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::::::::::I feel I should defend the Yarnell blurb, as I proposed it and tweaked it. See the full discussion here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/June_2013#.5BPosted.5D_Yarnell_Hill_Fire]. I don't propose much at ITN/C so wasn't thinking in terms of agreed policy but rather simply trying to write a neutral blurb that worked for the story. You'll see in the comments that ThaddeusB also picked up on my linking of the country name. [[User:CaptRik|CaptRik]] ([[User talk:CaptRik|talk]]) 07:23, 11 July 2013 (UTC) |
::::::::::I feel I should defend the Yarnell blurb, as I proposed it and tweaked it. See the full discussion here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates/June_2013#.5BPosted.5D_Yarnell_Hill_Fire]. I don't propose much at ITN/C so wasn't thinking in terms of agreed policy but rather simply trying to write a neutral blurb that worked for the story. You'll see in the comments that ThaddeusB also picked up on my linking of the country name. [[User:CaptRik|CaptRik]] ([[User talk:CaptRik|talk]]) 07:23, 11 July 2013 (UTC) |
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::: The best comparison would be June 21st's "75,000 people are evacuated from their homes during flooding in Calgary, Alberta, Canada", which would indicate the sortof OP has a point - but reading into it an "agenda" is definitely an overreaction. Any indication that [[User:Thryduulf]] (the nominator) is a Quebec nationalist? His user page does not load for me. Anyway, it seems likely that [[Quebec]] has more notability than other provinces, in the same way that most people don't need to be told where [[Catalonia]] is (whereas [[Asturias]] would probably need a mention of Spain for most people to place it) [[Special:Contributions/64.201.173.145|64.201.173.145]] ([[User talk:64.201.173.145|talk]]) 11:54, 11 July 2013 (UTC) |
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Errors in the summary of the featured article
There's a broken internal link, "École Polytechnique", in the first sentence of the summary. --92.40.47.104 (talk) 00:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- Note to admins: the IP is right on that. I was literally just about to post the same thing. Hurricane Clyde 🌀my talk page! 00:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- I've removed the language template for now. This has happened before, and I can't remember what the proper fix is. Without the template, it does display correctly. Schwede66 00:10, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think leave it removed. We discussed this with regard to the overall bold link the other day and there isn't any longer a French template on that. As proper names which are the English commonly used names I don't think it's proper to have a French template anyway. — Amakuru (talk) 00:19, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Errors with "In the news"
Errors in "Did you know ..."
- ... that the political opposition in Saint Kitts and Nevis has viewed the national broadcaster, ZIZ, as a government mouthpiece?
- We don't even say who the opposition was, even in the article! Secretlondon (talk) 22:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Sadly, neither does the source. RoySmith (talk) 22:31, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Our source says "around the turn of the 21st century". They have free and fair elections according to our article, and the government changed hands in March 2000. Without any specifics this factoid may not be worth very much. Secretlondon (talk) 22:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's OK as is, but if another admin feels the need to pull it, I won't object. RoySmith (talk) 22:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- It seems rather too vague... Without a definite named person or organisation to which to attribute this sentiment, I don't think it's a definite sourced fact or compliant with WP:INTEXT myself. — Amakuru (talk) 00:22, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's OK as is, but if another admin feels the need to pull it, I won't object. RoySmith (talk) 22:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- Our source says "around the turn of the 21st century". They have free and fair elections according to our article, and the government changed hands in March 2000. Without any specifics this factoid may not be worth very much. Secretlondon (talk) 22:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Errors in "On this day"
The Halifax Explosion link describes it as "the second largest accidental explosion" but the Halifax Explosion article and List of Largest Accidental Explosions both describe it as the largest accidental explosion. Which is correct? Largely Legible Layman (talk) 00:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
Errors in the summary of the featured list
Errors in the summary of the featured picture
General discussion
Today's featured story . . . a public service?
