

Hi, you previously closed as deleted a deletion debate for this article due to not enough RS. I have found some more sources for this article and would appreciate it if you could contribute to the follow up discussion at User talk:Sionk#James Mason (wrestler). Thank you. Romomusicfan (talk) 08:06, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Florentine Renaissance art

Care to explain this edit? It seems very odd to me. Johnbod (talk) 17:41, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Never mind - someone else has reverted it. Johnbod (talk) 14:30, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ziad_Sakr

Hi Liz,

I am hoping you would comment on or suggest a solution for the AfD Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ziad_Sakr as the dialogue between myself and Namexre does not seem to be producing productive results and the length may be preventing others from weighing into the AfD. Any guidance from you would be appreciated. KeepItGoingForward (talk) 22:05, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, KeepItGoingForward,

I'll look at it over the next day. I might "hat" some parts of the discussion if it doesn't look productive. I was also thinking, you could choose to withdraw this AFD nomination and redo it at a later date. It's hard to predict how many editors are going to come and participate in a deletion discussion. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 02:49, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good on the "hat" of some parts of the discussion.

It appears your relisting the AfD got other editors involved in the AFD nomination process, so I don't believe I need to withdrawal it now. Though, I did not realize one could withdrawal an AFD, unless it is a speedy keep, so what is the process for other reasons? KeepItGoingForward (talk) 07:32, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

@KeepItGoingForward: You can't withdraw this nomination. Already, three different editors voted delete there. So withdrawing this nomination will be a bad idea, at least in this case. Thanks. Maliner (talk) 07:40, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

I agree that it does not need to be withdrawn, but I am still curious what the process would have been before editors commented on it. KeepItGoingForward (talk) 05:40, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

@KeepItGoingForward: Please see your talk page. I have replied there. Maliner (talk) 07:21, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Deleted articles

Why do you only remove the link for a deleted article, e.g. Athos Careghi? If they're not notable, then they don't belong in name lists. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Clarityfiend,

The answer is more complicated than you might realize. When an admin deletes an article through an AFD discussion, XFDCloser removes links and sometimes the entire mention of the deleted article subject. It's possible to go mention by mention through a list and make individual choices. But admins don't actually go to each article where there is a mention, we are working through the editing tools that were developed to do acts like close deletion discussions and this is how XFDCloser works.

If however, the article was deleted through Proposed deletion or tagged for a CSD criteria, most often Twinkle is used for those deletion. With Twinkle, there is an option to remove red links but not the mentions of the article subject. When I was a new administrator, I was told that I was always supposed to remove red links for deleted articles but it's that's not policy, it's just a practice I was told to do. But other admins do not use the option to remove red links. Or they use the Drop Down menu to select Page>Delete and fill in the reason for deletion and delete a page that way. This old-fashioned method doesn't do anything with broken red links or mentions unless the admin chooses to take the time to see "What links here" but I don't know how often that is done with admins who handle a lot of page deletions.

So, that's the backside of deleting a page. And when your workload invoves deleting dozens or even hundreds of pages each day, it becomes more and more unfeasible to visit each article that has a mention of a deleted article subject. The only realistic change I can imagine is asking do we leave the red links and mentions, or do we remove the red links? Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 01:33, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Okay, understood. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:38, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Clarityfiend,

I think the situation might be different and we would be handling things the old-fashioned way if we had more admins each helping out a little bit in deletions instead of a smaller number of admins who handle the bulk of them. But given the smaller number of active admins and the tendency of many of us to specialize in certain areas, this is the system that has evolved. I don't think it is optimal but I guess we need to persuade newly minted admins to help out with tasks in the deletion areas, too. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 02:47, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind my .02 here @Liz. @Clarityfiend in addition to what Liz says, I don't think the issue is super settled among the community. As you can see at User_talk:Liz#Deleting_info_from_lists, @FkpCascais sees it differently than you do re: retention. I don't think there's an easy/clear way to act on these. When I close an AfD I try to judge whether it makes sense to retain, but if it's not a subject area I know it's a toss up Star Mississippi 14:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

My logic is that if you make a list about "People who climbed Everest" you may not find every single entry valid for having an article, but if you make a list, you certainly must include them all, weather deserving a wikipedia article, or not. See my point? This player may not deserve an article by himself, but he played in the mentioned league so he should not be erased from the list. He must be listed, without link then, rather than missinforming reasers ignoring him and not listing him at all. FkpCascais (talk) 21:41, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm talking about given name lists. We don't include just any Athos, only the notable ones. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:33, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

No we dont. If the list says "All X people who menaged X" we DO NOT include only the ones with wiki article. We include them all that fit the inclusion criterium and link the ones having articles and leave unlinked the ones that dont. This is not about Wikipedia articles list, this is an online encyclopedia that provides complete information. FkpCascais (talk) 18:21, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

About to step offline for a few hours but just pointing a pointer here back to the discussion on my Talk. Not sure Liz wants us camped out here, but I'm not sure the best noticeboard for this conversation either. It should be somewhere central as I imagine far more than each of you disagree on what we do/don't do. Star Mississippi 19:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

• (talk page watcher) Unlinking is optimal, imo. Redlinks are for subjects that deserve an article. The fact that it just got deleted shows that's not the case just then, so it needs to be unlinked. Whether to remove entirely is an editorial decision (either could be correct depending on the inclusion criteria being used) that an admin need not get involved in while performing an administrative task. Or you may get yourself involved in hundreds or thousands of content disputes in topics you don't even care about and couldn't possibly handle. Usedtobecool ☎️ 02:10, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

  Any idea where this conversation would be most productive? Not sure if it's VP material but feels like it needs more eyes. Star Mississippi 02:57, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Star Mississippi, the deletion instructions for AFD come from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Administrator instructions. Analogous instructions are also at WP:CSD and WP:PROD, both of which happen to be policy, making those instructions policy also. AFD instructions page does not have a PAG status. However, I am confident that despite their policy status, CSD and PROD pages inherit those instructions simply from WP:Deletion process which has guideline status. It also happens to have a decent number of watchers. As such, the first discussions should probably be had there. Discussions would only make sense if anybody disagrees with the policies and instructions as they are, or thinks them unclear. Since it would affect established deletion processes, multiple policy pages and presumably multiple automated tools, any change would require a WP:CENT RFC. Usedtobecool ☎️ 06:26, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks @Usedtobecool

  I've opened a discussion here Wikipedia_talk:Deletion_process#Unlinking_list_items_in_AfD_closures Star Mississippi 15:31, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Re: Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Mass media in Buftea

Hi Liz - you wrote: A tag has been placed....

