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Patriot (CGA) Updates

Thank you for the assistance with patrolling and updating Patriot CGA.

You recently (11:07, 4 May 2017) made a change to the page's infobox and it seems a conditional tag disappeared which made the old image of Vortex visible - I took the liberty of replacing the conditional tag. If I am mistaken please let me know and I can revert?

I am of the opinion that only the logo of Patriot should now be visible (in the infobox) until a new image of Patriot is made available, similar to Mako's approach. Could I perhaps include the image of Vortex in the body of the article instead (where the reference is made to the old paint scheme)?

I also applied for an assessment of the content of the page as it is currently a stub. --VitaminCL (talk) 23:03, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

VitaminCL: No, sorry it was a mistake on my part. If you look at the changes I made, I didn't see that the hidden tag extended a couple lines down where "|caption=Vortex-->" was located. Somehow I missed that! The change you made is fine, and at some point we will want to retain the old image and place it somewhere down in the body of the article. Thanks for the heads up. --GoneIn60 (talk) 23:14, 6 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Batman v Superman

My edit of "Batman v Superman" is not only more "constructive", but also less biased than the previous version. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TommyVictor (talk • contribs) 20:53, 11 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

TommyVictor: Glad to know you think so. I disagree. Per WP:BRD, you should start a new discussion on the article's talk page if you'd like to form a new consensus for your proposed version. I'll be happy to comment there. Thanks. --GoneIn60 (talk) 21:25, 11 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Demon (Ride) Edit

Hi, Thanks for your message. The information I contributed was meant to be just clairification, but I am not sure for to "cite" it. I personally went to Six Flags Great America 2015, 2016, and 2017 and heard the music playing on "Demon". Because it wasn't a huge deal, it is impossible to provide a traditional source, other than myself. I believe it is an important detail to add to the article nonetheless. I appreciate any feedback, Thanks Lukebenne (talk) 19:15, 16 May 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lukebenne (talk • contribs)

Lukebenne: When I last worked on that article, I left that area open-ended until a reliable source emerges that supports more specific information. Unfortunately, personal experience would be a form of original research, which isn't permitted on Wikipedia. If it never appears in a reliable source, then by Wikipedia's standards, we shouldn't include the information in the article. If it's worth reporting, then some source somewhere will report it. You may want to look over WP:V and WP:CITE for more information about proper referencing. You might also want to visit the welcome page for general tips for new editors. Hope that helps. --GoneIn60 (talk) 21:39, 16 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Rail transport in Walt Disney Parks and Resorts featured list nomination

Greetings. I'd like to hear your two cents on this: Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Rail transport in Walt Disney Parks and Resorts/archive1, when you have a moment. I have a few people looking at this who are primarily interested in rail transport, but I'd like someone who is interested in amusement parks to chime in, also. If enough people say they support this on the page, we'll get another piece of amusement park-related featured content on Wikipedia. Jackdude101 (Talk) 21:15, 3 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jackdude101, my apologies. I wasn't able to look at this until now. Looks like it got promoted though! Nice work! --GoneIn60 (talk) 23:35, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind that. I have another related article currently nominated for featured status here: Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Disneyland Railroad/archive1. If you desire, you can state your opinion on that one. Jackdude101 (Talk) 02:05, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Jackdude101, I'm not all that familiar with weighing in on Featured Article reviews, but I went ahead and copyedited the lead which should help out. When you have a chance, please make sure that all elements mentioned in the lead are mentioned somewhere down in the body of the article. I may revisit later and begin copyediting other sections. --GoneIn60 (talk) 03:33, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the copyedit to the lead. It never hurts to have another set of eyes look over things. I have indeed included all of the things mentioned in the lead in the article body. You probably don't need to go to all of that trouble with copyediting the rest of the article, though. The article already passed an extensive, top-to-bottom review of its prose a few days ago. What is needed is for people to state that they support the article's nomination on the review page. The general rule is that you need three people besides the nominator to state that they support it, and two people have done so thus far. Jackdude101 (Talk) 19:25, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your suggestion at the Citation Underkill MfD

Your suggested language would certainly resolve my concerns. That said... one of the questions we need to resolve at the MfD is whether the essay should be moved into QuackGuru's userspace, or continue in mainspace. That question will depend on how much Quack is open to others editing the essay he started ... so... would you be willing to do a bold edit and amend the essay with your suggested language? Then we can see how he reacts. Blueboar (talk) 18:56, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Blueboar: Sure why not? Here goes nothing! --GoneIn60 (talk) 19:03, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

