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March 31
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March 30
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RD: G. Gordon Liddy
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WaPo
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Chief figure in the Watergate break-in (other than Nixon). Sentenced to 20 years, which was later commuted to eight by President Carter in an act of goodwill. Later went on to be an actor. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 00:04, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Referencing is going to need serious work before this can be posted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:11, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
March 29
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RD: Gianluigi Colalucci
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTÉ Vatican News
Credits:
- Nominated by Uses x (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Master Restorer and academic who led the restoration works of the Sistine Chapel starting in the 1980's, personally working on some of the most influential and famous paintings in history. He seems to have kept a low-profile in his life, but I've extended it past a stub. Uses x (talk • contribs) 09:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Constantin Brodzki
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTBF; bx1.be
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Oceanh (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Strattonsmith (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Belgium-based architect. Seemed to be well cited, except for the "Realisations" section, where I could cite all but three items (and will choose have chosen to comment out the unsourced entries). Oceanh (talk) 14:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Where did he die? Mind if we get a verified POD? Fakescientist8000 (talk) 15:06, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Could not find information about place of death so far, having searched through obituaries. Added another source (RTBF) to the template. Oceanh (talk) 18:33, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Bobby Schmautz
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NHL.com
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Kaiser matias (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (March 29). —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:57, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support - everything looks cited, and article is sufficient in coverage. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 15:41, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support well cited Vacant0 (talk) 20:51, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Battle of Palma
Blurb: Dozens of civilians are killed and 35,000 displaced after Islamist rebels seize the city of Palma in Mozambique (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, BBC
Credits:
- Nominated by Dumelow (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: The wider Insurgency in Cabo Delgado has been going on for years but this seems to be a significant development. The battle for Palma started a few days ago but reporting has been limited due to accessibility - Dumelow (talk) 09:35, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article is well referenced, very comprehensive, and significant in the current situation. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 10:36, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support But may make sense to make clearer who the attackers are, maybe change it to islamist insurgents or islamist rebels rather than just islamist forces. Llewee (talk) 12:22, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- I've edited the slug as you suggested. The article uses "rebels," which is clearer than "forces." Jehochman Talk 12:59, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support on quality and significance. Jehochman Talk 13:00, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posting. Nice work with the article! --Tone 13:22, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Not my work, I just nominated it. There were took many people in the article history for me to add to the template, but I'll go through and send credits to the major contributors - Dumelow (talk) 18:40, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment - I have no opinion as to whether or not the article should be posted, but this was posted in the span of 3 hours. That's not enough time for consensus to form. I suggest undo the posting, it's too soon. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 22:05, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed – I've seen articles with three support initial votes turn out to be no consensus, and articles with three initial oppose votes get posted. This is too soon. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 22:20, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Though I want to make it clear that I don't actually think this... given that it's all admins commenting and approving the article, if I haven't been on Wikipedia for 14 years, I'd think there's something suspicious about how quickly it was approved. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 23:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Many admins watch this page. There’s no time requirement. We like to promote things from countries that aren’t often covered. This event is significant and it showcases the breadth of Wikipedia’s coverage. Many readers of mainstream media could be unaware of this event. Jehochman Talk 23:36, 29 March 2021 (UTC)]
- So, were you saying that ironically? Or were you trying to bait a reponse? Why would you say something like 'Oh, this is too short. Boo!' and then recant your statement? (Not mad at you, by the way. I was just wondering why you did it.) Fakescientist8000 (talk) 23:49, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- What does that statement have to do with my statement that this was approved too quickly? I know there is no time requirement, but there was no time for anyone to contest the posting of the blurb, either. The time requirement should at least demonstrate the formation of consensus, right? -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 02:20, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Many admins watch this page. There’s no time requirement. We like to promote things from countries that aren’t often covered. This event is significant and it showcases the breadth of Wikipedia’s coverage. Many readers of mainstream media could be unaware of this event. Jehochman Talk 23:36, 29 March 2021 (UTC)]
- Though I want to make it clear that I don't actually think this... given that it's all admins commenting and approving the article, if I haven't been on Wikipedia for 14 years, I'd think there's something suspicious about how quickly it was approved. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 23:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed – I've seen articles with three support initial votes turn out to be no consensus, and articles with three initial oppose votes get posted. This is too soon. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 22:20, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Post-posting support Article is in good shape; thorough coverage of event. SpencerT•C 23:55, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Post-posting support Almost all of the sources are in English, which indicates the international importance of this event. Well cited. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 08:47, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Liu Kai-chi
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SCMP; The Straits Times
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Yeenosaurus (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Hong Kong supporting actor. Article looks well cited but needs more work in the Career section. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 04:10, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Comment Filmography section is way too long. Maybe you should make a new article for it? It would be much appreciated, or maybe just shorten it. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 14:26, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- I've split the filmography off to Liu Kai-chi filmography. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 18:38, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Very well. I change my vote to a Support respetively. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 19:34, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Weak Support Nice and well referenced, but not much to read. Probably add 1 or 2 paragraphs and it'll be ok. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 17:04, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- I added some additional information here and there and a small paragraph on his awards; I'll add more to that one later on. Yeeno (talk) 🍁 20:50, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Bibian Mentel
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by anonymous (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Dutch para-snowboarding athlete and motivational speaker. Survived cancer 15 times.