I get these messages from you about the Mass Media by town categories every couple of weeks, it seems. It looks like someone has been going through them and systematically emptying them. I've no problem with them being deleted - I've been here long enough to know which battles are worth fighting and which aren't - but I'd like to know who has emptied them all and why. At the time I made them, they each had a minimum of six articles. Grutness...wha? 02:22, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Grutness,

Well, in this case, Drmies removed the solitary content of this category which then caused it to become empty. We have a script you can use to see any recent additions or removals from a category but it only goes back about a week or about 20-25 items. As for a concerted effort to empty categories on a particular subject, that actually happens, usually on a small level (like emptying a category that only hold one article) but I think anything of the scale you're thinking about would probably go through a CFD discussion. I doubt that Drmies had anything to do with the other categories that were deleted as empty categories. But you can either install the script yourself so you can see who is emptying these categories or you can bring them to me and I can see if there are any editors are trying to eliminate "Mass Media" categories. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 02:30, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Need Guidance on Handling a Sensitive AfC Submission

I am writing to seek your advice on a delicate matter I encountered in my role as an AfC reviewer. Recently, I reviewed a submission that was deeply personal and concerning. The submitter, apparently a teenager, expressed feelings of distress and thoughts of self-harm. This submission, while heartfelt, clearly does not meet Wikipedia’s content guidelines as it is a personal essay and not encyclopedic material. - [[32]]

Given the sensitive nature of the content, I am unsure about the best course of action. While the submission should not be accepted(I mean kept even as a draft and I don't know if it qualifies for CSD) on Wikipedia, I am concerned about the well-being of the individual. I understand that Wikipedia is not a platform for personal support, but I feel a responsibility to handle this situation with care and sensitivity. Quantum<sup>Realm</sup> (meow🦁 • pawtrack🐾) 05:55, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, QuantumRealm,

It looks like Primefac has already responded to this situation. I could only recommend that you report cases like this to Trust and Safety, I'll look for the link. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 06:46, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

The Trust and Safety page explains how to handle threats of self-harm. You might also post a Welcome message on their User talk page in addition to the deletion notice. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 06:48, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Liz! Quantum<sup>Realm</sup> (meow🦁 • pawtrack🐾) 07:54, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Antony_Natsoulas

Hello, I have already created the article Antony Natsoulas. I probably made a mistake when moving it. Can you help me briefly? Doc.Heintz (talk) 08:00, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Removal of CSD tag from MSA F.C. Kukar

Hi, wanted to ask why you removed the G5 tag? It's noted here

The user moved the page from MSA F.C. to MSA F.C. Kukar. Thanks. TLA (talk) 08:50, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Guidance on Moving Draft:Vxtreme to Main Space

I hope this message finds you well. I am writing to seek your advice and guidance regarding the draft article on Vxtreme. As I am still learning the intricacies of Wikipedia editing and the process of moving drafts to the main space, I would greatly appreciate your expertise in this area.

I noticed that you have been involved in the discussion page of the Vxtreme draft, and your insights were invaluable. I am keen to understand what steps are necessary to ensure that the draft meets Wikipedia's standards and can be successfully moved out of draft mode. Specifically, I am looking for advice on aspects such as sourcing, neutrality, and any other key elements that are essential for the draft to be considered ready for the main encyclopedia.

As an enthusiast eager to contribute meaningfully to Wikipedia, I am committed to learning and adhering to the best practices of Wikipedia editing. Your guidance on how to improve the Vxtreme draft and what criteria it needs to meet for moving it to the main space would be of great help.

Thank you for considering my request. I look forward to any advice or suggestions you might have.

Nilslahr (talk) 17:06, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Deletion review for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Balochistan Youth Action Committee

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Balochistan Youth Action Committee. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:07, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, HouseBlaster,

Thanks for letting me know. I'm not sure how I made such a mistake in an AFD closure. I'm sure it will be overturned. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 02:19, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done

Forgot to ping you in the close @HouseBlaster but assume you were watching anyway. Star Mississippi 02:42, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

It's so embarrassing when this happens, Star Mississippi. But considering the hundreds of main space, Draft space, project space and User space, pages I look at every day (between CSDs, PRODs and AFDs), it's almost inevitable that there will be mistakes. I have to do what I tell new editors: "Slow down!". Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 02:46, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

We're all human. And we're not paid unlike NFL refs who seem to take pride in blown calls (Says she, watching NFL playoffs!). You said oops, we saved seven days of bureaucracy and got the right outcome, which is what we all want. I just bombed an AfD nom entirely that I could only explain as "do I know how to read google?". Close and no harm no foul. Don't stress it. Star Mississippi 02:50, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Reverting my edits on categories

Hi Liz,

I see you are undoing the edits where I removed the merge tags from categories. Sorry about that, it is fine that you are reverting them. v/r - Seawolf35 <sup>T--C</sup> 18:32, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Nuvolo (Software Company)

Hi Liz!

I saw your message on my talk page about Nuvolo. I probably shouldn't have moved it back to mainspace, but they only moved it back to draftspace after I AfDed it. They originally moved it to mainspace themselves because it kept getting rejected at AfC (once by me, and also 3 other reviewers). Obviously page creators are allowed to not go through AfC so that's fine. If a page creator moves a page back to draftspace during an AfD, should I close the AfD as draftified or withdraw the nom since it's no longer relevant? BuySomeApples (talk) 04:54, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Technically, it's still not too late for me to close the AfD if they want to move it back to drafts instead. BuySomeApples (talk) 04:55, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

New message from Maliner

Hello, Liz. You have new messages at User talk:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft.
Message added 05:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Maliner (talk) 05:30, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Personal attck

You threatened me on my own talk page with this message: "This behavior, coming from a less experienced editor, makes me think that a block is called for."

Just because I am a less experienced editor doesn't mean I am wrong. Also, this is a WP:THREATEN attack. DementiaGaming (talk) 23:15, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, DementiaGaming,

I don't consider that an "attack", it was a warning that your behavior needed some improvement. Your user talk page is FULL of editors who take issue with your editing and have reverted your edits. You even received a block recently so it's not like I'm alone in noticing your "hostile" behavior as another editor put it. You even complained last month about editors threatening you so you seem to see threats on the part of others but not bad behavior when it comes from you.

If you have questions about editing on Wikipedia, the Teahouse is a place that is decidedly non-threatening. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 03:51, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hello,
I noticed you were online and wanted to ask you what I should do about legal threats?  Courtesy link: Talk:Latin Crown (Heraldry)  Thanks Geardona (talk to me?) 23:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Gone, page deleted. Forgot to get permalink, Sorry! Geardona (talk to me?) 23:15, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Geardona,

I saw the page before it was deleted and have asked the admin who deleted the article and talk page if further action should be taken. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 23:23, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

@CactusWriter was more lenient than I, I was hovering over an indef the last recreation of this even before the legal threat. What a mess. Star Mississippi 03:19, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! I actually was there as well to suggest salting! Geardona (talk to me?) 23:24, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, @JBW has INDEFfed which unfortunately seemed unavoidable. Star Mississippi 03:15, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

CSD C1

Hey Liz! Hope you're doing well, and thank you again for everything. I'm popping by because I wasn't expecting to be hit with ten C1 notices for categories I just created? Apparently per WP:C1 it's only for categories unpopulated after 7 days of emptiness. I just wanted to ask and make sure I wasn't doing anything wrong, or if the cats were otherwise grouped in during maintenance, or etc. It's no worries either way, all of these cats came about from fulfilling AFC/R requests, and I didn't realize it'd take more than 30 minutes to populate them... 🫠 Ah well, quite a bit to get through. Thanks again, Utopes <sub>(talk / cont)</sub> 03:51, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Utopes,

Sorry about that. Several times I day, I run a query to find empty categories and then I tag them CSD C1. I didn't really notice when they were created, all I knew is that they became empty since I last ran the query a few hours ago. If you expect them to not be empty, please revert all of my talk page notices and I'll untag the categories as they no longer are empty. Usually when we have a lot of suddenly empty categories, it's because some articles, categories or templates have been deleted in AFD/CFD/TFD discussions. But it happens all of the time so that didn't seem unusual to me.

