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Different sources give different names of several asteroids

  • Asteroid 7214 1973 SM1, some sources give the name as Anticlus, while others give as Antielus.
  • Asteroid 8932 1997 AR4, some sources give the name as Nagatomo, while others give as Nagamoto.
  • Asteroid 11264 1979 UC4, some sources give the name as Claudiomaccone, while others give as Claudimaccone.
  • Asteroid 14428 1991 VM12, some sources give the name as Laziridis, while others give as Lazaridis.
  • Asteroid 20495 1999 PW4, some sources give the name as Rimanska Sobota, while others give as Rimavska Sobota.

Which ones are the correct names? -- Yaohua2000 04:35, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I did some additional research on asteroid 8932. JPL Horizons and [1] gives a name of Nagatomo, but [2] gives Nagamoto. I don't speak Japanese, but I can read some according to my Chinese knowledge. After some research on Google, I found the corresponding Japanese name of Nagatomo or Nagamoto is 長友信人[3], the asteroid was discoverred by 小林隆男. I googled the keyword "長友信人" "Nagatomo" and get 31 results, while "長友信人" "Nagamoto" get only 3 results. So I think the correct translation might be Nagatomo. -- Yaohua2000 05:33, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Once a while an asteroid may be renamed. The MPC link is always up to date.--Jyril 10:18, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Did these ever get resolved, after 14 years? I mean, the best way is to probably figure out who or what they were named for, and see if there's a consensus spelling for its/their name. Some of them are probably transcription errors between different alphabets and the like, mis-readings of unclear text, or just plain typos... 146.199.60.87 (talk) 21:13, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am unaware if they were resolved yet, but I assume the name differences could be mis translation or typo. I think the best course of action would be to put both names, such as: "Anticlus, also known as Antielus"
Let me know if that works, or if we can find an alternate solution --Caez (any pronouns c:) (talk) 16:02, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have just looked, no names are listed on this page, so this conversation is either out of date, irrelevant, or both. --Caez (any pronouns c:) (talk) 16:03, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How was this made

How'd you guys get this done? a bot? wow!--Urthogie 21:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Several large Excel spreadsheets, with clever formulae. Mostly my work. Urhixidur 02:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How do the formalae work? Sagittarian Milky Way 03:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I routinely write scripts for stuff like this but I've never tried it for wiki. sed,awk, perl, etc can generate a lot of things but the real question is if you can automate the process, why is this list even needed? Doesn't NASA have a similar DB somewhere? It does seem a DB rather than an encyclopedia table, even for an electronic encyclopedia, makes more sense. Did this come up for deletion ever? Nerdseeksblonde (talk) 02:21, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Binary digits are cheap and it doesn't hurt anyone. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:33, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

So many pages

Do we really need an article for every asteroid. Surely 950_Ahrensa or 976 Benjamina are not notable. I think very few of these are notable. Couldn't they just be combined into one large page for every thousand asteroids?--God Ω War 04:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

agreed

U0000 is null (talk) 21:20, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It would be nice if someone would make a bot to merge these more easily.--God Ω War 23:20, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • List of Integers Too?  : I guess the best comparison I came up with

for this page would be a "List of Positive Integers" and each page could show where it ranks in the set of intergers, important physical quantities that contain the integer, references from popular literature that mention the integer etc. Then, move on to a list of floating point numbers, including all rationals and transcendentals. Surely there must be a NASA or other DB that is essentially redundant with much of this? Nerdseeksblonde (talk) 20:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If someone cares enough to write an article that's good enough for me. WP:WIKIISN'TPAPER. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:34, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

Lead currently reads in part Most are not particularly noteworthy; only some 16,000 minor planets have been given. As of 31 August 2012... after the word names was separated from its sentence by this sequence of edits by an anon. Andrewa (talk) 03:29, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed thank you! Andrewa (talk) 19:31, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Russian

Why are there Russian words in brackets in the pop-up tooltip for all of the redlinks on the article page? On other article pages I see "(page does not exist)" in English in that position. -- 79.67.252.42 (talk) 08:33, 11 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete?