- Support All paragraphs and sentence referenced. All good. I have removed a reference from the lead which cites her death date because it is already mentioned in below. --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 08:50, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose a few things that need inline sourcing (2002, 2014, 2018 results in the text, and amputation). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:30, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Also, there's 3 places with note "This statement translated from Dutch Wikipedia article"- this isn't a reliable source as per Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Can we either source those statements to a properly reliable source, or just remove? Joseph2302 (talk) 10:32, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- I have made most of the corrections requested by Joseph2302
March 28
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(Blurb) RD: Didier Ratsiraka
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb: Former President of Madagascar Didier Ratsiraka (pictured) dies at the age of 84. (Post)
News source(s): Africanews, RFI
Credits:
- Nominated by Joofjoof (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Sunshineisles2 (talk · give credit), Scanlan (talk · give credit) and Joofjoof (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Longest-serving President of Madagascar. Joofjoof (talk) 20:10, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support and support blurb Majorly influential former world leader. Serving as president twice, he converted Madagascar to socialism and was the country's longest-serving president, only removed for the second time in a soft coup that has had effects on the nation's politics to this day. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:57, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support and support blurb per AllegedlyHuman. Wizardoftheyear (talk) 22:41, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb per AllegedlyHuman Vacant0 (talk) 23:02, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Wait–I think we should clean up the article before heading straight into an ITN blurb. (e.g. add a new picture).Support now that the issues have been solved. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 23:46, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Unless there's a better picture we can use (I'm not saying there isn't, but I couldn't find one on Commons at least), that issue can't be solved. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 23:55, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- I managed to find a larger image on Commons - it had not been categorized. Joofjoof (talk) 01:04, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Good job! Pinging Fakescientist8000 now that this has been fixed. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:28, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- I managed to find a larger image on Commons - it had not been categorized. Joofjoof (talk) 01:04, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Unless there's a better picture we can use (I'm not saying there isn't, but I couldn't find one on Commons at least), that issue can't be solved. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 23:55, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb Heard his name often while reading books about History of Africa. Definitely deserves a blurb. Article condition is prime and passes hygiene checks. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 08:52, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support blurb longest leader of that country, article is good enough. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:01, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted blurb. SpencerT•C 02:34, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I am not seeing a justification in a blurb here for a former head of state. Good enough for RD but neither is the article too good to pass nor the subject notable enough for a blurb. Gotitbro (talk) 03:45, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Joseph Edward Duncan
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NBC Los Angeles; Los Angeles Times; The Spokesman-Review; Associated Press
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Inexpiable (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Infamous serial killer formerly on death row. Died from brain cancer. Inexpiable (talk) 22:41, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Very significant, as was on death row for 7 murders. Article is in good shape, comprehensive, and well-referenced. You should clean up the intro, however. It's too long to navigate through. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 14:26, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Well-sourced and thorough (as most article on serial killers tend to be.) AllegedlyHuman (talk) 14:30, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support well cited! Vacant0 (talk) 23:03, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 23:50, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
March 27
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(Posted) RD: Petr Kellner
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:
- Nominated by Tone (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Czech businessman, died in a helicopter crash. Mostly fine, some references need fixing. --Tone 11:27, 29 March 2021 (UTC) Tone 11:27, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support article seems to be in good shape now. --Jklamo (talk) 16:11, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support everything looks in order for RD JW 1961 Talk 22:06, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support RIP, article is good Vacant0 (talk) 23:04, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 23:52, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Leon Hale
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Houston Chronicle; KTRK-TV (ABC)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 09:10, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support article is in good shape now Vacant0 (talk) 21:31, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 23:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Howard Schnellenberger
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN CNN The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by Dmoore5556 (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Yoshi876 (talk · give credit) and JennilyW (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: longtime coach of American football at both the collegiate and professional levels. Dmoore5556 (talk) 01:29, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Article is very comprehensive, but there's a huge amount of text that's unreferenced. Uses x (talk • contribs) 02:45, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Update I added sourcing in several areas over the weekend. Dmoore5556 (talk) 20:46, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose There remains almost a handful of paragraphs that are completely unsourced.—Bagumba (talk) 03:47, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Venezuelan clashes
Blurb: Clashes in the Apure border state between Colombian FARC dissidents and the Venezuelan Armed Forces cause at least eight casualties and 4,000 displaced Venezuelans (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera Bloomberg Swissinfo
Credits:
- Nominated by NoonIcarus (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: These types of clashes, lasting more than a day and causing forced displacement, are uncommon despite the current crisis, as well as after the Colombian peace process. There are also concerns that other five deaths consist in extrajudicial kilings; I've decided not to include in the blurb to keep it as neutral as possible, but the reported human right violations are noteworthy. NoonIcarus (talk) 00:43, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Wait Currently a stub. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:55, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose unless the clashes intensify. This is fairly minor - much less than the Battle of Palma, which has a better article & isn't nominated. Jim Michael (talk) 09:08, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- But there's nothing stopping someone from nominting it, is there? I would understand the rationale if the article had already been rejected, but this is not currently the case. Besides, context is also important: the bar for events that are commonplace is understandably higher, which is the case for insurgency in the Middle East (and taking a look at the Insurgency in Cabo Delgado article's timeline, the same appears to have here). On the other hand, these type of attacks from Colombia have been uncommon for years and some aspects are unprecedented, such as the use of landmines. --NoonIcarus (talk) 01:37, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose the article doesn't actually describe a single "clash" --LaserLegs (talk) 15:20, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment @AllegedlyHuman and LaserLegs: The article has now been expanded. --NoonIcarus (talk) 01:27, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support following expansion. Also, if we blurb this but the event continues for some time, I wouldn't be opposed to moving it to ongoing after it naturally rolls off. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 14:02, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support per AllegedlyHuman. Pinging @Jim Michael: and @LaserLegs: on expansion. Dan the Animator 14:32, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Now the article has been greatly improved, the only issue is its importance - which I'm neutral on. Jim Michael (talk) 14:41, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Wait Unless the events escalate to such a degree it begins a massive event (i.e. UN gets involved/NATO condemns it), then I will keep my neutral stance on this. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 20:28, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Is this a major aberration from the usual turmoil at the border including those killed? Doesn't seem so with the current info and blurb. Gotitbro (talk) 03:49, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
Myanmar protests
Blurb: Myanmar government forces kill at least 114 civilians in the bloodiest day of the 2021 protests against the Myanmar coup d'état. (Post)
Alternative blurb: In Myanmar, at least 107 are killed on the Myanmar Armed Forces Day during protests and conflicts with ethnic military groups following the Myanmar coup d'état.
News source(s): United Nations, NPR, CNN, Fox News, AP
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Osunpokeh (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Uses x (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Made world headlines today, significant record in death count. Previous uptick to 38 in a single day was posted. Osunpokeh (talk) 18:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment
The CNN and Fox News sources above say 91 on this single day rather than 114. This should be sorted out.Brandmeistertalk 19:15, 27 March 2021 (UTC)- @Brandmeister They just need to be updated. Both are using Myanmar Now as a reference, but the Reuters article updated 40 minutes ago does the same and they're giving the 114 number. Uses x (talk • contribs) 19:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Ok, I see. Brandmeistertalk 19:54, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Brandmeister They just need to be updated. Both are using Myanmar Now as a reference, but the Reuters article updated 40 minutes ago does the same and they're giving the 114 number. Uses x (talk • contribs) 19:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose article is overly WP:DETAILed cherry picked POV proseline trash that's been festering in "Ongoing" for months. The death toll is utterly arbitrary. Article makes no mentioned of the 100s of prisoners released because it doesn't fit with the hysteria. Posting this would bump the first female president of Tanzania which is infinitely more consequential than this minor flare up in news coverage. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:17, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- @LaserLegs if there's an issue, you're free to fix it. That's what Wikipedia is all about. When I've added information about an arrest and the person is later released, I add the release. And besides, I think coverage of someone being arrested is more important than them being released, especially if they weren't arrested for cause in the first place. Uses x (talk • contribs) 19:31, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'm WP:NOTREQUIRED to fix that article, I try to avoid POV laden articles until long after the outrage has subsided, and I honestly don't care about the subject at all. What I do care about is the quality of what ITN features on the main page and while I know better than to try and crowbar this trash out of the Ongoing section, that doesn't mean it's in any state to be featured in a blurb especially for something as inconsequential as some death toll milestone. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:57, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- We disagree on the article quality, and we're not going to change each other's minds on that, but "I honestly don't care about the subject at all" sounds like the reason for you thinking it's inconsequential. It's headline news in every newspaper and news site I can think of, so it's hardly just some "minor flare up", and a ten-fold death count to what's normally posted in ITN. It's also never received an ITN blurb, so it's not as if there's overexposure. Anyway, we won't change each other's minds so I'll leave it at that. Uses x (talk • contribs) 20:12, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- It got a blurb when the uprising started, and it's been festering in ongoing ever since. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:19, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- We disagree on the article quality, and we're not going to change each other's minds on that, but "I honestly don't care about the subject at all" sounds like the reason for you thinking it's inconsequential. It's headline news in every newspaper and news site I can think of, so it's hardly just some "minor flare up", and a ten-fold death count to what's normally posted in ITN. It's also never received an ITN blurb, so it's not as if there's overexposure. Anyway, we won't change each other's minds so I'll leave it at that. Uses x (talk • contribs) 20:12, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'm WP:NOTREQUIRED to fix that article, I try to avoid POV laden articles until long after the outrage has subsided, and I honestly don't care about the subject at all. What I do care about is the quality of what ITN features on the main page and while I know better than to try and crowbar this trash out of the Ongoing section, that doesn't mean it's in any state to be featured in a blurb especially for something as inconsequential as some death toll milestone. --LaserLegs (talk) 19:57, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- @LaserLegs if there's an issue, you're free to fix it. That's what Wikipedia is all about. When I've added information about an arrest and the person is later released, I add the release. And besides, I think coverage of someone being arrested is more important than them being released, especially if they weren't arrested for cause in the first place. Uses x (talk • contribs) 19:31, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment @Osunpokeh: It's not just civilians that were killed. I've created a section on it; there's also conflict between the military and the ethnic armies. See: 2021_Myanmar_protests#Armed_Forces_Day. I recommend changing the blurb to not say "civilians", and changing the nomination to link to that dedicated section. Uses x (talk • contribs) 19:21, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- I've added a correct altblurb. Uses x (talk • contribs) 21:34, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I feel the article needs a bit of help on dates/timeline via headers as I was struggling to find where this event was addressed. I think this would be reasonable to have as ITN but I do think it needs to be clear to the reader what section is the news story. --Masem (t) 20:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Masem I've done a bunch of re-organization to the article, and it's much clearer now. Uses x (talk • contribs) 21:17, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose: this is already, rightly, in "Ongoing", but this particular event does not fundamentally change the nature of the protests or government response, just the size/severity, so I don't support mentioning. — Bilorv (talk) 20:32, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Bilorv Ethnic military groups are now involved, including a raid by one on a military outpost (killing ten) and a subsequent airstrike on that group's village. I've added an altblurb, and I'd like to hear your thought on this. Uses x (talk • contribs) 21:36, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps I should have given examples of what a fundamental change might be (in general, not saying any of these make sense for Myanmar specifically): a government acceeding to a most major demand of protesters; an additional party joining the conflict (such as a state invading a region); protesters occupying a legislature or a legislature's suspension. A raid and an airstrike are not of that nature, and though I'm struggling to evaluate what change has occurred in the military group makeup, I don't see that it would count either. — Bilorv (talk) 21:46, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Bilorv Ethnic military groups are now involved, including a raid by one on a military outpost (killing ten) and a subsequent airstrike on that group's village. I've added an altblurb, and I'd like to hear your thought on this. Uses x (talk • contribs) 21:36, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - Not again please. STSC (talk) 20:57, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose and SNOW close - part of ongoing already. Albertaont (talk) 23:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support since this is clearly a huge death toll and the highest since the protests have started. The article can be removed from the ongoing section and be replaced with a blurb, if that's an issue, without prejudice of returing to the previous version after the blurb is removed. --NoonIcarus (talk) 00:18, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Already in Ongoing, which is a better place for it. P-K3 (talk) 17:25, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support a notable development. It involves more deaths than the Rohingya refugee camp fire. Already being in ongoing isn't a big deal - it can be removed from ongoing while it is a blurb, and then reinserted to ongoing afterwards. Banedon (talk) 02:07, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Already in Ongoing. I considered nominating it for removal last Friday, because the updates were sparse (a few paras in the last week concerning events from weeks ago). This new development is merely fulfilling the continuously updated portion of the Ongoing criteria; there's no need to feature one update in two different places of the Front Page.130.233.213.199 (talk) 05:20, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Already in Ongoing. Cherry picked POV and indeed overly detailed. Hope we do not have to discuss this now every weekend. Death toll arbitrary, Myanmar Now as a final source...well. CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:48, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose WP:SNOW closure, cherrypicked and overdone. Next! Fakescientist8000 (talk) 16:51, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Per above, covered by ongoing. Gotitbro (talk) 03:47, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
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2021 Bangladesh anti-Modi protests
Blurb: In Bangladesh, at least 4 people are killed in protests against Narendra Modi's official visit. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera Deutsche Welle SCMP
Credits:
- Nominated by Depressed Desi (talk · give credit)
- Created by Endeavorbd (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Khalidwarrior (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Sad turn of events and an international embarrassment for the visiting dignitary. Depressed Desi (talk) 04:57, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose for now. There appears to be a lot of bias in the article. For example, it says "This resulted in stone pelting from both sides", then when you go to the citation it only makes mention of protestors throwing stones at police. The selection of citations is also biased, with the sole citation on one part titled "Modi is not welcome in Dhaka: rally". You also need to state the police side of it since that information is out (accusations of vandalism, self-defence, etc); you don't need to believe it, you just need to state it. Uses x (talk • contribs) 16:55, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per @Uses x's stance. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 20:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Nabindra Raj Joshi
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [2]
Credits:
