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I don't know how to set "answered" to NO to reactivate the request. Would someone please do that for me, please? As I have said above, I came to this Wikipedia article to find out who was running as a Green candidate. If Schlakman is the only one (I do not know if this is so.) then he is thereby noteworthy. Greens should know of this void. If there is MORE than one choice, then Greens, who would be voting in the primary, should be aware of this. Likewise all Green-leaning voters should be able to find this out here. [[Special:Contributions/2604:2000:F64D:FC00:9BB:CF8D:AA94:83CB|2604:2000:F64D:FC00:9BB:CF8D:AA94:83CB]] ([[User talk:2604:2000:F64D:FC00:9BB:CF8D:AA94:83CB|talk]]) 02:20, 11 February 2019 (UTC) |
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Update of libertarian candidates
There are a couple missing declared libertarian candidates missing. Tekbredus (talk) 03:47, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Readability issue
This article is hard to scroll through on a mobile device, the polls and big images of non-candidates take up the majority of the space. They should be expandable. Tekbredus (talk) 03:54, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
- I thought there was consensus not to have those galleries. I support removing them. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:56, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
- Talk:United_States_presidential_election,_2020/Archive_6#Proposal:_Remove_all_photos_of_people_who_are_not_declared_candidates_from_the_article is consensus enough for me to remove these now. power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:58, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
Ty -tekbredus
The page when viewed from any device could include dropdown sections for each party instead of the current insanity that it is. This section should also include a table outlining all existing candidates rather than making choices to ignore a fact of this election. Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedia, not a speculative or persuasive source of future events. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.255.196.86 (talk) 23:18, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
Other candidate inclusion
After reading this section, it has come to my attention that Myself (William J Hurst (libertarian)) and Ryan Farber (democrat), with possibly a few other candidates, are considered as not "noteworthy" for inclusion, even if we are federally recognized candidates with active campaigns. Our candidacies are matters of provable fact on this topic specifically. Tekbredus (talk) 06:10, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
- Something being a fact doesn't make it noteworthy. I walked my dog this morning, but I'm not going to write a wikipedia article about it. Your candidacy is not noteworthy because it hasn't met the criteria for being noteworthy.Closeclouds (talk) 14:43, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
- There's a consensus that people who are not sufficiently notable to have a Wikipedia article shouldn't be included on this page. Is there coverage from at least two independent news sources of these candidacies? Your own website and FEC filings are not sufficient. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:55, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
- Agreed with Tekbredus here. One can make the argument that not all candidates that have declared and filed are notable enough to be relevant to the election. However, even if that is the case and is agreed upon, how can one argue that others that have barely expressed passing interest in running are more relevant to the election than actual, declared candidates? I propose that declared candidates should be considered at least as relevant to the election as others who have expressed passing interest. Dhalsim2 (talk) 20:34, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
I agree. I come to this Wikipedia article to find out about what candidates there are. Declared and filed sounds like a good enough reason to list candidates, PARTICULARLY when there are no other candidates in the ring for their party. I wanted specifically to know who's running for the Green Party, and there's NO ONE listed, although I find on this talk page that Ian Schlakman has declared and filed. Why not be accurate? If he's the only one (I do not know this to be so.) then Greens and those leaning Green should be made aware of that. The only one must be sufficiently noteworthy. 2604:2000:F64D:FC00:9BB:CF8D:AA94:83CB (talk) 02:14, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Remove Hillary Clinton
Clinton did not say she was thinking about running in 2020. All she said is that she wants to be president, and that she won't decide anything about 2020 until after the midterms (probably regarding whom to support in primaries) Prcc27 (talk) 18:27, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
- This should probably be discussed on Talk:Democratic Party presidential primaries, 2020 (that list is transcluded from the other page). It's not entirely clear to me how that should be handled. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:33, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
- One of her top aides has stated in the press she will be a candidate.104.169.18.0 (talk) 18:23, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
- Goodbye Hillary Clinton! Could you delete her from the election page? Please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:401:C400:357:512F:A7EC:822F:C41 (talk) 22:07, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
She should be back on the expressed interest side. She never declined anything. Your source is someone's opinion at the moment. Just because you people don't want her to run, doesn't mean she isn't considering it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjjd226 (talk • contribs) 15:55, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
Al Sharpton