I apologize if I overwhelmed your User talk page. It's just a coincidence that you created a whole bunch of categories right before I ran the empty category query and they all got listed. Just undo my notifications or I can take care of that step. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 03:59, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

You do know, I hope, that empty categories are tagged for 7 days so there is no urgency to fill them. This form of deletion is really not "speedy". Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 04:00, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah that's fair; while that may be true about C1, it does feel different seeing the notice posted in bold with multiple red exclamations. Certainly put some pep in my step to get it filled ASAP, regardless if there wasn't a time crunch! 😆 Utopes <sub>(talk / cont)</sub> 04:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict)All good, I was just startled a bit haha. Starting going double-time to fill in the cats because I wasn't sure whether they'd be gone by the hour 😅. I've removed the tags and notifs now that the cats are populated, but I appreciate the offer; I think everything seems to be in order :) Cheers, Utopes <sub>(talk / cont)</sub> 04:09, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Utopes,

No, no, both PRODs and CSD C1 empty categories are tagged for 7 days just in case things like this happen. Many categories are only temporarily empty and then the tag is removed. We really shouldn't even call it "speedy" deletion. Really, don't feel any pressure, nothing is going to happen for a week and I'm sure they won't be empty that long. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 04:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

paid user

Hey Liz, I wanted to state that I know this user NamanNomad (is a paid one) and you guesses when asked about managing the conflict of interests. Here I grabbed some evidence: User talk:Callanecc. Just FYI 89.151.38.106 (talk) 08:06, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

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Help

Can you help me for this? I believe the topic is fairly notable, and supporting reliable sources have not emerged during the discussion, what should I do in this case? Surə <sup>🗯</sup> 14:14, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Now at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 January 26. —Cryptic 14:32, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Attention: Help please Liz G Cleary re: Dalai lama wikki page.

hi Liz maybe, you're just the right person:

Dear FMPT member. Please read understand this important message. If I can be of any further assistance, please e-mail. 250124. if you type Dalai Lama age 23 -in search engine Bing MS 10/11. The page that appears is, a different page to the page you open if, you type Dalai lama age (prompt/link - popup window - Dalai lama age. 23) if you click prompt you get: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalai_Lama The 1st listing too appear - wiki. Dalai Lama. Has a bi-op paragraph that reads: A February 2023 video shows the Dalai Lama in the city of Dharamshala, India, asking a boy for a kiss on the lips, and then to suck his tongue…. (sic.) 250124 As not using the link/prompt takes you to normal page -no probs. Though factual, this Wikki post is malicious and, intended to be derogatory. The level of subterfuge involved has me concerned. As a practitioner I was grossly offended and still am. Further research: MS 11 Bing search: Dalia lama (prompt) 23 – prompt/ link - once again brings you through to this page. Google chrome is clean – go figure. Please comrade, we owe his HH a great debt and the dissemination of such obvious and offensive Hasbara I find concerning. With a wish that FMPT will act promptly to address this issue please. Sincerely. Graham RA Cleary. gclearyoutlookcom Melbourne. Aus.

if as much thanks. Very kind. G Gracleary3549 (talk) 17:18, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Wikipedia has no control over how search engines present content. The content is correctly sourced, so is unlikely to be removed from the article by Wikipedia users. Theroadislong (talk) 17:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Rapid tagging of new categories

Hi Liz - I notice that you have recently tagged around a hundred pages for speedy deletion. As you may be aware, the new Category page recently had a lengthy backlog (I think it was around 300-400, which took several weeks to clear). Tagging a category for speedy deletion within an hour of it being created isn't helpful - by definition there are at least 3 pages that can be added to the category, per the nomination. it could also be that the person nominating the category was away from Wikipedia for a few days, and it would be easy for them to come back and miss the whole thing, so that it's already deleted before they can start work. Please could you consider waiting a while longer before doing this in the future. 92.71.60.62 (talk) 10:28, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

You've Got Mail! Request for Revision Deletion

Hello, Liz. Please check your email; you've got mail! The subject is Request for Revision Deletion.
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Mergers, Acquisitions & Divestitures (talk) 18:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Liz. I just wanted to follow up on this. Mergers, Acquisitions & Divestitures (talk) 13:34, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Deletion of page

I don't understand why the article on Robert B. Martin was deleted. You all do not make things easy to look into. I have been editing it but now it is gone. Please help! SouthernDude67 (talk) 01:22, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

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I really don't understand how to contact you but can you please explain why the article on Robert B Martin Jr casting director was deleted by you? I've edited it a few times and all of the citations were correct. SouthernDude67 (talk) 01:28, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, SouthernDude67,

Please give me a link to the page that was deleted that you are talking about. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 09:38, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

hi Liz,

I'm not sure what you mean. You deleted it on 1/24 I think. I thought I included the time stamp but doesn't look like I did. I think it was around 22:50 on that date. I'm looking for for the notification I got so maybe I can copy and paste it. It sure is difficult to try to do anything on here! SouthernDude67 (talk) 01:25, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, SouthernDude67,

What I mean is give me a link to the deleted article. Like this [[Deleted article]]. Once I can get to the page, I can see who deleted it and why. I delete many pages every day, I don't want to scroll through hundreds of pages in my log pages to look for a page that was deleted at a specific time. You must know the name of the page if you are concerned about this. Thank you. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 01:31, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

I gave the name of the page, Robert B. Martin Jr. I'm not sure how to find a link to something that isn't there. I was going to make some edits again and it was gone. It's also not easy to navigate or find information. I'm going am still looking for the date I saw that it was deleted. But, I also resubmitted for review on Friday. SouthernDude67 (talk) 01:37, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Oh, my, this is not that complicated! Given what you said, I looked at Robert B. Martin Jr. page (this is what I was asking for) but it is a redirect to Draft:Robert B. Martin Jr.. I don't see a deleted page, just a deleted redirect. The only content I see is at Draft:Robert B. Martin Jr.. I see no deleted article. If you can give me a link to a deleted article with some version of this name, you can provide it here. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 01:45, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Robert b Martin Jris that what you mean?? SouthernDude67 (talk) 01:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, yes, that is what I mean. But that is a broken link to a nonexistent page. Go to Robert b Martin Jr and there is no page there so there was never an article here. Go to Robert B. Martin Jr. and you can see in the pink deletion tag that there was an article here that was moved to Draft space and the main space page was deleted. I just realize though that maybe you are seeing this site on a mobile device and you may not be able to see all of this! Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 01:52, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Liz,

I'm on a computer. I am a novice at this. I can't find the entire thread I saw on Friday that led me to you, but I see this:

19:20, 25 January 2024 Rosguill talk contribs moved page Robert B. Martin Jr. to Draft:Robert B. Martin Jr. without leaving a redirect (Likely COI, resubmit through AfC Reason/s: possible COI) (revert) Tag: moveToDraft (thank).

I didn't move the page looks like someone else did. I'm not sure why it was tagged COI. A few months ago when it was approved, it was linked to another Robert B Martin ("Robert B. Martin" redirects here. For the American director, see Robert B. Martin (casting director). I sent a request to remove it from that guy so maybe that is what caused the problem? Really sorry if that was the reason. I didn't think it needed a redirect since the names were a different. I thought putting in Robert B. Martin Jr would go to him but it was going to that guy. SouthernDude67 (talk) 02:04, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, it comes down to this. I didn't delete any article with this title that I can see. No content has been deleted, you can find it at Draft:Robert B. Martin Jr.. The next step is to work on the draft, submit it to Articles for Creation when you think it is "ready" and, if you have a Conflict-of-interest, you need to declare it on your User page. It's better to be honest about this, it's not bad to have a COI if you disclose it but being a "undisclosed paid editor" can result in an indefinite block.