- Nominated by Usedtobecool (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Will take some time and effort. Okay, I'm done; I don't think I can squeeze more out of the available sources. Would some one please take a look? Thanks! Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:15, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Will need expansion beyond stub if it's to make the grade JW 1961 Talk 19:16, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Weak article, not very comprehensive, not referenced much at all. Expand it or close this nomination. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 20:31, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I have done what I can. I think it meets the requirements. Usedtobecool ☎️ 08:06, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Sorry, but even if you did do what you could do, it doesn't meet the requirements. It's mostly just useless fluff. I mean, who *really* needs a quote of someone to say how 'heroic' someone was? This is supposed to be an encyclopedic article, not padded fluffing you got from 10 articles. Fakescientist8000 (talk) 16:56, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support I'm not seeing what Fakescientist8000's talking about here. This is pretty good; on the shorter side, but well-sourced and discusses the subject and what he did in office better than most politician RD noms. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 18:46, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Limited depth of coverage of subject's political career. Disagree that this article is better than most politician RD noms. SpencerT•C 02:37, 31 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Joe Cunningham (baseball)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MLB.com; Associated Press; St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Only announced and reported today (March 26). —Bloom6132 (talk) 02:33, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Sufficient for RD JW 1961 Talk 19:17, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support It'd be good if his "Professional career" had a better citation than a data sheet, but you can't expect much on sportspeople who played before the internet. Otherwise, it's comprehensive enough for RD. Uses x (talk • contribs) 22:45, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
OpposeAP obit's title, "... boosted Cards at bat and as exec ...",[3] mentions his executive career, but there is no information on this part of his life in his bio currently.—Bagumba (talk) 07:42, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Bagumba: done. I've added a "Post-playing career" section. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:52, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Sufficient breadth, sourced.—Bagumba (talk) 17:07, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted My late !vote aside, no outstanding oppostion after two days (and another RD posted even while this was "ready").—Bagumba (talk) 12:07, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Mike Bell
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:
- Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: It's not close yet, but I'll get it there by tomorrow. It's short, but complete. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:01, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Short but sufficient for RD JW 1961 Talk 19:19, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Neutral Essentially a resume in prose format. Not much to say about him, but at present too brief for me to support. SpencerT•C 00:29, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Beverly Cleary
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:
- Nominated by UncomfortablySmug (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Oceanh (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Beloved children's author. UncomfortablySmug (talk) 21:24, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support What a throwback seeing this news is. Davey2116 (talk) 21:50, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article in quality shape for posting. --Masem (t) 22:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Doesn't look far from GA status. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 22:41, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Very well-cited. rawmustard (talk) 22:58, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Should this one be blurbed? She's a household name and a titan of children's literature, with 91 million book copies sold. Per the talk page, she's WP:VIT5. I'm not adding a blurb to the nom because I'm somewhat on the fence myself, but wanted to hear what other people think. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 00:24, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- I would wonder if she was well known outside of the US. 331dot (talk) 00:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- I agree with that, and I don't see the Vital Article scale as that relevant either. P-K3 (talk) 01:31, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- I would wonder if she was well known outside of the US. 331dot (talk) 00:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 00:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- No Blurb Big in Canada once, still fondly remembered, but as a relic of a bygone age. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:59, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Blurb Her article got 270,000 views yesterday, and 153,000 views the day before that. I think she's popular enough for a blurb. In contrast, the individuals beside her are getting less than 8,000 views a day. Uses x (talk • contribs) 17:22, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thinking about it more, it might be stale by now though. Uses x (talk • contribs) 17:27, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'll stress again: ITN is not driver by reader views - we would like to see pages features at ITN to get more reader views, but we don't let reader views determine what we feature at ITN, or otherwise this would become a popularity game. --Masem (t) 17:56, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thinking about it more, it might be stale by now though. Uses x (talk • contribs) 17:27, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Alba Party
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Blurb: Alex Salmond (pictured) launches the new pro-independence Alba Party, which will participate in the 2021 Scottish Parliament election. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News Online
Credits:
- Nominated by Mjroots (talk · give credit)
- Created by JacobSa (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bondegezou (talk · give credit)
- Oppose local politics. The formation of a party that's done nothing to date isn't notable. Uses x (talk •
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• contribs) 15:36, 26 March 2021 (UTC) - Snowpose Nowhere near important enough on a wide-enough scale for inclusion on the front page. doktorb wordsdeeds 16:50, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Strong oppose and suggest WP:SNOW closure. ITN doesn't post leadership changes of major national political parties, let alone a schism in a regional party. We won't publish the results of the Scottish election either, as it's sub-national. Modest Genius talk 17:34, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Sohag train collision
Blurb: A train collision near Sohag, Egypt, kills at least
News source(s): Jerusalem Post, Reuters, dpa (new), AP, BBC
Credits:
- Created and nominated by The Rambling Man (talk · give credit)
Nominator's comments: Disaster stub, bound to grow. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 12:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment needs
background,reactionsandmap--LaserLegs (talk) 13:13, 26 March 2021 (UTC)- Support and probably ready - meets the minimum requirements --LaserLegs (talk) 00:30, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Certainly ITN worthy, but it's too short right now. Uses x (talk •
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• contribs) 13:50, 26 March 2021 (UTC)- Don't think we'll be getting that article. "Public Prosecution calls on all parties not to issue any data about the train collision in Upper Egypt's Sohag." [1] Uses x (talk •
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• contribs) 14:18, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Don't think we'll be getting that article. "Public Prosecution calls on all parties not to issue any data about the train collision in Upper Egypt's Sohag." [1] Uses x (talk •
- Conditional Support once the article is cleaned up. INeedSupport 😷 18:49, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support - article in good enough shape to post now. Mjroots (talk) 06:58, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment – According to this RS report, on Saturday Egyptian Health Minister Hala Zyed revised the death toll down to 19. – Sca (talk) 12:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - only 1800 page views; I don't think this is of sufficient interest to readers to post at ITN. It's only been a day, though, so my !vote would change if the next day's page views spiked. Levivich harass/hound 15:25, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- We do not cater to reader views at ITN or WP in general - otherwise we'd transition to covering primarily celebrity news, Pokemon, and other more trivial nonsense. We're not a newspaper and not meant to be used as a news source, but instead ITN is meant to highlight stories that are in the news (that are otherwise not routine) and that we have quality articles for, ideally as to potentially to draw more readers to see that. --Masem (t) 15:28, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Actually, we do cater to readers at ITN and Wikipedia in general. The purpose of ITN is to help readers find the articles about topics in the news that they're interested in; it says so right at WP:ITN. A lack of page views demonstrates a lack of reader interest. ITN is not for highlighting stories for the purpose of drawing more readers. It is not a tool to drive the news cycle, and editors shouldn't use it as such. "Wikipedia should follow, not lead." Levivich harass/hound 15:42, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- "The Egyptian government's statistics have recorded nearly 11,000 accidents on rail lines between 2008 and 2017, including a high of 1,793 in 2017." Yet no one is here shrieking that rail accidents are routine in Egypt. No one is making sarcastic comments like "The pope is Catholic. Trains crash in Egypt" and no one is posting snide French language "good jobs" after those sarcastic comments. It is 60% filler, very light on actual details, follows the template precisely, will be stagnant in a few weeks and unchanged for years just like all the rest and you can no more stop it from being posted than you can stop the sun from rising in the east. Just go with it, it's easier. