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YGM ;^)

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Ban Mr.T99

Can you please ban Mr.T99? He is vandalizing his own talk page? Adding swear words on it. Please ban Mr.T99! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PriceisRight98 (talk • contribs)

PiR98 ooks like a sock of Mr.T99 to me. --CFIF ☎ [[Special:Contribution--Somedude101 23:21, 26 October 2006 (UTC)s/CFIF|⋐]] 20:09, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar

I think the headline says enough! :) --CFIF ☎ ⋐ 20:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Another DB/Spotteddogs sock

A Coin Off Rims (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has been reverting my recent edits, calling them minor. Also, look at my talk page history and there is an IP there that claims they are Displaced Brit. --CFIF ☎ ⋐ 02:08, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

• The user name seems to be an anagram for "CFIF is a moron" which makes it a blatant attack. TV Newser Tipline 15:19, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

User:Olaf1974

Thanks for the welcome! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Olaf1974 (talk • contribs) 07:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:Admin coaching

It's supposed to be ;) I didn't realise that a few extra coaches had signed up since I last looked (think only new requests appeared on my watchlist). Thanks for prodding me, I've sent out a few of my standard pings to requests at the top of the list to see if they want coaching, so I'll assign them coaches (including yourself) asap. I've been pretty busy recently so that's why I haven't been paying quite as close attention to the AC page as before. Cheers, Petros471 20:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay... your new trainee: Ginkgo100. Fellow coach: Steel359. As usual let me know if you have any q's etc. Petros471 20:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Taichung entry

Firsfron: Thank you for coming to make a contribution to the Taichung page. I am trying to do a complete overhaul of the page to bring it up to to WikiProjects City standards. It is a time consuming process. Unfortunately, I have an unregistered user sabotaging my efforts by reintroducing unsourced and false information.

I have tried to intitiate discussion with him on the talk page, but as yet there is no response.

Your help would be appreciate.

== Ludahai (10/4/06 00:46 UTC/08:46 Taiwan time)

Firsfron: Thank you for your response. Another unregistered user has popped up and placed inaccurate information on the Taichung City page. Could we please place a partial block on editing allowing only registered users to edit the page. The only constructive work I have seen done on that page has been by registered users. thanks Ludahai 01:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC) Ludahai (10/5/06 01:09 UTC/09:09 Taiwan time)

The page is being altered again. It is vandalism because it is inserting information that is blatently false. Just as an example, the vandal consistently asserts that the city nickname is "Little Las Vegas" when the real nickname is "City of Culture." I live in this city and I have NEVER heard anyone call it "Little Las Vegas."

I have tried using the talk page on Taichung City. However, there has been no response. I will try the talk pages for those URLs, but I highly doubt that they will respond. Could we please try to protect the page in the meantime until they either register or respond? Thank you. Ludahai 10:56, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your action on the Taichung page. Hopefully, this will flesh out the culprits and force him/her/them to start a dialogue and explain themselves. Thank you. Ludahai 22:26, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

An update on the Taichung Page situation. The main vandal has not shown himself anywhere since the protection was put up. I am nearly complete with the content of the page, and will soon edit it to bring it up to WikiProject Cities standards. However, I am concerned that when the protection is lifted, the same person will come in and ruin all of the work I have done on the page.

Thanks. Ludahai 02:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

		The Original Barnstar
		For your help in guiding me on my early edits and dealing with the vandal problem Ludahai 02:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Donotsayno

I've filed an RfC against him if you are interested. --CFIF ☎ ⋐ 20:23, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Admin coaching

Hello, I see you have been assigned as one of my admin coaches. Thank you! I have created a subpage for discussion at User:Ginkgo100/Admin coaching. Please feel free to comment there. Cheers! --Ginkgo100 ^{talk · e@} 20:40, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Questions about user page and info boxes

Thanks for your help so far. I have three more questions.

1. I have started working on my userpage. Where is there a list of the boxes that you have on the right of your page? I would like to include relevant ones on mine.

2. How do you create an Infobox? I would like to make one for the TAIMUN conference pages I am working on.

3. How do you nominate someone for a barnstar?

Thanks.