Now, if you have questions about working on this draft, I encourage you to visit the Teahouse and work with the helpful editors there and AFC has a Help Desk as well where you can get answers about getting a draft review. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 02:14, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

OK thank you for the info. I couldn't find the "trail" that led me to you specifically but it was somewhere so perhaps it wasn't a deletion I saw. There were a lot of entries on it. I just assumed I was qualified to edit a lengthier article because I edited several others per the instructions on how to do that. I feared maybe that was the reason. Thanks again! SouthernDude67 (talk) 00:46, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

User talk:Nermast Betelgeuse Herman

You may wish to revoke TPA. Cahk (talk) 09:34, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Cahk,

 Done Sorry you were being badgered by them. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 09:37, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

All good. The person made the 187-189th vandalism to my user or talk page ... I am pretty used to it.--Cahk (talk) 09:39, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Charlie Allan

Hi Liz, with Charlie Allan (musician) and Charlie Allan (journalist) deleted and the former removed from the Charlie Allan disambiguation page, if the latter is also removed from the page, it no longer has a dab function. As the primary/only topic for the title, would the appropriate course be to replace the text of Charlie Allan with that at Charlie Allan (farmer) and turn the latter into a redirect, or some other course? Would that be a contentious move without discussion? Mutt Lunker (talk) 21:13, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Restoring newly-deleted Category for re-listing at CFD?

Hi Liz - Could you possibly restore Category:Native American people from the San Francisco Bay Area, which you just deleted a few hours ago, so it can be re-listed at CFD? The reason I'm making this request at all is because I asked the Closing editor (User:Qwerfjkl), a couple of days ago to please re-list the CFD - which had no actual discussion - before it got listed for merging at WP:CFDW. I was dearly hoping to avoid having to go thru Deletion Review.

User:Qwerfjkl was good enough to tell me, "There is no rush; the category can always be restored. I am happy to reopen the discussion if you give a reason why it should be kept." I unfortunately construed that to mean that he/she would hold off putting it into the queue for merging long enough for me to put together a halfway decent explanation/rationale for keeping it. (Which took me longer than expected due to some urgent family issues I needed to attend to.)

Anyhow, I was literally about to share with User:Qwerfjkl the explanatory info that I've put together, when I discovered that, alas! - the category had already/just been deleted. <shakes head in dismay> Is there any way you can reverse this, given the circumstances - or do I have no choice but to go thru the whole bothersome process at Deletion Review?? Regards, Anomalous+0 (talk) 09:48, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi again, Liz - I suspect you already know that User:Qwerfjkl went ahead and re-listed the category for further discussion. But I thought I should leave you a note, just in case... Best, Anomalous+0 (talk) 05:36, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

New message from Shearonink

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Elizabeth Van Lew § Recent additions of this article to Category:Crime and Punishment in Richmond, Virginia. Shearonink (talk) 16:07, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

User recreating non-notable page from draft

Hi there, Liz. The user Rohitlaxman keeps recreating the page Alva's Education Foundation even after I moved it to a new title Draft:Alva's Education Foundation. In my opinion, it's technically considered a WP:CUTANDPASTE since they decided to create a whole new page on the mainspace. Could you please review the page and delete it? I have tagged it with CSD G6 for this. Thank you. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 18:21, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Never mind, Deb already did it. Anyways, I'm glad I got the chance to ask you. NoobThreePointOh (talk) 19:01, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Redirection

Hi @Liz

Hello, I hope you are doing well. I would like to bring to your attention that I intended for a technical deletion rather than a redirection. To revert the title from 'Boughezoul–Laghouat Railway' to 'Boughezoul–Laghouat Line,' a move request was required. If possible, could you please remove the redirection and retain only 'Boughezoul–Laghouat Line'? Thank you. Regards. Riad Salih (talk) 05:07, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

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Draft:Caroline Henry

Could you please take a look at the editing history of this article which you deleted Apr 2023 as an abandoned draft?

It was moved from mainspace without any discussion, IIRC, so there's no trail to follow. I'd like to know the username who moved it, again IIRC, a UK-based editor, and also please check the talk page in case I'm not recalling accurately.

A redirect was created some time later (17 May 2023) linking to her husband's bio page Darren Henry. Thanks. 82.13.47.210 (talk) 20:30, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 82.13.47.210,

Okay, here's the abbreviated article page history. The draft article was first created in 2018, moved to main space and deleted after Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caroline Henry. There was a discussion about a redirect that was deleted via Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 April 16#Caroline Henry. The last version of an article was created on May 8, 2021 by User:D.j.atherton. It was moved from main space to Draft space on September 18, 2021 by User:Scope creep with the edit summary Not ready for mainspace, incubate in draftspace. Effectively unsourced for a BLP. The last edit to the draft was on October 24, 2022 by User:Moondragon21 and I deleted this abandoned draft six months later on April 24, 2023 which is speedy deletion policy (CSD G13). I have no idea where any of these editors are based. You can make guesses based on the userboxes they display but many times those are out-of-date or reflect an editing interest and not the places where editors live.

But since this article was deleted as a CSD G13, you can go to WP:REFUND and request that it be restored. If it is, you should submit it to Articles for Creation for review and not simply move it to main space as it can otherwise be deleted, CSD G4, as an article recreated that was deleted through AFD. The AFC review will help guide you on how to avoid this outcome. I hope this helps. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 20:49, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Many thanks - a bit more involved than I remembered! There is quite an important developing news story in England, and Caroline Henry's involvement (as a publicly-elected official) is just the latest development, so I'll keep an eye on it. There is a mention within an article, you can see it at University of Nottingham#June 2023 stabbings. regards, 82.13.47.210 (talk) 21:59, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

User:Padd13ear

Hi. I am not sure if this is the correct way to respond or not. On 1 November 2023 you edited my talk page and accused me of using multiple accounts. I am not intentionally doing that, but it appears there are two accounts, Padd13ear and Padd13ear (usurped), the latter of which was renamed from a former name. It seems I have unintentionally made some edits from one account and some from the other. I'm not sure how that has happened. Obviously, when I log in I give "Padd13ear" as my user name and not "Padd13ear (usurped)". Is there any way to merge the two accounts? Because that would be more satisfactory for all concerned. Sorry if I have unintentionally violated some policy, but I am doing my best.

User:What is this username?

This user, who you warned for vandalism, is clearly WP:NOTHERE. See also their PA here: User talk:What is this username?/Editnotice. A mix between subtle and blatant vandalism while playing the victim. Polyamorph (talk) 11:42, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I haven't fully assessed the situation, but I've deleted the aforementioned edit notice as an attack page. Isabelle Belato <sup>🏳‍🌈</sup> 11:57, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) I've indef'd them. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:48, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

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Unnecessary Blocking

Hey there Liz, Hope you're doing great. Lately, I've noticed there are some administrators who are cracking down against editors working for Pakistani television series and films. They are assuming every other editor to be a sock of User:Nauman335 which I feel is quite unfair. Just because certain editors are interested in the similar articles that doesn't makes them sock. There should be clear investigation of the matter as they have blocked multiple users just on the basis of suspect. Kindly look into the matter as I'm concerned about the future edits I'll contribute cause eventually they'll be removed. My account has been blocked too the same way. Please look into this, I'll be grateful to you. Thanks ! 182.182.55.176 (talk) 19:23, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 182.182.55.176,

Do you have more than one account that has been blocked? If so, then you ARE a sockpuppet. Maybe not of Nauman335 but you are committing block evasion. Be honest and accept that you are responsible for that. In that case, stop editing and take advantage of the Standard Offer.