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:46, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- One of the ITN reasons is to help readers find news stories they may be searching for but it is not the only reason. And one reason for ITN is to highlight stories that may not be top-of-the-fold news stories but are still in the news that have quality articles to draw more readers. This is why we are very selective about what stories we post. --Masem (t) 20:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- We do not cater to reader views at ITN or WP in general - otherwise we'd transition to covering primarily celebrity news, Pokemon, and other more trivial nonsense. We're not a newspaper and not meant to be used as a news source, but instead ITN is meant to highlight stories that are in the news (that are otherwise not routine) and that we have quality articles for, ideally as to potentially to draw more readers to see that. --Masem (t) 15:28, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Added some additional material regarding international response, et cetera. Article looks somewhat better now. --Osunpokeh (talk) 18:11, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support - it's notable enough & the article is sufficient. There's no minimum number of readers to qualify for posting. Had this happened in the West, it would have been posted.[citation needed] Jim Michael (talk) 18:45, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Marking as ready. Article seems sufficient, though it could maybe be a little longer. -- Calidum 20:10, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose posting without further evidence of notability. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 20:47, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Rm ready. Per WP:ITN, In the case of a new, event-specific article, the traditional cut-off for what is enough has been around three complete, referenced and well-formed paragraphs. An example of the minimum required update for a new article is Fuzhou derailment at the time of its posting. This article does not have "three complete, referenced and well-formed paragraphs." SpencerT•C 00:27, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose In the last 3 days, the only new information added to the article is a statement by Egyptian PM. Seems to have disappeared from RSs. Stub appears unlikely to grow at the this point.130.233.213.199 (talk) 05:25, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Haseena Moin
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): tribune.com.pk
Credits:
- Nominated by Oceanh (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Ulubatli Hasan (talk · give credit) and Muhammad236 (talk · give credit)
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Nominator's comments: Pakistani dramatist, playwright and scriptwriter. A few sections need inline citations, and a large filmography might be challenging regarding proper sourcing. Oceanh (talk) 06:44, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Kamalesh Chandra Chakrabarty
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MoneyControl (India)
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Ktin (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Shailendratrivedi (talk · give credit) and Titodutta (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Indian Banker. News just breaking. Article requires some effort in building out. Not ready for homepage / RD as of yet. However, obituaries should start appearing soon with good amount of content to add to the article. Edits and content expansion done. Article has shaped to a decent C-class biography. Meets hygiene expectations for homepage / RD. Ktin (talk) 04:08, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Marking ready. Ktin, one comment: "During his time at the central bank, an off-the-record comment on the bank's inadequacy in controlling inflation resulted in him being relieved of many of his roles" should be shifted from passive to active voice. Did Chakrabarty make this off the record comment, or did someone else? At present that isn't clear. SpencerT•C 00:23, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks Spencer. Changed and clarified. Please see if this works better. Thanks much. Ktin (talk) 02:04, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 23:47, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
March 25
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(Posted) RD: Rais Abin
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Running text at VECONAC website
Credits:
- Nominated by Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Thriley (talk · give credit) and Jeromi Mikhael (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Lieutenant General in the Indonesian Army. Spencer could you take a look at this and see if this is adequate? --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 15:24, 29 March 2021 (UTC) Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 09:49, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Good depth of coverage, referenced. SpencerT•C 22:07, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 05:04, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: WAG Pinto
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Hindustan Times
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Zwerubae (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Lieutenant General in the Indian Army. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:28, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment A nice article. Some CNs added to Post-war Career. What's the MOS for this? Can someone confirm that "WAG" is his actual COMMONNAME in Indian RSs, and how should acronyms-as-names be treated?130.233.213.199 (talk) 05:30, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Larry McMurtry
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Rawmustard (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Gobonobo (talk · give credit), Peter NYC (talk · give credit) and Oceanh (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
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Nominator's comments: Lists are in need of citations. rawmustard (talk) 16:44, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Completed citations of list items ("Film" and "Television" sections). Added updaters to list of updaters. Oceanh (talk) 07:47, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Stan Albeck
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Antonio Express-News; Associated Press
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 10:59, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Referenced, adequate depth of coverage. SpencerT•C 16:23, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 00:18, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Bertrand Tavernier
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood, The Guardian, Le Figaro, El País
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 206.51.96.12 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: French filmmaker. 79. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 06:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support when ready. Very influential film director.
Personal life andfilmography need sourcing. Alexcalamaro (talk) 08:15, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Bobby Brown (third baseman)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MLB.com; The Dallas Morning News; Associated Press
Credits:
- Updated and nominated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Bloom6132 (talk) 02:17, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Conditional support Referenced, adequate depth of coverage; added 1 CN tag for information not supported by the following reference, when added, support no longer conditional. SpencerT•C 16:26, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment I provided a reference for the CN about his Korean War service and reworded the sentence to match the source. 2601:204:D400:7310:FC71:F80:E4FA:1676 (talk) 22:32, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for adding that! I've used the original AP ref (which got deleted by another editor earlier). @Spencer: done. —Bloom6132 (talk) 22:35, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 00:52, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
(Closed) Tornado outbreak of March 24–25, 2021
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Blurb: Five people are killed in an ongoing tornado outbreak in the Southeastern United States. (Post)
News source(s): (Washington Post), (CNN)
Credits:
- Created and nominated by Elijahandskip (talk · give credit)
- Updated by HurricaneCovid (talk · give credit), MarioProtIV (talk · give credit) and 0w0 catt0s (talk · give credit)
- Oppose Seems like a normal weather event Nixinova T C 03:38, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- For what it's worth, the Georgia voting law is above the tornadoes on every American news outlet I've checked. So it's not exactly the "top headline." Mlb96 (talk) 03:45, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose It's tornado season in the US. There will be such outbreaks and small numbers of death with most of these, and this is thus "routine" in that sense. (that's assuming there's no further late-breaking storms that drastically increase that death toll) --Masem (t) 04:02, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
Weakoppose Unless you're trying to doomcast a tornado to cause a ton of damage and kill a lot of people within the next couple of hours, I don't see why this article should be posted in this current state. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 05:10, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Actually maybe. A major tornado just hit Newnan Alabama. Debris was hitting as far north as Atlanta, far enough away that the TV meteorologists were shocked by it. Outbreak not over yet. Elijahandskip (talk) 05:29, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- If you knew what you're sending to ITN, you would've known this was in Georgia, not Alabama. Anyway, the storm's over and it seems to not have caused no more fatalities than yesterday. Nova Crystallis (Talk) 13:42, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Actually maybe. A major tornado just hit Newnan Alabama. Debris was hitting as far north as Atlanta, far enough away that the TV meteorologists were shocked by it. Outbreak not over yet. Elijahandskip (talk) 05:29, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Not major news, even in the U.S., right now.—Bagumba (talk) 09:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Not really a major outbreak. It seems to be a run-of-the-mill tornado outbreak at this point. Let's be thankful that more people weren't hurt. NoahTalk 12:57, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose – Per previous. – Sca (talk) 14:16, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per all the above. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 14:19, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose This appears to be the third tornado outbreak this month with a separate article so it's really not a rare event or one with significant death toll and damage that merits inclusion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:12, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - Like many other things nominated here, these are becoming more and more common. It's sad, but these are normal. It's not really ITN-worthy at this point. CodingCyclone! 🌀 📘 23:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Uta Ranke-Heinemann