June 2017 Cedar Fair page response

Sorry I thought I left an explanation. Those awards are awarded to the individual parks not the chain overall and should be mentioned on the individual park page and the page of the of the ride like it is for the park pages for Universal, Six Flags parks, and Disney Parks not the page for the overall chain. Also you were missing the awards won by Millennium Force and the Best Steel Coaster won by Fury 325. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MitchellLunger (talk • contribs) 16:48, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

MitchellLunger, the main reason I reverted you was because there was no explanation in the edit summary. Now that you have provided one, it's not a problem. Also above, you noted that "you were missing...", but I did not add that content, so I wasn't missing anything! I get your point though: it is an incomplete list that is better off being listed at the individual park article where it was awarded. Fair enough. --GoneIn60 (talk) 18:29, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am the source for forgotten Geauga Lake Rides

It's missing many Geauga Lake rides. My Dad took us there every year starting in the 1960s. I live across the street from Geauga Lake.

Cuddle Up Added in 1946 http://www.geaugalaketoday.com/Park_History.htm
Rocket Ships (Traver Circle Swing) https://m.facebook.com/geauga.lake/posts/906564062775823
Laff in the Dark (Traver Dark Ride) https://m.facebook.com/geauga.lake/posts/906564062775823
Rock-o-Plane (Lee Eyerly Upside Down Ferris Wheel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Eyerly
Fly-o-Plane (Lee Eyerly Upside Down Airplanes) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Eyerly
Loop-o-Plane (Lee Eyerly Upside Down "Dutch Shoes") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Eyerly

2605:A000:F740:1200:95D6:BB77:4500:D978 (talk) 22:37, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@2605:A000:F740:1200:95D6:BB77:4500:D978: Sorry, but you cannot be the source for claims on Wikipedia. Personal experience is a form of original research, which is not permitted. The geaugalaketoday.com source may be acceptable to some extent, but yourself, Facebook, and other articles on Wikipedia cannot be used as sources. I suggest you thoroughly read WP:V and WP:RS to understand what is allowed, and then WP:CITE for help on how to add citations. Also feel free to ask for help if you get stuck. Thanks. --GoneIn60 (talk) 18:06, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hugging Captain America

Hey, what do you think about this?

I mean, I did say that I would be satisfied if the term was unlinked, and I wound up getting more than that with the term being completely excised from the body and the citation being removed, but I proposed that that was when I just wanted the dispute to be over because I was sick of Huggums's WP:IDHT act. Then you chimed in, and Huggums (who apparently only realized he was in the minority when someone other other than himself, me and Favre commented on the article talk page itself, or was pretending not to realize it until that point) spontaneously "surrendered" and unilaterally instated the compromise proposal as "consensus".

But if more folks like you and everyone else at WT:FILM and RSN had come along earlier, I never would have got sick of the IDHT act and we wouldn't have had the "compromise" of using the ambiguous term that is either inaccurate or somewhat POV but just not linking the article thay discusses the former definition, and I wouldn't have to deal with him sending off both the WT:FILM and RSN threads with "Hijiri was wrong, but I've decided to compromise with him anyway".

And, more importantly, the article still says the film has an "ensemble cast".

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note that I did just outline how I think this whole mess (which spreads far beyond that one article and has very little to do with me and nothing to do with Huggums) will eventually end here. But I've had this feeling since 2015 and so far very little has happened, so I might just be completely wrong. In my prediction of what will happen, not in my claim that the article and those related to it have OWN problems and contain serious sourcing issues. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 02:40, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hijiri 88: Well, I find it interesting that the compromise I proposed later in the discussion wasn't addressed. Whether that was intentional or not, I still think the phrase should be removed from the lead at the very least. I'm disengaging for a bit to see if anyone else weighs in. I was hoping Favre would re-enter and comment on what has happened so far. I usually trust his judgement in matters like this. Also, Huggums does have some valid points at WT:FILM but seemed to lose a little objectivity in the CA thread.

You're right about some editors having OWN problems in MCU and DCEU articles (though I don't wish to imply Huggums is one of them). I've been fighting that battle at the Superman-related articles for years, so I feel your pain! --GoneIn60 (talk) 02:48, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, of course, Huggums couldn't be one of them -- he's too new. I just thought, based on his use of "we" on RSN, that he was includiing himself in the editors with OWN problems. That said, something else in your above comment leads me to believe you and I might disagree on exactly who said editors are, and I'm not really in the mood for getting in a fight over it right now. (If we do disagree, you could very well be right, and I could just be misreading things -- it wouldn't be the first time that happened.)