If you only have one registered account that is blocked, then please make an unblock request on that account's user talk page. First, read Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks which will tell you what is expected and what a reviewing administrator wants to hear and see from you. But it doesn't help if you are editing logged out. If you have lost talk page access, then try Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System. I hope this helps. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 19:42, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Request Undeletion of Saticöy (Musical Artist)

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Hi Liz! I would like to request the undeletion of Draft:Saticöy as I think I can add more to the article now. Let me know if you need any more information, sorry to be a novice at this! Hoosierdaddyblue (talk) 00:48, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Hoosierdaddyblue,

 Done Draft:Saticöy is restored. Good luck! Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 00:58, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

CSD G6

Hello Liz! Thanks for reaching out to me last week or so about the concern with some of the CSD nominations of pages with incorrect parentheses. I responded a couple hours later at User talk:Utopes#WP:RFD; I'm not sure if you saw this, it's alright if not, but I was in full agreement with you re: the notion that "G6" should not be used as a "catch-all" criteria. To re-emphasize, I am completely with you that using G6 as a deletion-bypass / "just-delete-this-error button" can be a dangerous practice if due diligence is not maintained.

That all being said, I could very well be misinterpreting / poorly explaining this criterion, so hopefully you can help me out to see where things are going astray 😅. I talked about the exact wording of the G6 error message I've used for tagging, but what I was specifically looking at, from Template:db-error, is: "This may meet [the CSD criteria]... as a redirect left over from moving a page that was obviously created at the wrong title". For all of the pages I've put up for CSD in this batch (link), these have specifically been redirects that were created by way of page moves from obviously incorrect titles, moved at the same time as creation, and if the page existed at the title for ANY significant period longer than a day or so, I would nominate it for RfD (alongside the rest of the 50 bundled throughout the last few hours).

Thanks again for the heads-up and alerts about a potential awry situation. It's my absolute goal to ensure that the proper venues are used where appropriate, and wanted to ask about these. At the end of the day, it would have technically been a lot easier for me to mass-nominate at the RfD venue (and I would've been able to finish tonight 🫠), but instead I was thoroughly vetting out four different possibilities for every single redirect, which took me 2+ hours to put together the RfD in question. I've been checking for alternatives to deletion via movement at every juncture, been looking into the page histories and checking to see if G6 or G7 were applicable (many were, to my understanding. and tagged as such), confirming that links aren't breaking, that there's no valuable history (if there was history, I would forgo RfD entirely), and if it was a brand new page-creation at the title, I would nominate for RfD due to it being an intentional creation and NOT an error, meaning G6 wouldn't apply.

I thoroughly appreciate your time and energy for answering 🙏. Perhaps there is a silver lining as it'll simplify my workflow, (as I used to have RfD be a one-stop-shop for disambiguation-error cases like these) but I wanted to get your feedback on this (as well as my response to yours on my talk page) as it would have maybe saved a bit of time, haha. Happy editing! Utopes <sub>(talk / cont)</sub> 07:44, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Question

I noticed your warning happened around the same I blocked at (User talk:GamrOnDrgs). Do you think I made that call too soon? If I did, feel free to reverse the block. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 07:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Clovermoss,

Yes, I noticed that they happened at the same moment. I tend to be slow to block editors or, at least, start out with short blocks unless there is just a rampage of vandalism going on. I know many administrators are quicker to block than I am. I'm not going to judge your actions in this case.

But I meant to say "Hello" on your User talk page. I don't think I've run into you on my routine of work tasks on the project. You've been here much longer than I do so I probably have some things I could learn from you. Take care, Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 05:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

I've mostly stayed out of blocking people so far apart from a bunch of spam/promotional editing (I'm very new to the whole admin thing). I think it's worth considering that this specific case might have been a bit different as it wasn't quite as blatant as a lot of the stuff I was seeing in the CSD queue, it could have been a kid that was just obsessed about their favourite Minecraft channels. Maybe a bit more of a cautious approach would've been warranted, y'know? My concern was just the sheer scale and how they weren't slowing down, and there was another editor before you that tried to give similar advice. But I'm always willing to listen to other viewpoints. :)

As for time on the project... I think you have me mixed up with someone else? You've definitely been here for way longer than I have. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 09:46, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Joy Bokiri

Hi Liz, can you help stanch the flow here? Thanks, 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 05:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi, 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63,

I protected this article for 3 days. Unfortunately, this prevents you from editing as well. But maybe a cool-off period will stop the edit-warring. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 05:47, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Terrific. I've no interest there other than stopping vandalism of the subject's name. All coming from Bangkok IPs, so it had the look of a sock nest. Thank you. 2601:19E:4180:6D50:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 05:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Sock

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tochi Clement/Archive, Another sock account created, see: User:Justinbenji created Draft:Kourage Beatz NSI again. Adambenji (talk) 06:02, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Adambenji,

Can you file a new case at the SPI page? Or it might be helpful to contact a checkuser who might respond more quickly. I'll try to keep an eye on things when I get done with what I'm working on. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 06:08, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello Liz

Sock issue has been resolved by Lectonar who allowed me to work on Draft:Kourage Beatz NSI here User_talk:Lectonar#Request_From_Justinbenji_(9:12,_27_January_2024) J U S T I N B E N J I (talk). 07:11, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello all...this doens't mean that I looked into the sock-issue, I just reinstated the draft to allow an AfC process to start. Lectonar (talk) 08:05, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

@Liz I have filed a report at SPI page. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Justinbenji

Adambenji (talk) 11:56, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Delia Gonzalez and Gavin Russom

Hi Liz, can you restore Delia Gonzalez and Gavin Russom but put it into draftspace? I am very certain the article meets notability requirements. Thriley (talk) 20:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Thriley,

How are you doing these days?  Done you can find it at Draft:Delia Gonzalez and Gavin Russom. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 04:18, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I’ve been pretty good, thank you. My mind has turned to my plans for spring on this warm February day. Hope all is well with you! Thriley (talk) 18:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Approval queue procedure?

Hi Liz - You were so kind to help me figure out why I wasn't able to resubmit my Draft for review after further editing. I'm confident I have resolved all of the issues and properly cited sources and the subject does definitely meet the notability requirements. Thanks to you I was able to then re-submit my draft for review and when I did a few weeks ago it said it was taking 4 weeks because there were a number of submissions requiring review. Last week I checked again and it said 5 weeks. And now it says 6 weeks. But the number of submissions for review has barely changed? My question is, do the drafts get reviewed in the order that they were submitted? And every time I add/change a minor thing it gets bumped to the bottom? Or is it random selection for review and the time could just become longer and longer? Thanks for clarifying! Laynerosen (talk) 04:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Laynerosen,

I assume you're discussing Draft:Romy Fay? I added a category to it that might attract reviewers who work on music articles. That might bring some attention. Unfortunately, there is no way to prompt your draft to the top of any pile because editing is a voluntary action and AFC reviewers pick among drafts they want to review. What interests one reviewer will not be interesting to other reviewers. Any most reviewers will not review drafts upon request.

I have noticed that really bad drafts get reviewed and declined quickly because they are easy to spot and rule on. When a draft has a lot of references that have to be checked, it can take time for a reviewer to get around to it because it will be more time-consuming. But I can say that statement and then come across an AFC reviewer who dives into those drafts. I do know we have a shortage of reviewers which is part of the reason for the long delays. And the fact that your draft has been declined several times already might discourage a reviewer from plunging in.

