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TB-303?

Is it true that a Roland TB-303 was used for the A# note being played throughout the song? SquareShot97 03:19, 26 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Musical inspiration for Ray of Light

Wish For Eden's song "Don't Know" which was released several years before Ray Of Light features a 'shockingly' similar song arrangement, both in terms of tempo, note progressions, etc. (see [1] ). William Orbit appears to be responsible for the Madonna arrangement but it's not clear where his inspiration came from for this track.

The bible says that there's nothing new under the sun, so it could be a amazing coincidence ( but I'm a doubting Thomas on this one).

Danielebush 21:19, 22 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Release dates for Ray of Light

It wasn't released in april, the correct release dates are: Europe: May 21, 1998 / Japan: May 29, 1998 / USA: June 23, 1998 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.33.222.192 (talk) 19:31, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the song

I found this posted in a forum:

"Sepheryn was written by CLIVE Muldoon and Dave Curtiss (Curtiss Muldoon was the name they recorded it under, as a duo). It was later re-written by Muldoon's niece, Christine Leach, who re-titled it Ray of Light. After he and Madonna bought the rights to the track, William Orbit...erm, did whatever William Orbit does...then Madge did a bit of an overhaul on the lyrics to turn it into the song we know today. Phew. That's why all five are credited as co-writers." - littleoldme

Can someone who has authoritative knowledge substantiate this and add it to the article? I think it is relevant and interesting. 90.184.25.59 (talk) 19:24, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone made a similar post on the youtube page for the Curtiss Maldoon version, saying that Leach had performend it in London, before the Madonna version. The poster says "Check out Christine Leach's and David Atkins websites", but I can find no such sites. Meowy 00:19, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Christine Leach version is mentioned here. http://www.purplerecords.net/sepheryn/sepheryn.htm Then, in 1997 their song "Sepheryn" was re-recorded by Christine Leach, Clive's niece. Christine worked for a time with Madonna's creative co-worker, William Orbit. "I had always loved Dave and Clive's work. "Sepheryn" had a dream-like quality to it; that's how I always heard it - as a dream. I rewrote the chorus melody, removed a few bits - it was a kind of jam, really." Madonna heard Christine's reworked "Sepheryn", and raved about it. The rest is history. (The bit in quotations are the words of Christine Leach, not William Orbit). It is a record company website, so I think it would be suitable as a source. Meowy 01:38, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. Thanks for the update Meowy. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Genre

Dance music is not a genre. The composition section says "An electronic dance song,..." - surely that means it is from the electronic dance music genre? Furthermore, the citation used to verify this (O'Brien 2008) is missing (need a bibliography section). Adabow (talk) 19:17, 15 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

She indeed said that and the citation is verifiable. I will add the bibliography for it. Thanks for notifying and it should be EDM. —Indian:BIO · ^{[ ChitChat ]} 04:23, 16 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Quoting the electronic dance music article you cited: "Electronic dance music (also known as EDM, dance music, club music, or simply dance)". Arguably "dance music" is a genre, as "EDM" is often (or mainly) referred to simply as "dance music", especially in the UK. ▫ Urbane Legend ^chinwag 01:14, 20 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong, EDM isn't a genre. It's an umbrella term for a bunch of genres within its general form of music. Dance music is so vague that you could consider Ragtime or Swing 20's music 'dance music' even if it relies on absolutely zero synthesizers, modern technologies, etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pentrazemine (talk • contribs) 19:51, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Why is EDM now being used as a genre. EDM isn't even a genre.

Discogs always has the right genres except Wiki, unsurprisingly. The song is pretty much dance-pop: it's popular music with danceable beats stripped from various 'genres'. That doesn't make it 'EDM' though as there's no all-encompassing sound for 'EDM'. It would be equivalent to going to a Pink Floyd song and just labeling it 'Rock' because it's sound is both Progressive Rock and Hard Rock. The genre should be included in - EDM is NOT a genre and it's way too broad as such. The song is a hybrid of Pop and House at best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pentrazemine (talk • contribs) 19:49, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]