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Expand article scope?

Cases have now been reported in Portugal and the US, with more potential cases in Spain. Ionmars10 (talk) 21:20, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Highly Support ~40-50 cases in Spain, 18 cases in Quebec, a case in Massachusetts- the scope of the article must expand to global or worldwide or we can change the name to "2022 monkeypox outbreak" Yokohama1989 (talk) 22:01, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(40-50 suspected, 13 in Quebec, misread) Yokohama1989 (talk) 22:05, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree to expand scope into "2022 monkeypox outbreak". ~ AntisocialRyan (talk) 22:53, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I just moved the page and created redirect of “2022 monkeypox outbreak in (country)” for the countries with cases. Feel free to remove the redirect and expand any of them into an article if desired. Elijahandskip (talk) 00:28, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe ¨2022 Monkeypox Epidemic¨? 73.126.133.15 (talk) 17:27, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support with sigh... Respiratory, digestive, monkeypox, and what else? Johnson.Xia (talk) 20:57, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dates in table

Uhooep: I just saw your update to the table. Note that the date column I added was for the date of last data update. I saw you changed it to date of first case. I partially undid that change, but I think it makes sense, and I'm going to add the two columns. Just noting it here to avoid edit conflicts. Sounds good? Best, MarioGom (talk) 18:23, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure MarioGom. I was already working on a table with date of first case in my sandbox here. The dates are correct as per the sources. KR Uhooep (talk) 18:26, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Uhooep: I have to go away for a while. Feel free to add the column again. Otherwise, I'll do it when I'm back. Best, MarioGom (talk) 18:28, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see you got it  Done. Thanks! MarioGom (talk) 18:40, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Current Events now has a task force for the outbreak

I just began the Monkeypox outbreak task force housed under the WikiProject of Current events. Feel free to join the task force! Elijahandskip (talk) 06:15, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Spain data, 20 May 2022

There's now an official update of confirmed cases in Spain, which totals to 30 [1]. There are previously suspect cases, but I didn't see yet the current suspect count. It is currently NOT 30 confirmed + 29 suspect. I'm looking into the sources to see if this is clarified somewhere. MarioGom (talk) 10:39, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind, found it in the same source. It is currently 30 confirmed + 6 suspect cases. MarioGom (talk) 10:40, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Uhooep: please see above. MarioGom (talk) 10:42, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. El Pais seems more reliable and up to date than the source I added. Uhooep (talk) 10:46, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, for Spain, some good sources are RTVE, El País, or La Vanguardia, among others. I'd be suspicious of sources that do not explicitly mention the source for each figure (Health Ministry for confirmed cases, usually regional governments for suspect cases). Given the lack of clear and centralized official reporting, some media outlets mess up when adding figures from multiple sources, etc. MarioGom (talk) 10:50, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway, it seems my last update is still not correct. Reviewing other sources, since they differ in how they interpreted the confirmed cases count (21 vs 30), and also more regions reported suspect cases. MarioGom (talk) 11:04, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Regional updates are reaching the media now. So apparently the numbers are currently as follows:

  • Ministry of Health: 23 confirmed cases at national level, there are conflicting reports about whether it is 7 previous cases + 23 new cases = 30 total confirmed cases (El País [2], Cadena SER [3], La Vanguardia [4], elDiario.es [5]), or 23 confirmed cases in total (El Mundo [6]). I'm going for 30 confirmed cases because almost every recent and reliable source in Spain is consistent with this at the moment.
  • According to El País at 12:09, 22 May 2022 [7]: 6 suspect cases. This was probably correct, but now probably outdated as more regional reports are published.
  • Madrid: 21 confirmed cases (already included in the national total by Ministry of Health) and 19 suspect cases (La Vanguardia [8], El Mundo [9]).
  • Canary Islands: no update, so it is not clear whether the previously reported suspect case is included in 20 May's national update for confirmed cases.
  • Andalucia: 1 new suspect case reported by regional government (Diario de Sevilla [10]). MarioGom (talk) 11:25, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Use of trackers for statistics

This is something that came up often early in 2020 with COVID-19. Many case trackers are often inaccurate, especially for countries that have no centralized national reporting. In countries like Spain or Germany, where each region's health department publishes reports at different times of the day, or where national reports have a significant lag over regional reports, some of these sources often have problems such as double counting cases. This will probably change at some point. For example, COVID-19 trackers got more accurate over time when most countries set up some form of centralized daily reporting, but we're not there yet with the monkeypox outbreak. So I would suggest avoiding using trackers such as BNO News' for the cases table, and rely on the most reliable sources available for each country. At least for now. Some might find interesting some common reporting errors that we documented back in the day with early COVID-19 case counts: Wikipedia:WikiProject COVID-19/Case Count Task Force#Common errors. cc Pyruvate MarioGom (talk) 16:20, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Israel case

The case for Israel is only suspected in the source, so should it be said in the section which lists the amounts of cases for each country? Grey13z (talk) 20:36, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Genome?