Ludahai 12:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for all of your help. I hope you don't mind my borrowing a couple of ideas from your User Page. And, congrats on #18,000. A thousand in three days! Do you have a life?  :)

BTW, happy Mid Autumn Festival. Ludahai 13:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which finished with a tally of 66/11/5. I learned quite a bit during the process, and I expect to be learning a lot more in the days ahead. I will be taking things slowly (and doing a lot of re-reading), but I hope you will let me know if there is anything I can do to improve in my new capacity. -- Merope Talk 13:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

No problem

I had a feeling that you actually plan on getting this to featured status partly due to you listing it on WP:1FAPQ. So when I saw your peer review empty I rushed to throw out some notes. I'm sure because of that some of my comments aren't too clear. Anyway if you want I can do a copy-edit (rephrase some things) after you go through my notes. It was my pleasure doing the review if its means that this article will become better.

On another note, the most important of my comments is the article not following a timeline and the analysis. I don't think its wrong to give analysis but without a timeline it just makes the article look like an essay. Here is what I mean:

Bad: John went to Peter's House. John broke Peter's leg. Peter had to go to the hospital. Peter was mad because before he went to Johns house because Peter kissed his sister. John recovered.

Good: Peter was mad at John house because Peter kissed his sister. John went to Peter's House. John broke Peter's leg. Peter had to go to the hospital.

I hope you can understand what I mean by the above. I think analysis of something in a text should go right after its mentioned instead of it being scattered around. - Tutmosis 01:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Uh oh

I may have jumped the gun on Stegosaurus...not sure if this FAC will be doable. Any help much appreciated. Question is, how much embellishment is enough on scientific bits. cheers Cas Liber 03:13, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

thanks (man that was quick!)Cas Liber 03:20, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Just a bit busy here - it's 2PM on Saturday and I have to do some outsidey thingsCas Liber 03:56, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

You're a godsend. I was flagging and I felt at a bit of a dead end; the changes look good and the calculations about Pop. cult. length most timely. I was tempted to strike out the objections now addressed but I guess according to Wikietiquette he should get the chance to do it himself. cheers Cas Liber 08:56, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, well when Stego's passed I reckon Ankylosaurus can walk it in...... :)Cas Liber 09:57, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

File:Nuvola apps kfm home.png

Thank you for participating in my RfA, which passed with a tally of 91/1/4. I can't express how much it means to me to become an administrator. I'll work even more and harder to become useful for the community. If you need a helping hand, don't hesitate to contact me. NCurse work 15:30, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

How do I create a link?

I got your thing about my new article, Carnictis (Vile Meat-Weasel). And I'd like to thank you for the advice. But anyway, I need to know how to create a link so that I can link my page up with the King Kong(2005)Page.A7X 900 18:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Titus Alone

Hey, it seems you were the original editor of the Titus Awakes page. According to you, Peake's wife got 30000 pages into World Without End, her version of the book...

I was curious, do you happen to know of any way to see these 30000 pages? Was this information in one of the antecedent or ancilliary documents, essays, etc included in Titus Alone? I ask because I have not yet purchased or read Alone (I'm still on Gormenghast), but if these 30k pages are something I can get my hands on I definitely want to ASAP.--Mr Bucket 05:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Cool as a cucumber............

For Firsfron for taking up the slack on Stegosaurus
there's a bottle of champers on ice if it gets Featured Article..... :) Cas Liber 10:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Can you lend a hand please?

I feel like such a noob for asking this but here it goes, I need your help with my new page, Carnictis (Vile Meat-Weasel). I just need some more info on the creature and a picture of it as well. I promise this will be the last time I come to you for help, I don't want to be a pest.A7X 900 01:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Cheers!

		The Editor's Barnstar
		Thanks for helping to sweep up the road others litter with good intentions! And for generally keeping on top of things around the dino project, of course!Dinoguy2 00:31, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

American School in Taichung

Could we please get the page named Taichung American School changed to American School in Taichung? That is the correct name of the school. You can verify it on the external link I provided on that page. I am going to work on that article next week. Thanks. Ludahai 04:55, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Never mind. I figured out how to do it. Thanks Ludahai 05:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

You deleted a page which really didn't qualify for speedy deletion

I would appreciate if you could read the hangon tag and review the contents of the site before deleting. The following is the contents of the hangon tag that I had put up:

have been trying to put up information about WET, an opensource web testing tool. The criterea for speedy deletion of this page that was quoted in the morning was that it was a blatant advertisement for a product. The only external link that the page was pointing to was wet.qantom.org which is the home page for this opensource product. WET is a opensource product which is serving the community of software testers. Other than gratitude to the financial supporters of the product there is no commercial even in the web page. Apologies! but if adding content about an open source product is considered commercial, then wikipedia should consider using a non opensource product for its own content delivery.

