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Yonkers Police Department Page (Again)

Hey sorry to bother again but I am having a bit of a issue. I am attempting to post the Yonkers Police page again which I revamped but it is not letting me stating "Your edit was not saved because it contains a new external link to a site registered on Wikipedia's blacklist or Wikimedia's global blacklist." Is there anyway you can help me out with posting the page again? Thank you for your time.

August songs

August songs

pics and thoughts on 13 August -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:51, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments that might need some attention

I am not involved in those content disputes, but due to being on my watchlist I have read parts of the discussions taking place there. I have noticed that an editor continuously refers to the perceived nationality of editors and academic sources they disagree with. So:
1. I think it's worth mentioning here that there is a group of Albanian editors who appear to be colluding to impose the Albanian nationalist perspective
2. The attempts by Albanian editors here....are risible at best
3. The obvious bias of a couple of Albanian authors cannot erase international historiography
4. Your distinguished Albanian “scholar”......I think we can safely disregard anything he has to say (or write) about anything, since it is patently obvious he is just another deranged Albanian nationalist. Cite a reliable source or go away. This comment might need to be deleted because they are referring to a living person, Pëllumb Xhufi, as "another deranged Albanian nationalist"
5. It is abundantly clear that you are the one engaging in disruptive editing across a range of articles, with the help of your fellow Albanian nationalists on this talk page and elsewhere
My question is whether continuosly referring to other editors' and sources' perceived nationality is sth that is unconstructive or not? Especially referring to a public figure as "another deranged Albanian nationalist"? Frankly, I have not read the entire discussions to see the level of civility of other editors, I just noticed this particular editor. Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:31, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Drmies. Thanks for stepping in and reminding everyone that policies should be followed. I just saw that the warning that you left to [2] about defamatory content about academics he disagrees with in Greek revolt of 1567–1572 was reverted/removed from his talkpage by another user who has the same views as Theodoros in the content dispute [3]. Can someone else who is not the talkpage owner actually do such a thing? Also, what does "non-productive biting" refer to? I'm puzzled as to why your standard reminder was "non-productive" and how exactly it relates to WP:BITE in the case of Theodoros who has had an account since 2008 with 5k edits in total.Alltan (talk) 02:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm kind of puzzled by that myself. It doesn't strike me as a helpful move. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:12, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • FYI, their response to your advice [4]. Ktrimi991 (talk) 15:43, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, Ktrimi991, they can insult me all they want. It's a bit childish, though some editors insult admins in hopes of making the admin feel too involved to block. I'm not following them or paying attention to them, by the way, and I think I warned them enough. Drmies (talk) 17:57, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
        • Agreed. Responding to them is a waste of time. I thought your advice would make them reflect on their own comments. If they are unable to appreciate your advice, they might see themselves at the AE noticeboard one day. At that place there is no advice, only diffs to be judged. Up to them what path they want to follow. Thank you for your effort Drmies, much appreciated. Ktrimi991 (talk) 19:09, 23 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A kitten for you!

Sending you one of my attack kittens to assist you with the much needed pruning of the IEEE mess.

Randykitty (talk) 22:12, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ha. Yeah, someone was really enthusiastic there. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 00:49, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alerts and notifications

Greeting, Drmies. Can you tell me how to delete the old junks under alerts and notifications. I want to delete the old junks of notifications and alert, not turning notifications off. The old junks from 2 years ago are still present. Manwë986 (talk) 04:21, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello? Manwë986 (talk) 08:54, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Looks like our only choices are to turn them (alerts and notifications) off or on in User:Preferences. There is no option to delete old ones. Geoff | Who, me? 12:33, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello? Hello. You cleared your talk page--that's fine. Is that what you meant? Drmies (talk) 14:18, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, I meant the bell-shaped thing with the name Alerts. It's between my username and Notice at the top.--Manwë986 (talk) 15:43, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. Click on it, click preferences, and see what it offers. Does it matter? It's like an archive you don't have to look at, ever, if you don't want to. Drmies (talk) 15:49, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I just want them to be deleted, they were been in the alerts for more than 2 years. I just don't know whom shall I seek help for this Manwë986 (talk) 00:07, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Policy on listing uses of artists songs in video games, TV commercials, etc.?