Didn't Al Sharpton also express interest in a potential run for the Democratic Party? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.228.189 (talk) 03:39, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
- Not really. This was discussed recently at Talk:Democratic Party presidential primaries, 2020#Al Sharpton. Consensus is to list him as speculative, because there is not sufficient indication that he is interested in making a bid. He only stopped short of declining. — JFG talk 12:35, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Green Party
Jesse Ventura has announced he is interested in running, but as far as I know, nothing concrete has been announced yet. Not sure if it is worth the mention. Also, Jill Stein has announced she is out, and will likely not be a candidate in 2020. Daeseunglim (talk) 02:30, 28 November 2018 (UTC)
Although there have been several references floated with Jesse Ventura's name, in each one he has consistently said that the Green Party has expressed interest in him, but he's never given any indication that he has any interest in running. Those who are listing him are exhibiting wishful thinking, based on the references so far. I believe that he should be removed until something more concrete is announced. Dhalsim2 (talk) 19:41, 6 December 2018 (UTC)
Add Timeline Page
Could you please add a timeline page? Because there are Rebublican and Democratic candidates already. Could you add a timeline page? Please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:401:C400:357:512F:A7EC:822F:C41 (talk) 22:06, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Missing section
Hi,
The section here: [1], is totally missing. Something went wrong with the transclusion, but I don't know how to fix it.
Thanks, David O. Johnson (talk) 04:32, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
- Hey, I fixed the transclusion! Somebody kept erasing the necessary tags for some reason. Should be good if it stays as it is. - EditDude (talk) 21:08, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
- Awesome! Thanks again. David O. Johnson (talk) 22:16, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2018
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Add Ian Schlakman as a candidate declaring his candidacy, seeking the Green Party nomination. [1] 108.8.4.96 (talk) 06:48, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
- Schlakman doesn't have a Wikipedia page. If he can get one, then he can be added. Vote 4 DJH2036 (talk) 07:14, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
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I don't know how to set "answered" to NO to reactivate the request. Would someone please do that for me, please? As I have said above, I came to this Wikipedia article to find out who was running as a Green candidate. If Schlakman is the only one (I do not know if this is so.) then he is thereby noteworthy. Greens should know of this void. If there is MORE than one choice, then Greens, who would be voting in the primary, should be aware of this. Likewise all Green-leaning voters should be able to find this out here. 2604:2000:F64D:FC00:9BB:CF8D:AA94:83CB (talk) 02:20, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Minor complaint
Maybe we should put the polling for more likely candidates above the polling for less likely candidates. Dogblock (talk) 23:26, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Elizabeth Warren Announced she is Running
In December 31st 2018 Elizabeth Warren Declared herself as a candidate for The Presidency under the Democrat party Freedy 31 (talk) 02:09, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
- Not exactly; she announced she was forming an exploratory committee [2]. David O. Johnson (talk) 03:58, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Gallery for Publicly Expressed Interest/Formally Exploring candidates
Howdy--it seems a bit confusing that we gave a gallery to all the Republican candidates who have expressed an interest in running but only to those Democrats formally exploring. It might be a WP:WEIGHT issue and is also inconsistent. I do not want to take away the Republican gallery so I suggest adding a gallery for Democratic candidates who have publicly expressed interest, even if they are not formally exploring. I know that gallery will be massive (of course, it will shrink in the coming months) but it seems the right way to go. Thoughts? PrairieKid (talk) 23:46, 2 January 2019 (UTC)
- You are absolutely right about there being a WP:WEIGHT issue. I support your proposal, although I'd also be fine with removing the Republican gallery altogether if other people are strongly against a massive Democrat gallery. Prcc27 (talk) 01:35, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Jay Inslee
Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Jay Inlsee announced that he is formally exploring a candidacy for the 2020 election? --TwiliAlchemist (talk) 03:10, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
- Hello. The news reports were a bit confusing. It looks like The Atlantic just published an article saying "Look, Inslee might run!" and all the other sources went crazy. He is interested in running, even has a small PAC behind him but no, he is not formally exploring...yet. All of the articles pointed to the committee as his next natural step. He just has not taken it yet. PrairieKid (talk) 03:30, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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Add Elizabeth Warren to major declared democratic candidates Alebovic (talk) 18:06, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
- Not done Elizabeth Warren has started an exploratory committee but has not formally declared. It is kind of a fine line but she has not made a formal declaration to run. PrairieKid (talk) 18:16, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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Tulsi Gabbard announces that she is running for president- move her for Democrats with pending announcement HaysAnthony (talk) 01:22, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 04:58, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
McAfee
Hey, it looks like John McAfee is running again.