As per WP:IINFO? That would solve a lot of problems cleaning up WP:NASTRO-failing articles, which now have to be redirected here. But if this is WP:IINFO-failing itself, that would be greatly simplified. Chrisrus (talk) 19:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to have to agree that this list is far too indiscriminate. We link to the indexes that have this information, so that's fine. There are certainly some notable minor planets/asteroids that we could have a "List of notable minor planets" and just highlight those, but the rest of this is just repeating tables, like a phone book. --MASEM (t) 23:20, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that List of notable minor planets already exists. This is any/all minor planets. If you support deletion of this article please indicate by enclosing the word "support" in triple apostrophes. Chrisrus (talk) 20:12, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per the guideline at NASTRO: "It is acceptable for individual astronomical objects to be part of a list of similar objects." This isn't fancruft: Any of these bodies is potentially important. Although the liklihood of that is small for any individual object, it becomes relevant for the them when taken together. If an asteroid is mentioned somewhere, a search on WP should turn it up. — kwami (talk) 00:29, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"potentially" is failing WP:NOT#CRYSTAL; if it does gain importance, we can add an article and add to the list, but we can't support the idea that may potentially become important. Certainly there are some on this list that have notability and should be discussed on WP, and listing those, and any newly-important ones that come along, is reasonable, but when 99% of these lists are non-notable entries w/o articles, and we're just linking in those who discovered them and the observatory, it's a data table that is better handled elsewhere. --MASEM (t) 13:36, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
This argument, as Masem points out just above, fails WP:NOT#CRYSTAL. Also, consider the fact that List of notable minor planets already exists. Finally, just because we can keep some lists of non-notable items doesn't mean we should must keep them all. For example, List of famous dogs should be kept, even though many of the items would not merit individual articles, but List of all dogs known to exist should not exist. Therefore, do consider these arguments and offer support in triple apostrophes. Chrisrus (talk) 20:12, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
List of notable minor planets already exists. Therefore, please register your support in triple apostrophes. Chrisrus (talk) 20:12, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Restricting this list sounds like a good idea, for a reasonable definition of "notable". The current list is now very incomplete (above 217,000, almost no objects are listed in the subpages) and likely "incompletable" due to the ongoing large increase in minor planet numbers (except by copy-pasting data from the MPC, which fails WP:IINFO). Being "conservative", we could e.g. list all MPs up to 10,000 or ~25,000 (the range in which almost all resp. a substantial portion of MPs have their own articles) and afterwards list only the more notable ones (own article, especially large, unusual orbit, maybe all named ones), thus reducing this list at least by a factor of 10. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 17:11, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
List of notable minor planets already exists. Therefore, please register your support in triple apostrophes. Chrisrus (talk) 20:12, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I will agree that I see little purpose in having unmaintained lists of minor planets above #25000 or so. Most notable asteroids should have an article that makes it fairly obvious as to what makes them standout against the average asteroid. Many asteroids numbered between 2000 and 5000 can be notable for weird reasons that border on sufficient notability. I assume this list, "List of minor planets", is suppose to be a master list of the sublists. -- Kheider (talk) 17:46, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, and given the existence of List of notable minor planets, please register your support in triple apostrophes. Chrisrus (talk) 20:12, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: List articles are perfectly fine. If you do not like them ignore them. Chrisrus, this is not the place to take up this conversation. Take it to WP:NASTRO, if you must. -- Kheider (talk) 16:20, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Did you mean to say that any/all conceivable list articles are perfectly fine? What if they are problematic? If this list no longer exists, WP:NASTRO will have to be addressed at that time. Chrisrus (talk) 20:12, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
List of notable asteroids is the correct name and it is intended only for "minor planets" inside the orbit of Neptune. This list, "List of minor planets", is intended for all numbered minor planets regardless of where they orbit. Deleting this list that contains the sublists of minor planets seems foolish. I have no problem considering a potential cut-off point between say #25000 and #200000 just to keep the lists manageable. As Astrocog asks below, please state your intentions. -- Kheider (talk) 00:38, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is there any reason it could not house all notable asteroids? Setting an arbitrary cut off point would be an improvement, but if experts aren't interested in an object, they just aren't interested in it, no matter what side of Neptune its orbit lies. Similarly, if an asteroid is notable, it should either belong on the List of notable asteroids or the title should be changed to reflect its true nature and scope. Chrisrus (talk) 06:13, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Historically, asteroid are inside the orbit of Jupiter, so List of notable asteroids should not contain objects beyond Neptune. This article IS the master index for sublists of minor planets. -- Kheider (talk) 11:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the idea is to have some place to put the information to stop proliferation of articles about non-notable objects. Wikipedia should be able to have a place for this sourced and verifyable information. But a list like this is a notable topic. I would be happy enough though to split this down somehow into smaller lists. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:18, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It is not clear to me what is being proposed. Is there a proposal to delete this index of the lists? Or to delete all the lists? Or something else? Please clarify what exactly is being proposed here. Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 21:34, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What is being proposed is to delete this article on WP:IINFO grounds. As WP:NASTRO says, "It is not the job of Wikipedia to needlessly duplicate content in these databases". This article is nothing but an attempt to re-create the JPL database. Chrisrus (talk) 06:13, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:NASTRO#Failing basic criteria but possibly helpful in another article or list specifically uses this article as an example of an appropriate list. Chrisrus, please quit forum shopping. -- Kheider (talk) 11:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I am not convinced there is a problem in need of a fix. WP:NASTRO is a notability criteria, with the purpose of guiding editors in deciding if an individual object is notable enough for an individual article. It was written specifically with the intent that list articles which include non-notable astronomical objects could remain intact. This list particularly offers readers and editors the utility of navigating the various asteroid lists. I have no problem with the list articles personally. There are relatively few enough of the asteroid lists to be a problem. The issue of redirects mentioned above is not a problem worth solving by deleting this article. If you don't like the "due process" of PROD or AfD for asteroid stubs, then you've got a problem outside the scope of NASTRO - so please stop invoking it. Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 12:22, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Irrelevant. The question here is whether this article should be deleted as per WP:IINFO, that is all. Whether Nastro says so or not, the point is, there is no need to re-create the entire JPL database here. This collection of information is indiscriminate, and anyone who wants this information will go there, not here; this article serves no purpose. Chrisrus (talk) 13:53, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