I see you reverted my edit to add a link to a TV commercial that uses the song "Skeletons" to the article on the Indie group "Easy Life" (with whom I have no connection). I further note you subsequently removed a number of similar references from that article. As a very infrequent contributor to Wikipedia, I am never quite certain what the "official" policies on such matters are, and I confess that I find it hard to discover/comprehend them. Could you please point me to the relevant material so I may avoid wasting my time like this in future?

For what it is worth, I saw the commercial, wondered what the song was and - having expended the effort to track it down - thought this was of interest (as, indeed, in my opinion, was the other material that you removed). Peter Headland (talk) 01:28, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Things added to Wikipedia need reliable secondary sourcing. That's really the minimum--without that, there's really nothing to discuss. Also, the primary evidence you linked, that was done inline--please use footnotes for references. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 01:37, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone issue an official disruptive editing notice?

On the My Son Hunter I gave the editor Middle Passage1 a simple warning on their talk page, here,[5] about their repeated disruptive editing. About 20 minutes later, they did it again. I don't know if I should go back to their talk page & warn them again; I don't know if I'm allowed to issue an official notice such as this . If I do keep passively warning them, do you know how many times I need to warning them on their talk page before I can seek help at WP:AIV? Thank you in advance for any help. Best wishes, BetsyRMadison (talk) 21:23, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sock

Hello. Could you please remove User:JarvisJones95 is Orca Vision Inc.‎'s talk page access? Magnatyrannus (talk | contribs) 02:03, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fifteenth anniversary on Wikipedia!

Invitation to join the Fifteen Year Society

Dear Drmies,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Fifteen Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for fifteen years or more. ​

Best regards, Chris Troutman (talk) 12:23, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Happy First Edit Day!

Apologies, but I could use some help/advice

Good morning (though afternoon, I think, for you). Sorry to bother you with this, but I am not good with the more unpleasant Wikipedia issues. I have some concerns about Ldsgaming21. Their edit history consists of a couple minor and fairly inoffensive vandalism-type edits, and then they made (and undid) a rather more concerning edit at Swastika. I tried to go out of my way to assume good faith and gave them a gentle warning, which resulted in a quick edit/undo to my talk page. The sandbox they created also seems to augur WP:NOTHERE issues. At any rate, just wanted to get your opinion as to what, if anything, should be done at this stage. Cheers. Dumuzid (talk) 14:50, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hunter Biden movie...

I give up trying to keep this shitshow of an article representative of what it actually is, maybe you'll have more luck dealing with the delusions of the factually-impaired editors coming out of the woodwork to make this article seem like it's about anything other than a work of fiction. PICKLEDICAE🥒 15:49, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That article might need a full protection @Drmies, you know. By the way, the film is not a biography of HB, should be reverted first. - GizzyCatBella🍁 15:55, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Describe it as RS do - alleged life stories. GizzyCatBella🍁 15:55, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK--change it. I gotta run. Good luck. Drmies (talk) 15:56, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
👍 - GizzyCatBella🍁 15:58, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Again, I will point out that Newsweek isn't known for it's journalistic integrity or factual accuracy. I'm sure Fox News also describes it as a masterful work of non-fiction that is totally accurate and truthful. PICKLEDICAE🥒 15:57, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is going to be another The Kashmir Files. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:02, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't see what Newsweek had to say on the topic. But I used to subscribe to them, a few children ago, and it's sad to see how their reputation has gone down. SFR I'm going to look at that movie. I saw Hotel Mumbai this weekend, BTW, which was fantastic. Drmies (talk) 17:18, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh dear. Drmies (talk) 17:19, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was speaking more about how the donneybrook over how to describe the movie played out on-wiki, and the enormous amount of disruption involved. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:20, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see that. Have to go back almost 1,500 edits to find IP editors--that's a sign of disruption already. And I see how many times you put " Not done" on the talk page. Thanks for keeping it clean. Drmies (talk) 17:23, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think I probably did more "rv NOTAFORUM" "rm duplicate discussion" than actually closing requests. 61 edits to that talk page. And it barely put a dent in the disruption. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:31, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is a much better film, and it's a true story, right? Drmies (talk) 17:31, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
[7] ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:33, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You know where I found it. I wonder if El_C killed my chickens. Drmies (talk) 17:36, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would assume not. He's told me he's petting zoo only. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 17:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Rock hard... rooster! El_C 21:01, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
OK I have no idea what that is. Is that where geeks play video games, comment on it, and put it on YouTube? And they do that for a living? I had to watch an ad for healthcare.gov and for the electric Chevy Blazer to see that... Drmies (talk) 21:05, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Specifically, that is GTA5 on the NoPixel server. Yes, for a living; it can be very lucrative. It's called Role Playing, or RP, which is mostly ad lib acting within the confines of a video game. Some is comedy-driven, some drama, etc. It's been part of the gaming zeitgeist I'd say for 5-10 years now. El_C 21:20, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Unrelated, but can someone whack 2601:642:4C0D:3EB8:C947:8A50:EB6D:FC35 (talk · contribs · (/64) · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) please? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:21, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:25, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
People do the strangest things. And I'm talking about the people who are paying (?) to see that. Block placed; SFR, that's $5. Drmies (talk) 21:27, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do you accept Silver Premier rewards points? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:30, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, Drmies, you so old! El_C 21:31, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Better than me, I watched the ever impressive, clearly brilliant non-fiction work, Sharknado 2. I have a lot of regrets PICKLEDICAE🥒 17:38, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's already happening!! [8][9] ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:55, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Everett Stern edit reversion

