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Cathy Barry

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Recreated biography of a non-notable porn star. Minor awards do not satisfy WP:PORNBIO as determined in the previous AfD. Still lacks non-trivial coverage by independent reliable sources to pass WP:GNG. G4 declined due to lots of new citations, but the reliable ones are trivial mentions, not about the subject. • Gene93k (talk) 13:27, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:28, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:29, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:29, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:29, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE AND SALT per nom (4th time should be the charm). Quis separabit? 14:08, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP Previous vote to last was to keep - so odd that another vote came in this year and was only voted on by 3 people all to delete. Has won several awards, including Life Time Achievment at the UK Adult Film Awards and is about as famous as a British porn star can be - to the point that she starred as her self in Channel 4 series Skins. She is also a director of a leading UK porn production company. It's not surprising that there are not more web references for a porn star who was at her most famous in the 1990's and early 2000's as so many article will have vanished over the years - this is "possibly" where common sense needs to be applied especially when there are articles on thousands of US porn stars very few people have heard of.Tbone556 (talk) 15:37, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's inclusion guidelines have been tightened significantly since the 2008 consensus to keep. The working consensus now is that UK Adult Film Awards do not count as major as far as PORNBIO is concerned. Also PORNBIO without significant reliable source coverage is no longer an automatic keep. Finally, Wikipedia does not have thousands of porn star articles, and weakly sourced articles about American performers are also being culled. • Gene93k (talk) 16:17, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- A working consensus amongst a select (small) number of editors? Can you name a more significant UK pornographic award? Exactly. Barry is a very famous, clearly notable British porn star who is so well known that she has appeared in a mainstream TV show as herself, co-runs a leading porn production company and has her own line of DVDs. She isn't some vaguely known porn star. Tbone556 (talk) 16:39, 11 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails GNG; porn standards have been tightened here over the last five years, reflected in the assessment last time at AfD that this was a non-notable subject. Carrite (talk) 11:34, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It's not standards, it's a an anti-porn bias highlighted by the first vote where an editor seems to relish in the idea of article re-creation being blocked - maybe they have a crystal ball. I also think a world famous British porn star is more notable than a Pakistani hairdresser, whose short article has 6 references, but whatever. Tbone556 (talk) 16:08, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have neither the time nor the inclination to do the research, but I can't believe sources can't be found to establish Barry's notability. I'm not British, but my impression is that she was one of the most prominent British porn actresses of her time. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 15:48, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

She is - I would have thought a request for better or more refs would be more relevant and helpful than a desire to delete. Personally, I'm amazed that the article is up for deletion, as she IS one of the most famous British porn stars everTbone556 (talk) 16:03, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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 :** A working consensus amongst a select (small) number of editors? Can you name a more significant UK pornographic award? Exactly. Barry is a very famous, clearly notable British porn star who is so well known that she has appeared in a mainstream TV show as herself, co-runs a leading porn production company and has her own line of DVDs. She isn't some vaguely known porn star. [[User:Tbone556|Tbone556]] ([[User talk:Tbone556|talk]]) 16:39, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
 * '''Delete''' - Fails GNG; porn standards have been tightened here over the last five years, reflected in the assessment last time at AfD that this was a non-notable subject. [[User:Carrite|Carrite]] ([[User talk:Carrite|talk]]) 11:34, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
+:* It's not standards, it's a an anti-porn bias highlighted by the first vote where an editor seems to relish in the idea of article re-creation being blocked - maybe they have a crystal ball. I also think a world famous British porn star is more notable than a Pakistani hairdresser, whose short article has 6 references, but whatever. [[User:Tbone556|Tbone556]] ([[User talk:Tbone556|talk]]) 16:08, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 *'''Comment''' I have neither the time nor the inclination to do the research, but I can't believe sources can't be found to establish Barry's notability. I'm not British, but my impression is that she was one of the most prominent British porn actresses of her time. —&nbsp;[[User:Malik Shabazz|Malik Shabazz]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Malik Shabazz|Talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Malik Shabazz|Stalk]]</sub> 15:48, 12 August 2017 (UTC)
 :* She is - I would have thought a request for better or more refs would be more relevant and helpful than a desire to delete. Personally, I'm amazed that the article is up for deletion, as she IS one of the most famous British porn stars ever[[User:Tbone556|Tbone556]] ([[User talk:Tbone556|talk]]) 16:03, 12 August 2017 (UTC)