I know nothing about the process by which Today's Featured Article is selected, but I have to ask--is today's selection purely coincidental, or is designed to help clarify things for people unfamilar with the terminology in this story in today's news? If so, it kind of seems to be in bad taste, but, meh . . . HuskyHuskie (talk) 18:22, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
- purely coincidental. GB fan 18:33, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
- Considering the article was scheduled almost two weeks ago, purely coincidental. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:31, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
- Indeed it was - and I must admit that the possibility of a link between the two would not even have occurred to me had it not been raised here. BencherliteTalk 14:51, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
#5 website source?
So, saw this year's donation drive ad, and just had to wonder, what is the basis of Wikipedia being the #5 website? Alexa lists it as #7: http://www.alexa.com/topsites
Even wikipedia it's self cites it at #6, based on outdated Alexa info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_websites — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.206.3.38 (talk • contribs) 09:11, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- The ranking is based on data from comScore. Pcoombe (WMF) (talk) 14:38, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Lol, cherry-picking sources wikipedia seems to be.--85.211.117.11 (talk) 15:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Not really. comScore are a major provider of such analytics, used by many companies and organizations. They donated access to their data a few years ago, and the Wikimedia Foundation has consistently used it for measuring reach since then. m:User:Stu/comScore data on Wikimedia is a little old, but has good information. Pcoombe (WMF) (talk) 16:09, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- For what it is worth, Alexa data has about the same level of reliability as Nielsen ratings, for similar reasons. - Tenebris 04:15, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Separatist propaganda
I see that according to whoever writes the stuff on the Main Page, Lac-Mégantic is only located in Quebec, and Canada is not mentioned.
Why are you using a tragedy to promote the Quebec separatist agenda? This is the kind of stuff that I unfortunately expect from the French Wikipedia (which has always had a terrible separatist POV-pushing problem), but I thought the English Wikipedia was somewhat better regarding this kind of stuff. 198.168.27.221 (talk) 19:54, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- Doubt that the editor who wrote the blurb has any interest in Quebec nationalism. It would be wise to assume good faith and not read into things too much. --Somchai Sun (talk) 20:07, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure it is written down anywhere, but geographic locations in the U.S. and Canada are disambiguated only by the U.S. states and Canadian provinces they are in, and don't usually include "Canada" or "U.S." in the descriptions. We have thousands of examples to choose from, none involving this, and it has nothing to to with Quebec Separatism. It's just sort of the way things are done. There's no need to see spooks here: there's no overt or covert attempt to make any political statement. --Jayron32 20:33, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- While that's the case for article titles, we've never had clear consensus on whether to follow the practice for ITN and this tends to be fairly controversial whenever it comes up. That said, the most common complain is US bias, not Quebec or whatever state separatism. Nil Einne (talk) 22:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- From my experience, U.S. is always listed after American entries, so the OP does sort of have a point. Hot Stop talk-contribs 01:49, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Well, I've been going through every addition which included U.S. or Canada place names. The previous one was the West, Texas fertilizer explosion, which does not mention U.S.: [1]. Before that one, it was the Newton, Connecticut school shooting. Again no "U.S.": [2]. The one before that was Hurricane Sandy's landfall, south of Atlantic City, New Jersey, again with no "U.S.": [3]. There were no more blurbs in the past year that have mentioned a U.S. or Canadian placename overtly, so I've stopped looking, but from this small sample, we've not, in the past year, every used a disambiguator other than state or province, when necessary. --Jayron32 02:12, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- From just a week ago "Nineteen firefighters are killed battling a wildfire in the U.S. state of Arizona." [4] Hot Stop talk-contribs 02:19, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- We're discussing the use of the phrasing "Locality, Division" not merely any mention of U.S. states or Canadian provinces. The OP is objecting about the formulation "Locality, Division" as opposed to "Locality, Country" or "Locality, Division, Country". Yes, we do call U.S. states U.S. states, but what we don't do is disambiguate localities by the country in these