Baconheimian (talk) 14:17, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
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Constitutional eligibility
Am I correct in pointing out that Michael E. Arth is constitutionally ineligible for the presidency, given that he was born in the UK? I thought the Constitution insisted that the President be a ‘natural born citizen of the United States’? I'm not proposing that we remove him, but shouldn't it be stated that he is constitutionally ineligible? Now that I think about it, is Tulsi Gabbard also possibly ineligible? She was born in American Samoa, I believe, which is not a US state, but is, in some fashion, part of the United States. I understand this is a perennial and highly contentious issue, I remember Trump calling into question Ted Cruz's eligibility, given that Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.133.29.78 (talk) 18:29, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
- Arth was born on a US air base in the UK, and both his parents were US citizens. I believe this kind of thing has come up with regard to past candidates, and the feeling was that such people are natural born US citizens. (P.S. Yes - John McCain was born in the Canal Zone to US parents, and was determined to be eligible to become president.) Likewise, a person born in Samoa or Puerto Rico or other American dependencies is a natural born US citizen. There is a feeling out there, which I believe is incorrect, that "natural born" means born in an actual state of the U.S. My understanding is that it means you were a US citizen at birth; you did not have to become naturalized or take some other step to become a US citizen. [3] -- MelanieN (talk) 18:35, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
- Indeed, the website www.electoral-vote.com (run by two professors and specific for US federal elections) had a good article explaining this very question a few days ago: https://www.electoral-vote.com//evp2019/Pres/Maps/Jan14.html#item-8 -- fdewaele, 15 January 2019, 19:43 CET.
Fair enough, I was just inquiring. No doubt it’ll become an issue again, American politics being what it is. I think it would still be worth a cursory mention in the article about what the Constitution says (or rather what different intrepreatations of the Constitution say) about the exact rules of eligibility and how it has frequently been contentious (Cruz, Rubio, Jindal, McCain, Goldwater, certainly with Obama, etc.). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.133.29.78 (talk) 18:42, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
- OK, let’s stay reality-based here. Rubio was born in Miami, in the state of Florida; there is no controversy about him. Jindal was born in Baton Rouge, in the state of Louisiana; there is no controversy about him. There was no legitimate controversy about Obama, who was born in Honolulu in the state of Hawaii. There was some discussion about McCain and Goldwater, but they meet the criteria even though they were not born in one of the 50 states; they were born in US jurisdiction and both parents were American, so they were American citizens at birth. There was and is legitimate uncertainty about Cruz, who was born in a foreign country with only one American parent. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:12, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the link, fdewaele, that's very helpful. It cites Supreme Court decision, 1898, United States v. Wong Kim Ark. Result: The Court ruled that anyone born in the U.S., and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, is automatically granted citizenship and is thus a natural-born citizen. They also say Cruz was a natural borh citizen because "Almost everyone born to an American citizen parent outside the U.S. proper is a citizen at birth." -- MelanieN (talk) 20:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
- There are also some additional rules for when one is born abroad and only one parent is a US citizen: see the website of the State Department: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Acquisition-US-Citizenship-Child-Born-Abroad.html -- fdewaele, 16 January 2019, 10:00 CET.
