Talk:Exercise

Exercise has been renamed and moved to Physical exercise.

Andrewjuren 08:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Sources for the first paragraph poor and lacking

Could anyone please add some extra sources to the first paragraph, the one that has an url in the citation ( http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/343/1/16 ) does not establish any good relationship for physical exercise and lower rates of "diseases of affluence" that can be called anything better than just plain poor.

The study also doesn't supply much data that is different from their main variables, shown in the tables accompanying the paper, it acknowledges this by mentioning the effects nutrients might have on their results. It mentions that the variables they're studying have influence on each other, but doesn't mention that this influence is major as they're categorizing their control group by risk.

The second source doesn't have an url to it, so I can't even say anything about that content.

Major claims are unsourced, to quote "It also improves mental health and helps prevent depression. Childhood obesity is a growing global concern and physical exercise may help decrease the effects of childhood obesity in developed countries."

"weight loss or maintenance" (maintenance should be reworded as it implies that without exercise your body is unmaintained without defining the amount of exercise that is needed for "maintenance") is dubious as best, as I've read somewhere that the weight loss disappears over a time of months when the exercising and or diet stops and a high amount of people regain their weight. It's also common for people who burn more to eat more so the weight losing effect is minimal and the main effect is turning fat into muscle. There are no citations so I can't read up on the topic in scientific papers.

PLEASE increase the credibility by adding a lot more citations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.101.205.224 (talk) 02:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Carbohydrates and muscle mass

What does "muscle-sparing" mean? It's neither linked or explained in the text.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Enkrates (talk • contribs) 21:54, 11 July 2004

Exercise uses up a muscle cell's glycogen reserves. Carbohydrates allow muscle cells to refuel. Without enough carbohydrates in your diet, you will lose muscle mass from exercising. According to this essay, it is ideal to exercise 1.5 to 2 hours after a meal, and to have a meal sometime after exercise to refuel your muscle cells. Chira 19:22, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Sense-think-act

A larger wiki forum on this area may be found on sense-think-act.org which may be of interest to contributors to this area... Szczels 13:03, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No Pain, No Gain?

is this part really necessary???? i know when i train it hurts, i know it doesnt hurt as in injury - but its pain nevertheless, i personally think the statement is too subjective and doesnt fit within the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weightshead (talk • contribs) 3:45, 7 April 2005

I agree, lactic acid creates a "burning" effect and just lifting a heavy weight creates a feeling that could be described as pain. "No pain, no gain" could also be thought of just referring to the exhaustion that one feels after exercise. --Slux 16:58, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I removed that section, i moved the part about DOMS to the intro section. feel free to voice opinions. --weightshead — Preceding undated comment added 18:00, 7 April 2005 (UTC)

Training Effect

I created an article on Training Effect, linked it to two existing articles (Dr. Kenneth H. Cooper and Cooper test), and put a link to it here under see also. The article is in a "stub" state and it is probably premature to expand it into text in this article. Simesa 19:29, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Exercise Hypertension

This phenomenon should be noted somewhere. It is apparently well-known that a significant number of otherwise-healthy people (but often having mild hypertension) get spiking of their systolic to high values (250mm or so ) during moderately vigorous exercise (100W typical). Excessive diastolic rises are also often seen. There is some recent Johns Hopkins work, and other earlier stuff (eg D Kraus 1989 in Drugs, IIRC - Management of Hypertension in Actively Exercising Patients). Linuxlad 12:00, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

I had added a link to this page and put up a request (under Medicine) for an article. If we don't get a response in a few days, I'll write an article myself. Simesa 14:08, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I saw that after writing here. I was tempted myself, but I feel one shouldn't write an article in a medical area unless a 'SQEP' (a term you might recognise?) Bob —Preceding unsigned comment added by Linuxlad (talk • contribs) 14:15, 26 August 2005

I was a System Qualified Reviewer for nuclear, but I think someone can wrte a stub here if they have great references - my experience is that if enough links are posted shortly a fully-qualified editor will come along. Simesa 18:27, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Exercise Benefits - Vigorous v moderate exercise

