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Requested move 26 March 2022

Murder of Seth Rich → Killing of Seth Rich – Per WP:DEATHS. There have been no murder convictions on this case, so it's inappropriate to label it a murder. Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 02:32, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose WP:DEATHS says if there is a common name we should use it. In this case it is murder. WP:DEATHS in any case is not a policy or guideline and has not been vetted by the community. There's very little doubt that it was a murder, that is, that the assailant had criminal intent, and none has been expressed in reliable sources. TFD (talk) 03:00, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per TFD and WP:COMMONNAME, same as last time we discussed this, in 2020. And the same as when it was discussed before that, in 2017. And trout slap Iamreallygoodatcheckers. Geogene (talk) 05:23, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The preponderance of reliable sources describe this as a murder, either in the headline, or in the body of the story. When "murdered" is not used, its close synonym "slain" is frequently used instead. Cullen328 (talk) 05:33, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "Kill" is a neutral word, whereas "murder" indicates criminal intent. This was clearly a murder, in contrast to another place where we say "kill": Killing of Ma'Khia Bryant, where a police officer shot her to prevent her from stabbing another girl she was attacking with a knife. This was ruled a justifiable homicide and the officer was not charged. This was also not a racially-motivated killing but a tragic event. -- Valjean (talk) 18:12, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. If there were any known suspects, then I would support the move, as the title does presume guilt in the absence of any conviction for murder. However, in this case, since there is no known suspect and since this is most commonly described as a murder, the current title is fine. Rreagan007 (talk) 02:34, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Agree with The Four Deuces. WP:DEATHS is an explanatory supplement and not WP:Policy or a guideline. The WP:Policy of COMMONNAME indicates that if there is a common name, then that common name is what takes precedence. A Google search for "Killing of Seth Rich" gives 2500 results, "Murder of Seth Rich" gives 14,000 - "murder" in this case does seem to be more common. Shearonink (talk) 04:29, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose even as a supporter of WP:DEATHS. WP:DEATHS doesn't apply if the incident is universally considered a murder by sources. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 05:06, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose WP:DEATHS is ridiculous. And murder has nothing to do with convictions or trials. Dimadick (talk) 08:15, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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