- Thanks for the link, fdewaele, that's very helpful. It cites Supreme Court decision, 1898, United States v. Wong Kim Ark. Result: The Court ruled that anyone born in the U.S., and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, is automatically granted citizenship and is thus a natural-born citizen. They also say Cruz was a natural borh citizen because "Almost everyone born to an American citizen parent outside the U.S. proper is a citizen at birth." -- MelanieN (talk) 20:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
- As mentioned in Michael E. Arth, Arth's autobiography on his web site states that he was born in England to two U.S. citizen parents, thus qualifying him as a U.S. citizen from birth. While being born in American Samoa doesn't automatically convey U.S. citizenship -- some people born there are U.S. nationals but not citizens -- that does not appear to be a concern for Tulsi Gabbard, because according to the articles on herself and her father Mike Gabbard, both her parents were U.S. citizens at the time she was born. As long as either of her parents had been continuously present in the U.S., its possessions, or American Samoa, for at least one continuous year any time before she was born, she's a U.S. citizen from birth. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 19:22, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
- We should not engage in WP:OR about the eligibility of candidates. If WP:RSs mention them then we include them. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 21:03, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Tulsi Gabbard
Please move Tulsi Gabbard to the declared section. She has announced her campaign. I do recall her saying she will have an official announcement, however, I do not see any sources that have a scheduled announcement for January 19.[1]Political Geek (talk) 19:18, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
References
- There's a discussion on Talk:2020 Democratic Party presidential primaries about this; the content here is transcluded from that page. power~enwiki (π, ν) 19:25, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Who removed Jimmy Dore from her endorsements and why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.162.228.189 (talk) 19:11, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Declared candidates
Eyes are needed at the BLPs of recently declared candidates, please. -- Scjessey (talk) 13:43, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Cardi B ??
I think we can remove Cardi B from "Independent or unaffiliated" since she will be 28 years old in 2020 and a candidate must be 35 to be eligible for the Presidency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.231.171.38 (talk) 11:44, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
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Add Kamala Harris to declared candidates for Democrats https://abc7chicago.com/politics/kamala-harris-2020-california-senator-is-running/5099105/ https://twitter.com/KamalaHarris/status/1087327713277460481 72.71.237.138 (talk) 12:45, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
- Already done Bradv🍁 04:09, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
Howard Schultz
I think that Schultz should be elevated to a higher mention, than Akon And Cuban. He has actually said that he is running for President as an independent and has started a speaking tour. HAL333 23:50, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
Confused and lost about formatting
Howdy all. I am super confused about what is happening with the formatting in the nominations. I have spent like 30 minutes trying different things and nothing has worked. I know it started with this edit. I have no idea what is causing the problem but it does seem urgent as it is having serious affects on the article. It has been up for a day and a half which means thousands of people have probably looked at the article in this state. Can someone please come take a look at it? PrairieKid (talk) 01:15, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
- Oh my god, I figured it out. It was an issue with the primary page, not the main one. There goes 20 minutes (or more) of my life and a ton of frustration. So happy to have gotten it. So, disregard this. PrairieKid (talk) 01:18, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Here is the link for the broken link 19 under Weld
Can a mod use that for link 19 under Weld's 15 Feb. announcement to fix the undefined link error? Thanks.129.246.254.12 (talk) 17:01, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Amy Klobuchar has announced. Could someone take her out of Pending, and put her in Running?
Amy Klobuchar has announced. Could someone take her out of Pending, and put her in Running? 2604:2000:F64D:FC00:2DA9:E336:2722:DAD4 (talk) 22:15, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- She's been added to that section already.David O. Johnson (talk) 22:18, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
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