I don't mean these observations to discourage you. You just need to have some patience. The only action I can think of is to approach past AFC reviewers and DON'T ASK FOR THEM TO REVIEW your draft, just ask if your editing has resolved the problems they saw in their earlier review. They are likely to decline to review it again but they might be able to look it over and offer some helpful advice on whether you have addressed problems they saw. Sorry not to have a "magic pill" that can put your draft at the front of the line but we are all independent editors and to be honest, that line doesn't exist. There are just several dozens of AFC reviewers trying to help when and where they can. Good luck! Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 04:30, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Per your request at ICTF

@Liz. I replied to your request at WT:ICTF#Request about users adding themselves to film casts. I am unsure if you have pings enabled, so wanted to drop you a note here to refer you to my reply. Thank you.  — Archer1234 (t·c) 05:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Archer1234,

Thanks for letting me know, I don't watch my pings. I've responded there. I appreciate you taking time to comment. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 06:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hello Liz,

What are your thoughts on a relatively new user redirecting tons of old articles without discussion? I reverted some of them but there is only so much time in the day. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:50, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Redirection is prefered over deletion, so i chose to redurect these articles where I beleived it would be uncontroversial. Did you look at the reasons i cited for redirerction l? It would be interesting to hear your rebuttals. Anyways, as part of the unreferenced articles backdrive, I've cited far more articles then redirected, so your framing of the situation is deceptive. I won't try to change any of your reversion but since you believe the articles deserve to be on their own, you could at least help the drive and look for sources. Tooncool64 (talk) 16:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

If you want to redirect them again, I'm not going to stop you, but I'm not sure one person should be the judge, jury, and executioner on these 15+ year old articles. Thanks, ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:10, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, WikiOriginal-9,

First, although Tooncool64 has recently become more active, they are not a brand new editor (if you are talking about what happened with This Is Pop Music). One of my regular tasks is tagging and deleting empty categories and many of them become empty when articles are converted into redirects and the categories are removed. This is despite the fact that redirects can have categories but typically the whole page is blanked. But it happens fairly regularly, especially by a few active editors. The action is called BLARring and you can find some information about the practice on that policy page.

I don't know any specific guideline against making this change but I do know that if BLARring is challenged by another editor, it should be reverted. Aside from becoming familiar with a few of the editors who regularly BLAR articles, I don't know of a way to track when this happens. My only other observation is that frequently, BLARring is done in response to a Proposed deletion tagging, editors who review PRODs find BLARring is preferable to article deletion, as Tooncool64 mentioned.

The good thing about BLARring is that it can easily be undone. Deletion can be undone, too, under certain circumstances, but you need to go to WP:REFUND or ask an admin for help. So, in one sense, it is better to convert an article to a redirect, at least until more sources can be found, rather than tagged for speedy deletion. All I can advise is to keep tabs on your Watchlist so you are aware when this happens to articles you are "following". I hope this helps. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 05:18, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 7 § Category:Establishments in Danish India by year

A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 February 7 § Category:Establishments in Danish India by year on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:04, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks

Hey, just a little messgae to than you very much for handling the PRODs I opened last week. Best.---Wikaviani <sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 18:54, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Wikaviani,

To be honest, I was uncertain about some of these PRODs. Not including page numbers in a reference is not a valid rationale for article deletion. But these articles concerned a specific period of history in an area of the world where we don't have a lot of editors who are knowledgable about the military history to confirm and verify the sources provided, all of which were in old, foreign language books. If the information had been more easily verified, I would have untagged the articles. But, at least with PRODs, we can always restore the articles upon request.

I have wanted to post a notice on the WikiProject Military History talk page to ask about these regional battle articles. We seem to have acquired dozens of them over the past year and we don't have enough editors who can competently review them. This discussion will continue if the few editors who created them return to edit on the project. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 05:27, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

You are absolutely right about these articles. Just to let you know about the whole process, i was uncertain about at least some of those pages too, that's why i raised my concerns about 4 months ago on my talk page and pinged some knowledgeable editors about that. One of them (HistoryofIran) shared my concerns about these articles. Thus i spent a lot of time in the last 4 months trying to check the sources, their quality, as well as what they say exactly. The lack of page number was not the only issue with those sources, i tried to be concise for the reviewing admin and left a short note in my PROD tag, but as you said, the sources were also exclusively in foreign language (Turkish) and it is a quite well-known fact that Turkish source suffer from some systemic biases, they were old, without page number and, often, misrepresented. That's why, after 4 months, i decided to tag those articles. I have no problem to continue this discussion with the relevant editors. Best.---Wikaviani <sup>(talk) (contribs)</sup> 07:56, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

MfD:Akhand Bharat

Hello, Liz. I want to ask for your input about the (possible) proper course of action at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User Akhand Bharat, since you are completely uninvolved there. I started that MfD nomination on 21 January, and as you can see – the discussion is pretty stalled in recent days. Would it be justifiable to relist it, in order to get clearer consensus and just draw more attention to that discussion? Or maybe you have some other idea? Naturally, being the nominator and therefore an involved party there, I am refraining from taking any action by myself. — Sundostund mppria <sup>(talk / contribs)</sup> 08:05, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Sundostund

It looks like Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Template:User Akhand Bharat was closed soon after you posted this message. And I'm getting around to responding to you so late that the issue is resolved. I can see where any userbox calling for reunification of countries that are sovereign territories is controversial and it implies it's own sort of imperialism. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 06:58, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Its alright, Liz. I totally get that you are quite busy at times, being an admin here. So no wories about a latter reply... Yes, the issue is resolved – in the only appropriate way, IMHO. I am glad that we are on the same page, when it comes to userboxes of this kind (at least the majority of them are indeed controversial). — Sundostund mppria <sup>(talk / contribs)</sup> 12:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Bluechair

Hello, I see that you've deleted the article Bluechair which now redirects to Shen (cartoonist). I see that the reason is that it does not contain encyclopedic content. However, there are many other articles about Webtoons that have not been deleted, so I would like to know how to retrieve it/plead my case to you or an admin. 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 16:13, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 8UB3RG1N3,

First, I am an admin. Secondly, Bluechair wasn't an article I deleted, it was a simple redirect from main space to Draft space which we regularly delete as CSD R2s. So, no content was deleted, it was just a page with a link. The draft page it directed to, Draft:Bluechair, was deleted but you will have to talk to the admin who deleted that draft about page restoration. Since it was a CSD G13 deletion, you can also go to WP:REFUND and ask for it to be restored. I hope this helps. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 06:49, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. 8UB3RG1N3 (talk) 17:33, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Samer Jundi

Hey Liz, can you draftiy

Hello,

I'm not sure what you are requesting for me to do. If you could provide a fuller explanation along with your signature, I'll know how to respond. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 06:44, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Spacz

Curious as to why you tagged the page instead of deleting it yourself Mach61 (talk) 09:00, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mach61,

I can't speak for all administrators but it is not uncommon for an admin to tag an article for speedy deletion rather than deleting it themselves. I know for CSD A7, I like for another administrators to review the article and see if they agree with my assessment. There are some criteria, like G5, G10, G11, G7 or G12 which are straightforward. The pages ovviously meet the criteria. But assessing whether ot not there is a credible claim of significance to a article subject is a bit subjective so I like to get a second opinion. Personally, I think this is a good thing and I've seen other admins, some more experienced than I am, tag articles rather than deleting them. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 06:43, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Eleonora Amalia Maria Adelborg

Are you sure? I don't see any undiscussed move of the article, and the sources support it being at Maria A.... The recent moves were of redirects with the typo "Eleanora". PamD 06:29, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, PamD,

To be honest, no, I'm not sure. It's just that yesterday I encountered a new editor who was moving a lot of articles to page titles that were shorter versions of the original page name. So, if the individual was named Susannah Abbott Cooper, they'd move it to Susannah Cooper just because it was shorter, not because that's the name that was used in the sources. And when they moved all of these articles, they wouldn't change the content of the article to indicate that a different name was being used. So, I've been looking at some of their many article page moves and if, in the article, the individual is identified as Susannah Abbott Cooper, I've moved it back from Susannah Cooper. But I'm not looking into every single source so there might be a lack of agreement on the subject's name. If you disagree, feel free to move it back. But when I looked over this editor's page moves, it looks like they were just moving articles to eliminate middle names or initials or maiden names when this might be how the subject was identified.