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Süddeutsche Zeitung (German)
Credits:
- Nominated by SoWhy (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Oceanh (talk · give credit) and Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German theologian, first female doctorate in Catholic theology, daughter of former German president Gustav Heinemann. Article updated, short but seems sufficiently sourced. SoWhy 12:01, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Short but sufficient for RD, decently referenced article JW 1961 Talk 12:54, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support
Oppose for now. I've checked out the citations and some statements are not referenced, I've added tags for these. I can't verify some citations myself. I'm not convinced beliefnet is RS either, and it hasn't been rated on the reliable sources noticeboard. Uses x (talk) 13:03, 25 March 2021 (UTC)16:25, 25 March 2021 (UTC)- Gerda Arendt has addressed most of those and I added a couple of sources as well, hopefully not interfering too much in their work (had an edit conflict but I think I resolved it gracefully). Regards SoWhy 14:58, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Please give me some more time, later today ;) - I try to keep edits short. What we have right now is just bones. Her father became president after was the first woman in the world to be habilitated in Catholic theology. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:03, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Everything looks good, so I've changed to support. Let's wait until @Gerda Arendt: is happy with it though. Uses x (talk) 16:25, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Gerda Arendt has addressed most of those and I added a couple of sources as well, hopefully not interfering too much in their work (had an edit conflict but I think I resolved it gracefully). Regards SoWhy 14:58, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Die allerhöchste Autoritätin. – Sca (talk) 18:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- That's cute ;) - ok, I think it works now, - still not the greatest but major aspects covered. Perhaps we'll have more sources tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Die allerhöchste Autoritätin. – Sca (talk) 18:27, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support I concur with Joseywales1961 above. While the career section has gaps in coverage (e.g. 1954-1969), this article isn't a stub so I think what we have is sufficient for RD. TJMSmith (talk) 19:48, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 03:33, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
March 24
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RD: Morris Dickstein
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Joeyvandernaald (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Preeminent American scholar and literary critic. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 03:12, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Article has a huge lede and needs some reorganization. SpencerT•C 23:44, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Don Heffington
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): LA Times
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Bloom6132 (talk · give credit) and Doc Strange (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American roots rock drummer. Played with Lone Justice and Watkins Family Hour. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:26, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support – well-sourced; looks like it meets the minimum requirements. —Bloom6132 (talk) 07:45, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Insufficient depth of coverage in career section. At present, mostly just a list of groups and his bandmates. SpencerT•C 16:28, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Spencer: I've added some more info to the "Career" section. Hope that suffices. —Bloom6132 (talk) 12:15, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support Relatively bare but meets minimum standards. SpencerT•C 22:08, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Finian's Rainbow
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Racing Post
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by 147.0.4.226 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Racehorse. Died of colic. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 07:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Good depth of coverage. SpencerT•C 16:29, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 00:12, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Jessica Walter
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
Credits:
- Nominated by Masem (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Best known as Lucille Bluth on Arrested Development. Usual problems in sourcing of mid-tier Hollywood actors. Masem (t) 19:38, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- comment: there are no longer any citation needed tags in the main body of the text, though i am not sure if the filmography needs to be thoroughly cited. dying (talk) 23:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Weak oppose Needs SAG award and filmography references. Removing cn tags doesn't mean they don't still apply. Kingsif (talk) 16:05, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- i couldn't find the removed citation needed tags that you were referring to, although my history search was admittedly not very thorough.[a] feel free to add them to where you think they'd be appropriate.[b] i also added some sources for the screen actors guild awards. also, while i was finding sources for the film credits, another editor moved the filmography to a separate article, so i suppose my earlier point regarding the filmography is now moot. dying (talk) 07:42, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Notes
- ^ i removed some tags myself, but had replaced them with citations, so i'm assuming you weren't referring to those edits.
- ^ i'm not sure what the standard for the tag is nowadays, and had only wished to state that at least the tags that were there when i came across the article had been replaced with citations, and not that the article did not need any more citations.
(Closed) Abolition of capital punishment in Virginia
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Virginia becomes the first southern state to abolish capital punishment. (Post)
Alternative blurb: After executing over 1,700 people, Virginia becomes the 23rd state to abolish the death penalty, and the first Southern state to do so.
Alternative blurb II: In the U.S., the state of Virginia becomes the first Southern state to abolish the death penalty, after making a record number 1,700 executions.
News source(s): The Washington Post, BBC News, CNN
Credits:
- Nominated by Inexpiable (talk · give credit)
Article updated
- Comment good faith nom but it's almost certainly doomed. VA has been bluing for some time now it's hardly a surprise that the Democrats 86'd the death penalty. ITN has a certain aversion to "US-centric" stories, and I doubt the 23rd of anything is going to get posted around here. Good news for VA though. Just don't get discouraged when this is snow closed in an hour. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:17, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, thanks for your interest in ITN but this has no chance of being posted. As LaserLegs says, Virginia is a rare Southern state that is now pretty solidly blue so it's not really a surprise. P-K3 (talk) 23:23, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- I wouldn't necessarily think so. This is a huge event; as stated by the nominator, it shows that the death penalty is declining in the U.S. This won't get closed, I'm afraid. KingOfAllThings (thou shalt chatter!) 23:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Huge event for the death penalty in the US; definitely deserves posting. Also added an altblurb. KingOfAllThings (thou shalt chatter!) 23:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose mostly because this is subnational news. On another note, how many of those thousands are post-1976? The most "modern" post-1976 executions, IIRC, is Texas (and Oklahoma per capita). – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 00:07, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- 113 post-Gregg, second behind Texas. P-K3 (talk) 00:36, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose intra-national event. Banedon (talk) 01:17, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Another day, another regional news. 180.244.192.11 (talk) 02:35, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Not receiving major coverage in the U.S. Maybe would support if it were at the federal level. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 02:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Congratulations on 1/50th of a country catching up to the rest of the developed nations it claims to be one of. Kingsif (talk) 05:22, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Pigeonholing. The first Southern state; misleading blurbs make it seem as if 1700 people executed recently.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:14, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose -- I'm looking forward to the day that the death penalty is abolished nationwide. Until that day, I don't think this would qualify as ITN as it's not much of a change. But from here in Florida, I'm praying for the day that we join Virginia in ending this barbaric practice once and for all. -- Rockstone[Send me a message!] 06:46, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose not novel, positive news no doubt. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 09:55, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: Bob Plager
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Post-Dispatch
Credits:
- Nominated by AllegedlyHuman (talk · give credit)
- Updated by The Kip (talk · give credit), DosAmours (talk · give credit) and Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: St. Louis Blues hockey legend. Car crash. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 21:41, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Early career section has some uncited information. I added one tag for now. I'm pretty busy right now so I don't have the time to look up any citations for Plager. INeedSupport 😷 00:31, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- @INeedSupport: added two more sources. —Bloom6132 (talk) 01:20, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Spencer, Stephen, and Black Kite: what are your thoughts on this? Does it meet the minimum requirements for ITN? —Bloom6132 (talk) 03:55, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted Stephen 04:16, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) Suez Canal obstruction
Blurb: The Suez Canal, the world's busiest shipping route, is blocked by a cargo ship that ran aground. (Post)
Alternative blurb: The Suez Canal is blocked by a cargo ship that ran aground, resulting in a traffic jam of at least 150 vessels.
