Talk:Telescoping effect

Feels like yesterday...?

Is this the same thing as when people say "Feels like we just met yesterday," or, conversely, "I feel like I took that test forever ago..."? Thanks,--Uhjoebilly (talk) 05:02, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Telescoping effect outline

We are working on the article on telescoping effect for our cognitive psychology class. Based on the research we have done, this is a preliminary outline of our page:

• General Definition and Research

• The Importance of Telescoping Effect

• Models of the Telescoping Effect:
• Date Estimation

• Modifiers of Effect

• Developmental

• Childhood Memories

*Aging

• Smoking and Alcohol

• Marketing

• Minimizing the telescoping effect

Reference and textbook sources

Potential Sources

Kcsmit (talk) 15:16, 15 February 2013 (UTC) Brcurtin (talk) 15:17, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kcsmit and Brcurtin! I didn't check all of your sources, but those I checked were all WP:primary sources, that is, results of single studies. However, Wikipedia is not an academic paper or essay! Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources (for instance, journal reviews and professional or advanced academic textbooks) and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources (such as undergraduate textbooks). WP:MEDRS describes how to identify reliable sources for medical information, which is a good guideline for many psychology articles as well. So please, reconsider your choice of sources and use secondary sources instead! With friendly regards, Lova Falk talk 20:11, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Lova Fov. We are currently looking for more sources. If you have any recommendations, please let us know. Brcurtin (talk) 22:46, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I couldn't find any - so I guess there's nothing else to do than to use the primary sources. Sometimes in the introduction of a study, there is a summary of results of previous studies and that can be a valuable source of information. With friendly regards, Lova Falk talk 19:35, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. Brcurtin (talk) 01:24, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Some other sources

• Hölscher, Frank (18 October 2009). "Differences between men and women in the course of opiate dependence: is there a telescoping effect?". European Archives of Psychiatry and Clinical Neuroscience. 260 (3): 235–241. doi:10.1007/s00406-009-0053-x. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Alcohol:
  • Osain Welcome, M. (NaN undefined NaN). "P03-231 - The telescoping effect of alcohol: true or false?". European Psychiatry. 25: 1298. doi:10.1016/S0924-9338(10)71285-2. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  • Keyes, K. M. (3 May 2010). "Telescoping and Gender Differences in Alcohol Dependence: New Evidence From Two National Surveys". American Journal of Psychiatry. 167 (8): 969–976. doi:10.1176/appi.ajp.2009.09081161. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  • Zilberman, M (2003). "Gender similarities and differences: the prevalence and course of alcohol- and other substance-related disorders". Journal of addictive diseases. 22 (4): 61–74. PMID 14723478. {{cite journal}}: Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  • Alvanzo, AA (2011 Nov 1). "Race/ethnicity and sex differences in progression from drinking initiation to the development of alcohol dependence". Drug and alcohol dependence. 118 (2–3): 375–82. PMID 21652154. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Smoking
  • Kushner, MG (2012 Nov). "Greater elevation in risk for nicotine dependence per pack of cigarettes smoked among those with an anxiety disorder". Journal of studies on alcohol and drugs. 73 (6): 920–4. PMID 23036209. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Janssen, Steve M. J. (NaN undefined NaN). "Memory for time: How people date events". Memory & Cognition. 34 (1): 138–147. doi:10.3758/bf03193393. {{cite journal}}: Check date values in: |date= (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
• Kupek, Emil (1 January 2002). BMC Medical Research Methodology. 2 (1): 14. doi:10.1186/1471-2288-2-14. {{cite journal}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)CS1 maint: unflagged free DOI (link)

pages/chapters in books (tertiary):

• Gary L. Fisher; Nancy A. Roget (11 November 2008). Encyclopedia of Substance Abuse Prevention, Treatment, and Recovery. SAGE. p. 424. ISBN 978-1-4129-5084-8. Retrieved 6 March 2013.
• Sarah E. Romans, M.D.; Mary V. Seeman (2006). Women's Mental Health: A Life-Cycle Approach. Lippincott Williams & Wilkins. p. 182. ISBN 978-0-7817-5129-2. Retrieved 6 March 2013.