I came back to it later in the day and am now trying to add the page again. This time I get an error that this Wiki page uses copyrighted material from http://wet.qantom.org. True that I copied the contents of this page entirely from the wet.qantom.org home page - but that page itself is not copyrighted. It is a opensource product and the contents are shared using a creative commons share-alike license.

I am at my wit's end now - whether to try to spend time to add more content or not. I dont want to keep adding an entry for WET and come back to only see that the content has been removed. I had put a hangon tag even in the morning. I do agree that strict measures are required to keep the spam out, but at the same time, I think that the editors who are responsible for deleting pages should atleast read the hangon tag contents, check the contents that seem to be in dispute and eventually notify the original author as to why they still think that the content is objectionable.

Just my few cents. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raghublr (talk • contribs)

I deleted the article because it was a copyright infringment. From the deletion log: 14:14, 12 October 2006 Firsfron (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "WetWebTester" (This article was created in the last 48 hours and all of its revisions are unquestionably copyright infringements taken from http://www.wet.qantom.org/home.html, with no assertion of permission. (CSD A8))

When I deleted the page, there was no hangon tag; this was added to the talk page at 14:15, after the article had already been deleted. You are free to recreate the article, as long as the material you add does not contain copywrited material from other web-sites without assertion of permission. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester 21:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Coelophysis

OK. First, sorry for the American instead of English (I was not sure). Secondo, can you explain a thing? Why do you (I mean you Anglosaxons) add the pronunciation scheme? If it is an aid to pronounce the Latin name, then the correct pronunciation is with the "Ch" of "cheese" (something such Cheh-low-PHY-sys I think). Anyway, I think if you use the Latin term you should pronounce it in the correct form. Let me know and good work!--Attilios 22:00, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

OK. This is English Wikipedia. But it can be used by people knowing English but who could be able to pronounce Latin correctly (German people can, for example). The aim of this Encyclopedia is to have an international view (see WP:Systemic bias). Anyway, it was not that my curiosity. I was simply wondering why many dinosaur entries have this support for pronunciation, if you pronounce it in the English way the same. Another question: we in Italy pronounce Anglosaxon words with their original pronunciation, not the Italian one: why you Anglosaxons (but that's also a problem with Frenchmen) do not do the same? Ciao!Attilios 22:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

OK: It's funny you consider a handicap in your language. I know that Germans are less passive about the question, and continuously striving for improve their language. Just a little last word: it can be no debate about the pronunciation of Coelophysis. You are citing me English sources. The matter is that scientific names of genera and species are written in Latin. Since I studied it, you should be sure that the Latin pronounce is the right one (e.g. "Cheh-low-FY-sis"), as long as you agree that this is a Latin word. The way English language people pronounce it... is another matter, it's their problem of uncapability to pronounce correctly other languages. I think that at a palaeontological international congress people should have problems in understanding what they are speaking of. Bye and good work. --Attilios 00:13, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Need your help to review

Hello,

I am new user and have been trying to write some article on the wikipedia. I started off by writing about WET, an opensource web testing tool. It got deleted more than once as I had apparently not followed certain Wiki Ethos. After looking through some of the guidelines, I have rewritten the complete article and have tried to follow the guidelines. I would like your help to review this article. I have put it up as a user sandbox page at User:Raghublr/Sandbox. If you could review it once and mark your comments in the page, I will make changes appropriately and add it as an article called Wet Web Tester. I am using the same sandbox user page's talk page as the communication media.