And part of the problem is that while all the other issues related to notability as NASTRO are right in line, the idea that every recorded body be listed somewhere within WP is wrong. Otherwise we might as well list every verifiable living person, since we can document them similarly by that logic. Yes, that's not going to happen.
What can happen is that we can still have redirects from any found bound by name, or list them on disambiguation pages should that happen, and redirect those to List of notable minor planets. That list should describe the numbering scheme of such planets and where these databases are, and link the user to them so they can search if necessary. Then as it does, list those planets notable enough for their own articles. Mind you, I would also see it reasonable that if there's more to mention about a body than just the number, date found, discoverer, and which observatory that was found, then a description column could be used to avoid the creation of a full article but to point out why that one minor planet may be notable. We just simply don't need table after table of effectively raw data that the subtables here present. --MASEM (t) 14:21, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
List of notable asteroids (aka by Chrisrus as List of notable minor planets) is not a proper re-direct as it only applies to asteroids inside the orbit of Neptune. The list to modify would be this one. -- Kheider (talk) 14:35, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That can easily be changed. List of notable asteroids can easily be expanded to accommodate all notable asteroids, including those that orbit outside of Neptune, if there should turn out to be any. The Neptune limitation is arbitrary, and any list of notable asteroids or minor planets should be titled "List of notable asteroids" or "List of notable minor planets". If that article seems to want to be sub-divided into notable main belt objects and so on, that's fine. The point is, we need a list or lists of minor planets, but we don't need this, which is a list of all minor planets known to man, but only a list or lists of notable minor planets. Chrisrus (talk) 15:13, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The line is drawn at Neptune to differentiate asteroids from Trans-Neptunian objects. Another proper list is List of trans-Neptunian objects. I do not think your attempt at combining multiple lists into a one-size-fits-all "list" is appropriate or in the best interest of Wikipedia. -- Kheider (talk) 16:55, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Please note that I would not collect all minor planets, Distant or otherwise; this article would. You it seems would have this article cover not only the notable asteroids, but also some others, offering an apparently reasonable but somewhat arbitrary cut-off point. Furthermore, you would exclude from this article those minor objects outside Neptune, noting that List of trans-Neptunian objects and such already exist; is that correct/all? Chrisrus (talk) 06:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There can be more than one list. This is a list of NUMBERED minor planets so obviously it will include objects inside the orbit of Jupiter and objects outside the orbit of Neptune. -- Kheider (talk) 08:16, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Before handwaving WP:IINFO, please read its clarification. There is nothing indiscriminate in a list of minor planets: it is as discriminate and clear-cut as a list can be. That said, Chrisrus is shooting himself in the foot with this, if his issue is to deal with minor planets failing NASTRO: a redirect doesn't need a deletion discussion, a deletion does (as he's been explained at lengths some weeks ago). The obsessive deletion crusade of Chrisrus related to minor planets is not improving the encyclopedia and it is becoming disruptive. --cyclopiaspeak! 20:18, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • The essay ignores the issue of a list with potentially an infinite number of items, which this can be, just like with do with "List of people from X" lists. There needs to be rhyme and reason to make this list discriminate and using the "having a standalone article" threshold is the way to do that. --MASEM (t) 00:33, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • There is no potentially infinite number of items here. First, it is practically certain that the number of minor planets in the Solar system is not infinite -it can be large, but not infinite for sure. Second, the number of known minor planets is even smaller, so I wouldn't panic. Third, as other editors noticed above, the current notability guideline on astronomical objects "was written specifically with the intent that list articles which include non-notable astronomical objects could remain intact." - while it is agreed that not all astronomical objects are notable, per WP:5P, we include almanac-like entries, and a list of minor planets is definitely included in such a definition. --cyclopiaspeak! 06:43, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • Then NASTRO was written incorrectly, because that goes against all other practices for lists of indefinite length. Also - at least until mankind has fast convinent space travel - consider the list of minor planets even within the solar system to be an almanac - it's a list of rocks. Some are clearly more notable than others (near-earth orbits, etc.) but that's it. It is excessive data that already exists elsewhere. --MASEM (t) 14:56, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
          • I've no problem with paring down the minor planet lists, perhaps even to a list with consensus-determined parameters, but that's not what I'm seeing here. The proposal seems to be "burn the spreadsheets! All of 'em!" I think a more moderate set of proposals should be made, so that we're not arguing over a all-or-nearly-nothing proposal, and then resorting to name calling. Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 15:03, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
            • Yeah, I'm not saying get rid of all lists of minor planets, just pare it down to the list of those that are notable or can have something more said about them (from sourcing) in a table than just the who/when/where of discovery (as is the case for most of the lists with numbering in the 100,000+. That is, this table (which might be over several pages too, I haven't checked) can have a "comment" column, so that those minor planets that aren't notable for an article but have an interesting factoid (such as naming curiousity or the like) can be included and still redirected to there. --MASEM (t) 15:46, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Point of Order