I couldn't find a meta-analysis, which is disappointing. You could also use pages/chapters from reference books which would be tertiary material. Smallman12q (talk) 19:47, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the sources. We will look at these and continue to look for others. Brcurtin (talk) 21:01, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Peer reviewers, Kendra and I's last revision was on March 21 at 3:30. Thanks for looking over our page! Brcurtin (talk) 20:50, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Smallman12q, thanks for nominating our article and helping us with our article. We also noticed that you created a link to a blank Ferdi Elsas page on the telescoping page, we were wondering if you were planning to fill that page with more information or if we should remove that link because the page is blank? Thanks, Brcurtin (talk) 19:53, 12 April 2013 (UTC) and Kendra

Red links are a good thing since (even if a bit unesthethic) since they may drive an editor with the knowledge to start the article... It is like it is screaming at you "Are you bold enough?": See WP:RED, which in a nutshell says "Red links for subjects that should have articles but do not are not only acceptable, but needed in the articles. They serve as a clear indication of which articles are in need of creation, and encourage it."

Bests.--Garrondo (talk) 20:24, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK

I've filed a nomination for Wikipedia:Did you know at Template:Did you know nominations. Once it goes through, it'll appear on the front page in the "Did You Know" section. You can follow it below. Cheers.Smallman12q (talk) 18:34, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Comments for improvement

Due to the lack of secondary sources in the article (independently of whether they are out there or not) I do not feel that I can talk much about the content itself. However I will try to make some comments on how to improve the article.

As first idea: See WP:lead, where it is explained how the lead of an article should be. In summary: it should summarize the ideas of the article. It should also be short (specially for a short article like this one, and not technical. Right now it does not fulfill any of those characteristics.

• You could (should) move any content that is not present in the body of the article to existing or new sections: Examples of possible new sections to move content from lead: description, history, famous examples.
• You could then summarize the article in the lead in a non technical manner including some info from each section.

I paste here some further comments on format that I made at the deep dyslexia article; in which some of your class-mates are working, and that also apply here (Examples are from their article, but as I say, similar mistakes appear also in your article).

• Capital letters: I do not think that the models are names by themselves. I do not think they merit the use of title case. In text I would change them to lower case (and unbolded as proposed above): e.g. I would change The Morton and Patterson (Dual Route) Model is based upon the to The Morton and Patterson (dual route) model is based upon the. Similarly titles should be changed to sentence case (e.g:Dual Route Model would be Dual route model).

• I would also increase the number of technical or important (for the article) terms linked from this article.

• Another recommendation at this moment is that you try to increase the numbers of articles linking to this one (In a sensible way: the idea is not to do inside wiki spamming :-). In which articles would make sense to have an in-text link to this article? In which others makes lots of sense to include this article in the see also section? If you are not sure on how to do it you can say here possible related articles and we can take a look at them and how to do it.

Bests.--Garrondo (talk) 16:09, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Development

Psychologists have studied the telescoping effect in children because a person’s development can have a significant impact on his or her memory. Telescoping occurs at all ages, but to different degrees. Older children have a greater tendency to telescope earlier memories and a weaker tendency to telescope recent memories than younger children. Children’s telescoping errors occur for their earliest memories. This finding is significant because it probably occurs for adults as well, and therefore people’s earliest memories are reported as more recent than they actually are. This finding indicates that the earliest memories reported in childhood amnesia literature should be questioned because they may have occurred earlier than they are reported.

Many older adults claim time speeds up as they get older, which can be explained by forward telescoping. Since forward telescoping leads people to underestimate the amount of time that has occurred since an event, people may feel as if time has passed quickly when they discover the true amount of time since that event. This explanation is one reason for why people perceive time as moving faster as they age, but it does not take into account changes in the amount of telescoping that occurs with age. People are best at accurately identifying dates when they are ages 35-50. Participants age 60 and older show a decrease in the degree of forward telescoping and tend to date events too remotely instead of too recently. The sensation of time speeding up may be derived from the fact that time is subjectively longer and therefore people assume that the time must be going by more quickly.