-- Best regards, Best regards, Raghu V 07:40, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Laurentdion

Talk page or email, whichever works best for you is okay for me (my email is enabled). As I told david, I showed on AN:I that not only has this user been here for some time, they have never touched an article, and fit the very definition of a disruptive single-purpose account. His requests are absurd; we cannot delete his username, nor can we delete every mention of him and his former article from the history of every page in which they have appeared. This user has made every indication that they have no intention whatsoever of ever being a good contributor. Therefore, I still see no reason to unblock. --InShaneee 20:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, comments like that do seem to show civility, and gave me real pause when I started looking into this. However, those were two months ago. As I showed on AN:I, Laurent's behavior became far more abusive following the deletion of his article, and began a period of disruption, followed by two weeks or so of abscence, then further disruption, for two months on into this week. It is impossible to delete his username (one of his requests). As to his request to remove his username itself, while yes, it would likely be a simple task, I do not see any wisdom in it. If someone came along one day and removed signatures from my talk archives stating 'right to vanish', I'd revert them right away. A record of his activities needs to be kept, especially considering his behavior, and so long as they remain, this user has given me every indication via email that they will continue to do 'whatever it takes' to get their way. I'm sorry, but this isn't someone who I see being a productive contributor at any point. --InShaneee 21:44, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Post mortem

Oh (expletives deleted) sod it - still, I can understand - something about the overall flow of the Stegosaurus page I was always a bit unhappy with. How long is a lockout period before re-requesting FAC? Cas Liber 00:25, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Later Jin Dynasty

There is a problem here. Currently, there is a redirect to send any entries that list Later Jin Dynasty to a page entitled Jin Dynasty. However, there is a Later Jin Dynasty that existed during the Five Dynasties period currently entitled Later Jin Dynasty (Five Dynasties). However, current formatting would make that page difficult to access directly, and there is little justification for the redirect page.

Could the redirect page be deleted so I can rename the existing Later Jin Dynasty page to be consistent with the other Five Dynasties pages? I have been expanding the existing stubs and will be adding pages for the other two dynasties for which there is no existing page.

Thanks. Ludahai 00:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Chubby lock service shouldn't have been deleted

I think deleting Chubby_Lock_Service was a mistake. Chubby is an interesting lock manager that's very different than what else is out there, and the paper about chubby is appearing at the 'Operating Systems Design and Implementation' conference next month - the most prestiegious operating systems conference in the world. Chubby is a major part of Google's infrastructure and Wikipedia is certainly a better encyclopedia with an article about it. (In fact, wikipedia.org might someday want to use the Chubby software or something very much like it).

Certainly the article was a bit sparse - sorry, I was making my first edit to another article (BigTable) - the BigTable article errnously claimed that BigTable was built on a piece of Google infrastructure that also had a wikipedia article, so when I fixed the BigTable article I created the Chubby article so there was still a link in the BigTable article. If anything, the Chubby article should have been listed as a stub, but it was my first article and I didn't know how to do that.

I think I'm following the first step of Wikipedia:Undeletion_policy right, but if I should be posting this appeal somewhere else please let me know. I'm not sure if there was a discussion about deleting it (I didn't see it on the list of articles for deletion on Oct 12 or 13th) so I think you "speedy deleted" it.

Thanks! Erik s paulson 16:31, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey!

Hey Fang Aili!

I got to thinking. Since you were my admin coach, and since I was Ginkgo100's admin coach, it's kinda like you're a grandmother. ;) (OK, this message was sort of pointless, but I just wanted to thank you once again for your support, as always). Best wishes, :) Firsfron of Ronchester 04:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hehe.. something like that. :) I'm glad Ginkgo was successful. How are things going, by the way? Lately I've been into trying to remove various speedy backlogs. It's addicting after a while. Come to think of it, I should try to contact my current admin coachee again; he's been incommunicado. Best wishes, Fang Aili ^talk 18:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Check up

Hey, its been some time since the DuMont Television Network peer review and I just want to let you know I havent forgot about it. I see you still working on it and I intend to keep my promise and copyedit the article. So let me know when you finished. - Tutmosis 20:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Looking up deleted contribs

Since you were such a great admin coach before my promotion, I'll ask you my first syspo question after promotion. =) Is there an easy way to look up deleted pages in a user's contribs? I ran across an abusive editor who did nothing but create attack pages. Since these were speedy deleted, I could not check to see how many different pages had been created -- I could only look up the history for the one I deleted, because I did not know the names of the other ones. Do I have to just rely on other editors' talk page warnings to get an idea of this history? --Ginkgo100 ^{talk · e@} 23:42, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome to the AMA!

