User talk:Bearcat/Archive 1

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Template:ON-FedRep

This template is much too large and would work much better as a category. - SimonP 03:18, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

I guess that will have to be done then. These templates are in pretty clear violation of the new Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes. We have enough work getting rid of old non-compliant templates without creating new ones. - SimonP 03:24, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

I fully support reorganizaing the cats along those lines, but it would be a lot of work. - SimonP 03:30, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Hi Bearcat - everyone here is very appreciative of your extensive efforts, especially on Canada related articles. However, since you and I seem to have hundreds of pages in common on our respective watchpages, I do have one request.... could I persuade you to make more use of edit summaries? Although I don't think I've ever reverted one of your changes, it would make life easier for me, since when there is no edit summary I feel compelled to check out the changes, even if it is from a trusted editor... Best Regards, Fawcett5 13:43, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

New Brunswick departments

Thanks for your work in changing the names of the New Brunswick departments I had been creating. I didn't realized the nomenclature I was using was off of the standard, I'll adjust in the future articles I created and go through and change all of the links in the articles to the correct format. - Jord 15:20, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Andrea Menard categorizing

I'm not sure if I agree with taking her out of the First Nations category. Although she is Metis she is often also associated with the aboriginal community as well, to the extent that she won an aboriginal music award awhile back, and one of her best known songs, "Halfbreed Blues" has her trying to reconcile both sides of her heritage. Can we not list her in both, or is that considered a no-no? (I ask that despite the fact that being born and raised in Saskatchewan I should know this already!) ;-) 23skidoo 03:19, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Album genre categories

Thanks for your edits to hip hop albums. Tim Ivorson 08:05, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Melissa McEntyre

Hi Bearcat. This is my first entry in about two weeks, as I was on my thrid detox for that long. It didnt work as well, actually, my blood pressure ran up to 166 and right now Im recovering from THAT as well. This week Im going to my family doctor to discuss that matter.

That said, the reason that I put Melissa McEntyre among Canadian people is , that she is Canadian, so shes a Canadian people, and also, when you look at Puerto Rican people or Mexican people for example, individuals are in those categories' pages. But there is no protocol rule as to that so I guess my better judgement would be to leave Melissa McIntyre the way it is now and evade a revert war furthermore.

That said, Im always drawn by gothic wearing girls, Fairuza Balk is my platonic love! So even through I know that Melissa plays a character in the show, I still kinda get attracted by her even through I know its just a character. Thank God Fairuza is the real deal. She has been into wiccan before she filmed The Craft. And she dated Marilyn Manson, so that tells you a lot!!

Thnaks for everything, and God bless you!

Sincerely yours, Antonio three strike felony Martin

A Lesbian Sandro Botticelli?

Could you add some detail on Sandro Botticelli's classification, which you added? --Wetman 20:16, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

VfD

Could someone who has not already participated in the debate please take a look at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Elizabeth II of Canada and determine whether or not there's a consensus. As far as I can determine, according to the consensus guideline at Wikipedia:Consensus the criteria has been met since there's a 2/3 majority to merge/redirect but since I've proposed the VfD in the first place it's apparently seen as objectionable by some for me to declare the now week old VfD closed and implement a redirect (the merge has already been done). AndyL 21:12, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hand on the Torch

OK! No problem. Actually, i can't wait it i hear Us3's new album! Project2501a 23:08, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Categories

Molto grazie for fixing my mistake. That's good to know. Happy Pride Week. Ground Zero 01:09, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bearcat, curious why you don't think Mermaid Avenue is a folk album. With an entire album based on the lyrics of Woody Guthrie, isn't that justification enough? Thoughts? -- Dave C. 04:43, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough; works for me. Thanks. -- Dave C. 04:54, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Origin of Joel Bakan article

Bearcat, did you personally create the text in the intial entry for Joel Bakan? The text i mean is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Joel_Bakan&oldid=13459484 The reason i ask is because the middle paragraph is so nearly identical to http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1538175/bio - the bio info for Bakan at IMDB. It seems to me that wikipedia or imdb has a problem, unless you're the original author of both, bearcat.

If our copy needs to be removed, i will re-write this article with my own orignal words. Fudoreaper June 28, 2005 19:01 (UTC)

Category:Metropolitan areas of Canada

That looks good; thanks for implementing it. Mindmatrix 30 June 2005 11:42 (UTC)

Wilson

I have to admit I have totally zero interest in the subject of that article, was just RC Patrolling. It was also 3 months ago...

But: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Lamborn_Wilson&diff=13385385&oldid=12751528 was my edit. I reverted a lot more than a category change, an anon user cut out content. Didn't even see the changes to the cats, tbh. I know how the piping works on cats, though... --Kiand 1 July 2005 17:32 (UTC)

Highway 61

Yes, I agree. However, I merged the pages because they were exactly the same. -- Earl Andrew - talk 1 July 2005 18:58 (UTC)

I distinctavely remember merging 2 exact pages. But anyways...

P.S. - do you know anything about this watchlist bug? I seem to have been affected by it. -- Earl Andrew - talk 1 July 2005 19:05 (UTC)

Go Transit stations

Thanks for creating the new cat, and re-catting all the station articles. I've been meaning to do it, but kept putting it off; I was pleasantly surprised to find someone had done it already!

Curiously though, none of the station articles that were modified showed up in my watchlist. Mindmatrix 2 July 2005 17:46 (UTC)

Premier of Ontario

Hi, thought I would let you that I removed a sentence you had added about the office of premier being created in 1867. I know where you are coming from, but I think it best to leave this out. What was created in 1867 was a federation with four provinces, each province with a legislature and a lieutenant governor. There is no mention of the office of premier in the BNA Act because the legislature and lieutenant governor operate in accordance with the conventions of the Westminster system. I presume that it was up to the Ontario legislature to pass an Executive Council Act but I would have to go back to the Ontario statutes of 1867-68 to determine that. It would be appropriate to mention in the article when and if such an act was passed by the legislature, but even in the absence of such an act, the mere fact of having a legislature meant under the Westminster system that an executive council could be formed by the lieutenant governor and he could name a president, and this president could call himself whatever he wished. I strongly disagree that the office of premier replaced that of the PM of the Province of Canada (a unitary state responsible for Canada East and West, not just modern Ontario, and with responsibilties for ALL matters, not just provincial matters later assigned to provinces such as Ontario, Quebec, NS, NB). Better to think of Canada and Ontario as new creations with new responsibilities. Prior to 1867 I tend to refer to modern Canada as the British North American colonies or British North America, as this is broad enough to include Newfoundland, PEI, and BC.--BrentS 4 July 2005 01:28 (UTC)

Mashlist

Howdy Bearcat - newbie here with a question - is the Mash list a wiki template or something you came up with on your own? I want to use it, but figured I'd try not to be an asshat and steal without asking. Thanks! NickBurns 6 July 2005 02:22 (UTC)

PS - thanks for the reply on my talkpage! And the compliment. I like yer list, too. NickBurns 23:41, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

"Let's build a great Canada!"