Please discuss the delete proposal, not the delete proposee. If you could please not, in this section, discuss me, but rather the proposal to start a deletion discussion for this article on WP:IINFO grounds. Chrisrus (talk) 04:51, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another Point of Order

I would like to add another grounds:WP:DIRECTORY. May I so amend? Chrisrus (talk) 04:51, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

None of the entries of WP:DIRECTORY applies here.--cyclopiaspeak! 06:44, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you still here? What's the point? Everyone else has said "no". — kwami (talk) 07:26, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, it seems like Chrisrus is being pointlessly aggressive towards odd-toed ungulate corpses. --cyclopiaspeak! 11:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal 1

I see this discussion as going nowhere as it stands. The original post did not offer a coherent proposal, so I'm offering a suggestion. The specific constaints can be debated in the discussion below. My constaint value is arbitrary (Kheider suggested it above), but another can be given.

Proposal: List of minor planets will be constained to include only numbered minor planets below 25000. The main list will include the objects of special note (they have their own article), but the indexed lists up to 25000 will remain intact. An index of these will remain on this article. Minor planets above 25000, but which have an article, will not be deleted - they must still go through a PROD or AfD process if an editor disputes the associated article.

Discussion of Proposal 1

Please discuss the proposal here. If changes to the constraints are warranted, please provide your rationale. Additional proposals can be made if a consensus on this one does not emerge. Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 15:23, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What is special about the first 25,000 on the list? --MASEM (t) 15:46, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The first 25000 are on average the largest and brightest asteroids. They are the asteroids that amateur astronomers are likely to go look-up as most of those asteroids are in the range of modern ccds. Currently the Wikipedia lists go up to #363000, but are largely incomplete above #217000. Currently there is no rule preventing someone from using a bot to expand and complete the lists to #373392+. -- Kheider (talk) 16:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Spot checking through the list, it's clear the first several thousand (I checked through 4000, might go higher) are all "filled" in that there's an article for pretty much every entry, but as they go by age and being the brightest objects observable short of planets/stars, that makes sense. About 16,000 - 17,000 is when the completeness starts to falter (eg, only about half the entries have articles) and at 25,000 it drops down below that. I assume by a bot you're talking one that would create articles from the JLP database as to have articles, but I would argue that's not a smart idea. The counter example to all this is the fact we have articles - even if just stubs - on every recognized village and town. The argument there, when challenged on notability, is that because people actually lived in these places, there is likely to be sources, local, about them, and its just a matter of legwork and time to get that. You can't use the same argument on minor planets. Certainly some have been of academic interest, but not all of them. We're just presenting raw data with no likely expectation they can be expanded on, and that's not what a tertiary source should be doing. The JPL database is a great resource and we should definitely direct editors there, but we don't have to replace it.
Alternately, this could be held at Wikisource (since it should be PD-NASA-JPL), and keep the links of truly notable (more than just the basic details) minor planets here. --MASEM (t) 22:06, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I think Kheider is just saying that someone could conceivably create a bot to keep making articles, should a cutoff not be decided on. Although, I'd say that NASTRO wouldn't allow those articles to stay. Recent experience here tells me that once a stub is made, editors will find ways argue for inclusion, despite NASTRO being as clear as spring water. An upper cutoff to the minor planets could discourage the lists creeping indefinitely. Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 22:36, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am talking about a bot creating List of minor planets: 399001–400000 and filling it in someday. Newly generated (individual) asteroid articles are already covered by WP:NASTRO. I hope List of minor planets: 209001–210000 was created by some kind of bot. It looks like a lot of work if it was not. -- Kheider (talk) 22:58, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
cutting to about 25000 is a fair size, but the other information should not be lost. Instead the list should be split into shorter lists, perhaps each about 25000 long. I would only support shortening the list if the other parts were split off and retained. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:11, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