Does this make sense? I watch the Move log a lot and I've found that many new editors are emboldened by the ability to move articles/pages and go a little overboard without due consideration of whether or not an article should actually be moved. I then see a lot of veterans doing "Revert undiscussed moves" in response. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 06:38, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

But in this case I can't see any move, undiscussed or other, before yours. The redirects were moved because they used a typo of "Eleonara". PamD 06:43, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

But also, someone will always be identified in the lead by their fullest name and there is nothing in an article to indicate which version they commonly used, so the choice of article title isn't obvious from the content but will usually be shorter than what is in the lead. PamD 06:48, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

I've moved it back to the shorter title, but I'm still puzzled because I can't see the move you say you were reverting. PamD 07:25, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Well, PamD, there is some information on the page history of a different redirect Eleonara Amalia Maria Adelborg about that page being moved but it turns out I thought I was reverting a move that actually didn't happen! I know that I was looking at the Move log and saw a new editor moving a lot of articles with moves that didn't seem based in naming guidelines. So, I reverted some of the bad page moves and I guess I mistakenly thought this one was part of that moving binge. I see that you had some history with this article subject so I guess it is one your Watchlist. Thank you for catching my error. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 01:28, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Hern

Hi Liz, I was watching this Afd but forgot to vote. I think the subject meets notability as an author. Could you put the now deleted article into draft so I can improve it? Thank you, Thriley (talk) 00:58, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Thriley,

I think you'd have some success if you approached the admin who closed the AFD discussion. I don't feel comfortable restoring the article without you asking them first. See what they say and come back to me if they decline your request. Thanks. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 01:17, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

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Somewhat puzzled about long-standing articles being re-named by a fairly new editor

Title says it all. Some of their renaming might be "according to Hoyle" (and maybe even Wikipedia lol) but some...well, two specifically that I have noticed - the Eliza Park Custis Law article being changed to Eliza Law and Loris Ohannes Chobanian's article being changed to Loris Chobanian...that's a Nope from me, but maybe I'm wrong. I had noticed you recently posted on their user talk about some previous renaming (when I posted on their user talk about Eliza after I posted on the now Talk:Eliza Law). Would welcome your thoughts. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 06:46, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

@Shearonink

I stand by Chobanian change 100% but possibly Eliza Parke Law ([33]) would be better in the other case. In any event, shouldn't this go to ANI if there is a serious question, not a forum-shopped tete-a-tete? Nirva20 (talk) 17:29, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I was asking for advice on how to handle something that I was puzzled about. I reserve ANI for serious situations where an editorial consensus seems improbable and working together has come to a standstill. I posted on the article talk and also posted my concerns to your user talk. Sorry you feel that asking here on how to best proceed is forum-shopping. I thought maybe I was missing something and that I could be wrong that's all. Shearonink (talk) 19:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

2023–24 Dhaka Premier Division Cricket League

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023–24 Dhaka Premier Division Cricket League closed as redirect. Just recently a bunch of disruptive page moves were made, and I don't know where the history is now, but the history should be restored to this title to avoid backdoor deletion. My edit history has a contribution with that AFD in its edit summary, so hopefully that makes things easy to find. Might also want to caution the editor responsible to not make disruptive page movs. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C1B0:969A:ADC4:8139 (talk) 06:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C1B0:969A:ADC4:8139,

This will be tricky to reconstruct. I just deleted a whole lot of circular redirects from all of these page moves. It's a bit late here so give me some time to track down the final destination of the page involved in the AFD. Thank you. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 06:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

I understand, and I expect it was intentionally done to be difficult to reconstruct. If you look at my deleted contributions there should be a recent one that mentions Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023–24 Dhaka Premier Division Cricket League in the edit summary, so maybe that will help. But now since they tried to avoid scrutiny, the current article content will have to first be moved to draft, and potentially move protected, so that the AFD result stands until an AFC reviewer looks things over. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C1B0:969A:ADC4:8139 (talk) 06:59, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

History is currently at Draft:2023–24 Dhaka Premier Division Cricket League see these diffs [34] and [35]. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C1B0:969A:ADC4:8139 (talk) 07:02, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

You're making this easy for me. I hope to get to this tonight. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 07:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Category:Former royal residences in Myanmar has been nominated for splitting

Category:Former royal residences in Myanmar has been nominated for splitting. A discussion is taking place to decide whether it complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Mason (talk) 12:40, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

Northern Relfections Brand - Article

Hi Liz - hope you are well. My name is Natalie from Analiize agency and I am representing the Northern Reflections clothing brand. We noticed the brand page was shut down by yourself. I understand your reasoning. The brand has a rich history in the Canadian retail landscape. To avoid further issues with the page, we would like to incorporate the full legal business name which is Northern Reflections Ltd. Would it be possible to restore the page with the legal business name? Please let me know. Thank you in advance. Analiize (talk) 02:49, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Deprodding of Miss Caraïbes Hibiscus

I have removed the {{proposed deletion/dated}} tag from Miss Caraïbes Hibiscus, which you proposed for deletion. (some coverage found in brief search; maybe more available; perhaps notable - needs further checking). If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add {{proposed deletion}} back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! Rupples (talk) 22:08, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Rupples,

Well, thanks for letting me know. I really didn't think there was much supporting this article but I guess you found some sources establishing notability. And, I know not to replace a PROD tag. Thank you. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 06:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes of course. Guess I should have tailored a personal message, given your experience. Poor form on my part. Haven't noticed you closing so many AfDs recently, well at least the few I contribute to. In the early days of my looking at AfDs you were (and still are) an inspiration in helping me to consider and look for alternatives to deletion> Thank you for that. Rupples (talk) 08:10, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Yellowmirror and Yellowpapper

As I thought, there was a blocked puppeteer. There were also multiple other socks, all now blocked. It is too often like that. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:21, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Please restore deleted draft article

On 14 January 2023, you deleted Draft:Warren C. Trenchard. I would like to resume working on this draft. Please restore the draft. Thank you.Wctrenchard (talk) 06:28, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Wctrenchard,

Can you provide me with a link to the deleted page? Thank you. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 06:33, 15 February 2024 (UTC)

Because the draft page is deleted, this is the best I can provide: Draft:Warren C. Trenchard (a hot link).Wctrenchard (talk) 22:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Because the draft page is deleted, this is the best I can provide: Draft:Warren C. Trenchard (a hot link).Wctrenchard (talk) 22:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

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About Shiv Temple, Gandabahali

I'm only able to see a single revision in the history from you (which has caused the article to be autopatrolled), but I believe the page was draftified at the same time by Pppery, which somehow caused the revision history to split? Anyways, I believe the mainspace page should probably now be deleted under CSD G6. Let me know what you think! —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 06:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TechnoSquirrel69,

Well, that does look confusing. Going into the page log, I can see that you are right, at the same time I was removing a CSD tag from the page, Pppery was moving the article to Draft space. I guess because I edited and removed the tag, when I saved the page, it resaved the old version of the article that Pppery had moved. This has happened to me a couple of times, where I have edited an article at the same time that another editor/admin had deleted, moved or edited the page. It's confusing when it happens.