Boy was I surprised to find there was already an article on Jimmy MacDonald's Canada. Good job, BC! Ground Zero 7 July 2005 14:23 (UTC)

Barnstar

As I have just received one of these, I feel compelled to give it to someone myself. So, here's one for ya, Mr. Bearcat! --NDP logo Earl Andrew - talk 8 July 2005 21:10 (UTC)

(Actual barnstar moved to my main userpage. Gotta advertise!) Bearcat 06:19, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

A. Lafontaine

I know, we were discussing this a few days ago on my talk page (User talk:Adam Bishop#User:A. Lafontaine). I brought it up on the Administrator's Noticeboard but there didn't seem to be much discussion there...if he's starting to go back to his old ways, I guess he can just be blocked again. Adam Bishop 22:04, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

Georgian Bay

I chuckled at your edit summary about the description of the location of Georgian Bay. It does seem waaaaay to far southeast of SSM. However, if you check your map, you will see that the North Channel of G'Bay extends almost to Sault Ste Marie. Being correct doesn't make it the best description, however. "South of Sudbury" isn't great either, but it may be the best we can do when confronted with the realities of the sparse population in that part of N. Ontario. Sunray 22:22, July 9, 2005 (UTC)

In a way it is somewhat academic, since Georgian Bay is a bay of Lake Huron. Nevertheless, the North Channel is commonly referred to as "the North Channel of Georgian Bay" as a Google search of those terms (in quotes) will reveal. Here's some evidence:

• The Mission of the Georgian Bay Land Trust: to preserve the unique archipelago and its adjacent water bodies which lie along the eastern shore and North Channel of Georgian Bay that are of ecological, geological and historical importance, and to promote the appreciation of this special area.[1]
• Other websites: [2], [3], [4] Sunray 00:00, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Progressive Bloggers

Bearcat, I've put in an entry on the Canadian blogosphere group (which includes Matthew Good) the Progressive Bloggers. Please let me know what you think.--Simon.Pole 02:18, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Category:Canadian gay politicians

Why not make it a subcategory instead of killing it? It sure seems like we have enough of them :) But seriously, one thing I'm running into is that the authors of articles tend to add Category:Gay, lesbian or bisexual people (which at 700 articles is full to bursting and no longer useful) to their article as well as a more specific category, just because they want one of the words "Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual" instead of the sterile LGBT FLA. I've been working on subcategorizing Category:LGBT musicians and am getting set to start on Category:LGBT athletes in an attempt to minimize the load on the parent queer group. Later -- Cleduc 02:54, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Gotcha, too right -- not enough to justify the work, never mind. And I suppose recruitment of more politicians is out of scope for the project, but certainly warranted :D

Oh, and thanks for the warning... but in for a penny, in for a pound. Later -- Cleduc 03:19, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Defunct companies of Canada

Hi Bearcat, thanks for your message regarding moving companies solely to Category:Defunct companies of Canada. I agree with the way you've put it and won't remove further defunct companies from economic sector categories provided that sector category doesn't imply activity. Thanks for correcting my original mistake. Kurieeto 16:31, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Canadian wikipedians' notice board rearrangement

Hello. We have been discussing rearrangement of the Canadian wikipedians' notice board. Since you created the page, I thought you might like to know or even comment. •Zhatt• 22:06, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

Aboriginals

Hi Bearcat - What are your thoughts on the capitalization/non-capitalization of "Aboriginal"? When I use the term I've been capitalizing it as per suggested guidelines released by Indian and Northern Affairs Canada^[5]. Kurieeto 16:37, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Good idea about checking the CP's style guide. I'll let you know what I find. Kurieeto 17:06, July 15, 2005 (UTC)

Hi Bearcat - The local library has copies of the "Canadian Oxford Dictionary, Official Dictionary of the Canadian Press" (427.971 CAN 2004), and "The Globe and Mail Style Book" (808.06607 MCF 2003). I tried to get a copy of the "CP stylebook : a guide for writers and editors" (808. 06607 CP 1995), but it's a circulating book and has been checked out by someone else.

In the Canadian Oxford Dictionary the entry of "Aboriginal" is capitalized, unlike "francophone", as you pointed out. This source does indicate that the term should not be capitalized when used as an adjective. So I guess an example would be: "APTN is an aboriginal television network" vs. "APTN is a television network that broadcasts programs produced by and for Aboriginal people in Canada". My understanding of the capitalization instructions would mean that your edit of Cooking With the Wolfman is correct, as it currently reads, "Cooking With the Wolfman is a cooking series first produced for the Aboriginal Peoples Television Network, an aboriginal television network in Canada."

The Globe and Mail's style guide does not have a specific entry for "Aboriginal". They do have one for "native people" though. The "native people" entry begins by saying, "Native people is the generally accepted term in Canada embracing the four categories of aboriginal or semi-aboriginal peoples: Inuit, Indians, non-status Indians, and Métis." The book goes on to use the term "native people" where we on Wikipedia are currently using "Aboriginal".

I like the Canadian Oxford Dictionary's instructions much more than I do the Globe's. In choosing between the preferred collective term of the federal government, Aboriginal, and the Globe, native people, I think we should do as the Government does, because they are a stronger source.

Please let me know what you think about the usage of the term in the two style guides. If we both agree that we should follow the Canadian Oxford Dictionary, as used by the Canadian Press, then I'll put a sentence or two into Aboriginal peoples in Canada and the Wikipedia:Canadian wikipedians' notice board/Aboriginal peoples regarding capitalization/non-capitalization.

