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The result was '''speedy keep'''. Sorry but this is a BS nomination, disregarding any [[WP:PAG]] and it is extraordinarily [[WP:POINT]]y. <small>[[Wikipedia:NACD|(non-admin closure)]]</small> <span style="background-color:#cee">[[User:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#066;font-family:Symbol">w</span><span style="color:#066;font-family:Segoe Script">umbolo</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Wumbolo|<span style="color:#37C;font-family:webdings">^^^</span>]] 23:10, 4 August 2018 (UTC) |
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It's unclear to me how this stub BLP existed before a few days ago since [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Jeong&oldid=819369231 this] is how it looked. If you follow the news, then you know why this article has received attention in the past few days. Since then, every agenda-pushing person has come to the talkpage to push their own point of view there. The article was fully locked and since then, interminable discussions have ensued on the talk page, with seeming nothing getting done. This person, according to [[WP:BLP1E]] should not have an article, especially since in this particular case, the 1E part is carefully left out of the article. At best, Wikipedia looks like it implies that this is notable enough to deserve an article ''but completely ignores the main point why anybody has heard of this person''. There are already articles where a LP has said far less that this person and Wikipedia implies those people are nutjobs, while here, it pretends this person is an upstanding citizen. Since some people think the article should be frozen for two weeks, it seems like nuking/drafting it, then coming back in two weeks will at least not give the impression that Wikipedia sides with the side that thinks "nothing happened and everything should be swept under the rug". [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 22:17, 4 August 2018 (UTC) |
It's unclear to me how this stub BLP existed before a few days ago since [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sarah_Jeong&oldid=819369231 this] is how it looked. If you follow the news, then you know why this article has received attention in the past few days. Since then, every agenda-pushing person has come to the talkpage to push their own point of view there. The article was fully locked and since then, interminable discussions have ensued on the talk page, with seeming nothing getting done. This person, according to [[WP:BLP1E]] should not have an article, especially since in this particular case, the 1E part is carefully left out of the article. At best, Wikipedia looks like it implies that this is notable enough to deserve an article ''but completely ignores the main point why anybody has heard of this person''. There are already articles where a LP has said far less that this person and Wikipedia implies those people are nutjobs, while here, it pretends this person is an upstanding citizen. Since some people think the article should be frozen for two weeks, it seems like nuking/drafting it, then coming back in two weeks will at least not give the impression that Wikipedia sides with the side that thinks "nothing happened and everything should be swept under the rug". [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 22:17, 4 August 2018 (UTC) |
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:An involved non-admin editor closed this fully protected article without allowing for any discussion to happen. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 11:48 am |
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* '''Keep'''. This is bad and you should feel bad. A clearly retaliatory AFD with specious reasoning. A member of the editorial board of the paper of record of the United States with a long history of previous journalism should not have an article? If you are not serious, you should be topic banned for trolling, if you are, you should be banned per [[WP:COMPETENCE]]. [[User:Gamaliel|<span style="color:DarkGreen;">Gamaliel</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Gamaliel|<span style="color:DarkGreen;">talk</span>]])</small> 22:29, 4 August 2018 (UTC) |
* '''Keep'''. This is bad and you should feel bad. A clearly retaliatory AFD with specious reasoning. A member of the editorial board of the paper of record of the United States with a long history of previous journalism should not have an article? If you are not serious, you should be topic banned for trolling, if you are, you should be banned per [[WP:COMPETENCE]]. [[User:Gamaliel|<span style="color:DarkGreen;">Gamaliel</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Gamaliel|<span style="color:DarkGreen;">talk</span>]])</small> 22:29, 4 August 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep.''' Speedy keep, even. She clearly meets notability requirements, and talk page drama is not a reason to delete an article. This AFD feels pretty disingenuous, to be honest. Cheers, [[User:Dawn Bard|Dawn Bard]] ([[User talk:Dawn Bard|talk]]) 22:32, 4 August 2018 (UTC) |
*'''Keep.''' Speedy keep, even. She clearly meets notability requirements, and talk page drama is not a reason to delete an article. This AFD feels pretty disingenuous, to be honest. Cheers, [[User:Dawn Bard|Dawn Bard]] ([[User talk:Dawn Bard|talk]]) 22:32, 4 August 2018 (UTC) |
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{{ping|Ikjbagl}} You probably wanted to leave your comment here. [[User:Nergaal|Nergaal]] ([[User talk:Nergaal|talk]]) 08:44, 5 August 2018 (UTC) |
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It's unclear to me how this stub BLP existed before a few days ago since this is how it looked. If you follow the news, then you know why this article has received attention in the past few days. Since then, every agenda-pushing person has come to the talkpage to push their own point of view there. The article was fully locked and since then, interminable discussions have ensued on the talk page, with seeming nothing getting done. This person, according to WP:BLP1E should not have an article, especially since in this particular case, the 1E part is carefully left out of the article. At best, Wikipedia looks like it implies that this is notable enough to deserve an article but completely ignores the main point why anybody has heard of this person. There are already articles where a LP has said far less that this person and Wikipedia implies those people are nutjobs, while here, it pretends this person is an upstanding citizen. Since some people think the article should be frozen for two weeks, it seems like nuking/drafting it, then coming back in two weeks will at least not give the impression that Wikipedia sides with the side that thinks "nothing happened and everything should be swept under the rug". Nergaal (talk) 22:17, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- An involved non-admin editor closed this fully protected article without allowing for any discussion to happen. Nergaal (talk) 11:48 am
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2018 August 4. —cyberbot ITalk to my owner:Online 22:24, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep She passes WP:GNG clearly. Your bias against her is not a reason to delete her article. You can't delete any article you don't like. JC7V-constructive zone 22:19, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Nah, it's Wikipedia's bias against/for people with certain opinions. This joke of a stub that does not pass BLP1E, together with the drama on the talkpage blatantly enforces that bias. Nergaal (talk) 22:28, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- She gets enough secondary coverage to meet WP:GNG. She is mentioned by many different outlets and she has a hook to her. Article length is no reason to delete as many articles that meet WP:GNG are way shorter than this article. JC7V-constructive zone 22:30, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Nah, it's Wikipedia's bias against/for people with certain opinions. This joke of a stub that does not pass BLP1E, together with the drama on the talkpage blatantly enforces that bias. Nergaal (talk) 22:28, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. This is bad and you should feel bad. A clearly retaliatory AFD with specious reasoning. A member of the editorial board of the paper of record of the United States with a long history of previous journalism should not have an article? If you are not serious, you should be topic banned for trolling, if you are, you should be banned per WP:COMPETENCE. Gamaliel (talk) 22:29, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. Speedy keep, even. She clearly meets notability requirements, and talk page drama is not a reason to delete an article. This AFD feels pretty disingenuous, to be honest. Cheers, Dawn Bard (talk) 22:32, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
@Ikjbagl: You probably wanted to leave your comment here. Nergaal (talk) 08:44, 5 August 2018 (UTC)