That said, I think Favre's comment accusing me of OR for wanting to remove the phrase from the article and do so based on my reading of the source as using the phrase in a different sense than Wikipedia normally does (and always should) is a really bad misreading of the policy, and it seems to be becoming more and more endemic in the project. I find it difficult to trust the judgement of someone who not only makes a mistake like this but doesn't retract it when pung or messaged.

Anyway, I don't suppose you noticed what Favre did do in relation to the developments? I think it's a step in the right direction, anyway...

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:30, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hijiri 88: I do see how that comment could rub you the wrong way, but I wouldn't have taken it as a direct accusation. It was more hypothetical. Him and I don't always agree, but we do usually find ourselves on the same side of the argument. I don't think he's taken a strong stance yet, which is why I was hoping he'd weigh in with an update. What I think the other side is overlooking here, is that having a source or two that supports the ensemble label doesn't mean we should kick the term's definition to the curb. We should credit the source directly in prose – not just in citation – if the term is going to remain, since we aren't using it within the confines of its general meaning. I didn't notice the removal you linked to above until you pointed it out; yes, it's a step in the right direction, but I'm still more concerned about the lead than the body. --GoneIn60 (talk) 11:09, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Roller Coaster edit

I honestly have no idea what you're referring to as a joke edit. I don't remember what I added to the rollercoaster article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ain515 (talk • contribs) 03:28, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ain515: Maybe this edit will refresh your memory. If that's not a joke and was meant to be serious, then it really needs to be placed better. Realize that we should write in paragraph form and all claims (such as that one) should be well-referenced by citing a reliable source. --GoneIn60 (talk) 03:35, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, now I do remember. That wasn't a joke. I'm still not exactly sure how to properly embed a citation and I'm not extremely experienced as an editor. I have a url that leads to my source for that now and you or someone else can properly add it if I can convince you that it is worth adding. I think that it is useful for kidney stone survivors like myself to know. An unexpected treatment for something as painful as a kidney stone really deserves to be known. If a rollercoaster can treat such a painful medical condition, it is worth noting in its wikipedia page. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/04/science/roller-coaster-kidney-stones.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ain515 (talk • contribs) 03:51, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. It's great that there is a reliable source for the information, but here's the deal. The article specifically mentions that riding a roller coaster may help pass "very small" kidney stones. But it also implies that it wouldn't help a vast majority of the 300,000 emergency room cases that occur every year, simply because these involve larger kidney stones. Given that fact, I'm not sure it's all that important to the roller coaster article. Also, your edit seems to imply there were multiple studies, but this is only one, and the effectiveness of a treatment usually requires thorough investigation before it's commonly accepted knowledge. Perhaps a passing mention at the kidney stone article is more appropriate. For help with citations, WP:REFB should help you out. --GoneIn60 (talk) 04:08, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Diesel

Diesel oil is named after Rudolf Diesel, the inventor of the Diesel engine. Since when is it not a proper noun? Using your reasoning, would you also write "Ford Motor Company" (named after Henry Ford) as "ford motor company", or "Morse code" (named after Samuel Morse) as "morse code"? — Quicksilver (Hydrargyrum)^{T @} 16:03, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Quicksilver (Hydrargyrum): While many examples agree with the point you're making, some do not. There are a few exceptions to the general rule, and diesel is one of them. You really only need to check a dictionary like this one from Oxford. As shown, the term diesel is not a proper noun, even when used in a sentence as an adjective to describe engine or locomotive. Hopefully a dictionary is enough to convince you! Most of the time inventions named after their inventors are proper nouns. The term Ferris wheel is another example that shows when capitalization is required, but here are some examples when that's not the case:

Hopefully that helps! By the way, I did find it a bit strange that you would put this effort into a featured article and ignore the main diesel oil article. If you truly believed it to be correct, wouldn't you have changed it there as well? --GoneIn60 (talk) 22:18, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Matterhorn Bobsleds Article

Hi GoneIn60,

I just got your message about the Matterhorn Bobsleds article. You're right, I didn't provide a reliable source pertaining to the Matterhorn Bobsleds article. I hope to find a source backing up the claim of a Matterhorn ride at Walt Disney World if one exists, otherwise I mostly wrote speculatively, or about how I would have developed the attraction. I'm not logged in at the moment but feel free to reach me soon. Thanks for correcting, or rather trying to strengthen, this error.

Regards, Wiscipidier