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Linkspam

While legitimate criticism is appropriate, the nobojo link is clearly linkspam. One could go to any university in the world with a chip on one's shoulder and wind up with a similar ridicule of its culture and policies. If one were forced to go to that school against one's will, it would be an easy thing to have an attitude, and produce such yellow journalism. Whether one agrees with the site author or not is irrelevant. Linkspammers have characteristic patterns, including editing from anonymous sites that do not make any other edits, adding links on multiple pages, adding the link first in line, etc. The link is gone and it's gonna stay gone, as I will, if neccessary notify other linkspam police to keep watch. Pollinator 18:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I'll back you on that. --John Foxe 20:10, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Pollinator 22:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, I'll back you on that.

Greetings, JF. The only reason I created Nobojo.org is because you guys tried this stunt before. I was content just to make minor edits to Wikipedia. JF and Friends inspired Nobojo.org by just this kind of conspiratorial shenanigans. When you refuse to play fairly -- even with your critics -- this is what you get. There is no need for this to get out of hand as before. If it does, it will be entirely of your doing, because I'm going to cut to the chase right from the git-go: My link under "Comments" on the BJU page is fair comment. Stop monkeying with that link, and I'll forego any links on the Bob, Jr., Bob, Sr., Bob III, Bibb Graves, and fundamentalism pages. And I will not edit ANY of those pages, including the BJU page. This is a is the best olive branch I can offer you short of shutting up for your convenience. Would your side shut up for mine? Neither of us should be in the business of trying to silence the other. My links are within Wikipedia's rules and editorial policy, and I'm as much entitled to post/edit here are you are. Shall we learn from our past unpleasantness and agree on an equitable solution now ? Anyone wanting to discuss this can email me at info(at)nobojo.zzn.com. I give you my word that I will not post your comments on my site without your permission as long as they relate to Wikipedia. Thank you. (As a further gesture of respect, I am not going to re-post my link to any of those pages -- except the BJU page -- until you've read this and responded. But the first time anyone deletes my link on the BJU page, then I'm going to resume exercising my full editorial rights within Wikipedia guidelines.) I'll play squarely by Wikipedia's rules. Will you? -- Nobojo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.35.62 (talk • contribs) 22:39, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

See WP:POINT. It is clearcut spam, and now that we see your reasoning for doing it, it's also another violation of policy.Pollinator 03:59, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Pollinator, I did check that link. It's about disrupting Wikipedia to make a point. All I want is a link on the BJU page under Comments where it's entitled to be. That's not disrupting Wikipedia. What you guys are conspiring to do is, in fact, a violation of the very policy you cited. And furthermore, I've cited no "reasoning for doing it" other than I'm as entitled to post appropriate links in appropriate places as you are. (If you're referring to my stated "reason" for creating Nobojo.org, my motives may be anathema to you, but my "reasons" for creating a critical website are irrelevant as far as Wikipedia's rules are concerned.) Back to the point: I'm not asking your permission to post appropriate links in appropriate places. I'm offering a way that we can all be adults here. Again, I am offering to not avail myself of certain Wikipedia pages as a gesture of peace. I'm waiting for someone -- JF, possibly? -- to step up to the plate and let's nip the editorial unpleasantness in the bud. But I'm not going to keep arguing with you if you're just hellbent on running a censorship contest. -- Nobojo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.35.62 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

You cannot "bargain" for links. Either the link passes our external links policy or it doesn't. Your link doesn't. Accept this and move on. — Saxifrage ✎ 05:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

For those combatting this user's linkspam, here is a useful link: All articles with nobojo.org links. I just cleaned up the last spate. — Saxifrage ✎ 18:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

nobojo I've said all along I'll abide by Wikipedia's policies. If this is their policy, I'll abide by it. 700+ hits in the site's first three days, hardly any from Wikipedia. Move on? You bet your sweet "wiki"!

The kind of bargaining for links you tried above is not permitted. Offering to trade the lack of WP:EL-prohibited links on a particular page in exchange for others allowing a WP:EL-prohibted link on another page is just not done. By contrast, discussion and mediation are intended to reconcile disagreements about what is permitted by policy and what would be good for the article, not in what circumstances we can make exceptions to the rules.

My perspective on Bob Jones University and your page might be enlightening, since it shows the separation of personal opinion and editorial opinion. I thoroughly disagree with the political and social agenda of fundamentalist christianity. However, I agree that Wikipedia's editorial standards against personal-page linking and for requiring reliable sources are good for the project and our readers. And so, I remove your link even though I agree with its message. — Saxifrage ✎ 19:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

nobojo Peace, dude!