There appear to be conflicting results on whether vigorous exercise is any better (or worse) for you than moderate exercise, (at least as far as overall health is concerned). I've written this (non) result in, but the boundaries between low, moderate and vigorous (which I've quoted here as 40% and 70% of VO2max) are from memory. Could someone check, please! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Linuxlad (talk • contribs) 11:21 & :24, 10 October 2005

Hey what are the components of physical fitness?? You must be able to complete the article about this. Because all article must have their complete information about the topic or the issue.. Did you get it?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.111.238.18 (talk) 05:09 &:10, 22 June 2007

The third paragraph of this section looks like it was edited poorly and someone left a hanging sentence on the end, looks to be partially deleted... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.207.40.3 (talk) 12:28, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Why does the opening paragraph read ike a disambiguation page?

The opening paragraph might need to be reworked per Wikipedia:Lead section Dalf | Talk 04:22, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Hrm... you have a point there, the article is generally about physical exercise. Before making any changes, I think we should find any possible wikis for the other ambiguous 'exercise' terms to link to them at the top, as some articles do have a mini-disambiguation statement linking to other articles without sacrificing the whole page to disambiguation. --Tyciol 05:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

If one of the topics covered is the main thrust of the article you can create Exercise (disambiguation) and move the disambiguation tasks there. This might involve splitting some sections out form here. Alternately I have seen a number of articles where the topics can all be covered in a relatively short space (Which is what this article looks like it is doing). In that case simply reworking the intro so that it is in paragraph format and not a list and ties them all together briefly addressing each one, should suffice. Personally I think if you decide to go that way eventually someone will suggest that the article be split. I can imaging an article on physical exercise demanding a full length article all on its own. There have been enough books written on it anyway. You might also consider making this page a disambiguation page and moving the bulk of the article to Physical exercise (which incidently currently redirect here). Dalf | Talk 05:19, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

That's a great idea, if there's already a page up. I guess maybe give it some time and fix this article up for the move? That way anyone with this on their watch list can voice any objections. Otherwise say... Feb 1, make the move? All those who say nay are assumed to say I! Oh... *fixes a little unnecessary text* --Tyciol 05:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure how to best execute moves to articles that already exist (even if they are a redirect to the current article). If you want to save the history and talk page hitory you have to get an admin to do it. There is a page for requesting moves. I will poke around and if no one objects I will put the request in, in a day or so. We should wrtie up exactly what we want to do here and add the {{moveto|PAGENAME}} or relavent split templates on this talk page to get peoples attention. Dalf | Talk 07:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, a complicated issue, but at least we're not looking at a merge :p Imagine what hell that would be to undertake. I think this would be a positive step though. Once moved, we can either use exercise as a redirect to physical exercise, or link to it as a disambiguation that uses other definitions of exercise. For exmaple umm... well, in schooling an activity can often be called an exercise, in one's skills rather than necessarily physical, and to exercise one's rights... I bet Wiktionary could help :p --Tyciol 09:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

FALSE!

Do we need the FALSE! it's established that the article is despelling myths. Having FALSE before each one is unencyclopedic and reads more like an infomercial script —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.113.106.92 (talk) 01:29, 25 January 2006

Agreed. Andrewjuren 01:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Picture and Pushups: resolution

This is just going back and forth and turning into an edit war. I will never agree that the central figure is doing a proper pushup, it's a bad example for one. If we continue to keep this picture, I will have to revert it. To resolve it though, perhaps we could replace it with a different picture of pushups, or perhaps a different physical exercise altogether. This is a very silly issue to continue wasting our time over, especially with an upcoming move to physical exercise being imminent. No, they did NOT have to perform a proper pushup to reach an improper pushup position, it doesn't even make sense. I could get into that position by doing a cobra from yoga and straightening up a little, but it wouldn't be proper like the marine on the left's pushup is. Tyciol 06:09, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. There has been too much wasted effort on this debate. We could easily use the soldier image found here on the right instead and be done with it. There are some serious problems with this article that would warrant some significant re-write (unless, of course, it is merged, in which case much of the junk content can be disposed.) See Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles --Andrewjuren 18:25, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I haven't really looked at revising the article as a whole, I lack the courage for major rewrites, I just evaluate the ones other people do :p By the way... what's he holding in his hand? Tyciol 06:47, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Goggles. I suspect that is salt water, and he was or will be swimming in it. – Mike.lifeguard | ^@en.wb 14:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

How is exercised connected with quality of life?