News source(s): CNN, Al Jazeera, Al Jazeera 2, The Telegraph, CBC, Guardian, dpa, AP The New York Times
Credits:
- Nominated by 142.114.203.221 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Nominator's comments: Unusual and unprecedented, with worldwide impact on shipping and worldwide news coverage. 142.114.203.221 (talk) 15:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Note: a new article March 2021 Suez Canal obstruction has now been created. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:33, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support: Rare occasion and interesting (bit funny) too. Although we can consider the Alt Blurb2 to not make it seem sensational. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 15:50, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose it's a rare inconvenience but it's probably better suited at DYK than ITN. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:02, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Also, target article is tagged and needs plenty of work to get close to main-page standards. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, Ever Given is a bit stubby. But the main target in all three existing blurbs is Suez Canal which seems a pretty clean and robust article? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:19, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Also, target article is tagged and needs plenty of work to get close to main-page standards. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Unprecedented and has the potential to affect the trade between many countries. You'd think today's technology would be able to prevent this from ever happening. (Also not a mass-shooting or a sports event, so should cause less squabbling here!) Martinevans123 (talk) 16:08, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- I thought the same about modern science until last March. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:12, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Martinevans123 "While traffic has slowed down, there is little risk of shortages in goods.", "There are existing stocks. If you look at oil supply, it is only the one from the Middle East and we have other supply sources," [4] Uses x (talk) 08:48, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Whatevs, I'm fine. I've got Amazon Prime. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:05, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
OpposeUnless there is a new article about the specific incident (indicating its international impact/notability/etc.), this has limited lasting impact. Ship article is relatively new and would be eligible for DYK if it meets the other criteria. SpencerT•C 16:13, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Ever Given couldn't be much newer? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:15, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Striking oppose; article about event created. SpencerT•C 16:59, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- I'd support the blurb with the ship's article bolded, if the incident part is expanded a bit. --Tone 16:20, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- The picture's absolutely awful though. ——Serial 16:21, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed, it's almost unusable. Maybe a better one can be found and uploaded. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:32, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- It is unusable. – Sca (talk) 17:19, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Could be used in a "try-and-guess-what-this-is" pub-quiz round? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Ship blocking a waterway viewed from space might've been my first guess. But without a Neuralyzer we'll never know. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:31, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Could be used in a "try-and-guess-what-this-is" pub-quiz round? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:26, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- It is unusable. – Sca (talk) 17:19, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support for being in the news. Better to use the infobox picture at Ever Given though. Einsof (talk) 17:05, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- This one
File:Ever Given container ship.jpgalso available at Commons. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:08, 24 March 2021 (UTC) ... but it's a different ship, with the same name...
- This one
- Support
Oppose for now. The update is too short (people clicking want to read into it), and until stated in the article I'm going to assume it has a limited impact.Uses x (talk) 17:10, 24 March 2021 (UTC)- The update has been expanded, but it appears this won't have a major impact if it's resolved. Multiple sources are trying to WP:CRYSTALBALL this, while right now there appears to be very little impact. We can wait until then to see. Uses x (talk) 15:44, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- It's looking more likely that this will go on for weeks, so I've changed to support. It's a good story, it's certainly in the news, the article is fine, and even if a lot of the damage can be mitigated with existing stocks and sourcing goods from elsewhere, what damage there will be is still huge. Uses x (talk) 16:08, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
WaitReading the CNN article, it is a matter if it takes too long to dislodge it that it might impact oil shipping which will impact prices. Otherwise, the way its being discussed, its an inconvenienced to a lot of people but no one's lives are threatened yet. --Masem (t) 17:12, 24 March 2021 (UTC)- Also there is an aspect of WP:BLP1E here to the ship article, even though its not a BLP. If the only thing it is really noted for is that it blocked the canal, it really doesn't need a separate article, it should be a section in the canal's article (and that's if this is a significant event in the first place per NEVENT). Again, NOT#NEWS and all that. --Masem (t) 17:14, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Changing to Support in that it is clear this won't be done in a few days. They have to remove the cargo and whether that can be done in days or weeks is of a question, but its already starting to hit financial markets. But it was appropriate to wait to make sure it was a long-term problem. --Masem (t) 14:06, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Wait – Several reports indicated the Ever Given was in the process of being refloated/moved. [5] [6] – Sca (talk) 17:16, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- "BSM, the company that manages the ship, denied earlier reports that the vessel had been partially refloated." [7] Martinevans123 (talk) 17:21, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- It could be blocked only a few days, how long is the average leg? Asia to Europe? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:27, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment is it also not the case that an older channel is in use for shipping now, albeit temporarily, so the impact is significantly lessened? The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 17:29, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- I hear they're planning to pump millions of gallons of castor oil into the canal at its southern end. – Sca (talk) 17:30, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Article says this is a rare monochannel section. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 17:32, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Yes: "Although there is an older section of the canal which could have helped bypass an obstruction, this particular incident happened in a section of the canal with only one channel." Martinevans123 (talk) 18:52, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support
if and only if the blurb mentions the dick pic --LaserLegs (talk) 17:55, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- The new standalone article is fine, the economic impact is real, the item is in the news. --LaserLegs (talk) 11:53, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
Wait I'd like to see the wider ramifications of this incident. If it gets resolved quickly with no issues other than some minor shipping delays, then I would oppose posting. Mlb96 (talk) 18:00, 24 March 2021 (UTC)Post-posting support This clearly isn't going to be resolved soon and has already disrupted billions of dollars in commerce. Clearly notable enough to be posted. Mlb96 (talk) 18:12, 25 March 2021 (UTC)- Wait. (edit conflict) If the canal is blocked for long enough that ships start going the long way around Africa, this is a major event. If it's cleared in a few days it's a minor inconvenience to a few logistics companies. I suspect the latter is the more likely outcome, but let's wait a few days to see what happens (and to improve the article). Modest Genius talk 18:03, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose I was going to nominate this several hours ago, but thought otherwise given that this'll probably be a minor inconvenience at worst. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 18:04, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- AP quoted unnamed Egyptian official as saying refloating the ship would take at least two days. – Sca (talk) 18:47, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- That (days, rather than, say, months), combined with the reopening of the old channel, factors into my oppose. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:13, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Well, note the "at least" caveat. OTOH, when there's big money involved.... – Sca (talk) 21:59, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Um, "reopening of the old channel"? It's not stuck in that part. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- The reopening of that part means the canal's not completely blocked (merely delayed/sludged), so the significance is reduced. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 22:47, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- "On Saturday, Adm Mameesh also revealed plans to build another canal near East Port Said on the Mediterranean Sea. It is expected to cost around $60m and will be 9.5km (6 miles) long, Reuters reports." [8] That might take a while? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:39, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- The reopening of that part means the canal's not completely blocked (merely delayed/sludged), so the significance is reduced. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 22:47, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- That (days, rather than, say, months), combined with the reopening of the old channel, factors into my oppose. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 20:13, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- AP quoted unnamed Egyptian official as saying refloating the ship would take at least two days. – Sca (talk) 18:47, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Weak support not the most interesting event since it's apparently already resolved (per Reuters source in nom) but it's an international incident and it's in the news. Banedon (talk) 01:25, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- It is not resolved (see this sequence of recent updates) and I have removed the Reuters source that incorrectly stated that it was. Einsof (talk) 11:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support pending article improvement. The incident is widely reported, and it links to a very nice article here. However, the Timeline section of the article is orange tagged, and must be resolved before appearing on the Front Page. The update is suitable a well referenced. I have edited the nomination to point to the proper section of the Suez Canal article.130.233.213.199 (talk) 06:19, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support - ship article really needs a description section, but is otherwise good to go. Mjroots (talk) 11:37, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. There is now an article about this specific incident: March 2021 Suez Canal obstruction. 331dot (talk) 11:40, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment there is no "old channel" the ship is wedged in the south end and check out the traffic jam [9] --LaserLegs (talk) 11:45, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Exactly. There is an old channel, along one section, but it's further north. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:58, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support (Alt1) – No progress. Coverage indicates the gargantuan vessel may remain stuck for weeks, as it may not be refloated/moved until containers are unloaded and other things weighing it down removed. [10] [11] [12] Lloyds estimates $9B worth of delays daily. [13] In terms of news, it's a great story (and one that doesn't depend on fatalities). – Sca (talk) 13:43, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Especially now we have the "dick pic" angle for the blurb, of course.[FBDB] Martinevans123 (talk) 14:03, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Aber natürlich. – Sca (talk) 16:25, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- So, do we get to use that image of the "world's biggest wedgie"? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:01, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Aber natürlich. – Sca (talk) 16:25, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support — We need to be sure to link to the article on this incident. Some have pointed out that the article is nothing more than a stub, but it has been much improved since last night. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 14:12, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment There's a lot of incorrect and uncited information being added, so it's not ready yet. I'm working through it. For example on 2021 Suez Canal obstruction it's stated it is "is also expected to send oil and gas prices soaring according to several experts", but when you click on the citation it's attributed to other reasons (i.e. investors overreacting), and that "a few days of slowdown in [oil] delivery is not critical to the market". Plenty of things like that Uses x (talk) 15:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Done. Uses x (talk) 15:48, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: While it is making news right now, we don't know if this is just going to be like the MSC Fabiola (where, just like now, a container ship ran aground and the canal was basically closed off for a few days), where the incident is eventually deemed not notable to the point that it's just one line on the ship's article. Y'know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, the article's good, I think it's newsworthy, but at the same time, what if this thing's resolved by tomorrow morning, and everyone just drops it and forgets what an Ever Given is? If this thing takes a while, I'm moving to full support, but for now, I dunno, it might not be much. AdoTang (talk) 15:34, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support when quality is there, linking to 2021 Suez Canal obstruction. The New York Times just published a headline reading "Giant Ship Blocking Suez Canal Could Take ‘Days, Even Weeks’ to Free," so it seems unlikely that this will be fixed shortly. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 16:07, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment come on, come on, someone just post this. The Rambling Man (Stay alert! Control the virus! Save lives!!!!) 16:09, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Roll 'em. – Sca (talk) 16:48, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted ALT1 Most of the opposition was like mine the other day, from the lack of a dedicated article. Now that that's sorted, let's get this news up. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:52, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- It's stuck. Count Iblis (talk) 21:56, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: Ever Given has been released from the canal after 6 days.[14] Advise update to blurb. --Osunpokeh (talk) 04:01, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Osunpokeh:: The Wikipedia article has not been updated correctly yet. You'll need to fix that before we can change the blurb. --Jayron32 11:50, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- It's also not actually freed. Per [15] they have only dislodged the stern, the bow remains stuck fast to the bank. --Jayron32 11:52, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
I hear not all the trafficked children ordered by Hilary Clinton have been unloaded yet. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:59, 29 March 2021 (UTC)- See Poe's law, for the record. BLP-violating jests should probably be kept out of threads such as this. --Jayron32 15:21, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- Updated blurb. Okay, it looks like developments in the past hour or so have freed the ship, and the article has been properly updated. I have made some tweaks to the blurb per these new developments. --Jayron32 15:21, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- It's also not actually freed. Per [15] they have only dislodged the stern, the bow remains stuck fast to the bank. --Jayron32 11:52, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
- @Osunpokeh:: The Wikipedia article has not been updated correctly yet. You'll need to fix that before we can change the blurb. --Jayron32 11:50, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
RD: Hamdan bin Rashid Al Maktoum
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Khaleej Times
Credits:
- Nominated by Sherenk1 (talk · give credit)
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Deputy Ruler of Dubai and Minister of Finance. Sourcing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 06:51, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - article is missing citations in several parts. TJMSmith (talk) 13:32, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose - Article requires citations in many places and is a little short. SolarTheSunGod (talk) 21:28, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
(Posted) RD: George Segal
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:
- Nominated by UncomfortablySmug (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Baseballtom (talk · give credit) and Bloom6132 (talk · give credit)
Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Comedic actor and musician. Played Pops on The Goldbergs. UncomfortablySmug (talk) 01:04, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support Article appears to be in good shape. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 01:20, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Oppose– filmography, discography, and awards and nominations sections are unsourced. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:08, 24 March 2021 (UTC)- Support list sections could use some work but the prose is decently-well sourced and honestly those lists are a bit of a mess to source anyway due to the nature of their information. Elli (talk | contribs) 08:41, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- The entire article has to meet the minimum ITN standards, not just the prose. —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:08, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Opposeseveral sections contain info missing citations. TJMSmith (talk) 13:30, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Striking oppose per recent updates. TJMSmith (talk) 04:56, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support well known actor for many many years. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 20:46, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Oppose While filmography, discography, awards remain uncited JW 1961 Talk 12:57, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- striking oppose and adding Support for the improvements made today JW 1961 Talk 18:16, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support The article has been improved and source-up to the point its good enough to post. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:52, 25 March 2021 (UTC)
- Support now that the filmography section is adequately sourced.--Tdl1060 (talk) 00:13, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
- Posted to RD. SpencerT•C 00:45, 27 March 2021 (UTC)
(Withdrawn) Cabinet of Joe Biden
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Blurb: Cabinet of Joe Biden completed with the swearing in of Marty Walsh as Secretary of Labor. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Marty Walsh sworn in as United States Secretary of Labor, completing the Cabinet of Joe Biden.
News source(s): link1 link2 link3
Credits:
- Nominated by Dmoore5556 (talk · give credit)
- Created by Fulserish (talk · give credit)
- Updated by Therequiembellishere (talk · give credit), Edouard2 (talk · give credit) and Marius1603 (talk · give credit)
- Oppose. Routine government activities. There is a small amount of significance in that Biden is the first president since Reagan to have all his cabinet positions filled on the first try(Neera Tanden was a cabinet-level nomination, not the cabinet itself), but that would only be significant if this was USApedia, which it isn't. 331dot (talk) 06:18, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Dmoore5556 Your nominations are appreciated- I would gently suggest that you keep in mind that this is a global website and perhaps consider if you would make the nomination if it was related to a different country(like UK/French/Equatorial Guinea government ministries). Thanks 331dot (talk) 06:23, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Appreciate the credit, but this doesn't merit the main page. Therequiembellishere (talk) 06:35, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose Routine government stuff. Uses x (talk) 06:58, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
- Withdrawn Dmoore5556 (talk) 07:32, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
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