Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 March 25

March 25

Category:Free energy suppression proponents

• Propose renaming Category:Free energy suppression proponents to Category:Free energy suppression conspiracy theorists

Nominator's rationale: Rename. The current name could be interpreted as meaning people who support the idea that free energy should be suppressed. These are people who have promoted the conspiracy theory known as "free energy suppression". It is a subcategory of Category:Conspiracy theorists and the proposed name matches the general format of the other subcategories. This is a borderline speedy C2C, but I thought it better to perhaps bring it here. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 21:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Rename. Conspiracy theorist is of course a laden term, but the present label, proponents is positively wrong. If a neutral label for these people who "advocate the position the free energy science and technologies are being suppressed" can be agreed upon, that would be the best. __meco (talk) 13:34, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Category:Alpinism

• Propose merging Category:Alpinism to Category:Mountaineering

Nominator's rationale: The Alpinism article redirects to Mountaineering because the two are the same thing. ("Mountaineering is often called Alpinism..." from the mountaineering article.) Having two categories for the same topic is redundant, especially when a lot of the articles in the Alpinism category are simultaneously in the Mountaineering category or subcategory thereof. Nathan Johnson (talk) 14:52, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

• merge. The shades of meaning between the two terms is not sufficient to merit separate categories. I've also notified the climbing wikiproject of this discussion. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:06, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Category:Nikola Tesla

Convert Category:Nikola Tesla to article Nikola Tesla

Nominator's rationale: Convert. Very unsimilar sub-categories. The sub-categories are now just a mish-mash of things, without any explanation. Main Nikola Tesla article should be sufficient/better. FrankRadioSpecial (talk) 13:15, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

• oppose - not sure what the goal is here - do you want to listify the contents of the category and reference them in the article? We do have categories for certain notable individuals when there are many articles that are related to them - in this case, the category makes sense to me as is. --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 15:08, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
• Procedural close unclear nomination. Nikola Tesla already exists, and this category does not contain extensive descriptions, it's only a category in content, not an article created in the wrong namespace. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 00:10, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
• Keep, but purge of articles like Three-phase for which NT is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic. DexDor (talk) 06:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Category:Pan-Europeanism

• Propose renaming Category:Pan-Europeanism to Category:Pan-European identity

Nominator's rationale: Per main article. Alternately, move the article, but there is no reason for these two to be differently named. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:13, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

• Rename per nom Under the current name it can be confused with Pan-European nationalism, which is a distinct concept. Dimadick (talk) 10:03, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose - what on earth do subcats European Broadcasting Union‎, International E-road network‎, European Space Agency‎ or Pan-European stock market indices have do do with "identity" (sic). They are administrative or governmental topics, not identity-driven. And is article European Hot 100 Singles about "identity"? Err... no. At least no more than any other music chart on the entire planet. --Mais oui! (talk) 17:17, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Category:American skeptics

• Propose deleting Category:American skeptics - Template:Lc1
  

Nominator's rationale: Delete. Your article on skepticism which this category points to basically has a wide range of skeptics. Basically any one who doubts the dominant paradigm is a skeptic. Agnostics atheists ufologists conspiracy theorists are obviously included but so are third party supporters vegetarians climate change skeptics holocaust skeptics people who have any off the wall or minority views on anything Mayan calendar aficionados survivalists pacifists those who are skeptical of papal infallibility or of the European Union the electoral college or whether evolution is true or whether the earth is 6000 years old or 4 billion which is the skeptic and when. 24.7.178.138 (talk) 02:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

• Keep Did you bother checking the articles? The persons included are not the kind of people you describe. George O. Abell was "passionate about debunking pseudoscientific claims" and was both a member of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry and a contributor of the Skeptical Inquirer. Steve Allen was a member of "the Council for Media Integrity, a group that debunked pseudoscientific claims". Jerry Andrus was a lecturer at skeptics conventions and workshops such as the Skeptic's Toolbox. Marcia Angell has published books and articles criticizing goals and claims of the United States healthcare system, the pharmaceutical industry, and alternative medicine. Comparing them with the medical evidence actually point to. I think you misrepresent the category and what it is about. Dimadick (talk) 10:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
• Delete This category links unlike things. The various people where the categorization makes any sense at all, opposed specific claims by specific people. This is mixing religious skepticism, skepticism towards paranormal claims, skepticism towards alternative memory and many other things. It makes no sense to claim there is one centralized approach to skepticism, these people, where the categorization makes sense at all, are skeptical about specific claims, and grouping them together makes no sense. This is not an overarching philosophy or movement, it is specified opposition to specific things that has no overarching unity.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:02, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
• comment There is also the whole Category:Skeptics by country tree that should be considered at the same time. I'm not sure if it makes sense to split this by religious vs scientific skeptics? --Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 19:24, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
• Selective merge to appropriate sub-cats of Category:Religious skeptics; if any are notable for philosophical skepticism, rename as category:Skeptic philosphers, as the parent Category:Skeptics is currently part of Category:Philosophers by tradition; and then delete the rest. Note that very little of Category:Philosophers by tradition is broken down by nationality. – Fayenatic London 21:07, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
• keep as is Due attention to the category structure. This is a child of Category:Skeptics by country and a sibling of the latter's children. There is no reason whatsoever to delete this or any of the other such country categories. Hmains (talk) 04:11, 26 March 2013 (UTC)