Hello Firsfron, I see that you have decided to join the AMA (we're a little late with this one). I'll be the first to say welcome! We're always in need of more advocates, especially since were backloged most of the time. Your also only the second sysop advocate we have. Just a few pointers for what we do. We communicate by putting a template on our talk page. The template is {{AMA alerts}}. The AMA also has it's own IRC channel which reports new cases to us, and also new alerts. If you'd like to jump right into a case, you can check out WP:AMARQ, which is our new request for advocacy system. The instructions for how the technical part works is on the talk page. You can also use the AMA userboxes that appear under here. If you have anymore questions about the organization, just ping any advocates talk page, including our coordinator, Steve. Again, welcome to the AMA! -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 05:35, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

User 209.189.130.41

More vandalism by 209.189.130.41 at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ringo_Starr&diff=82644448&oldid=82628893 J.R. Hercules 01:23, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Tecmobowl (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Tecmobowl is acting like one of the vandals in the Spotteddogsdotorg/Scott Brown sockpuppet ring switching from television to baseball and staying away from his main targets of abuse. The patterns are obvious, even down to the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents posting and playing innocent. I first suspected him a few weeks ago. TV Newser Tipline 08:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

• Thank you for your help with this situation. I really don't mind if people want to give me legitimate warnings, but I still don't think I have done anything to warrant one yet. I have read your comments on my Talk page and thank you for your help. If you have any advice as to how I can quickly and easily deal with these types of incidents (other than what I am doing), it would be appreciated. Thanks for your time. --Tecmobowl 09:56, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

• Thanks for the tips. I will try and keep that in mind in the future. --Tecmobowl 10:11, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Comfort zone.......

I must admit I do feel out of my depth sometimes with dinosaurs, even though I have been interested for yonks. Another hobby is Australian plants, in particular Banksia, and we are about to stick Banksia integrifolia up as a Featured Article Candidate - this will hopefully reinflate my defaltion on Steggy........Cas Liber 11:09, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Well spotted typo! thanks - I think we'll put it up on FAC later today.Cas Liber 00:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Association of Members' Advocates

Hi, you are receiving this message because you have listed yourself as an active member of WP:AMA. If you aren't currently accepting inquiries for AMA, or if you have resigned, please de-list yourself from Wikipedia:AMA Members. If you are still active, please consider tending to any new requests that may appear on Category:AMA Requests for Assistance. We're going to put AMA on wheels. :) Sorry for the template spamming - we're just trying to update our records, after we had a huge backlog earlier in the week (if you've been taking cases, then sorry, and please ignore this :)). Again, sorry, and thanks! Martinp23 20:59, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

OK - sorry about spamming! From what I;ve gathered, the association pretty much went dead not long after it started (probably around whne you joined) but has since been revitalised, and is now much more active. I only joined recently hough - so I'm not too sure of the past! Thanks, Martinp23 21:46, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, sorry about the double message. I was looking through who had edited the members page to look for new members. Since you hadn't had any proper welcome, I thought I'd give you one (even though how late we are). The talk page is, well, not well monitered and almost never used by advocates. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk) 23:28, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...

Hello there! Right now, I can't afford the time to be as thorough as I would like to be in answering your query - this is a situation where a lot can be said. Here is a sketch of what I would be inclined to do if I was more informed and involved:

1. Block indefinitely.
2. Explain that an essential part of contributing to this encyclopedia is good communication with other users.
3. Write why you think some edits are questionable.
4. Say for X number of months, explanations for these sorts of actions been inadequate from the account.

   Always emphasize the account, and not the user who you think controls it (I'll let you think about why this is important).

5. Say that it is important that other users know that this account is meant for constructive or encyclopedic editing, and it would help if they could indicate their editing goals on their talk page so others can identify with the account's intentions.
6. Assert that the indefinite block is temporary so long as an adequate response is given.