How is exercised connected with quality of life? Been looking for the info for quite sometime and find nothing (im a bad researcher, I know)... If anyone knows anything about how exercise links with the quality of life please leave on my talk page User talk:Chaos Reaver... --217.129.205.214 20:12, 12 March 2006 (UTC) (AKA Chaos Reaver)

I added a reference to improvement in brain function as people age. PSlave 20:19, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

The article still begins with the dissambiguation of the word Exercise, there should be a different page ("Exercise (dissambiguation)" ) for this purpose. The article should begin with the definition of physical exercise. Also, this dissambiguation section appears to have some redundancies JunCTionS 13:52, 15 April 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by JunCTionS (talk • contribs) 13:52, 15 April 2006

Physician Consultation

'Despite a common belief that only overweight people need a physical before beginning an exercise program, apparently healthy people can still have unknown medical conditions, such as a heart murmur, that can cause severe injury or death' I really don't like how this sentence is worded. It indicates that a heart murmur is always a serious condition when in fact it is very minor. I have had a murmur all my life and I run marathons, compete in triathlons and play football regularly. How about: 'Despite a common belief that only overweight people need a physical before beginning an exercise program, apparently healthy people can still have unknown medical conditions, such as a heart murmur, that in some cases may cause injury or death'? Robruss24 07:38, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Copywrite

Under the section of Myths:
Both "Spot Reduction" and "Muscle and fat tissue" sounds similar to that written in Physiology of Fitness by Brian J Sharkey (3rd ed).
I have the 2nd ed at home and will check with that. In the mean time, if anyone else could check I would recommend doing so.
(I am speaking from memory at the moment).
Dan
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 07:22, 15 May 2006 (talk • contribs) TheMountaineer

Redirected

Copied from Fitness training

For the past few hundred years, there has always been at least some form of fitness training. In the beginning of the olympics, olympians would train solely for olympic competition throughout the entire year. As methods and principles have inevitably changed, there is no doubt that the desire for both physical performance and vanity have not.

-- SynergeticMaggot 03:44, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

functional training(linked in text of 10/24/06 version of this article)

Does anyone else find functional training a bit spammy?Rich 19:28, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

History of Exercise

Is there any study in this field? If so, why not include it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.191.114.156 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 16 May 2007

Thank you for your suggestion. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). WLU 17:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Title-related Discussions

Vote to move to Physical exercise

• Please vote if you think this article, Exercise, should be moved to Physical exercise:
  • Agree. This article is about physical exercise. Afterward, this article should be changed to a redirect with a disambiguation page header. Andrewjuren 02:39, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Agree. This is all about physical exercise. I second that it should be a disambiguation exercise, linking to the new physical exercise page, as well as things such as academic exercises, skill-training exercises, relaxation exercises, and so on. Tyciol 06:07, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Agree. makes sense. Dhodges 13:59, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

This is a bad move - there are only two other articles and neither are likely to be targets of those who come or link here. Secondly, the exercise page just redirects here and there is a separate exercise (disambiguation) page already. It should be moved back, just as biological reproduction was moved. Richard001 08:57, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Why aren't we using the simpler title?

If Exercise is going to redirect here anyway, I see absolutely no value in not simply naming this article Exercise. We can include a dab notice at the top either way. -Silence 06:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Good point, I changed the redirect to a disambiguation page for PE and E(f). WLU 12:32, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

"E(f)" evidently meant "Exercise (options)" (a financial sense).

Per its history, the Dab Exercise was subsequently moved to Exercise (disambiguation), and Exercise is now a Rdr to Physical exercise, as the ToP dab states.
--Jerzy•t 22:23, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Other Forms of Exercise

There are many forms of exercise. If when exercise is searched for and it leads to this page, it excludes other forms of exercise like Spiritual Exercise. I would say that there needs to be a general page for exercise and links to the various forms of exercises- Physical, Spiritual, etc. Dale Fletcher 18:33, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I reverted the change - though exercise leads here, it is clearly titled physical exercise, and the second template at the top of the page leads to the exercise disambiguation page. Thei is not the appropriate page to have information about spiritual exercise.
--WLU 19:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