I believe you reverted an edit of mine last month in error. [10] You repeated the reversion of another admin, Primefac. [11] Primefac's complaint was "removing this paragraph per WP:BLPCRIME" I had already read this section. You can refer to it, but this is what it says: "For individuals who are not public figures; that is, individuals not covered by § Public figures, editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed, or is accused of having committed, a crime, unless a conviction has been secured." (Emphasis mine).

In other words, the section you removed was allowed if Everett Stern is a public figure. So is he a public figure? To me, the fact that he is running for U.S. Senate ought to be sufficient. But if we look at Wikipedia:Who_is_a_low-profile_individual, he is high profile under Media attention (has given interviews). He is high profile under promotional activities (has voluntarily participated in self-publicity activities, including press conferences for his Senate run, and before). He is high profile under Eminence (has sought a position in a political sphere). Over and over again he has met the criteria of a public figure.

Ultimately do we let wikipedia editors provide well-documented evidence of a criminal prosecution of a Senate candidate, or do we let Senate candidates remove accurate and well-sourced information that they feel might hurt their candidacy or reputation? The rules on this are pretty clear in my opinion and neither you nor Primefac interpreted them correctly here. Also, I feel your comment when you reverted that edit, "do not be fighting with an admin" is not that productive. While you also referred to specific rules, I had already read these and as I describe above, I believe they back my changes, not your reversion.

Mr. Stern seems to think I somehow have it ought for him. My interest here accurate information and fair application of the rules. It does appear to me that over time Stern has made edits to his own web page that were there to promote himself, and could not be backed up by any supplied references. And I think he is just getting what he wants in this case by protesting loudly, rather than because this is what Wikipedia rules say about how public figures accused of crimes should be handled.

Thank you for your consideration. Battling McGook (talk) 20:20, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Hi--and thanks for your note. I'll make some comments, not necessarily in order. First, "Ultimately do we let wikipedia editors provide well-documented evidence [...], or do we let Senate candidates remove accurate and well-sourced information[...]?" Well, we let Wikipedia editors decide, but it will have to be according to our policies, and it won't be one single editor who decides on it. Second, "criminal prosecution"--we're talking about an alleged misdemeanor here. Also, "well-documented" was questioned by an editor or two--including Masem, at this BLPN thread, and I agree completely. I went through Google News again and found one example of the story--and it is SO minor that, in the judgment of this administrator, and that of Primefac, it is not worth sticking into a relatively short article, which it would overwhelm: that is why we have WP:UNDUE. If there's nothing new on that story, then it likely went away, and it certainly wasn't picked up by national media.
    And here's another thing, on a personal note: I can't speak for Primefac, but I find it a bit hard to accept "You're wrong about this policy/guideline" from someone with maybe 300 edits in mainspace, where Primefac and I have a couple of hundred thousand each, over 10-15 years. That doesn't mean we shouldn't be questioned, but it does mean we likely know what we are talking about.
    Well, I'm glad you didn't restore the information. I hope it stays that way. And you can be sure that neither Primefac or I will allow the subject of an article to skew the content. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 00:16, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Just as an additional note, while BLPCRIME might be about non-public figures, BLPPUBLIC (further down the same page) says If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article; I believe the point that both Drmies and I were attempting to make with our reverts is that it fails at least two of those three criteria, especially since it seems to have only been an allegation and not a conviction. Should that change, then by all means we can discuss adding it in, but until then we should not be adding every piece of gossip and news about an individual to their page. Primefac (talk) 07:58, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The criticism about lack of sourcing was when it only had a single source. I corrected that, and there were three independent sources (all different outlets, dailylocal, yoursun, and wuft) before it was removed. I did also mistakenly try to use the docket as a source, not realizing that was forbidden (I still don't understand why but, that's a side issue). The point about the docket though is that it clarifies that the story is absolutely real. It's a thing that really happened and is relevant to the available information about this candidate.
    I don't see anything in the rules about"alleged misdemeanor" being handled differently than any other criminal charge. I still feel that I am correct in regard to the rules. Is it noteworthy? At least three news sources covered it. Is it well-documented? Same. Is it relevant? That's a judgement call, but I think any crime that a U.S. Congressional candidate is 1) accused of and 2) actively trying to remove from public view (here), is relevant.
    I will read up on dispute resolution to see what the next step is to appeal this. Battling McGook (talk) 18:27, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding blocked users, can I agree with admins' comments?

