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:::Cite added to Andrews and Morgan's ''Supermarine Aircraft since 1914'' - p. 247 "The contraction Seafire from Sea Spitfire (c/f Sea Hurricane) was suggested by Mrs Freda Clifton, wife of Alan Clifton of Suoermarine".[[User:Nigel Ish|Nigel Ish]] ([[User talk:Nigel Ish|talk]]) 21:23, 11 January 2015 (UTC) |
:::Cite added to Andrews and Morgan's ''Supermarine Aircraft since 1914'' - p. 247 "The contraction Seafire from Sea Spitfire (c/f Sea Hurricane) was suggested by Mrs Freda Clifton, wife of Alan Clifton of Suoermarine".[[User:Nigel Ish|Nigel Ish]] ([[User talk:Nigel Ish|talk]]) 21:23, 11 January 2015 (UTC) |
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::::That sounds like solid documentation that "Sea Spitfire" was ever part of the naming process - and that is was the source of the "Seafire" name. [[User:Kyteto|Kyteto]] ([[User talk:Kyteto|talk]]) 19:41, 12 January 2015 (UTC) |
::::That sounds like solid documentation that "Sea Spitfire" was ever part of the naming process - and that is was the source of the "Seafire" name. [[User:Kyteto|Kyteto]] ([[User talk:Kyteto|talk]]) 19:41, 12 January 2015 (UTC) |
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:::::Before such an aircraft existed the natural way of asking for one, and to frame an operation requirement for such an aircraft, would be to make a request for a "Sea Spitfire", so it is almost certain that early documentation would refer to the aircraft as-such before the official service name of "Seafire" was allocated. |
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"For various reasons Winston Churchill who was First Lord of the Admiralty cancelled the order, writing to Lord Beaverbrook:[3]"
any reason in particular, maybe it was "so as not to divert production away from the land based Spitfire, Winston Churchill, ect." (Fdsdh1 (talk) 17:06, 3 September 2013 (UTC))
Assessment:
The final sentence reads:
"In spite of these problems the Seafire, especially the L. Mk II and III with their low altitude rated Merlin engines found a role as a low to medium altitude interceptor able to protect the RAN carrier fleet."
Should this read "...to protect the RN carrier fleet." as the Royal Australian Navy Fleet Air Arm, AFAIK, didn't operate these aircraft? (203.26.122.12 (talk) 05:22, 24 February 2010 (UTC))
- Yep, the RAN operated Sea Furies...postwar. In fact there's no really no need for the RN to be mentioned either. Minorhistorian (talk) 23:39, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
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the article says the name was abbreviated from "Sea Spitfire". There is no documentation that "Sea Spitfire" was ever part of the naming process. I think this is pure conjecture. Rsduhamel (talk) 16:59, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
- Documented or not, it's unlikely it was derived from anything else. I could be wrong, and it was derived from "Sea Hurricane", but I doubt it. - BilCat (talk) 17:21, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
- Buttler (British Secret Projects 1935-1950 p175) mentions the Admiralty officially asking the Air Ministry if they could have some Spitfires with folding wings and arrester hook in 1940. The disruption to Spitfire production is given as the reason for not proceeding. Buttler uses the phrase Sea Spitfire in single quotes which in the style of the text usually means the text comes from some written document. His books also touches upon other navalised aircraft suggestions from the ministries or manufacturers as developments of existing aircraft (Hawker P.1009 'Sea Typhoon', Boulton Paul P.85 'Sea Defiant'). GraemeLeggett (talk) 18:32, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
- Cite added to Andrews and Morgan's Supermarine Aircraft since 1914 - p. 247 "The contraction Seafire from Sea Spitfire (c/f Sea Hurricane) was suggested by Mrs Freda Clifton, wife of Alan Clifton of Suoermarine".Nigel Ish (talk) 21:23, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
- That sounds like solid documentation that "Sea Spitfire" was ever part of the naming process - and that is was the source of the "Seafire" name. Kyteto (talk) 19:41, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
- Cite added to Andrews and Morgan's Supermarine Aircraft since 1914 - p. 247 "The contraction Seafire from Sea Spitfire (c/f Sea Hurricane) was suggested by Mrs Freda Clifton, wife of Alan Clifton of Suoermarine".Nigel Ish (talk) 21:23, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
- Buttler (British Secret Projects 1935-1950 p175) mentions the Admiralty officially asking the Air Ministry if they could have some Spitfires with folding wings and arrester hook in 1940. The disruption to Spitfire production is given as the reason for not proceeding. Buttler uses the phrase Sea Spitfire in single quotes which in the style of the text usually means the text comes from some written document. His books also touches upon other navalised aircraft suggestions from the ministries or manufacturers as developments of existing aircraft (Hawker P.1009 'Sea Typhoon', Boulton Paul P.85 'Sea Defiant'). GraemeLeggett (talk) 18:32, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
- Before such an aircraft existed the natural way of asking for one, and to frame an operation requirement for such an aircraft, would be to make a request for a "Sea Spitfire", so it is almost certain that early documentation would refer to the aircraft as-such before the official service name of "Seafire" was allocated.
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