cases. At least, we've not done it once in the past year. And I don't have another 45-60 minutes to search item-by-item through July 2011-July 2012 for the year before that, but I don't ever remember using the "Locality, Division, Country" or "Locality, Country" for U.S. or Canadian placenames. I've you want to search and prove me wrong, be my guest. --Jayron32 02:25, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, the same item was originally posted as "Yarnell, United States" [5] Hot Stop talk-contribs 02:35, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Fair enough. You can win today. --Jayron32 02:38, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- I feel I should defend the Yarnell blurb, as I proposed it and tweaked it. See the full discussion here [6]. I don't propose much at ITN/C so wasn't thinking in terms of agreed policy but rather simply trying to write a neutral blurb that worked for the story. You'll see in the comments that ThaddeusB also picked up on my linking of the country name. CaptRik (talk) 07:23, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Fair enough. You can win today. --Jayron32 02:38, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Okay, the same item was originally posted as "Yarnell, United States" [5] Hot Stop talk-contribs 02:35, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- We're discussing the use of the phrasing "Locality, Division" not merely any mention of U.S. states or Canadian provinces. The OP is objecting about the formulation "Locality, Division" as opposed to "Locality, Country" or "Locality, Division, Country". Yes, we do call U.S. states U.S. states, but what we don't do is disambiguate localities by the country in these cases. At least, we've not done it once in the past year. And I don't have another 45-60 minutes to search item-by-item through July 2011-July 2012 for the year before that, but I don't ever remember using the "Locality, Division, Country" or "Locality, Country" for U.S. or Canadian placenames. I've you want to search and prove me wrong, be my guest. --Jayron32 02:25, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- From just a week ago "Nineteen firefighters are killed battling a wildfire in the U.S. state of Arizona." [4] Hot Stop talk-contribs 02:19, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Well, I've been going through every addition which included U.S. or Canada place names. The previous one was the West, Texas fertilizer explosion, which does not mention U.S.: [1]. Before that one, it was the Newton, Connecticut school shooting. Again no "U.S.": [2]. The one before that was Hurricane Sandy's landfall, south of Atlantic City, New Jersey, again with no "U.S.": [3]. There were no more blurbs in the past year that have mentioned a U.S. or Canadian placename overtly, so I've stopped looking, but from this small sample, we've not, in the past year, every used a disambiguator other than state or province, when necessary. --Jayron32 02:12, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- From my experience, U.S. is always listed after American entries, so the OP does sort of have a point. Hot Stop talk-contribs 01:49, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- The best comparison would be June 21st's "75,000 people are evacuated from their homes during flooding in Calgary, Alberta, Canada", which would indicate the sortof OP has a point - but reading into it an "agenda" is definitely an overreaction. Any indication that User:Thryduulf (the nominator) is a Quebec nationalist? His user page does not load for me. Anyway, it seems likely that Quebec has more notability than other provinces, in the same way that most people don't need to be told where Catalonia is (whereas Asturias would probably need a mention of Spain for most people to place it) 64.201.173.145 (talk) 11:54, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- While that's the case for article titles, we've never had clear consensus on whether to follow the practice for ITN and this tends to be fairly controversial whenever it comes up. That said, the most common complain is US bias, not Quebec or whatever state separatism. Nil Einne (talk) 22:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not sure it is written down anywhere, but geographic locations in the U.S. and Canada are disambiguated only by the U.S. states and Canadian provinces they are in, and don't usually include "Canada" or "U.S." in the descriptions. We have thousands of examples to choose from, none involving this, and it has nothing to to with Quebec Separatism. It's just sort of the way things are done. There's no need to see spooks here: there's no overt or covert attempt to make any political statement. --Jayron32 20:33, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
Wikinews link
What happened to the Wikinews link in the news section? I noticed that it's missing because I usually follow it to go to Wikinews after checking the Wikipedia main page. Ragettho (talk) 03:42, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- It was removed, per this RFC. - Evad37 (talk) 03:47, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
- Just scroll down to the sister-projects section there's a large icon with an adjacent link to en.WN. Tony (talk) 05:29, 11 July 2013 (UTC)