By the way, there's a discussion being held at Talk:First Nations of Canada#Renaming the article about renaming the article or keeping it where it is. First Nations, First Nations in Canada, and First Nations (Canada) have been suggested so far as alternative titles. I'd greatly value your thoughts on the matter if you have time to check it out. Thanks for suggesting to check stylebooks Bearcat, I'm very pleased we looked into this. Kurieeto 22:59, July 21, 2005 (UTC)

Categorizing

I understand that the rule concerning categorizing pages that you brought up exists and abide by it 99% of the time. However, rules are meant to be interpreted, are they not. Cape Breton Island is indeed an island in Nova Scotia and therefore needs to be categorized as such. It is however very much also a cultural entity of huge importance to Nova Scotia and should appear on the Category:Nova Scotia page and not simply "buried" under Category:Islands of Nova Scotia subcategorized under Category:Geography of Nova Scotia. The whole point of categorizing is to provide ready referencing, is it not? The rule should and does apply in an important linear fashion from narrow to wide in nearly all cases (as a strict rule of thumb). The difficulty arises in the few cases where the page describes something that is not merely one kind of entity, doesn t it. Regards, Mayumashu 15:44, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Karla (film)

Thanks for changing the name of the movie. I had actually asked for help to change the movie title as I don't know how to change an article title on Wikipedia, what with redirects and the like. Anyway, I'm not completely incompetant. Thanks, Bearcat. --Yamla 16:39, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

New pay TV applications

I see your point, and I'm not saying we should do them for every application for a TV station, radio station, specialty service, etc. because that would most certainly be overkill. But I think there would be a place in explaining the different applications, and their various (dis)advantages, for something of this magnitude where there could be room for controversy (as with Canadian Satellite Radio, for instance).

Worst case scenario, we redirect the unsuccessful ones afterwards to the licensed one (or some separate history-of-Canadian-pay-TV page) and explain what happened to all of them.

See also my comment on Thomson Corp. discussion page. Stickguy 03:49, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Canadian Airlines

Sorry I wrote this quickly and I didn't have enough time to run a spell check

What I wanted to say was that their really is contraversy in Alberta over the demise of Canadian Airlines. Although it doesn't make it the news it certianlly is good bar talk here in Calgary....and I am a member the Liberal Party I also believe that if Canadian Airlines was based out of Montreal the government would have saved it. I think it's usefull to add this information to the page....

Les Oraliens

I noticed you changed the name of the mechanical dog character in that show, is it based on your memory or something else ? I'm not implying your wrong (I'm pretty much working from memory on that article) but from what I remember, you might have confused it with the name of another quebec show: Iniminimagimo. --Marc pasquin 21:56, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt reply. I'll put the question in the talk page then. --Marc pasquin 22:05, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Quick question on Australian television categories

Hi Bearcat. I've noticed of late several entries being created for Australian people associated with television, but not for their on-screen appearances, such as the notable Murray Tregonning. It would be a miscategorisation to place Mr Tergonning for example into Category:Australian television presenters category as I don't think he's ever appeared on television to present anything as such to date, but is a major behind-the-scenes worker. This is my reasoning for the creation of Category:Australian television personalities. I trust this answers your question, however feel free to disuss further if my intentions are not clear. -- Longhair | Talk 02:00, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Simply - Thanks

Thanks Bearcat. Tres cool! Much appreciated. All the best. Joel Z

Regina, Saskatchewan

I have an issue with edits made by you and others in this article; my concerns are fully articulated on its talk page. Brithgob 03:58, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Homosexuality in India

There is very little on the Internet or on Wikipedia about Homosexuality in non-Western cultures, including India. I was wondering if you would like to contribute towards creating a detailed article about Homosexuality in India, one that discusses historical, literary, cultural and religious attitudes towards homosexuality, as well as the current situation. I know for a fact that India has a significant LGBT community, though a lot of it is underground. I wrote the article Gay rights in India. Could you take a look at it and integrate it with a larger article on Homosexuality in India. --Notquiteauden 01:53, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Support for renaming Category:AIDS victims

Category AIDS Victims

This has survived its trip to Wikipedia:CFD. I would definitely support the change of name you advocated, though. I would suggest your putting it up for renaming rather than deletion; that focuses the issue better and might have a more favorable outcome. Courtland 12:55, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

clarifying ... i.e. don't provide the delete option in the nomination ... name change only. Courtland 12:57, August 1, 2005 (UTC)

Rename Category:AIDS victims

Hi Bearcat. I noticed that the CfD discussion on this category resulted in a decision of "No consensus(keep)". This seems unfortunate, because I think there was a consensus that "AIDS victims" is not a good name. So I'm thinking that it should be submitted as a rename. I think there could be two categories Category:People living with AIDS and Category:People who have died from AIDS. I'd like to hear your views, and your choices for names. I'm going to also post this at Wikipedia:LGBT notice board. -- Samuel Wantman 07:43, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Just noticed the similar comment above. -- Samuel Wantman 07:44, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikicool bonus points

File:Canadian tire money.png

For having been the original creator of Michaëlle Jean article over a year before her nomination as GG, you are hereby awarded Canadian Wikicool bonus points.

Spend them wisely. DoubleBlue (Talk) 19:44, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

"victims" as POV word

For the past 20+ years that AIDS has been on the public radar, the PWA community has been quite explicitly clear that they object to being labelled as "victims". The bottom line is that whether you understand their concern or not, Wikipedia absolutely cannot label people with terms that the people in question object to being labelled with. Bearcat 23:48, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

If you argument was that the name would be considered offensive to a small subset of aids sufferers (is sufferers okay? er... I'm getting selfconsious here), and good alternatives would not be, fair enough. However the phrase is certainly in common use and I don't think many people would see it as negatively as you do. I'd almost be tempted to call common names on you, but obviously not offending people is more important than that. --zippedmartin 23:59, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

It's not a "small subset of AIDS sufferers" who take issue with "victims"; it's the overwhelming majority of them. And the fact that the term is still in common use doesn't prove that nobody's offended; it proves that mainstream society doesn't listen. Bearcat 00:08, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm sorry Bearcat, but a quick glance at the AIDS article tells me that at most 1/40 people living with the virus are English speakers - the number who are likely to be offended by the word 'victim' is tiny compared to those who've never heard it. As this is an english language wiki, I'm happy to take it that people are likely to prefer a category titled in a way least likely to cause offence. --zippedmartin 00:19, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Templates

A lot of them do seem to be rather archaic! :)

About Michaëlle Jean not being from Quebec...

Are you serious, Bearcat? She went to the University of Montreal (Montreal is in Quebec), and she taught at the same university for several years. Go to Quebecer Jean and read the text,

"...Jean will become Canada's 27th governor general at a pivotal time in politics, with the Prime Minister Paul Martin's Liberals into their second year of a minority government.