I admit I was rude, but I figured I'd say this. Thank you so much for warning me - I didn't realize I was fueling the fire. As much as I don't think users shouldn't deny evidence of misbehaving or twist others' words, I wonder if it's okay with agreeing with admin comments. Side note: but I've left User talk:Ki999. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 08:40, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I made my thousandth edit on the person's talk page (which is surreal) but frankly, I'm gonna hold back from responding. As much as I don't trust Ki999, I was immature. I'm only relying on what other people perceive the user, as I do not trust users who deny evidence of their behavior. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 08:53, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. I apologize for my barrage of replies on my own talk page. Frankly, the fact I can't remove notifications is bugging me, because I do not want to get reminded of users I do not trust, but that's another topic for another time. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 08:55, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The question I usually ask myself in a discussion that I am late to is: "will my comment add anything to this discussion?" There's nothing wrong with agreeing with an administrator's comment(s), but if you're doing so on a blocked user's talk page purely for the sake of agreeing with that admin, it's probably best to leave well enough alone. Obviously, if it's something like an ANI discussion where more opinions are a good thing, then by all means agree with them (within reason of course). Primefac (talk) 09:26, 2 September 2022 (UTC) (talk page stalker)[reply]
I mean, obviously I like it when people agree with me--but in this case, on that user's talk page, it's piling on, and the situation is not likely to improve. What I would like to see happen is that the editor sees that their behavior, from the perspective of other editors, is not productive, and that they adjust it. Hearing that from others, who may not have been involved with the original matter(s) at all, is not likely to make them think that--they're more likely to feel like they're being persecuted. That's why I asked you to refrain, which you did, and which I appreciate. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 14:40, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My Stepmom's Daughter Is My Ex

I am very curious why you added the {{notability}} template, which is the most ridiculous one among the three you added to this article. A simple Google search can do it but you choose to add this template to an article which has been created for more than a year (and the article was not created by me btw). All your edits have been reverted by me. I am not happy with how easy the edits could be reverted, which means how wrong the edits were. Please do you research before you reverting my edits next time. Thank you. Hijk910 (talk) 13:16, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Googling is not researching. We're an encyclopedia. We work by way of secondary sources. If secondary sources don't prove something is notable, then how are you going to argue it's notable? And speaking of ridiculous: saying that a source for an announcement is primary makes it even worse; what you are doing is using a promotional link to "verify" an announcement, as if Wikipedia is just an outlet for PR. I think you should consider doing this as a hobby on Wikia. What is this supposed to prove? There's a dozen of em. How is this not a spamlink? How is the External links section not a blatant violation of WP:EL? The only secondary sources in the article are announcements from ANN--and those in turn are, explicitly, based on the company website and Natalie.mu, which also bases itself on company websites and are no more valuable than Discogs. In the end, they are all parts of the commercial machinery. Where does actual notability come from? Not from Google or from the company's PR. What you and some fellow editors are doing is merely compiling information from commercial sites and formatting them for Wikipedia, that's all. Drmies (talk) 14:43, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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