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::::I haven't, but then again I haven't stopped anyone from doing that if that is their desire. I'm interested purely in homosexuality. If you have no specific point to make then let's draw a line under this as I have other things to do. Thanks. [[User:Contaldo80|Contaldo80]] ([[User talk:Contaldo80|talk]]) 11:51, 27 September 2016 (UTC) |
::::I haven't, but then again I haven't stopped anyone from doing that if that is their desire. I'm interested purely in homosexuality. If you have no specific point to make then let's draw a line under this as I have other things to do. Thanks. [[User:Contaldo80|Contaldo80]] ([[User talk:Contaldo80|talk]]) 11:51, 27 September 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::I've made my point already. Line drawn. ▫ [[User:Urbane_Legend|Urbane Legend]] <sup>[[User_talk:Urbane_Legend|chinwag]]</sup> 00:09, 6 October 2016 (UTC) |
:::::I've made my point already. Line drawn. ▫ [[User:Urbane_Legend|Urbane Legend]] <sup>[[User_talk:Urbane_Legend|chinwag]]</sup> 00:09, 6 October 2016 (UTC) |
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::<blockquote> If you wouldn't see "David Duchovny is openly straight" then you shouldn't see "Tituss Burgess is openly gay". This is equality.</blockquote> |
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By that reasoning, we would never mention that Ray Charles is blind, or that Robin Gibb is a twin, since we don't routinely mention that other people are sighted and were born singly. It's a terrible argument. -- Heath [[Special:Contributions/184.170.93.196|184.170.93.196]] ([[User talk:184.170.93.196|talk]]) 04:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC) |
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Removed irrelevant info re: sexuality
I've removed the following sentence from the article: Burgess is openly gay as it's irrelevant. Heterosexual actors do not have "openly straight" or "heterosexual" in their articles. ▫ Urbane Legend chinwag 11:19, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
Sexuality
That Titus Burgess is openly gay is a fact. It is also a referenced fact. If other editors wish this fact not to be included in the text of the article, then it is on them to state clearly which aspect of Wikipedia guidance they think is being violated and why. Until that argument is made then I suggest individual editors avoid slipping into edit-warring. Incidentally if one reads the referenced article then Burgess actually says "These young people need visibility and they need to see grown-ups who have it together living their lives". The irony is not lost on me. Contaldo80 (talk) 17:06, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
- Yes, LGBTQ+ visibility is important. I'm gay, so I'm well aware. But Wikipedia is not a soapbox, and just because you feel it's necessary to use Mr Burgess's article this way doesn't make it notable. One of the aims of LGBTQ+ visibility is to make diverse sexuality normal, and in this light Mr Burgess's sexuality is not in and of itself notable. Straight actors and singers don't generally have their sexuality mentioned in their articles. If you wouldn't see "David Duchovny is openly straight" then you shouldn't see "Tituss Burgess is openly gay". This is equality. Unless Burgess is famous for also being an LGBTQ+ activist, in which case, I suggest you find and cite a source and write an appropriate paragraph. A single sentence statement from him in an external article (and that isn't included in the Wikipedia article itself anyway) isn't really enough. ▫ Urbane Legend chinwag 18:36, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
- I don't have to find a source to support the claim he is an activist. He identifies as gay. It's a fact that is sourced. That's sufficient. If you want to bang the drum for civil rights then please do, but this isn't the place for it. Cite the wiki rule that has been violated or move on. Contaldo80 (talk) 21:00, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
- I'm not the one banging the drum; you are, if you think that it's necessary to include every actor's sexuality on their Wikipedia articles. Have you added similar statements on Sandra Bullock's page, or Robin Williams's, or Patrick Stewart's? ▫ Urbane Legend chinwag 01:22, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
- I haven't, but then again I haven't stopped anyone from doing that if that is their desire. I'm interested purely in homosexuality. If you have no specific point to make then let's draw a line under this as I have other things to do. Thanks. Contaldo80 (talk) 11:51, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- I've made my point already. Line drawn. ▫ Urbane Legend chinwag 00:09, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
- I haven't, but then again I haven't stopped anyone from doing that if that is their desire. I'm interested purely in homosexuality. If you have no specific point to make then let's draw a line under this as I have other things to do. Thanks. Contaldo80 (talk) 11:51, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
- I'm not the one banging the drum; you are, if you think that it's necessary to include every actor's sexuality on their Wikipedia articles. Have you added similar statements on Sandra Bullock's page, or Robin Williams's, or Patrick Stewart's? ▫ Urbane Legend chinwag 01:22, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
If you wouldn't see "David Duchovny is openly straight" then you shouldn't see "Tituss Burgess is openly gay". This is equality.
- I don't have to find a source to support the claim he is an activist. He identifies as gay. It's a fact that is sourced. That's sufficient. If you want to bang the drum for civil rights then please do, but this isn't the place for it. Cite the wiki rule that has been violated or move on. Contaldo80 (talk) 21:00, 9 May 2016 (UTC)
By that reasoning, we would never mention that Ray Charles is blind, or that Robin Gibb is a twin, since we don't routinely mention that other people are sighted and were born singly. It's a terrible argument. -- Heath 184.170.93.196 (talk) 04:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)