There's no way to shorten these because for pretty much all above 25000, it is just data. The breaking into 1000-chunk segments is necessary per WP:SIZE, so this isn't an option. --MASEM (t) 22:06, 14 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
The lists are exact copies of the MPC lists ([4] etc.), no information is lost by deleting them (or copying them to Wikimedia, as suggested above) except for the wikilinks, which barely exist for MPs > 25,000. I think we should make the cut-off and only list notable MP's > 25,000. --Roentgenium111 (talk) 23:18, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So how do we get a list of all notable MPs >25,000? I'd say all MPs with a non-boilerplate article (>>1kB) would be a good start (many named MPs seem to have a stub article containing zero information outside this list, except on their name). Is there an easy way to get a list of all these MPs? --Roentgenium111 (talk) 21:35, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
From [5], it seems that there's only some 300 non-stub main-belt asteroid articles out of ALL MPs; I couldn't find a single one >25,000. So we can already ignore the >93% main-belt asteroids...--Roentgenium111 (talk) 21:46, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'd argue that the currently 200-odd numbered TNOs and Centaurs List of Transneptunian objectsList of Centaurs and Scattered Disc objects are all notable, though not all have articles yet. OTOH, to avoid duplicating the TNO list, one could also restrict to articled objects here. All other categories of "unusual" MPs seem to have fewer than 1000 numbered members as well, except for Apollos and Jupiter trojans:[6] --Roentgenium111 (talk) 22:17, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Excessive wikilinking

Why do so many entries have blue links that merely redirect back to the same list? It's very frustrating for visitors not knowing whether there is actually any article. They should be either red-links if an article is expected to be written, or no links if editors object to too much red. Davidships (talk) 20:53, 21 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The mentioned problem has been fixed. Self-redirects no longer exist. Rfassbind – talk 11:47, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Or would that be prohibitive in some way? (page size, time to do, etc., please specify)   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  01:56, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I count 454 "thousands" pages. Up to 200000, each of the 200 "thousands" page are split up into 10 "hundreds" pages. The remaining 254 are all self-contained "thousands" pages, so that's 2,254 pages to edit total. Sheesh. I could do this in AWB though...hmmm.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  07:39, 7 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since there is a structural change in the pages ~200,000, I'll go until at least that #, but try to do them all. I'll start with an obscure "hundreds" pages, link to it here when I'm done for comments, then apply the final version to the remaining pages.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  15:40, 4 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Changes made to List of minor planets/57601–57700, using {{MPCdb}}.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  04:35, 5 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments solicited at WT:ASTRO#MPC link on List of minor planets pages and other changes on 5 March 2016 (UTC).   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  19:26, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The MPC-links are fine (I like them). The template needs to be updated though to accommodate the additional columns. The big difference between the list lower/greater than 200k is the (deprecated) usage of subpages. At least now, there is a clear transitional point at 200k (this was not always the case!). I also removed all the hyphens/dashes from the two thousand subpages up to 200k, since they were not helpful (i.e. causing inconsistencies). On the long run subpages will have to be removed. But that's a different topic for the moment, I guess. Rfassbind – talk 17:17, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. The link template has been added to all subpages <= 200000, and the associated headings adjusted to accommodate the additional column. I found 2 omitted MPs: (32103) 2000 KF52 (accidentally deleted in the past) & (196801) 2003 SY202 (never included). I'll proceed with pages >= 200001 shortly, and remove the errant hyphens.
Condensing the 100s pages <= 200000 (or splitting up the 1000s pages > 200000) seems like a lot of work for minimal effect. I have no preference either way, since both accomplish the same task, and no one seems to have a problem anymore with the page size of each 1000s page (~700 KB after they've been fully loaded). It's definitely a separate issue though (which I can help to implement, either way, once decided).   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  20:54, 7 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 Done, along with heading standardization to match {{List of minor planets/header1}}. I found that pages >= 200001 are also mostly missing {{Anchor}}s to sections 001, 101, etc., so I will place them accordingly.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  14:23, 8 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reorganize page structure