The appointment of a Quebecer seemed inevitable – it was Quebec's turn, the Martin couldn't afford to ignore the province. Liberals aren't polling well in the province, and there is a federal election expected next year." (CalgaryWikifan 02:35, 5 August 2005 (UTC))

(Note that in the comment CalgaryWikifan is responding to here, I said that Adrienne Clarkson isn't a Quebecer, not that Michaëlle Jean isn't.) Bearcat 03:05, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Give him some credit though for pointing out to you that Montreal is indeed in Quebec. 66.36.133.88 20:35, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Toronto EMS

Bearcat,

Just wondering where you got your information regarding Toronto EMS?

Swordsmith75

LGBT Cixous =

Please substantiate this in the article. I will remove the categorisation pending documented verifiablity. Buffyg 11:41, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

CBC

I looked at the CBC Radio 2 schedule, but which program features classical music, they are all outlined in red, besides Saturday Afternoon at the Opera? By the way, is it that cold up there in Canada, where you live during Summer?

Unknown person

Detroit AM Station

I used radio-locator.com and looked up stations that were closest to the Detroit market, so it looks like that source was incorrect in that regard. The funny thing is, while looking up the FM portion of the Detroit radio market, I noticed that their listing of the call letters of the station at 93.9 was outdated, and I did put in the correct callsign. ErikNY 04:14, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Minshullj

I have an article you might be interested in deleting. It too speaks of an indivual who is at this point only arrested but clearly guilty and since it was started has been continually updated as more info becomes available. Although no conviction yet so you better give it the axe. Also under my talk page there is an article I was hoping to contribute but wanted to have you comb through it before formally posting it.

--Minshullj 17:55, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Your user page

I reverted some edits made by User:200.73.82.173 on your talk page. Check out the message I put on his talk page. I think you'll like. :) Wikipedianinthehouse 22:37, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

I figured you'd rather call yourself a "fag" than a homosexual. :) You aren't a clinical diagnosis! :) Wikipedianinthehouse

Phillip Nozuka

On the vfd page for Phillip Nozuka/ here you asked if I could provide a cite for Eskimo kid becoming a regular cast member in the fall, and that you'd change your vote if I did. This is a moot point since the page is being kept, but I looked around and could not. My source was a article linked on the tvtome.com Degrassi page, but since tvtome changed to tv.com, it's been a piece of poo and that article link must have dissapeared. I still stand by my claim, but I admit I can't back it up. --Boycottthecaf 02:46, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Montreal River (Ontario)

Have you ever actually seen South of Wawa?

...Has anyone? Or is it just a legend? A set-up, a put-on; an ethereal stream of celluloid in the sky; something meant to be discussed forever, but never actually seen? ...A snuff film for those whose idea of murderous sadism is... uh, Dan Hill in concert?

,,,If so, and they actually reached the road... Category:Road movies? The elusive Samaritan 13:20, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Please forgive me for engaging in cross-talk, but Samaritan needs an answer to this. I have seen South of Wawa, and quite enjoyed it.

There is, however, at this point, only scant and possibly apocryphal evidence that I exist. Ground Zero | t 13:31, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm a shark-infested ocean, &c.

God rest my soul for indirectly promoting one the most ridiculous musical acts I've ever heard, but Sudbury's gift to rap-rock music does deserve an article someday; yet look at this mess: Special:Undelete/Project_Wyze. Anything there to start from? Samaritan 00:05, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

1922 May 21

Let's just say I'm a little obsessive about some things. As a former world champion Mr. Metric, I hold to all things SI, and SI holds that year-month-day is the approved form. It's unfortunate that Wikipedia has not yet entered the 20th century in that regard. I'm of the feeling that, just as with British/North American spellings, things should be left the way you found them when you came to the article, and should be changed only to ensure conformity within the article. Now I'm utterly mystified as to why you changed only one, and left its neighbor sitting there, an odd duck out! Denni☯ 00:56, 2005 September 1 (UTC)

Hard Core Logo

*sheepish* Uh... it's on my list to see. (I know, I know... Hey, I hit 24 before seeing The Wizard of Oz...)

Maybe there should be a subcategory for musical tour movies? Samaritan 10:11, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Category:Cities in North America

I looked up the IP address (24.203.7.52); it belongs to Le Groupe Videotron Ltee, which would explain the user's edits to Le SuperClub Vidéotron and Laval, Quebec. You're right though, there is some overlap between this anon's edits and Fat pig73. However, if I recall correctly, Fat pig73 edits from IPs in Scarborough (or somewhere in the GTA).

The IP 206.47.220.230, which you mentioned in Wikipedia talk:Canadian wikipedians' notice board, belongs to Bell Worldlinx, which has leased them to CIBC. I haven't figured out how CIBC has structured its network yet, so I don't know where in ON/QC this is located. If you have other IPs used by Fat pig that I can test, I'd be happy to do it.

One other note: if you compare the contribution histories of Fat pig73 and the anon 24.203.7.52, they merge nicely (except a bit at Aug 13). This may all be coincidence, but it's worth checking out. Mindmatrix 15:41, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Speaking of Fat pig73, what's the deal with this and this? Mindmatrix 15:29, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

I had thought about the same two issues you mentioned - they probably both apply, but he's the only one that truly knows. Either way, if he has them on his watchlist, these articles will pop up in his list; otherwise, they'd go un-edited for a while, so I just merged them anyhow. Mindmatrix 17:43, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

Barrett's Privateers

Hi- just wondering why you removed the Canadian song/folk music/folk song categories from the Barrett's Privateers article, as it seems to me that they fit. Please reply at Barrett's Privateers talk or my talk page.--Scimitar ^parley 16:37, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

• Thanks for the clarification.--Scimitar ^parley 16:55, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

The eternal struggle between man and beaver

I was all ready to VfD Joshua Hellyer, but: there's a ghost of a chance the show he co-hosted, probably on community cable?, might have been notable with reference to a local community or a subculture. +Sabrevision +TV, +cable or +Rogers googles nothing relevant. Joshua, Joshua Paul, Josh or Josh Paul Hellyer yield nothing besides Wikipedia and this. The one other thing to do would be to ask the contributor for further detail on SABREVISION... Do I worry too much? Samaritan 13:18, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Bringing Wikipedia to Toronto

I've been working on a bid to bring Wikimania 2006 to Toronto. I have contacted KMDI, an institute at the University of Toronto. They are very interested in partnering with us, and can get us a full range of U of T facilities for free. With this offer I think there is a very good chance of bringing Wikimania 2006 to Toronto. The only thing we currently lack are people willing to help out. I'm willing to do much of the work, but for the time being I am in Ottawa and having some people on the ground in Toronto will be necessary. We also need a number of people willing to assist at the actual event, likely the first weekend of August 2006. If you are interested in helping out sign up at Wikimania 2006/Toronto. Preliminary bids from various cities need to be made by Sept. 30, 2005, at which point a committee will choose which city gets to host the event. The number of people willing to help will certainly be an important consideration. - SimonP 16:20, September 6, 2005 (UTC)