I removed the CSD tag because the editor who tagged it was asking for it to be draftified, not deleted, so I advised them to draftify the article which apparently Pppery did for them. I hope these explains things. I often thought if I had a magic power to grant all editors a privilege, it would be to see deleted edits, it would help explain a lot of edits that are made. I hope this helps. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 06:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Kindly unprotect Bahari Ibaadat

HI @Liz, hope this message finds you well. I have noticed that an article I created few years ago has been deleted and protected by you for repeatedly recreated of the article. I kindly need your help to unprotect the article so that I recreate the article based on the Wikipedia policies and guidelines. FYI I am not sure who and why someone repeatedly tried to recreated the article.

kindly advise me if any action is required to be taken from my side to resolve the article issue. ahmadi.afg (talk) 06:48, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ahmadi.afg,

Another administrator, Materialscientist, protected Bahari Ibaadat after the article was recreated again so you'd have to ask them about this. I'd advise you to create a draft article at Draft:Bahari Ibaadat and submit it for AFC review. You will need to do this any way as the article was deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bahari Ibaadat (2nd nomination). If you had a main space article that resembled the previous article, it would be tagged for speedy deletion, CSD G4. The only way I know of overcome an AFD deletion decision is to work on a draft and submit it to AFC. The AFC reviewer will make sure it doesn't have the same problems as the article that was deleted through the AFD.

The only other approach you could take if you don't want to go ask Materialscientist, is to go to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection and ask for the page protection to be reduced. While it is a lot more work to craft an excellent draft article, I don't think you wil have success asking for a reduction in page protection unless you have a very good reason for why this should be done. And the admin responding there will probably tell you exactly what I've just told you.

If you have general questions about editing on the project, please bring them to the Teahouse. Good luck! Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 07:05, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Liz, Thank you so much for the quick reply and very helpful information and guidance. I will take the first approach and will create a draft article and will submit it for AFC. Kind Regards @ahmadi.afg ahmadi.afg (talk) 07:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Poor wording on my part on my ANI case

Sorry about that, and (genuinely) thank you for pointing it out so I could correct it. I didn't think it would be interpreted like that, as I'm not acquainted with any admins personally. It wasn't meant to be read as "I don't know any (admins I can trust)", but rather, "I don't consider myself acquainted with any admins, and therefore I don't know who to go to who would be willing to act." DarmaniLink (talk) 04:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, DarmaniLink,

I'm very sorry about that comment, I clearly took the remark personally which was not very helpful for you and your problem. That is why I removed it immediately so I don't know how you tracked it down in the page edit history.

Regarding your opinion, I don't know if there are any admins you can be sure will act on your complaint. They try to see the big picture and it could be that you are partially responsible for the situation that has developed. There are a few exceptions to this, there are some editors who are experts at spotting sockpupets and they work more closely with admins who are checkusers because their observations have proven to be helpful. But I don't think there are any editors or admins who could come to me and say, 100%, "Block this editor" or "Delete this page" and I would follow their request without investigating it. And, to be honest, I think that is the way things should work. We are, after all, volunteers just like you and work on tasks that appeal to us. When I started editing 10 years ago, there were a lot more admins visiting ANI and responding to problems but things were an absolute zoo back then and while it might take longer for an admin to come by and address your concern, I don't think we should ever go back to the days when a mob of ANI regulars determined what should happen to an editor(s). Things were brutal and cliquish and I'm glad the noticeboards have calmed down enough that we are seeking more participation. When I have a moment, I'll revisit your case and see if there is anything I can do to actually help. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 05:01, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

(I got a notification for it since I subscribed to the thread.) Really, no big deal at all. I don't hold it against you at all, and given the implication, you had every right to take it how you did.

I asked in the wiki discord for a lighter option, and got told to go to ANI or AE by an on-site admin there and that those were basically my options if I didn't know an admin outright. Basically, the lighter options were there but are long gone, so, that may have contributed. Thank you, as well :) DarmaniLink (talk) 05:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Asking for help

After this discussion with Nirva20 about their recent renaming of Elizabeth Parke Custis Law to Eliza Law - we've reached a consensus about moving the title back. I would like to move ahead and revert this article back to its original title for the reasons I have stated at Nirva20's user talk and also my post at the article talk: Renaming this article. I almost never move articles so this is the thing...is it too much for me to ask you to do all the moves? If you'd rather not, I'll go ahead and perform the moves myself but then I would also ask you to please check my work - Because of my "un-expertise" I am concerned that I will probably miss associated Wiki-bits & pieces. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 14:25, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

RE Shearonink
Yes, Liz. I withdraw any objections to re-renaming the article. Nirva20 (talk) 18:08, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Codex coemeterium

I noticed you declined the speedy deletion of this article. However, the AFD shows that the author (who I've indeffed for creating another hoax) posted about his hoaxes on a magic forum. Do you mind if this page gets deleted? Cheers! Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:41, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Valid reason to depopulate a category?

Hi Liz, only a few minutes ago you alerted me that a category I created, Category:Noah Kahan albums, had been depopulated and was tagged for speedy deletion. Do you, in your experience creating and managing categories, think this editor's reasoning ("not necessary") is valid? Is there any guideline against having a category for one or two pages, particularly if it's "[artist] albums" and the category has more than one page in it? Ss112 21:29, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

You've Got Mail

Hello Liz, I began a draft in 2019 without the full understanding that it could be deleted over the years to free up server space. I recently asked to have it undeleted and the content is no longer there in a draft. Are you at all able to see if Mike Roche TSOl (Musician) has any content left? I'm devasted that everything is lost. Please help in any way you can. Kindly, Tracy TVaughanSoCal (talk) 22:54, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, TVaughanSoCal,

Can you provide me with a link to the deleted article? Then I can see why it was deleted and provide you with a response. Thank you. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 00:46, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Alley of Angels and Krasnohorivka

Ms. Liz. Before I get banned, can I know why those two articles were removed? I know about Draft: The Battle of Kradnohorivka, but why was the article "Alley of Angels" removed, which is why I rained a barrage of insults on this site and all the administrators on the page, and therefore I expect a new ban? — Baba Mica (talk) 00:45, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Baba Mica,

I can see that this is a matter that is very important to you but I'm coming from a place of not knowing anything about your situation. First, can you provide me with links to the article pages of the articles you are concerned about? Don't just give me their name but a link to the page would be helpful. Then I can see why they were deleted and be able to respond to you.

I don't know anything about you being banned but just know that editors can get their share of template messages or warning messages to alert them to problems without being on the verge of actually being blocked. More specifics would help here. Thank you. Liz <sup>Read! Talk!</sup> 00:51, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alley_of_Angels&oldid=1143489915 — Baba Mica (talk) 00:59, 19 February 2024 (UTC)