WLU is on the mark, and DF was advocating a dictionary organization for WP, which is not a dictionary. It may be possible to write a significant NPoV article on Spiritual exercise. But very few users will seek its content at Exercise, and those who do will be appropriately served by the existing ToP Dab on the accompanying article and the Dab Exercise (disambiguation). (Spiritual Exercise on the other hand, will be suitable for a Dab headed by The Spiritual Exercises of Saint Ignatius but also including books and mail-order programs marketed under the title Spiritual Exercise, likely to be offered by Pendle Hill, Rosicrucians, Eckankar,^{(Here's a DYK candidate: "DYK that Paul Twitchell was founded by Sri Harold Klemp in 1965?")} etc.)
--Jerzy•t 15:51 & 22:34, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Exercise

Exercise is a loosely interpreted word, although it primarily referrs to the bodies reaction to excessive exertion and the beneficial reactions that is the result of the exertion. There is a website (Exershare) that allows users to post and view other person's "physical" or "mental" exercise techniques and allows users to comment/post feedback on these. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rburger106 (talk • contribs) 15:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Narrower title or broader coverage needed

The title "Physical exercise" goes more or less appropriately with the lead sentence

Physical exercise is bodily activity that develops or maintains physical fitness and overall health.

But the article promptly goes astray at the beginning of the next sentence:

It is often practiced to ...

which accurately reflects

1. the article's unrelieved but erroneous assumption that physical exercise has never been significantly engaged in, except at least partially with the purpose of accruing the bodily and emotional benefits that are described (and if with any additional purposes, only social and/or entertainment ones) and
2. its obliviousness to the current possibility, and the predominant historical pattern, of the benefits and hazards of physical exercise occurring predominantly or solely in the course of economic activities and for-keeps combat, and largely without conscious intent to do more than survive the day or year.

The best remedy for this defect would be paragraph-by-paragraph revisions to add the missing perspectives, and additions of new 'graphs and sections (and then considering whether subdivision is desirable; it's already 20kb). But we go to war against intellectual property and other forces of ignorance with the army of editors we have; in the absence of such a trend, the article would be improved by more thoroughly unmasking those defects, by

1. chopping it up
2. putting the pieces respectively into new articles called Effects of physical exercise and Physical training (which, BTW, should stop being a Rdr to Sports training),
3. starting a stub Physical exercise incidental to work, and
4. establishing lks among them that provide their readers with occasion to associate, by following lks, the pieces that are presently juxtaposed within the current accompanying article.

I for one am not prepared to undertake the revision-in-place of the existing article, but i hope to watch its development enough to continue considering whether to implement the alternative remedy.
--Jerzy•t 07:14, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Exercise in teens

This section looks plagiarised, unsourced and not NPOV.

--Exercise in teens-- Childhood obesity has become an epidemic in our country. According to the CDC, “17% of children age 12-19 are overweight.” Some would argue that this is the fault of video games and technology that has become increasingly popular in the past few years. The fact of the matter is that technology may be part of the problem, but it is certainly not the whole story. We are living in a more sedentary world than ever before and our young adults are being raised in this environment. The truly sad part of this story is that inactivity during teenage years has a lasting effect on a child’s health. It can lead to heart disease, diabetes, high blood pressure and high cholesterol. These conditions are all extremely preventable with proper nutrition and physical activity. With just a little physical activity everyday teenagers will have a better chance at leading healthier lives on down the road. The effects of physical activity are wide spread. Physical activity among children and adolescents is important because of the related health benefits such as: cardio-respiratory function, blood pressure control, weight management, cognitive function, and other emotional benefits (Department of Health and Human Services). It can decrease depression rates, lower cholesterol and help with physical appearance. Exercise can help teens to feel better not only physically, but mentally as well. It has been shown to help reduce stress levels and improve brain function in children around the country. Those adolescents who participate in regular physical education are more likely to do better on standardized tests and do better in school overall. Part of the reason why kids are more inactive during their teenage years than any other is that they tend to drop out of organized sports around this time. For those kids who do not continue on with sports they find other things to occupy their time like playing video games or watching television.