Copy paste move

Hi Bearcat. You copypasted Jack Douglas into Jack Douglas (record producer) a while back, only copy paste moves violate the GFDL because they orphan the edit history. I think the only way of satisfying it now is to copy-paste the history from Jack Douglas into the Talk: of Jack Douglas (record producer). Is that right; it seems to be what Wikipedia:How to fix cut and paste moves suggests? -Splash 08:45, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I was wondering why you couldn't do something just like that. In fact, I had thought of the more convoluted:

1. Delete both
2. Restore Jack Douglas to before the dab
3. Move it to Jack Douglas (record producer)
4. Delete Jack Douglas again
5. Restore only the edits after the copypaste move

and almost did it, but chickened out. Have I misunderstood the example at the bottom of Wikipedia:How to fix cut and paste moves (which would seem to match this case exactly), or does that document need updating? -Splash 18:50, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I see that what you did certainly seems to repair the history. Do I misunderstand the "troublesome case" on that page? If I replace A with John Douglas and B with John Douglas (record producer) I think it's exactly what they describe: but you are clearly correct in what you have done, so I must be missing a link somewhere? -Splash 19:14, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Quebec City-Windsor Corridor

I ran across this edit, which seemed odd to me. I wouldn't classify the corridor as a metropolitan area, but I may be missing the reasoning behind this. Mindmatrix 14:30, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I read the BosWash article shortly after posting the comment above. It seems a little silly, considering that there are vast sections of unpopulated land within each of those "metropolitan areas", but so be it. I wonder what the equivalent areas in India and China would be :-) Mindmatrix 19:30, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Your statement on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warden Avenue

Hello! I tend to think of AfD not as people voting but of people giving their sentiment on an article. Your reasoning sounded most convincing, so I followed it. Have a good day! Pilatus 12:35, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

Requesting Review of Canadian National Exhibition article

Hello there:

I've seen your name come up many times in reference to various Canadian-oriented articles. As a more experienced Wikipedian than I, could you please take a look at the article on the Canadian National Exhibition I have been working on and leave me your thoughts on the Talk:Canadian_National_Exhibition page? Have also put a suggested framework for further development of the article on the Talk page and would appreciate your feedback on it.

In short, am I loopy for doing things the way I am? ;-) Captmondo 02:33, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Roads in Toronto et al

I'm going to guess the author is the same one who created all but Midland on the last batch I nominated on AfD - pretty much par for the course on this one, no? :-) I've got a list of roads to nominate, but I don't want to inundate AfD with road articles. Speaking of which, what do you think of Roncesvalles Avenue? I don't know that area well, and I think its a minor road, but something's nagging me about it. Mindmatrix 12:35, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Oh how my brain hurts. Let's see:

• Lower Osgoode - delete
• Lower Eglinton West - delete, if it was filled in; otherwise, it'll be used by spelunkers like other abandoned stations and is worth an article
• Lower Allen - I think you incorrectly linked this

We could probably use a comprehensive single article about the abandoned stations. As for the bridge-cruft...like I said, my brain hurts. Mindmatrix 14:21, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Regarding Allen Station, I think it can be deleted too. It's also filled with some PoV and prognostication for good measure. As for that batch of Toronto roads, they've been deleted, but Broadview Avenue was not. Mindmatrix 16:40, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

BTW: the counts were 8-4 to delete for Broadview, and 15-7 for the batch (with one merge). I'm not sure I agree with the resolution of the Broadview AfD. Mindmatrix 16:45, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Roads in Ottawa

Well, I'm turning my attention to Ottawa too. Since I don't know it nearly as well as Toronto, and you mentioned having lived there for a while...do you think these are valid nominees for AfD:

• Trim Road (Ottawa)
• Tenth Line Road (Ottawa)
• Innes Road (Ottawa)
• Walkley Road
• Heron Road (Ottawa)
• Alta Vista Drive

I haven't had time to assess other roads yet. Mindmatrix

Regarding being primed for a fight: I've been aware for a while that this is going to make me a few enemies...I'd truly like to see a WikiAtlas project (or something similar), because it's clear that people want to write about roads — I just don't think WP is the place for it. Nobody has gone to the trouble of attempting to find consensus about what constitutes a WP-worthy road article (despite this), so I thought I'd give it a try. I notice some of the comments left on the current VfDs are showing signs of irritation, but so be it.

My goal is to set consensus for roads in Canada (and I hope others will pick up on it for roads in other parts of the world), and to eventually re-write that policy document with actual consensus derived from AfDs, since discussion resolved nothing. It'll upset a few people, but I think this is worthwhile, and (I think) I'm prepared for the backlash. Mindmatrix 16:41, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

• Hope you don't mind me adding to this section. You may be interested to know that Woodroffe Avenue is up for undeletion here: Wikipedia:Votes for undeletion/Woodroffe Avenue. Also, I lived two blocks away from Tenth Line Road for about 8 years (from the list above). --maclean25

Airport name

This is not meant to be a "my name is better than yours" argument but just an explanation as to why I used Sudbury Airport and not Greater Sudbury Airport. I really only have one source of information and that's the Canada Flight Supplement (CFS). It lists Sudbury but there is no entry under the G saying Greater Sudbury see Sudbury. As an example for Greater Moncton International Airport there's an entry in the CFS which says Greater Moncton Intl see Moncton/Greater Moncton Intl. It seems that several airports have more than one offical/proper name. CFB Goose Bay is listed in the CFS as Goose Bay Airport and CFB Greenwood is listed as Greenwood Airport. The best one of these is Toronto Pearson International Airport which is listed here GTAA site but in the CFS as Toronto/Lester B. Pearson Intl. I suspect that places change the names but don't bother to register it with NavCanada. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather 11:49, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

I suspect that what's happend here is that the town/airport has changed and they just haven't got around to registering it wiht NavCanada or Transport Canada. CambridgeBayWeather 00:01, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Wikimania meeting tommorrow

Hello, and thanks for signing up at Wikimania_2006/Toronto. It has been announced that there will be a half hour meeting on the Wikimania IRC channel tomorrow October 2, at 20:00 UST (4:00 pm EST) to pick the 3 city shortlist. It would be great if you could attend. Also these are our last hours to ensure that our bid at Wikimania_2006/Toronto is as good as it can be, so any improvements to it would also be useful. There are now four cities in the running, so tomorrow one is getting cut. - SimonP 20:52, 1 October 2005 (UTC)