According to its title, the List of minor planets really needs to focus more on the List of minor planets. Instead an array of thematically specific lists are mentioned in the lead. I would argue that "List of minor planets" is synonymous to "List of numbered minor planets" (for which not even a redirect exists on wikipedia), and that List and Lists are not the same.

Possible changes:

  • The lead section needs to give an overview of the content in List of minor planets (e.g. a description of the tables columns), improve on cross-references to related topics, and explain that all minor planet articles and redirects are linked from and to this list, respectively.
  • Give more context: Minor Planet Center (source), history and current status of this dynamical list, highlights such as first body, total number, provisional vs. permanent designation, lowest-numbered unnamed body (as already exists), and others
  • Move all thematically grouped list such as List of possible dwarf planets into a separate section (Other/Thematic/Specific lists)
  • Move all lists referring to comets to section "See also"
  • Move-up "Index" section as first section after the lead, and organize it into a more compact structure

Maybe you have some additional/different changes in mind. Please post them. I think the time has come to acknowledge what this list really stands for: the bedrock of all minor planet articles and redirects. Rfassbind – talk 11:31, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not that I expected a lot of feedback after a week, but if you can, find some time and take a look at the first draft of the revised article at User:Rfassbind/Minor_planet_list_index, which includes a new infobox, a reordered structure, and a redesigned "Index"-sections. I'll still have to rewrite and expand the lead section, though. Thx, Rfassbind – talk 02:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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"all asteroids with a diameter larger than 10km have been discovered"

...now that's just nonsense, isn't it? Whilst it's probably true that almost all cis-Neptunian bodies >10km have been found, and the majority still being discovered are 6km or less, there has still been the occasional 11 or 12km surprise in recent years, particularly amongst the Jupiter trojans, and out in the Kuiper belt there's still objects of 250km and larger being discovered (I only had to go back 3 or 4 pages amongst the many hundreds to find a pair of them, hanging out within a flush of those just-over-10k trojans), never mind the huge numbers of smaller and/or more distant ones that we can't currently detect, but are suggested to exist by the currently close-in members of the scattered disc & similar that we CAN simply because they're near perihelion. The further away a small body is, the harder it is to see, made even more difficult by smaller bodies generally being intrinsically a lot darker (ie, lower albedo).

There'd probably be a fairly steady stream of 10km thru 400km ones turning up, if the main thrust of trans-Neptunian study wasn't poring over existing data and setting up the occasional ground-based occultation at the moment, as we're waiting for a fresh set of suitable thermal-IR capable satellite scopes to be launched to replace the ones whose cryogenic supplies ran out in the middle of the decade (the last of the observations they made were still turning up objects on the order of 700km, e.g. (523794) 2015 RR245, which is still in the last 3% of all numberings). And I bet there's actually still relatively poor coverage in the higher inclinations above the ecliptic...

There's a grain of truth in the statement, but it needs rewritten, as it's not absolute truth, especially not as the resolving power and sensitivity of our telescopes continues to improve. Would I be OK to go ahead and change it to "almost all asteroids of 10km or larger diameter within the orbit of Neptune have been discovered", or similar? 146.199.60.87 (talk) 21:06, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Ruslik_Zero 09:38, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am fairly confident that the statement is referring to main-belt asteroids. -- Kheider (talk) 09:46, 13 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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