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This appears to be a non-notable MMA organization. It lacks top ranked fighters and the article has no reliable independent sources to support notability. A query on the MMA talk page produced no support for notability. Papaursa (talk) 23:22, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because these events are not notable. They fail WP:EVENT. In fact, many of them haven't even happened yet.

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 23:22, 18 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

no opinion on main article, merge/delete the events I don't know enough about MMA to be able to judge the notability of the organization, but the events ought to simply be listed in the main article if it survives. Mangoe (talk) 02:46, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This company has been active since late 2008, it followed up after the Cage Rage promotion stopped promoting events under its name, where the part owners of Cage Rage created UCMMA to keep running MMA. there are many sources out on the internet that can prove UCMMA is fully active, their website - http://www.cagerageuk.com/ can prove all of the events that have articles on this page have happened and the ones that haven't are to be all shown by December 3, 2011. The UFC has way more events that haven't happen yet on Wikipedia than any other MMA company has right now. Besides, this page has existed way before I decided to update it frequently, and back then all it said was what events are coming up, what events have happened, who is the champion in each division and notable fighters from the company. For it to be removed now would slow down the progress made already. If deleted, I will simply put them back online within hours of them being removed. Just because there are not as many references about each topic on this page as, say, BAMMA or the UFC doesn't mean to say it is not reliable. If completely necessary, I will take it upon myself to add a few more article references to all pages in question to prove that what is being said on each page is true and reliable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BigzMMA (talk • contribs) 13:43, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all The events are clearly not notable (see WP:MMANOT and WP:EVENT). If some independent sources giving significant coverage can be found for the organization, that would be fine. Right now the organization appears less significant than BAMMA and that's considered a second tier organization. Most importantly, UCMMA lacks top fighters. The fact that a fighter (Nick Chapman) with a grand total of 2 MMA fights is fighting for their light heavyweight title underscores that. Astudent0 (talk) 18:27, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment BigzMMA stripped the AfD notices off of these pages, which I have restored. Editors should watch to make sure that those changes do not get reverted. I'll assume good faith and reason that the editor was only trying to "save" favored pages and did not know that this disruptive maneuver would not halt this AfD discussion. That doesn't mean that editors shouldn't be vigilant of any future actions taken by this editor. Osubuckeyeguy (talk) 19:13, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I do not understand why you are so interested as to why you want these pages removed, in the end of the day it is like I said, the main UCMMA Wikipedia page has already existed prior to me making updates for them, and if you were to look more closely at the references you will see that there are independant sources that have covered UCMMA related topic, I just chose to use the most reliable source as the major reference point, the same system used for BAMMA and the UFC. It is also worth pointing out that there are stars in the making in UCMMA, with the likes of Jimi Manuwa who famously rejected a UFC contract because he felt that in this point of his career that he isn't on the same level as the talent with the UFC and wants to grow his skills before accepting an offer. Also up and comers such as champions Cory Tait, John Maguire (who is UFC bound as we speak) and Oli Thompson (again going into the UFC) are part of this organisation. The question about these pages is not about is it even relevant to stay on Wikipedia but is it accurate enough to be consider a real organisation? The answer for that question is yes. Why you ask? Well because this company's every existence is as relevant as Cage Rage's relevance, fighters who have fought in both Cage Rage and UCMMA, such as Alex Reid, Michael Bisping, Anderson Silva, Vitor Belfort, and Ian Freeman, all major names in the world of MMA, and all involved with either or both Cage Rage and UCMMA. For these reasons I question your true motives for wanting this page removed, as it answers all the criteria, for if it didn't I would most likely never of been as interested in UCMMA as I have been, and that your words saying that you lack knowledge of MMA suggest you may not know more than the UFC is the biggest MMA company and you may not even know what the sport is about, what is allowed to be done in a bout etc. I urge the people behind Wikipedia to NOT remove these pages due to baseless motives for this. Beside, the UCMMA page already existed before I began regularly updating it, which means it never has been a problem before.

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 *'''Delete all''' The events are clearly not notable (see [[WP:MMANOT]] and [[WP:EVENT]]).  If some independent sources giving significant coverage can be found for the organization, that would be fine.  Right now the organization appears less significant than BAMMA and that's considered a second tier organization.  Most importantly, UCMMA lacks top fighters.  The fact that a fighter (Nick Chapman) with a grand total of 2 MMA fights is fighting for their light heavyweight title underscores that. [[User:Astudent0|Astudent0]] ([[User talk:Astudent0|talk]]) 18:27, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
 *'''Comment''' [[User:BigzMMA|BigzMMA]] stripped the AfD notices off of these pages, which I have restored. Editors should watch to make sure that those changes do not get reverted. I'll assume good faith and reason that the editor was only trying to "save" favored pages and did not know that this disruptive maneuver would not halt this AfD discussion. That doesn't mean that editors shouldn't be vigilant of any future actions taken by this editor. [[User:Osubuckeyeguy|Osubuckeyeguy]] ([[User talk:Osubuckeyeguy|talk]]) 19:13, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
+*First of all, I do not understand why you are so interested as to why you want these pages removed, in the end of the day it is like I said, the main UCMMA Wikipedia page has already existed prior to me making updates for them, and if you were to look more closely at the references you will see that there are independant sources that have covered UCMMA related topic, I just chose to use the most reliable source as the major reference point, the same system used for BAMMA and the UFC. It is also worth pointing out that there are stars in the making in UCMMA, with the likes of [[Jimi Manuwa]] who famously rejected a UFC contract because he felt that in this point of his career that he isn't on the same level as the talent with the UFC and wants to grow his skills before accepting an offer. Also up and comers such as champions [[Cory Tait]], [[John Maguire (fighter)|John Maguire]] (who is UFC bound as we speak) and [[Oli Thompson]] (again going into the UFC) are part of this organisation. The question about these pages is not about is it even relevant to stay on Wikipedia but is it accurate enough to be consider a real organisation? The answer for that question is yes. Why you ask? Well because this company's every existence is as relevant as [[Cage Rage]]'s relevance, fighters who have fought in both Cage Rage and UCMMA, such as [[Alex Reid (fighter)|Alex Reid]], [[Michael Bisping]], [[Anderson Silva]], [[Vitor Belfort]], and [[Ian Freeman]], all major names in the world of MMA, and all involved with either or both Cage Rage and UCMMA. For these reasons I question your true motives for wanting this page removed, as it answers all the criteria, for if it didn't I would most likely never of been as interested in UCMMA as I have been, and that your words saying that you lack knowledge of MMA suggest you may not know more than the UFC is the biggest MMA company and you may not even know what the sport is about, what is allowed to be done in a bout etc. I urge the people behind Wikipedia to NOT remove these pages due to baseless motives for this. Beside, the UCMMA page already existed before I began regularly updating it, which means it never has been a problem before.