User page in a category

Hello,
My subpages are in the categories because of a template that we are creating for the Baseball Wikiproject and the categories are written into the template automatically. This is only temporary until we get the bugs out. Our goal is about 10-14 days. I hope this is not going to be a problem(?). Let me know if I really need to remove those ASAP. Have a good one!--CrazyTalk 06:14, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

Radio Mirchi

Thank you for your contribution at Radio Mirchi. Please keep it up!!! - P R A D E E P Somani (talk) Feel free to send me e-mail. have a look at Indian subcontinent earthquakes list

Brewing war on CFD

There's some hot stuff today on Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 October 11 w/r/t the deletion of Category:Gay UK MPs. Get her, specifically. Cheers, Cleduc 20:15, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Adam Vaughan

I see our friend has found a new hobby, or more precisely, a new article category on which to work (yeah, I looked at the contrib log; yeah, I see your name as the next edit in, ahem, a few cases). The thing is, there's so much energy and devotion, if only it could be channeled more productively...

Oh, to answer your skill-testing question: I usually do a quick text scan before reading, and I noticed the see also section, linking to articles already wikified in the prior text. Classic calling card, that one. Mindmatrix 23:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

That's odd - I was going to mention the same thing (about autism) in my message above yesterday, but then decided not to. Perhaps we should find a Wikipedian with some expertise in the field to get another opinion. At the very least, it would give us an idea of how to best handle the situation. Mindmatrix 15:08, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Canadian station database

The CRTC does not maintain a database of technical information about broadcast stations because it does not regulate technical matters. The database of Canadian broadcast stations is maintained by Industry Canada. 121a0012 04:11, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

People from Ontario

Have a look at some of the sub-categories listed in this cat. I can understand some of them, say Hamiltonians, but Richmond Hillers and Oakvillians seem very wrong to me, and they don't follow the current conventions. They were all created by one user. Something else to add to our to-do list... Mindmatrix 15:24, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

I've been poring over the WP:CfD and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (categories) (and the related talk pages). I find it messy. There doesn't appear to be a cohesive or consistent strategy for category naming, after all. In some cases, its X in place or X of place; in others, its Place-ian X et al. I suspect this will cause a lot of confusion for readers. When I wrote the above comment, I had assumed there was a trend towards reaching this consistent state, but it looks like I was wrong and the above categories are quite legitimate as the consensus stands right now. Mindmatrix 00:37, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Alright, let's see:

...the issue with categories like Oakvillians and Richmond Hillers is that I really don't think either city is significant enough to deserve its own "People from..." category.

I agree, but I do think there should be a category devoted to the cities or towns themselves. A Richmond Hill category, for example, could be populated with the Dunlap observatory, Yonge Street, Oak Ridges Moraine etc., as well as prominent individuals from, or residing in, the town.

As far as our friend is concerned (re:Minister of Finance (Ontario)), I just can't keep up - I already spend so much time doing various grunt work (especially re-stubbing and categorizing geographical articles). I checked the contributions from that IP, and I see plenty of edits to articles about Canadian buildings and politicians. Some were decent, but others fit the earlier trend (over-populated See also sections etc); and then there's the one you posted on my talk page...sigh

I thought about suggesting on the notice board that we keep an eye on him/her, for all related accounts and IPs, but that seems too Orwellian - I won't do it. A mentoring-type arrangement would be suitable, but the user ignores all contact. I know you've spent a lot of time cleaning up after him, despite your own categorization (and other) work, so we should find a way to get the user to make those positive contributions while refraining from the more questionable ones. The question is, how? It seems unproductive to keep cleaning up after him. Mindmatrix 17:53, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Categorization/Gender, race and sexuality

You might care to weigh in there. Cheers, Cleduc 04:15, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

radio call signs

Thanks. I'll try to remember that. Vegaswikian 00:26, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Charles H. Mackintosh

Actually, I think that I should have put him in the historical members category, which I did just now. My error, anyway. --Big_Iron 21:34, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Ontario pols

I realized that I was making this mistake a short time ago and switched back to the proper method (but thanks for the reminder).

On a semi-related point, could you look over the current goings-on at the David Miller page? Someone has been making extremely partisan edits that fall just short of vandalism, and I'm over my three-revert limit for the day. CJCurrie 00:23, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Brenard Lord image

Where is there discussion going on about this besides the ifd page? This is a serious injustice, and I feel like I'm missing something. Thanks. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 23:04, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

An RFC may be the only way. I don't even like that ifd page, it's difficult to comment there. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 23:11, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

BTW, today I created Wikipedia:WikiProject Canadian law if you want to join. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 23:11, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

For you I would fly to the moon. ;-) So yes, I'll endorse. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 23:33, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Great job on that RFC! To be kind, I award you this Random Acts of Kindness barnstar. --File:Ottawa flag.png Spinboy 00:52, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Electoral Districts

I would like to invite you to participate in Wikipedia:WikiProject Electoral districts in Canada. It is just getting started so please read through it, familiarize yourself with the topic and the options/examples and then participate in the debate about how the pages should best be laid out. --maclean25 00:03, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Re: Ming Pao Daily News (Toronto)

• Reference

I am not the person who originally added the Rivals section to these articles. If it is policy to not have a Rivals section I'll delete it.—Gniw (Wing) 07:05, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

• Replied

FWIW, this means I’ll need to think of some way other than adding another link to “Rivals” next Tuesday. I’ll think about it next week when the time comes to update it.—Gniw (Wing) 07:17, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

FYI, it is November 1 now, so I added back a Rivals section, but I have deliberately avoided the old format. I wish I could use the original format; this looks quite awkward right now.—Gniw (Wing) 06:19, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Sing Tao Daily (Toronto)

I see that you have removed my comment about Sing Tao's editorial's stance. But my comment is factually correct. For some controversial news that the Star would not report at all, Sing Tao would go ahead and report them. At least the new coverage is more neutral, so the editorial stance must also be more neutral since the editors decide what to appear in the paper.—Gniw (Wing) 07:10, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

• Replied

Ok, I’ll rephrase it to avoid the word “extreme”. (Not that I agree with the assertion that the Star is not “left”, though. It’s at least lefter than Sing Tao.)—Gniw (Wing) 07:28, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Canadian VfD

Should we just remove that "Notable Canadians" section? It was an experiment with deletion sorting but I don't think anyone bothers to scroll down that far. --maclean25 07:17, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

• I removed the "Notable Canadians" section. I think it was a good idea but perhaps its time hasn't come yet. --maclean25 01:02, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Riel/Natives

Hi - please see my note on Talk:Louis Riel. I think it's not just an issue with the Riel article, but with the way the categories are being reorganized. ←Hob 03:24, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Category:First Nations leaders

whoops. I actually meant to type that it was full of "first nations" leaders.

e.g. the category contained both 'native american' and 'first nations'.

but I don't think it does anymore! getcrunk juice 13:41, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

I don't think the word "already" means what you think it means

Your edit comment: :Category:Queer theory is already a subcategory of all three other categories; Wikipedia expressly has a policy against redundant categorization. this hardly needs explaining.