This is one of those odd situations where a creative use of the buttons is in order. What you are looking for, is a response that reads intelligently, and indicates unambiguously that the user is trying to do something good for Wikipedia. This has to be done on the talk page, not in an e-mail. If it falls short of this, press the user to give a better response. If this fails, then keep the block active - you are not here to babysit accounts over the internet. Feel good that you have given someone a reasonable dose of professionalism and dignity through the process. This works regardless if the user is a "child" or an "adult". Create situations for someone to act maturely, and they will do so if they are capable and willing.

Likewise, be prepared to reciprocate this when you receive it. In the event you have to lift the block, be graceful about it - this means, knowing how to admit error. I generally write something to the effect "blocked in error - my fullest apologies". However, my inclination is that for this case, this is not a likely scenario - something feels very suspicious about the account, particularily if you look at how the userpages were constructed, and the related accounts on other language Wikis. Remember, the Wiki cannot capture the sophistication of reality, so focus on what you know from the Wiki, and nothing else. I hope this helps. --HappyCamper 13:06, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

AWB

Do you really mean that the sentence should start with a lower case letter: [1]? Please be more careful when using AWB. Den fjättrade ankan 18:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Dino project

Added myself to the project. Will be happy to help wherever I can. Thanks for the tip. ArthurWeasley 02:07, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Advameg

You deleted an article that is the subject of an ongoing AfD debate. This is a clear violation of policy. Please contribute to the AfD debate instead of deleting the article unilaterally. Mjk2357 03:19, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I deleted the page because it appears to have been created primarily to disparage its subject. Please read WP:CSD G10. Pages which meet Categories for Speedy Deletion do not warrant an AfD. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester 03:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Funny, milliseconds before you deleted it someone else said it should be deleted because it was advertizing for Advameg! Really it's sad that Wikipedia has gotten to the point where you're so scared of getting sued anything negative is getting deleted. By your logic I should go delete the Enron article too. Mjk2357 03:28, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

The article begins with "Advameg is an Illinois- or possibly Indiana-based internet company and a known spammer of Wikipedia." If the opening sentence begins with an attack, there is no reason for it on Wikipedia, per WP:CSD G10. Happy editing! Firsfron of Ronchester 03:33, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually that was an old version I mistakenly restored after someone else had bypassed AfD and nuked the article. The original sentence was changed after complaints. Would you object to the article being restored with a different starting sentence and going through normal AfD? Considring other people have messaged me saying the article is too pro-Advameg (???) I think there's some debate here. Mjk2357 03:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I will restore with the changed first sentence. Personally I think every company that holds a top-5000 Alexa domain should have at least a stubby article. There are a ton of city-data.com links on Wikipedia - there's debate as to whether or not they are legit or spam. Users should know about the company behind them to make their own decicions. Mjk2357 03:47, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Firsfron - Mjk2357 is a former poster on city-data.com/forum/ (under username mjk1093, using IPs such as 68.80.88.*, 4.239.156.*, 4.90.214.*, 68.38.121.*, 68.57.31.*, 68.80.69.*, 68.80.88.*, provided for verification) that was banned by the moderator for various rules infractions (worst messages are deleted) that is using Wikipedia for a personal vendetta against site's owners. There has been no spamming of Wikipedia on behalf of city-data.com - as an administrator, I'm sure you can check who added any references to the site to verify this. None of the other sites listed are spammy and in reality contain very high-quality content. The attack article was deleted four times by different administrators (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Advameg) and against the rules Mjk2357 has restored the article three times already. I believe Mjk2357 should be banned from Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.184.73.22 (talk • contribs)

In addition, the company attacked by Mjk2357 is one of the first benefactors of the Wikimedia Foundation (http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Benefactors, August 2004, whois on fact-index.com).

