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#We should remove "annual". There's no mechanism for dealing with cons that aren't annual.
#We should remove "annual". There's no mechanism for dealing with cons that aren't annual.
#Limiting this category to active cons means we either have to do the same for the other "in [place]" cats, or we need to create [[:Category:Defunct science fiction conventions by place]]. [[User:Fuddle|Fuddle]] ([[User talk:Fuddle|talk]]) 20:52, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
#Limiting this category to active cons means we either have to do the same for the other "in [place]" cats, or we need to create [[:Category:Defunct science fiction conventions by place]]. [[User:Fuddle|Fuddle]] ([[User talk:Fuddle|talk]]) 20:52, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
::@{{u|Fuddle}} I don't think active conventions need to be categorized on whether they are annual or not. An active convention is active whether they plan a convention to be bi-annual, annual, etc. So yes removing annual makes a lot of sense.

I'm not opposed to creating defunct categories by location. My only issue with it is if a certain location only has 1 or 2 defunct conventions. We could then broaden the defunct categories but then we wouldn't have the active categories to match. [[User:Gameinfirmary|<span style="color: red; font-family: Arial Black;">GameInfirmary</span>]] [[User Talk:Gameinfirmary|<span style="color: black; font-family: Arial Black;">Talk</span>]] 01:22, 30 August 2018 (UTC)


== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saint Dismas Prison Ministry (2nd nomination)]] ==
== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saint Dismas Prison Ministry (2nd nomination)]] ==

Revision as of 01:22, 30 August 2018

I think Category:Defunct science fiction conventions and Category:Science fiction media conventions are both applicable because they are both subcategories of Category:Science fiction conventions. They're not broader/narrower of each other. Fuddle (talk) 17:43, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Fuddle The train of thought is that we have a clear divide of what conventions are defunct and which are ongoing. I didn't want to mix defunct cons with the active ones. That said, I understand if you and others feel conventions should still be in the other categories especially notable conventions. GameInfirmary Talk 18:08, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If we wanted to do that (maybe?), then there should be Category:Defunct science fiction media conventions. Fuddle (talk) 20:22, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Fuddle We could create that category. I believe there were 3 or 4 that are defunct from the science fiction media. I'm not sure if that would be too small for it's own category though. GameInfirmary Talk 20:58, 7 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There are only 19 total, so a subcat might be WP:OVERCAT.
@Fuddle Yeah, there are at least two points that would make it overcat. I guess IT can be left as is or move the ones back into the science fiction media category. Id' have to go back and check which others belong if that is the way we decide to go. GameInfirmary Talk 11:30, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I added Category:Defunct events to Category:Defunct science fiction conventions which aligns things a little better.
@Fuddle That is fantastic! I added Category:Defunct comics conventions and Category:Defunct gaming conventions as well. I'm going to be on vacation until Monday and have limited internet access until then. I definitely want to continue to work on things if you see anything else that should be done. GameInfirmary Talk 01:36, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Enjoy. We can continue on Monday. Fuddle (talk) 01:40, 9 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
After looking at the category trees, I think we should nominate Category:Science fiction media conventions for deletion. There isn't an article with that title. 'Media' means 'not books', I guess. Not really defining. Fuddle (talk) 20:27, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Fuddle That makes the most sense. The only other thing I could l think about would be renaming the category. Multimedia conventions is a possibility but there isn't a page for that either. GameInfirmary Talk 12:27, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OK. I'll take a stab at deleting it.

Our logjam has cleared. Categories have been moved and/or renamed. Moving on:

  1. We should remove "annual". There's no mechanism for dealing with cons that aren't annual.
  2. Limiting this category to active cons means we either have to do the same for the other "in [place]" cats, or we need to create Category:Defunct science fiction conventions by place. Fuddle (talk) 20:52, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Fuddle I don't think active conventions need to be categorized on whether they are annual or not. An active convention is active whether they plan a convention to be bi-annual, annual, etc. So yes removing annual makes a lot of sense.

I'm not opposed to creating defunct categories by location. My only issue with it is if a certain location only has 1 or 2 defunct conventions. We could then broaden the defunct categories but then we wouldn't have the active categories to match. GameInfirmary Talk 01:22, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for listing the above AfD. I apologise if this seems like canvassing, as that is not my intention, but the arguments at this AfD are hanging on the proper interpretation of WP:ORG. So I'm wondering if you would add it to the organizations list also? I don't know how, and by all means if you feel this is improper, just ignore it. Thanks. John from Idegon (talk) 17:55, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@John from Idegon It looks like it is already listed in the organizations listing. I personally missed it and should have put it there. Luckily, someone else put it up in organizations. GameInfirmary Talk 18:28, 8 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]