It's an odd sense of "already" to mean "I can later change categories to retroactively make sense of my uncommented article edit to Queer theory." But OK, aside from the slightly obnoxious edit comment and sequence, I guess the way categories are arranged now is doable. (it actually seems a little off to have a n identically named category act as a "proxy" for the article itself; there might be other examples of this, but it doesn't really fit the meaning of categorization... but that's minor, and I'll live with it). Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 14:58, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Regarding that Canadian thing

Then I'll hold ANOTHER vote. The current scenario just doesn't work. I understand that in general the rule is to keep things the way they are. But nobody really voted on keeping things the way they are either. WhisperToMe 15:48, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

And one more thing. I moved it so it would be a "temporary arrangement". Later a permanent vote would be held to determine where it all would go in the future. WhisperToMe 16:09, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Actually, Bearcat, I've seen plenty of cases where a case is not reached, and a few months later, the same argument is proposed again. And it's been a few months, so it's 100% okay to propose again! Or I could change my request and simply ask for a retitling of that article. WhisperToMe 19:17, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Thunder Bay

Thank you for your message and for fixing it. - Darwinek 09:25, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Greater Sudbury flag

I've replaced the Greater Sudbury flag image you uploaded (Image:Gtsudburyflag.jpg) with an SVG version (Image:Greater Sudbury flag.svg). I've listed the original for deletion. Hope this is OK. –Mysid (talk) 13:41, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Seems like that can be dealt with by adding Header Format=Custom Flag to the beginning of the infobox, so you can use a full filename. –Mysid (talk) 07:54, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

You wheeeed on my talk page?

I agree that we need to monitor the user(s) in some way, and I agree that the edits are not of sufficient quality, but there must be a better way than simply tracking the user(s). I'll help you out for now, but we probably need a broader discussion, perhaps without reference to the IPs and users in question. We definitely need a better strategy.

By the way, there was a discussion on the mailing lists in mid-October about how to deal with users that exhibit signs of autism. If you're interested, read these (and follow the next message links too):

• Wikipedia and autism - start of thread
• Wikipedia and autism - fragmented from previous discussion
• Re: Wikipedia and autism - another fragmented thread
• Re: Wikipedia and autism and newpages/RC patrol and buckets of crap

There are plenty of good arguments there. Mindmatrix 19:55, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Saint-Lin

Ok, first of all, all I edited on Narcisse-Fortunat Belleau was to add a category :-p Now, as for Saint-Lin, This site clearly shows an em-dash. If anything, it should at least be a re-direct. --NDP logo Earl Andrew - talk 05:50, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

My thinking is they used a simplified version on their website. Fair enough. It seems to me the emdash is used for the same reason it is used in riding names. That's why I think it might be somewhat of an issue. The also use em-dashes for region names, which aren't used in Wikipedia [6][7], however Montreal borough names do have em-dashes in Wikipedia [8]. --NDP logo Earl Andrew - talk 06:03, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Alan Shefman

Bearcat, thanks for resubmitting, I'm kinda new to the wikipedia world... Ya, I won't post on the vfd page, you make a good point. In terms of who it was, I have a feeling it isn't Cooper. He really hasn't been that antagonistic at all. There are however a number of people, including one person who ran against Alan in the by-election who have been very militant against Alan and Susan, to the point that the RCMP is involved. There is also of course the gentlemen from the Race Relations Committee (see the article posted by the anon user at the top of the vfd page) who I wouldn't put beyond them either. It's probably the same person who floods the "electionprediction" web page. Anyways, i'll be watching it closely, thanks a lot for your help! pm_shef 17:38, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

pm_shef and bearcat, first I am not Josh Cooper and was not involved in his campaign infact I am a member of the liberal party and was involved in Mario Racco's campaign and Elinor Caplan's campaign. Even though I am a liberal I support non-biased opinions which both of you have displayed that your opinions are very biased. I am infavour of deleting Josh Cooper's article now as he is no longer a federal candidate. just between us there in no way that Alan Shefman's article is notable enough to stay posted. I could list literaly hundreds of Vaughan people that are more notable than Alan Shefman. Eyeonvaughan 5 November 2005

Christian radio stations in Canada

Thanks for making some touch-ups to the page that I started. It's a work in progress for me, but I plan on finishing everything on that page in the next few days (including making appropriate Wikilinks, looking up station frequencies, verifying that all information is correct, etc.). I'll get around to it.  :)

Backguy 19:58, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Pat Lowther

Hi, your article on Pat Lowther has been listed as a possible copyvio at Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2005 October 21. It could be delted, unless you have the permission to use the text or if you can substantially rewrite it and remove the offending paras. Thanks. --Pamri ^{• Talk • Reply} 03:18, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification and rewrite. I have removed it from that list. Of course, we didn't imply you did it intentionally and it just required a bit of rewrite to set that right. Thanks again. --Pamri ^{• Talk • Reply} 05:05, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Chris Buors

If you get a chance, could you look at the discussion on Talk:Chris Buors? CJCurrie 20:15, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Category vote request

Hi, thanks for supporting me on the eccentric category. I would really appreciate your comment or vote at Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Jewish_American_actors. There is a real problem with this category and similar ones as mixing ethnicity-nationality-profession in categories is in my opinion extremely bad for the category structure. The main reason for this is many people are being added to these xxx American categories for having one grandparent of that ethnicity, therefore they can be in four xxx American categories. If we allow the ethnicity-nationality-profession mix in categories, for example, for someone who has grandparents of four different ethnicities and two professions i.e. actor and director, they could end up in four xxx American actor categories and four xxx American director categories which in my opinion would make Wikipedia look ridiculous. In my opinion this category should be merged with Category:American actors. Thanks Arniep 21:20, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your support and comments on the Jewish American actor category. I found your reasoning interesting, what would be your opinion on whether these two categories Category:Jewish film directors, and Category:Jewish classical musicians (the latter which I created) are encyclopedic? Arniep 13:32, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Chris Buors update

