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Recogniton

Russia's parliament has done a motion for it and now reportedly Putin will officially recognize this...thing. Just a heads up because I'm sure the edit war will be a mess. Maybe get consensus here? --BLKFTR (tlk2meh) 18:07, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Officially signed by Putin now..--BLKFTR (tlk2meh) 19:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think it would be best to leave it as "partially recognized". This would be the best description of the current situation. Seumas MacGregor (talk) 20:27, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Partially recognized" by the occupying force and a few puppet nations, does not do justice to the term "partially recognized". So, no. I'm not of that opinion, at least without qualifying remarks. All states that have "recognized" this are partly or completely under Putins control, as is the region in question. See War in Donbas for details. Kleuske (talk) 20:32, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kleuske: You are analyzing the situation based on your personal interpretation of the situation. Wikipedia is not supposed to be a source of subjective information. The fact of the matter is that the state in question has been recognized officially as a sovereign state by a state which is recognized globally as sovereign. This qualifies it as partially recognized. Seumas MacGregor (talk) 20:41, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Seumas MacGregor: What about "Recognized only by the occupying force and a few puppet states" is my personal interpretation? Again, "partially recognized" is, in the light of WP:NPOV not doing justice to the various sources.
If we're calling this "partial recognition", we basically parrot Russian propaganda. Kleuske (talk) 20:58, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Partial" means anything more than none and less than full. Therefore, even a recognition by only one UN member state qualifies as a "partial recognition", regardless of whether one's favorite propaganda (be it Russian, American or any other) likes it or not. 176.62.33.75 (talk) 22:00, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Any change will require consensus. Volunteer Marek 21:07, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Based on precedent, specifically Abkhazia and South Ossetia, the wording used is slightly indirect; rather than describing them by general recognition, the specifics of Russia, et al., recognising them is what condenses the information. Having said that, if things do develop, as has been suggested (being as non-speculative as I can), the specific phrasing may not be necessary. Just mentioning it, for no reason and no opinion, whatsoever, because it's a page that happens to mention Ukraine and Russia, as if I was picking one of any of the pages that do, randomly, Crimea. — Bacon Noodles (talk • contribs • uploads) 22:12, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with 176.62.33.75 that we should stick with the accepted definitions, as always. Kleuske, you may wish to have a read of WP:RGW. Firestar464 (talk) 03:45, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is it really necessary to reduce this to the compound adjective "partially recognized"? It would seem simpler to state it is "recognized solely by Russia among all the United Nations", or words to that effect. This is hardly the first puppet state WP has had to describe.LeadSongDog come howl! 03:02, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
While I agree that the clarification on the amount of recognition should be expressed, I fail to see by which definition of "simple" is using 9 words simpler than using 2 words. 193.198.162.14 (talk) 08:59, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
stop No.

International Recognition

We are going to vote wether to add the Donetsk Peoples Republic as a partially recognized state or unrecognized state. 20 vote are needed. List your vote.

Example:

Yes

No 2601:47:4380:AFD8:5521:29D2:12CB:6627 (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Right now it has a recognition, which makes it a partially recognized state. I think it's a neutral, objective term in this situation. It will probably be recognized by a small group of states, but hardly will ever get a full recognition. Beaumain (talk) 21:45, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Frankly, I don't think it's something to be voted on and I'm, to be honest, slightly suspicious of this specific (2601:47:4380:AFD8:5521:29D2:12CB:6627) request. DNR was an unrecognized state, with the news from Putin very specifically done for reasons that are becoming more apparent. With other places, with very similar situations, the wording used has been "partially-recognized" because Russia is a fully recognized country and its recognition is still something. — Bacon Noodles (talk • contribs • uploads) 21:54, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

stop We will not hold a vote. This violates multiple Wikipedia policys. Specifically WP:NOTDEM and WP:Vote. Wikipedia operates on consensus, not voting. And in any case, you cannot set the terms and call a vote here. --Jrcraft Yt (talk) 02:26, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2022

Its independence is recognized by Russia. -> The region is internationally recognized to be a part of Ukraine, with the exception of the Russian Federation who has recognised their independence [1] Levalmaster (talk) 22:42, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Already done See article; it says "partially recognized." --Firestar464 (talk) 03:48, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2022

Change “Viktor Yanukovych, a Donetsk native, was been elected president of Ukraine in 2010.” to “Viktor Yanukovych, a Donetsk native, was elected president of Ukraine in 2010.” 24.181.233.1 (talk) 03:00, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --Firestar464 (talk) 03:49, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2022 (2)

Salasoad1973 (talk) 03:28, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think that Both Putin's ( https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/21/europe/russia-ukraine-tensions-monday-intl/index.html ) and Zelensky's speech ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGJRMYHBZRw ) should be added

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. CMD (talk) 03:35, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Geography and demographics section" has been removed; important information was deleted from the article with it

I noticed that in recent days the "Geography and demographics" section this article had on 18 February 2022 has been removed in recent days. Now information that I consider interesting for the readers of this article (more than half of the pre-war population has left the territory controlled by the DPR and Luhansk People's Republic and leaked documents suggest that approximately 38% of the separatist controlled population are pensioners) has seen to be completely have disappeared from the article. Should the above mentioned information be in a separate part of this article? 50% of the population leaving looks like a big deal to me, also more then a third of the people living there are pensioners does indicate that a DPR economy would be completely impracticable/unviable (the taxes paid by the DPR workforce would go mainly to paying the pensioners there, there would be no money left for other social programs). — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 13:28, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Should the a new "Geography and demographics" contain my 2 main points (50% has left/38% pensioners)? Or should the 2 points be integrated in the "Economy" section? — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 13:52, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Confusing syntax

How can a region be an organisation? The article says that the region is considered a terrorist organisation. Shouldn’t it specidy it is a breakaway region ruled by a specific terrorist organisation?

It’s confusing as it is. 85.148.213.144 (talk) 19:08, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 23 February 2022

I propose changing the last sentence on the introduction:

Both "republics" are at the center of the 2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis.

into

Both self-proclaimed republics are at the center of the 2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis.

mainly because the quotation marks seems to be leaning to an opinion, while "self-proclaimed republics" is a more neutral phrase, although this might be more controversial than I believe so if this requires a discussion I'll be fine by it. - 2001:4453:589:4100:8839:D4E1:167A:DEA1 (talk) 00:08, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that Luhansk People's Republic used "Both Republics" instead, so there's no consistency here. - 2001:4453:589:4100:8839:D4E1:167A:DEA1 (talk) 00:10, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Already done It looks like this was taken care of. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:33, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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