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Government advance guard - Loudon's 64th Highlanders

At present the article shows that the Government's advance guard included 300 men from Loudon's Highlanders regiment and quotes Reid (2002) as the source. However, there is a more recent in depth book written by Tony Pollard in 2009, which I think more correctly describes this unit as the "Highland Brigade", which was made up of 8 companies of soldiers; 3 from Loudon's Highlanders, 4 from the Campbell of Argyll Militia and one from the 43rd (Black Watch) Regiment of Foot. I though I would discuss here first to make sure that no-one objected to me making any changes to this.QuintusPetillius (talk) 12:24, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Good stuff - a most useful edit (at least in the opinion of this Oxford DPhil)! General public uderstanding of C18th Scotland would be very well served by a wider appreciation of the Highland Whig dynamic... :)91.85.208.0 (talk) 23:06, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Religious Civil War

'Part of a religious Civil War' is very debatable.

Religion was not the issue at stake - the single most consistent factor was opposition to the Union (most of the clansmen didn't get the choice, they had to follow their chief) and nearly all were Protestants of one kind or another (Episcopalians). The references in the third paragraph are also misleading eg

Charles Stuart's Jacobite army consisted largely of Catholics and Episcopalians....The British Government (Hanoverian loyalist) forces were mostly Protestants...

I think these references should be removed because they're not relevant. Robinvp11 (talk) 10:03, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

The suggestion that Scottish separatism was the main driving force for the '45 may be 'verifiable' by reference to one or two modern interpretations, but it is far from being a matter of academic consensus, and is contradicted by the fact that those highlanders who joined the pretender's Son at Glenfinnan hailed him as 'Prince of Wales'... I'd urge extreme caution over editing within this sphere... :) 91.85.208.0 (talk) 10:47, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree with the IP editor. Also, the Jacobite cause overall was not necessarily against the union, as the Jacobite leader Charles Edward Stuart wanted the throne of the whole of the United Kingdom; England and not just Scotland.QuintusPetillius (talk) 13:35, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree that the "religious civil war" is extremely debatable, and in the absence of a referenced source this text should be removed. Also, Episcopalianism is a Protestant denomination, and the majority of the English troops in the British Army would have been part of the Church of England, and thus also Episcopalians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Velkyal (talk • contribs) 14:16, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Casualties

The article mentions (correctly) that many of the Government "wounded" would not have survived their wounds. It is worth pointing out that this is even more true of the Jacobite "wounded", most of whom would have died or been killed during the subsequent days. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.108.92.22 (talk) 14:38, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

'Religious civil war', again

This needs to be addressed, as it doesn't reflect modern scholarship. The 'civil war' thing is straight out of Prebble.

Although the IP editor above said there was no 'consensus' on the issue, it's more the case that modern academics interpret the participants as having a range of motives held in varying degrees of intensity, Catholicism, Stuart loyalism and opposition to the Union being just some of them. The most recent popular histories of the 45 (eg Riding, Duffy) certainly take this view. Even the main article here describes the conflict as part of the War of the Austrian Succession.Svejk74 (talk) 07:37, 6 February 2018 (UTC)