I've restored the quote, and have given my reasons on the talk page. You may wish to add the Buors page to your watchlist if you haven't done so already, in the event that the three-revert rule prevents me from keeping my revisions in place. CJCurrie 03:24, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Another request: Could you make a brief statement verifying that you've read the contentious quote, as it appears the cached page? I'm concerned this page may vanish in the near future. CJCurrie 04:24, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Ontario maps

I notice you're the creator of a number of maps of Ontario, all apparently derived from a common source. Most, if not all, of them appear to have been uploaded without source information, and many of them have been deleted or are in danger of being deleted soon. If you could advise me as to the origins of the base map, I'd be happy to assist in preventing further deletions and resurrecting already-deleted maps. Thanks in advance. IceKarmaॐ 06:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

FRANK (mag) Forum

Bearcat, I was just reading the FRANK mag page and notice that you've edited it frequently. Did you ever post on the old FRANK Forum (as I did), as I'm trying to remember a regular poster's nick. He was purportedly from British Columnbia, was crazier than a bed bug but hilarious with a very strange writing style. I've been trying to remember this person's nick for months now and it's driving me crazy. User:Barry Wells, November 10, 2005.

Jewish film directors etc.

Hi, thanks for your response. I think an argument could be made that jewish people have been influential in the theatre and film, but was it because they were jewish? Definitely part of African American culture came from the suffering their forebears experienced in the slave trade and segregation etc. So could we argue that the suffering and discrimination that Jewish people have experienced has caused them and their descendents to have perhaps have a gift for humour, and creativeness? Arniep 20:18, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Canadian blogosphere vfd

Deletionists targeting Canada again. Canadian blogosphere vfd--Simon.Pole and Progressive Bloggers vfd 04:54, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

• Ever think of forking Wikipedia? The Italians, Germans etc. have the benefit of their own language to insulate themselves from the deletionists of other countries. I wonder if the Wikipedia foundation could set up national domains, where non-nationals have fewer delete privileges.--Simon.Pole 03:32, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
  • It looks like the GNAA is organizing a mass deletion of blog-related entries. (The information is at the bottom of the Prog Blog and Can. Blogosphere entries). The whole vfd is a farce and should be stopped.--Simon.Pole 10:41, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
    • The GNAA suprememo User:Timecop even has the entry on Iranian blogs on his list to delete. That is just pure and simple malice, if you're aware of how important blogs are in totalitarian places. These guys have to be squashed.--Simon.Pole 23:40, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
      • Thanks for bringing it to the attention of the "authorities." It looks like User:Skrewler and User:Timecop are working in tandem, with Skrewler proposing the deletes, and Timecop following up. This can be seen here. Skrewler was the one who originally put Proggressive Bloggers and the Canadian Blosophere into vfd.--Simon.Pole 03:49, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
        • User:Femmina is also part of the GNAA-directed "War on Blogs", according to her userpage. She's the second delete edit after Timecop in the vfd cited above. The admins have to do something about this before it gets out of hand.--Simon.Pole 11:05, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
          • How many times are you going to reply to yourself, sockpuppet? -- Femmina 02:38, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
            • In fact, if you look at Femmina's user contributions, starting on November 15th, you can track her systemically voting delete on about 15 blog-related entries in a row. Let's stop the madness now!--Simon.Pole 02:46, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
              • Another GNAA sockpuppet: User:Veew. Created only to delete blog entries, see Special:Contributions/Veew contributions.--Simon.Pole 12:19, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Detroit-Windsor

Thanks for clarifying; the few media sources I had were less than perfect on the full impact of what was agreed. Radagast 22:58, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Blog AfDs

Hi Bearcat, I see you are a fellow Canadian! Anyway, thanks for your comment, but I think you will agree with me that once an article is listed on AfD, it moves beyond the control of any group. I repeat my comment on the AfD: insofar as it helps to create consensus (which I think you will agree does not yet exist), who cares the provenance. And I am certain that you are not suggesting that by voting to delete I and other editors are somehow related to or supporting an offensive group like GNAA. On s'exprime, on laisse voir! C'est si simple. Cheers, Dottore So 12:10, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, I am not denying that they are meddling in the votes, but that their presence does not invalidate the value or usefulness of a consensus-determining set of votes on blogs generally. I am unclear what you are advocating: because GNAA members are voting other editors should abstain from the vote? Dottore So 12:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Bearcat: Once nominations are up on AfD, they are open to the community as a whole to vote on them. I doubt GNAA has enough clout to sway consensus against the community generally. As a result, I reiterate the provenance of the nomination is irrelevant since what matters is the outcome of the voting which, as can be clearly seen on the Canadian blog voting, is a matter of considerable interest. GNAA participation is, therefore, a canard in this case since the question of whether blogs generally merit entries is a debate worth having, regardless of the motivations of the nominators. IS GNAA offensive? Yes. Does that matter? Not really. Arguments for keeping the articles should be based on their individual merits. Dottore So 12:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

I just don't agree with your assessment. Notable articles do not get deleted through caprice. Hell by my (granted stringent, minoritarian) view for what should be kept, an amazing amount of unnotable stuff is prevented from being culled. As it is, plenty of the delete votes (see this AfD [9] for example) are from users with diverse edit histories, etc.... I respect the fact that you disagree with my delete votes, but I reject the implication that somehow these are not valid AfDs. If GNAA were simply blanking pages they don't like - that would be one thing. But this is not vandalism, this is putting up pages for community opinion. Dottore So 13:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

• Bearcat,

I have posted suggestions for determining the verifiability and notability of blogs at Wikipedia talk:Websites#Blogs. I welcome your input or anybody else's for that matter there. Capitalistroadster 09:48, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

Einar Örn Benediktsson

Hi. In this edit you edited Einar Örn Benediktsson, adding him to Category:LGBT musicians (a category that later became category:Gay musicians). Over at Talk:Einar Örn Benediktsson someone is questioning this categorisation, and we don't cite a source to back it up. Perhaps you'd care to comment on that talk page. Thanks. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 00:06, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Evidence Against Alexa

I'm not sure where to put this in the wiki pages, but I've seen your voice against Alexa in the vfd's. Here's an analysis from the Tech-Recipes website showing just how few people use Alexa. TR was diggdotted by the surging Digg website, but found none of the extra traffic showed up on Alexa. (Wired is calling Digg the "Slashdot-killer"--Simon.Pole 03:30, 18 November 2005 (UTC)