Thank you for the answer, however please note that the recreated article certainly did contain the attack material (and many other incorrect statements - please read it and I'm sure you'll notice for example how ridiculous the statements about the company's political leanings are, or how the "external reference" links don't support any of the statements made, or how he "neutrally" titles an external link where city-data.com is included in the best business research sites as "On the Impossibility of Contacting Anyone at Advameg"). I think Mjk2357's previous contributions are precisely the reason why he thought he could get away with creating an attack page and then recreating it multiple times. If users like this are not banned, this encourages creating "history" that can be abused later on (similar to what scammers on eBay have been known to do). I'm sure that you were able to verify that he is the user banned from city-data's forum by looking at his IP, so his motive is clear.67.184.73.22 08:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Advameg - hopefully the last word - spammers give me a headache

I do not believe the article met the criteria for speedy delete. The criteria listed given for the three deletions were as follows 1.) Article was anti-Advameg (debatable - I included some good points and some caveats). 2.) Article was pro-Advameg (contradicts #1) 3.) Company's HQ was uncertain (that one just stumps me!). However I don't plan to waste all my time battling this company. Given the petty scale of their operations (to date) it doesn't seem worth it. However I do reserve the right to remove their spam where I see it.

As this IP has revealed itself as a rep of Advameg I am requesting a warning or a block because Advameg is in clear violation of policy - promotion of commercial websites via linkspam. Obviously they are attacking me in part because a large part of their traffic comes from their Wikipedia links. They seem like the suing type so no way am I giving out my name!

P.S. - this IP is the probable operator of the sockpuppets at IPs: 67.163.18.29 69.217.59.174 24.14.148.207, 82.210.185.92, and 208.54.95.129. The spam project also refers to a page called "suspected sockpuppets of Zdrv" but this has been deleted (wonder why??) Mjk2357 20:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Arabnet, Arabcircle, Stars.net, Dreamnet

Why did you delete these articles? They are ISPs in Saudi Arabia. I don't believe they are candidates for speedy deletion. If it helps they are listed in the official website of the ISU (Saudi Arabia). Anyways, if you still think they should remain deleted it's cool with me, I know the articles are kind of lame. :| --Anas Salloum 14:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm convinced. I will consider that every time I start similar articles. And hey, thanks for your help and time my friend. ;) --Anas Salloum 16:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

fix

No problemo. --Fang Aili ^talk 16:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Stegosaurus

The article looks pretty good to me thanks to all your edits. When do you want to proposed it as a featured article? ArthurWeasley 17:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, looks better now - the only niggling thought i have is that the intro is 4 paras now (and someone might complain.....) and that maybe Para 3 in the intro can be worked into the description, either as is or slightly modified. The other featured dinos all had larger descriptions somehow too. However if you want to go as is then I'll support it :)Cas Liber 21:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Stegosaurus

Re your post on my talk. I'm honoured to be considered at least a de facto leader! Alas, my time is little on here for a while, due to outside stress & little to write about... However, in regards to getting the dino to pass FAC, you need to do a few things. 1) Get Sheepy involved. He ususally helps a great deal with the technical stuff. 2) Some sections are very small. Also, if the in popular culture section is bigger than any other section, you've got problems. Try & cut down on the pop culture section a bit, maybe removing any obviously badly written pieces that often occur in the pop culture sections. Then add to the other section. In particular, History of Discovery & the description sections are lacking, & to a less what degree, the Paleobiology sections. Sheepy usually helps with those sections. 3) After all this, it always helps to proof read the entire article for grammar & to make sure all inline cites are behind the punctuation. 4) Hope to dear God almightly nobody like Tony1 shows up saying crap like "I oppose because you haven't change "with" to "and", as this would save on .1 letters!". Yes, very annoying when people oppose solely for minor minor spelling or grammar mistakes, such as in T rex. 5) When people oppose & then don't change their vote once you've fixed their concerns, always make sure that you clearly state what you have fixed & how you feel that their oppose is now invalid, so that Raul can see that you have fixed the problems. Don't forget, it's also up to Raul to decide too. Finally, 6) Try not to get stressed out like I did with my other 3 FACs. If you get stressed, ask someone like me, Ballista or Dinoguy to take over or help with replies. It really helped having you there on the T rex FAC, so never go it alone. That's about it matey. Hope you get it passed & hopefully I'll be on to vote for it... Also, I'm just wondering if anyone else can maintain the Dino collaboration. I've left a message on my user page, but I doubt anyone's raised their hand. Could you keep me posted? Thanks a bunch man... Spawn Man 22:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Stegosaurus

You sent me a message asking if I could check the Stegosaurus article. I made one change. It is not any more common than other dinosaurs. I think it should be a candidate. There is no other information that I can think to add. Thank you for asking me. somedude101