Do we need a page or section on the genome? Most of that info on COVID seems to one the variants page, or like under microbiology on the coronavirus page. JuanTamad (talk) 00:45, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see no such material here yet. Start a section, and then we'll see if it merits being converted into the "summary [here]/for more information [elsewhere]" format. 2A02:8071:184:DA00:64B1:BDB9:C2A8:F521 (talk) 04:40, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If the number of total cases gets past 1000 and is still growing, change title to 'epidemic'

see title — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:3D09:1F80:CA00:A084:8F0C:9CC3:7FDB (talk) 01:00, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Based on what source? Quoting epidemic: For example, in meningococcal infections, an attack rate in excess of 15 cases per 100,000 people for two consecutive weeks is considered an epidemic.
Even if the 1000 cases were within Britain, they would amount to about 1.6 per 100k. But the bottom line is, we follow reliable sources - in this case, it remains to be seen whether mainstream media get out ahead of health authorities, or if the contagion is contained before it gets to that point. 2A02:8071:184:DA00:64B1:BDB9:C2A8:F521 (talk) 04:38, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Since this is now global, any epidemic status is contingent on the WHO referring to it as that​​. It might not gain epidemic status if the WHO and national responses are effective. We will know much more in the coming days. CutePeach (talk) 12:51, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Map

why is French Guyana colored? has a case been reported there as well? 2600:1702:9F0:D140:FD69:4D92:D029:8342 (talk) 08:08, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

French Guiana, which belongs to France Uhooep (talk) 10:36, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

first case in Switzerland

the first case of a human infected by the emerging monkey pox virus have been reported by the national health service of switzerland[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.15.44.90 (talk) 15:35, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.blick.ch/fr/news/monde/apres-la-france-et-lallemagne-un-premier-cas-de-variole-du-singe-a-ete-confirme-en-suisse-id17510409.html

Question to other editors - re epidemiology ("gap" in transmission chain, spead of growth)

Hey, to others interested in the topic / doing stuff here:

I've been reading up today on whats behind the "monkeypox" headlines to be seen here and there, and this was the final place I checked by. Reading it (the article here), one thing that surprised me is that there seems to be a rather gaping "hole" in the chain of transmission between the identified index case (person with travel history to Nigeria, self presented at hospital on day of arrival), and then the next known cases (a couple in London).

Also the number of cases, given the short amount of time - is pretty mind-boggling to me, coming from following the coronavirus pandemic and knowing the "growth rates" that had in the early stages.

I'd be interested what other people here make of this? (I have to admit I'm a little surprised that the gap in the transmission chain wasn't mentioned in any of the news articles I'd been reading).

Regards Sean Heron (talk) 15:45, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Addition - I guess I was so struck that I was in "ask first, read up better later" mode: So the missing links in transmission are addressed in the article ( "None of these new cases had any known contact history with the previous three confirmed cases, suggesting that wider community transmission of the virus was now underway in the London area" . Weird that this is not a more prominent part of media reporting though... ).

Oh also minor correction to myself - I meant the "two people living in one household", when I wrote "a couple in London". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sean Heron (talk • contribs) 15:59, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request

Would do it myself, but am on mobile. I don't know where this figure of 22 for Canada comes from; latest reports state five confirmed and a "couple dozen" cases under investigation. CBC Global News

Also, I think the chart should be separated from the WHO response section and the WHO figures (80 confirmed, 50 suspected, 11 countries) should be mentioned. [11] MSG17 (talk) 15:52, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

MSG17: Someone fixed the Canada figures. According to CBC there's now a couple dozen suspect cases in Canada, but I haven't found a better source confirming if it's exactly 24 or it's meant to be an approximation.
 Done the split of the table section as you suggested Special:Diff/1089069145. MarioGom (talk) 19:08, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Have a great day. MSG17 (talk) 02:56, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Places with over 10 totals

Shouldn't Portugal, Spain, Canada, all have sections, just like the UK does? -- 65.92.247.17 (talk) 21:42, 21 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@65.92.247.17 it seems like the material question here is if the article should be organized like a timeline, with the sections under "UK" and "other" merged into a single narrative or if the whole article should be broken up by country. Right now, there's not a ton of information for each individual country, aside from the UK. But once that changes, it seems prudent to split this into geographic regions. We can have both, too. Erie Bard (talk) 01:35, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

map needs updating

Greece and Switzerland need to be shaded. Can someone check that? 2600:1702:9F0:D140:D0DE:4011:DE54:449D (talk) 05:56, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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