124.170.146.113 (talk) 05:57, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

some anon Ip dumped it on the page. I revereted it as unsourced. WLU (talk) 13:34, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

POV, US-centric (or at least I assume that's what they mean by "our country"), and so on. Endorse removal. Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 13:43, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Could it be considered that someone extract, and verify, the "facts" in that paragraph? I would do it if I had enough free time. Weekipedian (talk) 03:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Physiology?

I'm a little surprised that this article has essentially no information about the physiology of exercise. For example, why does lifting weights make you stronger? Why does cardiovascular exercise improve heart function and change metabolism? These are the kinds of questions I'd expect to find answered in this article. People take "use it or lose it" for granted when it comes to muscles (including the heart) and I would like to see the article address the mechanisms by which using muscles equals improving muscles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.227.129.47 (talk) 18:29, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Anecdotal Evidence?

Source 10 is a source backing up a sentence about "anecdotal evidence." Anecdotal evidence is not evidence. It's like "baked fried chicken" or "jewish Nazi." I vote for the removal of that sentence and its "source." If there's data behind the claim, then fine. Otherwise, I fail to see what source could possibly back up a nonsensical claim.72.92.16.129 (talk) 21:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

The issue of rest

"The body parts exercised need at least a day of rest..." This is very debatable and likely false. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ykral (talk • contribs) 00:59, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes this is not true, an oversimplification. With good conditioning after some time training, train frequency can increase.

History??

There most certainly should be a "history of exercise" in this section. For example, how long have people known about the link between exercise and health/strength? Did exercising become very popular recently (20th century or later) or was it popular in other periods? 129.105.205.252 (talk) 02:13, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Recent edits by IP address

Someone added "highly debatable" to this section:

One highly debated caveat is that heavy weight training in adolescents can damage the epiphyseal plate of long bones.

I have no knowledge of the subject and since it is missing a source I can't do anything about it. Dayyanb (talk) 16:50, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Accuracy of the definition

The introduction currently reads, "Physical exercise is any bodily activity that raises the heart rate above its resting level and enhances or maintains physical fitness and overall health." Is it necessary to raise the heart rate for activity to be construed as physical exercise? That part of the definition was added recently. Elevating the heart rate sounds more like a requirement for aerobic exercise. Does the lede need to be reworded, perhaps back to how it read before the recent addition? Hertz1888 (talk) 22:22, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Due to a lack of response, I will go ahead and edit the lede back to its previous state. Hertz1888 (talk) 02:15, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Anaerobic exercises also raise heart rate, what's greatly different is respiration rate.--Nutriveg (talk) 20:49, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Types vs. categories

Types of exercise, categories of exercise... what's the difference? Two sections, some entries shared. It's confusing. Is there some way to combine these sections, or at least to clarify the difference between definitions (if there is one)? Hertz1888 (talk) 20:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

What is impact?

Could someone add some content about impact? For example, I've heard of a low-impact exercise, but don't know what that means. Does it mean it's easier than other exercises? Or maybe it refers to physical impacts on your joints, such as the way running can be hard on the knees. Orthografer (talk) 01:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

It usually refers to the latter kind of impact, as in hammering. Excellent topic for addition to the article. Hertz1888 (talk) 01:41, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Exercise and Brain Function

The section about exercise and brain function is very clearly written, however the conclusion of some studies are even more direct than what is said in the section. Some studies conclude directly "Physical exercise is beneficial to cognition." Some studies even found correlations of exercising with IQ, learning, and memory. I think this could be more clearly stated. A short summary of two recent review articles can be found at this blog post. Oh, and I don't see any obvious reason why the section should not be part of the section on benefits. I'll put it there as subsection. Ben ^T/_C 20:05, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Getting fit

A new section called getting fit should be added. It should mention that physical exercice is a solution that only works for the person itself, not its descendants. This was stated by Midas Dekkers. See http://www.sportgeschiedenis.nl/2006/08/28/voorpublicatie-nieuw-boek-midas-dekkers-lichamelijke-oefening.aspx

http://translate.google.be/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportgeschiedenis.nl%2F2006%2F08%2F28%2Fvoorpublicatie-nieuw-boek-midas-dekkers-lichamelijke-oefening.aspx&sl=nl&tl=en&history_state0= —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.66.58.166 (talk) 08:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)