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I have corrected the sentence "[...]limiting the size and power of these kingdoms and dividing them into smaller ones new commanderies." to say "into smaller new commanderies" since the previous phrasing was clearly incorrect, and it seemed the intent was to say "new commanderies". However, I have no familiarity with the subject, and it is plausible that what was meant was "smaller new kingdoms", and that there is a significant difference between kingdoms and commanderies. I wanted to bring this to the attention of anyone knowledgeable about the |
I have corrected the sentence "[...]limiting the size and power of these kingdoms and dividing them into smaller ones new commanderies." to say "into smaller new commanderies" since the previous phrasing was clearly incorrect, and it seemed the intent was to say "new commanderies". However, I have no familiarity with the subject, and it is plausible that what was meant was "smaller new kingdoms", and that there is a significant difference between kingdoms and commanderies. I wanted to bring this to the attention of anyone knowledgeable about the subject so that they may correct the information as appropriate.[[Special:Contributions/64.201.173.145|64.201.173.145]] ([[User talk:64.201.173.145|talk]]) 16:54, 9 July 2013 (UTC) |
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Nonsense
"at the time. Antoninus Pius died in AD 161. The confusion arises because Marcus Aurelius took as additional names, those of his predecessor as a mark of respect. He is referred to in Chinese history as An Tun (= Antoninus) hence the confusion]--> reached the Chinese capital Luoyang in 166 and was greeted by Emperor Huan."
What has this to do with the Han-Dynasty??
Living descendants today?
Was the Han Dynasty completely extinguished? Are there living descendants of the dynasty nowadays? And what about of other Chinese dynasties? --Lecen (talk) 22:03, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
- No one? --Lecen (talk) 00:09, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
- As far as I know, there are only known descendants of the Manchu Qing Dynasty. I'm sure millions of people could try and claim they are descendants of the line of Han emperors, considering how far back in history it is. Sort of like how a modern European could claim loose descent from Julius Caesar and what not. It's really not important in regards to the substance of this article, though. As for the Qing Dynasty, this idea seems far more relevant. --Pericles of AthensTalk 07:34, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- there are known descendants of the ming emperors.Rajmaan (talk) 06:29, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
- As far as I know, there are only known descendants of the Manchu Qing Dynasty. I'm sure millions of people could try and claim they are descendants of the line of Han emperors, considering how far back in history it is. Sort of like how a modern European could claim loose descent from Julius Caesar and what not. It's really not important in regards to the substance of this article, though. As for the Qing Dynasty, this idea seems far more relevant. --Pericles of AthensTalk 07:34, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
"Later Han Dynasty"
The usage of Later Han Dynasty is up for discussion, see Talk:Later Han dynasty (Five Dynasties) -- 70.24.250.26 (talk) 07:58, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Flag
I found a flag and drew it, then uploaded it. It's File:Han Chinese Flag.png. I think it's official. Shikku27316 (talk) 00:43, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
- Uh, barring the fact that you used the wrong font in replicating the flag, we don't have any evidence that this design was the one they used two thousand years ago. _dk (talk) 02:09, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
- Okay. I just saw it on a search, and it was taken in China, around other flags, so I figured it may mean something. Even if it's just an ethnic flag. Shikku27316 (talk) 21:50, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Dynasty or empire
A small problem in terminology: in the infobox, the caption on the map refers to it as the Han Dynasty. Strictly speaking, a dynasty consists of a number of rulers, that is people, whereas a map shows the empire they ruled. So it seems to me the caption should be changed to Han Empire, both here and in the hook that's now in the queue to appear as a DYK. I could change it here, but not in the queue, since I'm not an admin. Also, in the DYK hook, "pictured" should be changed to "shown", since a map isn't a picture. Hope this helps. Awien (talk) 10:00, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- The first time I've heard of "Han Empire"... ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:54, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- I disagree. Nobody says that a dynasty should have a number of rulers ruling all at once. During the Han Dynasty, you had Liu Bang, who more or less started this period. Power then passed on to his descendants, including Liu Bei, and the Han Dynasty went on to become one of the longest-lived dynasties in Chinese history. I hope I've got my stuff right. :P ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 12:54, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. I meant that a dynasty consists of a series of rulers, one after the other. But a map shows the realm/empire/lands/? over which the dynasty ruled, not the dynasty as such. Does that make more sense? Awien (talk) 13:02, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Btw, when nobody seemed to be around, I asked an admin, Crisco1492, what he thought about tweaking the DYK hook. I wasn't trying to go over people's heads, it was just that time's short. Awien (talk) 13:06, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Just checked: the description of the actual map in question calls it "Han Dynasty empire 87 BC". Awien (talk) 13:09, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Here's another map that calls it an empire: [1] Awien (talk) 13:12, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- So specifically, the tweak I'm suggesting for the hook is: ... that the Han Dynasty (empire shown) decided to intervene in a war between Minyue and Eastern Ou because of a belief in the Son of Heaven's mandate as emperor, a Chinese political and philosophical concept?
- And after all, an emperor rules over an empire, doesn't he? Awien (talk) 13:34, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
- Since time is so short, I've gone ahead and changed the caption. If there are no objections, that will allow an admin to change the hook. Best, Awien (talk) 13:57, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Smaller new kingdoms or commanderies?
I have corrected the sentence "[...]limiting the size and power of these kingdoms and dividing them into smaller ones new commanderies." to say "into smaller new commanderies" since the previous phrasing was clearly incorrect, and it seemed the intent was to say "new commanderies". However, I have no familiarity with the subject, and it is plausible that what was meant was "smaller new kingdoms", and that there is a significant difference between kingdoms and commanderies. I wanted to bring this to the attention of anyone knowledgeable about the subject so that they may correct the information as appropriate.64.201.173.145 (talk) 16:54, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
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